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Kennedy Shuts Down Lowly Phils Offense

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, April 26, 2011 12:04 AM | Comments: 58
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Steve Jeltz Award: Victorino/Howard

You know something is up when a West Coast game is over before midnight. Normally a launching pad, Chase Field was the site of a one-sided affair; one in which the Phillies once again gave zero output offensively. Cliff Lee was good, yet the Phillies lineup made Ian Kennedy look great in the Diamonbacks 4-0 win.

Lee again was not razor sharp, giving up two home runs on the night. His final line will show dominance in the strikeout category as he fanned 12 batters. His four runs on five hits and one walk paled in comparison to the show Kennedy put on.

Ian Kennedy – yes, Ian Kennedy – struck out 10 Phillies and tossed the first complete game shutout of his career. When you say the offense is struggling, you’d be making a gross understatement. This Phillies O is a dinghy with a giant hole in it. They can’t scoop the water out fast enough.

Kennedy looked like Greg Maddux for nine innings, allowing three hits and no walks. Only one batter, Placido Polanco, made it to second base.

For Arizona, the home runs came from Chris Young in the third and Gerrado Parra in the fifth. Xavier Nady also knocked in a run with an RBI single in the sixth inning.

Lee really only made those two mistakes on the night. They were miscues, however, that would prove costly.

Really, there are few words, if any, to describe this abominable showing from a lineup that was once the most feared in all of baseball. Working counts was not on the menu as the Phillies forced Kennedy into throwing just 114 pitches.

Before the game, Charlie Manuel got heated as he spoke about Jose Contreras, and his alleged misuse of the closer.  He may need to channel that energy into a team meeting. Their leader will need to provide a spark somewhere, somehow. If not, this could be 2010 all over again.

The best news of the night was the scoreless inning thrown by Mike Stutes, who was brought up to replace the injured Contreras. He looked excellent in his major league debut, striking out one.

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Tomorrow: Roy Oswalt vs. Daniel Hudson

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  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    kennedy is decent. Will be interesting to see what Daniel Hudson can do if the old man runs out the same line up. I dont know how he does it over and over. Id have to move Jimmy in the line up just because. Hitting 3rd isnt working.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Hudson has decent enough stuff but carries a 5.93 ERA and that park is playing like a bandbox. come on guys.

     
  • Posts: 530 Bruce

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    A brief comment on Ian Kennedy. When I saw that he was scheduled to pitch in tonight’s game, my gut reaction was that the Phillies offense will remain anemic against a very good pitcher with pinpoint control. I first saw him pitched in a game 4 years ago (2007) for the Trenton Thunder which is the AA farm club for the Yankees. He was very impressive and one of the top prospects (a first round choice) at the time.

    It looks like he finally settled into being a solid pitcher this year for Arizona. His record is now 3-1 and his ERA (4.02) is heading downward. He was the opening day starter and now has added his first complete start and a shutout to his blossoming career.

    I am worry about the Phillies in spite of their gaudy record (15-7) in which they were partly the beneficiary of a weaker opposition; 10 of their first 22 ames were played against teams that are currently in last place. To have TWO closers (Lidge & Contreras) on the DL and add Romero, a vital part of the bullpen as a situational lefty to the DL, will definitey hurt the team in the coming weeks. The Phillies’ elite pitching is obviously carrying this team. However, the lack of offense (besides the absence of Utley’s bat) will take its’ toll on the team. We can only hope players such as Ibanez, Francisco and Ruiz will begin hitting and pick each other up in support of the pitching.

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

      Agree with you on Kennedy. He is the real deal and a quality starter now and in the future but he came in with a 5.64 ERA and that park was playing like a bandbox. Was pretty unexcusable,

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    i dont know about this pinpoint control he was a little out of control here an there. I think our starters are thinking if i dont go out an pitch a shutout or a 1 run game we not going to win. The added pressure of that cant get them out of whack with that mentality. Gone are the days when we would be down 3 runs by the sixth an we would sit back an say theyll mount a come back on the 7th i feel.

     
  • Posts: 222 tavian

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    Our offense is in a sad place now. We have a couple of players who should help considerably in Utley and Brown when they get healthy. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
    Charlie needs to sit the nonproductive hitters down, and that means most assuredly Ibanez..
    He needs to intelligently platoon and get the most out of his bench, especially Gload, who is a good hitter. Small ball is eluding this team right now and we need get proficient at it to generate runs. Again, the onus rests on our management. We are not doing all we can do. Only Polanco seems to be immune to this slump. Slumps happen to all teams. This one scares me.

     
    • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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      Tavian, my friend I believe the onus is on everyone, not just management. Although it is true the top is where it starts, and trickles down from there, the hitters are just as responsible to earn their millions as anyone else. Not that platooning won’t help, I agree with that, I just think you could put these guys names in a yahtzee can right now, shake it and put any lineup you want out there, it’s not going to help them hit these pitchers who are simply not going to give us a steady diet of “Jonathan Broxton” style, straight up the middle FB’s to feast on. We simply MUST learn to hit the garbage guys. I’d hire Jamie Moyer while he recovers as an extra HITTING coach, to watch tape with these guys collectively and individually and explain what these pitchers are doing to us. We can win with good pitching, but with absolutely zero power in the 3 and 5 spots, it’s going to be a tough battle every night.

       
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    Rollins should be batting 10th. Lee is 2-2 with a 4.18 ERA. Glad we spent a billion dollars on him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    There isn’t one hitter in the Phillies lineup that I enjoy watching. I used to get excited when the Phillies came to bat. Now when they come to bat, I get that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach like when your girlfriend just broke up with you.

     
  • Posts: 0 JackRJ

    I don’t think that we can blame our offense that night. I mean, they’re really struggling in scoring runs but that was Ian Kennedy’s game of life. It was his best performance of his entire career. We need to give him some credit.

    I don’t think we will have a great offense this year. I expect a 95′ Braves season to us…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I wish I hadn’t posted this yesterday, “Ian Kennedy struck out 9 REDS earlier this year – and has the ability to shut teams down.. Phillies need to make sure they don’t feel too good about themselves beating the Padres, and keep the intensity up for a series that everyone knows they “should win””


    Hudson has a higher upside, but isn’t as polished as Kennedy yet …. The D’backs lineup ain’t too bad, with Young, Upton, Johnson, Drew, Montero .. and that sluuger, Parra. .. Tonight I’m feeling a win, the bats come out tonight

     
    • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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      Ah ha! So it was your fault! Don M putting his voodoo hex on the Phils.

      Even though he made one poor play in RF last night, I wouldn’t mind seeing Upton’s name in our lineup card. – That slugger Parra lol

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Ian Kennedy is actually really good… and could’ve been a 15+ game winner with a 3.80 ERA last year instead of just the 9-10 record he posted.

    He had NO DECISIONS with: 8ip, 2er … 7ip, 0er … 8ip, 0 er … multiple times with 6 ip, and 2 or 3 er …
    he got a LOSS with 7ip, 2 er …

    granted he got a few cheap wins too, but the talent is there, and Im not completely surprised that he handled the Phillies last night

     
  • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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    I’ve seen Kennedy pitch several times and always got that “Joe Blanton ” feeling about him, a pretty good hurler, nothing great but a major leaguer for sure.

    One of two things happened, either he had the game of his life, or we just enable pitchers to have the games of their life.

    We’re 15 and 8, I’ll take that- comes to about 115 and 47 at the end of the year. That won’t happen, but just pointing out, we’re in pretty good shape.

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Kennedy was pretty good tonight, but he wasn’t unhittable. He just looked that way. I can’t tell you how many 1-0, 0-1, 1-1 counts the Phillies swung on. They had no plan. Just go up there and hack.

    On Howard: I often wonder if he just stood there for every at-bat, would a pitcher throw 3 pitches over the plate? He might walk 200 times because pitchers don’t throw him anything.

     
    • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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      Interesting take on Howard. I think they give him a first pitch strike much of the time, after that “fugget about it”

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    When I think of the Phillies offense, I consider it to contain two pedigreed offensive players -Polanco and Howard. If you take you look at the last two games, its a perfect microcosm of what you get from Victorino – a brilliant inside the park home run on Sunday and a set of disgusting at bats last night. I hate it. Rollins – kinda the same thing.

    No consistent hitting. No premium placed on getting on base.

    Its unfair at this point to ask players to change. They are what they are. Shane is what he is and he’s all wrong for this team. He and Jimmy in the same lineup makes the lineup isone that is vulnerable to long cold streaks. Always been that way. Quite frankly, I’m sick of watching Shane.

    Raul is washed up. Plain and simple. Can he get hot for a month? Sure. But so can any player in MLB.

    This offense can go through spurts of offensive output. But more common are the fits of offensive malaise. Based on what I have seen this over the last two years and the beginning of this year, I think its time to change out a core offensive player or two.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Pat, thats probably true about Howard walking a ton . . . but then the boo-birds would come out in full force since he’s paid to hit and drive in runs – not to just get on base ..

    I

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Does anyone have a website that tracks each batters outs made . . . I feel like 90% of Ibanez’s at-bats result in a pulled, topped grounder to 2b

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I agree Pat. Most good power hitters have a pretty good idea of the strke zone…Pujols, Bonds, even Adam Dunn. They walk 100+ times a year. But not Howard. Even when he had a decent #5 hitter behind him, he still didn’t do it.

    I also agree with Dipsy. Time to make a trade and change out the core. Anyone but Chooch and Polanco is available.

     
  • Posts: 427 Publius

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    On the plus side, this is the worst the Phils will be this season. Once Chase comes back and Brown (hopefully) replaces Ibanez, then this will really be the team we thought we would see in February. The Phils are still in first even after this embarrasing offensive futility. As the schedule gets tougher, so too should the Phillies offense.

    That all being said, Raul needs to go as soon as Brown is ready. I don’t care if his power isn’t back 100%, Brown has to be better on both sides of the ball than Raul is.

     
  • Posts: 87 Dr. Dave

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    Ian Kennedy has great minor league statistics. What happened last night is a quality pitcher coming of age, meeting a team that is in a hitting slump. Kennedy has made 5 starts this season and IS the D-backs #1 starter. In start #3 vs StL, he lasted 3 innings and gave up 9 earned runs. He took one for the team.

    Other starts (IP – ER): 6-3, 8-1, 5.1-1, 9-0

    That translates to a 3-0 record in those 4 games with a 1.59 ERA. Obviously all 5 starts count and he currently has a 4.02 ERA with a 3-1 record.

    My point is that he is 26 years old and he is only getting better. Of course our pitiful offense was a big help last night.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Publius – Really? Lets take a look at the premises you rely on for a revived offense:

    1. “Once Chase comes back”. – Don’t know what he will be like when he comes back. I am encouraged by seeing him sprint, too. But he now has earned the moniker “injury prone”. I think that chances are that he will be in and out of the lineup all season rather than a solid contributor that we can really on.

    2. “Brown replaces Ibanez” – I’m for that, too. But remember, this is a guy that has not performed yet in the Bigs, had a horrible winter and got sent home, doesn’t have a set batting stance yet, and is coming back from a broken hand.

    I hope you are right but I think that solid offensive contribution is less likely than a muddling, trying to find their way, season. For both. My point: Don’t count on their presence bringing this offense to that worthy of a World Series contender.

    Shane’s got go. Less is more. Gimme Scott Posednick (the good Scott Posednick).

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 56 RatBastardNJ

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    I agree with some of the postings that argue that Ian Kennedy had a superb evening. I ended up watching the game on MLB TV (wish I lived in the broadcast area) and the Arizona announcers kept alluding to how Kennedy just became a first time dad on Sunday evening. I do think that kind of thing adds some karma and juice to his pitching. I also think that not having a day off in quite some time with all of the travel had to have something to do with the bats not doing well. They just looked out of focus with all of the hacking that was going on. I am not ready to sell off the offense just yet, well maybe Raul.

    I also do not agree that Lee just made a “couple of mistakes on a nice outing”. Seemed a lot of balls were hit hard with some nice defense behind him. I think that this game could have easily been the same as his outing against the Braves. Right now I would make him our 4th best starter but I am also not even close to being ready to call him a poor pick up.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The Phillies are tied for the best record in baseball . . . without their All-Star, #3 hitting, second basemen… without their #1 option, and their #2 option for a Closer …and people are starting already with comments about how we need to trade all but one or two players ????

    Now isn’t the time to trade anyone… until Brown is healthy and knocking on the door, forcing the Phillies to play him, Ibanez stays put … its still pretty clear that Mayberry isn’t ever going to realize his full potential..

    I said all year that Francisco needs to play since he can then slide to LF, with Brown in Right …. and as much as I am not a Shane Victorino fan (because I don’t think he’s a SMART player).. he does bring a ton of energy to the club, and when he’s on base, he cause problems, and opens holes for the guys behind him … regardless of his Gold Glove or whatever ratings.. he covers a lot of ground and gets to balls that not every CF can get – yea he sometimes makes it look harder than it needs to be, but there aren’t many guys i’d want to have over him defensively

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Don – “Ibanez stays put”? Could right now be vying for worst outfielder in the NL. Old. Slow. Can’t hit. He’s Manny Ramirez in the field and Eric Bruntlett at the plate. The guy’s not hitting his weight. I’ll gotta hand it to ya though Don, you do stick with your guys.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      Dipsy, you wisely forgot the main part of that quote – to help your stance … “until Brown is healthy and knocking on the door, forcing the Phillies to play him, Ibanez stays put ”

      Mayberry isn’t the answer over Ibanez . . . and for everyone all bent out of shape that Rollins only has 2 RBIs …. then shouldn’t you also be giving proprs to Ibanez for having 10 from the 6-hole

      Im not worried at all about Rollins, because Polanco has freakin 15 RBIs !!!! …which means that he’s been driving guys in and Rollins isn’t always getting the ducks-on-the-pond that a 3-hitter would see .. and there has also been multiple times in this small sample size of a season so far, where Rollins has driven balls to the gaps or corners and been robbed of both Extra Bases, and RBIs …

      It isn’t Rollins fault that he’s hitting 3rd right now, and while we’d love to see him step it up, that isn’t the role he’s had in his career, he’s hitting almost .260 (which is average).. scored 13 runs thus far … a .340 OBP … so people that care about his RBI right now are missing a lot

       
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    So when is it a good time to make a trade? When Ibanez is batting .228 in June or when Rollins has 11 RBI’s at the all star break? Change doesn’t have to be bad people. There is such a thing as good change. We all hoped our pitching would win every game for us, but when you feel the need to throw a shutout every night, it adds extra pressure. I’ve been saying this for years, but I still say we need a legit leadoff hitter. What’s wrong with Pierre?

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Is someone saying that we haven’t seen enough of some of these guys to be able to make an informed judgment about their value to the team?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    If this lasts another 2 weeks, I think you’ll see a move of some sort made. By then, we should know what’s going on with Brown and Ibanez will be given 2 more weeks to either shape up or ship out.

     
  • Posts: 193 bfo_33

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    At 15-7, I see no need for a panic trade. It has been a feast or famine offense for 3 years now, exaggerated a little more since Howard is the only deep threat. Last year, Utley or Werth would have hit a meaningless hr to avoid a shut-out, but it still would have been a loss. Howard looks like he is pressing, but he’ll settle down, re-find the strike zone.

    I don’t see a point in tweaking the line-up much. The only two guys who really have “natural” batting order positions are Polanco and Howard. The rest – you could probably put wherever and it wouldn’t make a lot of difference. Put the speed up front and go with the rest wherever.

    The only move I would make at this point is to sit Ibanez against lefties, suffer with the occasional droughts.

     
  • Posts: 971 betasigmadeltashag

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    Like ever year I am reminded why I 100% agree with what Jimmy said about band wagon fans. We are 20 games into the year and almost all of you whet to revamp the entire team, this team has never had a true lead off hitter and have not been that bad. This team has gone through worse slumps, Mets series last year. And all of you are so infaturated with Dom Brown, what has he done, I am not saying he is not going to be good, but he does not want to change his batting stance to help him hit major league pitching. He will not be a major contributor to this offense. There is a reason most trades and changes are made close to the trade deadline, because you have a better perspective of what the team is. Is this team going to lead the league in runs hr or avg or obp no. Will they lead the league in inning pitched wins and maybe era maybe. Wait let me look at the calander it is APRIL. Now saying all that, I do think you can change up the line up, I really think JRoll needs to lead off, and I really think you can throw some one else in the Three hole, even a guy like Mayberry or ben fran. I really think that the #3 hole hitter has more perdictable pitches, especially if Ryan is hitting. And I know he is in a terrible slump Raul has hit well in the 3 hole in his career. I really think dispite the fact he is not a typical lead off guy, I just think team responds better when Jimmy is leading off

     
  • Posts: 0 Joe

    All apples rot and stink in time. Then you throw them out and get fresh ones. Ka-bish??? This team is full of people who can’t determine whether a curve ball will drop out of the strike zone on to there foot tops or in the dirt….so they swing….and miss. When a fastball comes,they aren’t ready for it. It all boils down to being stupid. Will these guys get smarter as the season goes along??? Not likely. No Utley, no Lidge for an entire season,Howard has lost weight and power,now he is a singles hitter that makes 20mil. a year….warning tract power{maybe!!!!!!} Victorino is just plain dumb and has a little league swing that has never been worked on to improve to a line drive hitter{What a shame}. Rollins is burnt toast,thank the baseball gods that this is his last year here{who needs a. .210 hitting shortstop that can’t steal bases any more and can’t catch up to a fastball any better than a pop-up to short or left field. Ibaniez{no comment!!!!} PLEASE-PLEASE get rid of him….any one but him batting 5th or 6th…move Carlos Ruiz up to the 5 hole….or let him bat 3rd,He has earned the right to at least a chance at prime time ,after all,He hit over .300 last year,didn’t he???? Pitching is a wonderful part of baseball,very important,much needed in order to win championships,but we as Phillies Fans got spoiled by the monster that used to put dread and fear into all that faced our line-up,knowing that we were lurking in the weeds like a starving alligator that could pounce quickly with a 7 or 9 run inning at any time in the game{early-late,it didn’t matter,at home or on the road,it didn’t matter} I am afraid,Dear Fans,those days are history and they aren’t coming back any time soon—maybe never again. I waited 60yrs to witness such a beautiful sight—If you are reading this and you are say thirty something or in your 20′s, then you will be able to pass on to your grandchildren the 27Yankees of a Phillies team that played here for just 4 short years but did so much and made us feel so privileged to witness Rollins,Utley,Victorino,Howard,Werth,Burrell,Ruiz,Dobbs,Hamels,Lidge,Moyer,Rowan, and all the role players that made it such fun,to laugh like hell at the other fans who were clobbered by that Juggernaut,to KNOW we were the best and for everyone else to “Get the Hell out of the way” when we came to town………It all must end some day and that day is very very close at hand……..Long Live the 2008 Philadelphia Fightin’ Phillies….I’m glad “Harry ” got to see them.

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

      While joe is a little out there. I think he is only as bad (on the other side) as the kool aid drinkers who think they are the best team ever ever ever . The truth falls somewhere in between.
      Pat Burrell would look mighty nice in the middle of this line up.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Joe . . . you can’t say that Ruiz should bat 3rd, because he hit .300 before, at the same time your knocking Victorino for being dumb, with a little league swing . . . the guy led the Phillies in batting average I think in both 2008 and 2009 …all while playing great defense. .

    Rollins actually already has 4 steals this year … so if we’re doing “on-pace-for” … he’ll wind up with about 30 .. sounds good to me! .. Pretty sure just about every team in baseball would love to have Rollins, his solid defense, stolen bases, and big game experience …


    The Phillies’ days of scoring 7-8 runs per game are most likely over, but they decided to spend their money on Starting Pitchers who prevent the other team from scoring .. in the Playoffs, I think we’d all much rather have Oswalt and Lee, Francisco on our side.. than Happ, Myers, Werth ?? The reason they aren’t scoring all these runs is because they don’t need to.. they believe they can win the NL East, the National League, and the World Series with Pitching, Defense, and whatever runs they can get

     
  • Posts: 971 betasigmadeltashag

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    way to prove my point Joe

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Howard doesnt need to walk more. He needs to stop swining at unhittable pitches in the dirt. Then they will stop throwing them over and over again. Then he would get more pitches to hit.
    The team has real offensive issues that Utley who is no longer an all star 3 hitter (until he proves he is again) and Brown arent going to just make better in a week.

    Again I point out that Cliff Lee doesnt win the Giants series last year. Some rbis by the 3 and 4 hitters does that. Me? Id rather have 3 aces and Kendrick and blanton rounding out the staff and have a lights out reliever and 3 hole hitter. But this is the team you get. And its probably good enough to win the World series and should win the east relitively easily.

    They need to face teams like the Brewers and Reds and Yankees in the playoffs. Other pitching teams like the Giants are a huge obstacle for them. Because they do not hit and then the other teams really shut down the phils.

    It amuses me that other “fans” say when other people question the team or are critical they are bandwagoners or arent really good fans. Sorry I take a realistic aproach to things. You can think its still the best line up in the NL. Alot of the announcers for other teams still do. Sports is alot about reputation.

    As for a trade you wait till the Marlins are 3 games up and you still arent hitting. The longer you wait in the season the more teams fall out of contention and you get better deals.
    I do feel at some point a deal or 2 will have to be made. Maybe one of the “sacred cows” will be moved. And some of yuo will cry. But if it helps the team make the deal.

     
    • Posts: 147 Don M

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      I don’t think people are bringing up the Bandwagon comments because the Phillies don’t have the world’s best offense . . . but because “fans” are hitting the panic button and call for blowing up the roster, when we currently have Baseball’s best record .. If Ibanez continues not to hit, changes will be made and we all know that, etc.

      The Brewers, Reds, Yankees, etc.. all do have good staffs, but ours is better … We have a better staff than we did in 2008, than the Yankees did in 2009, and than the Giants did in 2010 … I would think the 2011 Phillies would beat the 2008 Phillies in a 7-game series, but that would involve impossible things that could only happen in Back To The Future

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

        considering that the 08 Phils won the world series and we dont know what the 11 team will do? I would favor the 08 team right now. But if the 11 team wins it all and is dominant in the playoffs that could change.

         
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

    Dipsy outside of your Victorino/Podesnik comment you are making alot of sense in this thread.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    We’re all passionate fans who want a winner! That’s something we all have in common on this blog. Just because we want to see the team do well, doesn’t mean we’re bandwagon fans. We may not always agree on how to get there, but we all want a championship!

    And Andrew, I’m not saying that Howard walking more would fix things. What I am saying is that he doesn’t have a good idea of what is a strike and what is not. If he did, he’d either get more good pitches to hit (as you say), or he’d walk. Heck, half the guys on this team don’t have any approach to hitting at all. They just go up and hack.

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

      You misunderstood I think. I think he should take more walks and work on pitch selection too. Howard is not one of the problems on this team. I wish he was more of the answer but I do not consider him a problem. He is a legit first baseman and 4 hitter in the majors. Right now most of our line up doesnt have legitimate ML players hitting in a line up where they should be hitting.

       
  • Posts: 147 Don M

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    There was a comment made like a week ago . . . not sure if I heard it on the radio, or read it somewhere. But it was about the fans, and the booing .. And it basically said, in Philadelphia we were raised to BOO a poor effort, not to boo a poor result . And that’s important and something that has been forgotten..

    So far this season, Myers, Werth, Dobbs … have all been booed. I just don’t get it. I’m fine with booing Wes Helms, Adam Eaton, etc … but the negativity at the ballpark and stuff is Can’t Miss … passion is a dangerous thing, and I feel like the new generation of Phillies fans doesn’t understand what their seeing .. Im not calling Dave, or anyone else bandwagon fans – but that ballpark is filled with drunk people who couldn’t tell you about the game they’re at .. but they’ll boo at the first chance they get.

    Problem is, we need all those fans to keep the park full, keep the money flowing, and these players on the field .. … People “have the right to boo, when they paid good money, etc..” … but realistically, the phillies aren’t going to win every night, and shouldn’t be booed for a losing result, as long as the effort is there ..and I can’t say a single player on the Phillies is lacking in the effort department so far this season

     
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    Thanks Don for bringing some much-needed rationality to the debate. No blowing up rosters in April or May. Perhaps we should be deeply concerned if were around .500… but we’re not. The team is winning which is all that matters in the end.

    Once Ibanez starts making solid contact again, I’d be happy to see Cholly move him to the 3-hole (against righties), where he excels every single time. J-roll up to leadoff. Shane moved down. That’s all. At this point, all we can –and should do– is change the lineup, platoon certain players, give Gload more at-bats… but that’s it. No need to drop/trade anybody yet.

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      Manny, do you honestly believe Raul has enough left in him to be a solid contributor in the 3-hole? I ask that as a serious quesiton, not as a snarky comment.

      I just don’t see it. He’s getting killed by lefites and righties alike. I wonder if Ben Fran would be better suited in the 3 spot. Maybe:

      Rollins
      Polly
      Francisco
      Howard
      Victorino
      Ibanez
      Ruiz
      Orr

      I think this Orr cat needs some more playing time. Love Valdez’s glove but he cannot hit.

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

        Love the optimism but the reality is they need to be looking at ways to get him out of the line up completely and or off the 25 man roster.
        He isnt here next year so it isnt about the future.

         
      • Posts: 1190 Manny

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        Agree with Orr getting more playing time. He also has a ton of speed which can be useful at the bottom of the order.. get on base, steal 2nd/get bunted over by the pitcher to 2nd or 3rd, score on a weak grounder… you get the idea.

        Regarding, Raul… He’s definitely not as bad as he looks right now. It’s hard to say that in the midst of the worst slump of his career, but he’s better than what he’s showing… and if he gets some better at-bats (eventually) moving him to the 3-hole might revitalize this lineup.. as it did not too long ago when Chase was down late last season. I have trouble believing that all of a sudden, less than half a year later, a guy who was hitting over .300 with some power is suddenly a sub.200 hitter.

         
  • Posts: 971 betasigmadeltashag

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    I am glad some of you get my point. It is not about caring to win, or how we want to see that come about, it is about making bold trade statements in APRIL. JRoll will hit around 260-270 and Raul will hit around the same eventually if not we will not know from twnety games of a season. The problem with Gload getting more at bats is the fact that he is worse in the outfield then Raul. And Ryan is a hitter that needs to play everyday. I would also agree with not having a day off an doiing a lot of traveling effects this team. I also saw Ryan seeing the ball better and recognizing pitches better the first two weeks and I think he is doing a better job the SD series being an exception, and you know what the guy last night had some nasty pitches.

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      In regards to caring, I think some actually do “care” more than others. One would think Raul would care more than a guy like Victorino because – A. he’s in the final year of his contract and maybe angling for one more year in the league, and B. is out to prove people he can still play.

      Maybe Victorino “cares” a little less, so to speak, than Raul because he just got his nice contract and has the stability and is a little more comfortable.

       
  • Posts: 222 tavian

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    One of the special qualities about this blog is simply this: We all care an awful lot about the Phils. We may get on others nerves, but come hell or high water, we will be passionate about the Phils. It is early in the year. I believe and hope that Rollins comes around, Victorino starts bunting a little more (as well as Rollins), Howard gets into a groove, Francisco becomes the next Jason Werth, Mayberry hits with more frequency and the bullpen positively opens our eyes to a new generation of stud relievers.

    But….. in my heart of hearts, I feel that Ibanez is just too old. Father Time caught up with him just as it did with Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Dave Winfield and other stud hitters.

    I will keep watching and rooting with passion for the Phils, and hope that if I get critical, some of our more sensitve bloggers realize that my heart is with them. I AM A PHILS FAN!!!

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from waldorf

      Thats what I am talking about. I take crap because I am brutally honest with my opinions and I am not emotinaly attached to individual players.
      And even the most disliked or uninformed fan has their right to thier opinion and is a fan.

       
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    I am of the opinion that Raul WILL bounce back and that Jimmy WILL have more than 10 RBIs at season’s end. I agree about Shane and am sick of seeing him go through all his gyrations to make a catch or swing the bat. Just give me someone who makes good solid contact and runs good routes in the outfield.

    All in all we’re 15-7, people. Not time to panic or jump ship.

    - – - – - – - – -

    As for the 08 vs 11 team debate …..I’ll take the 11 team. …. if I had to pick and there was no outcome realized from 2008. Just one roster vs the other.

     
    • Posts: 81 PhP54

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      Jimmy better have more than 10 RBIs by season’s end. He is on pace for about 20.

       
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Guys, there is an update on Dom Brown, too: http://ht.ly/4HvNE

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Dipsy you make sense except for the Victorino comment. I think of all the Phils he is the one trying the hardest probably to hard, wants to do too much. This whole offense except for Polanco is streaky. Polanco was bought in too balance out the streakiness of our players. Unfortunately one hitter hitting singles isnt quite enough if the whole entire team is in a slump. Ibanez looks like he is done at this point. I would have to sit him down for Mayberry. I know Mayberry isnt the answer but i think he can do better than .185 batting average. After sitting Ibanez down for 6 or 7 games I would give him another chance. If he fails to get on track i think he needs to be cut.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Someone should go look at Scott Podsednik’s stats during the good years. Don’t need to tear up the roster after a month? Well, this month makes it two years…and a month…that we’ve been seeing the same crap. So much for fresh starts. Victorino tries really hard. But he’s a bonehead, quite frankly. Need a guy with a different skill set. Gimme Brett Butler. I don’t need homers or RBI’s. Just a guy that can work some AB’s and get on base. A guy with a .370 OBP scores more runs than a guy with a .325 OBP with 40 steals.

    Beware of a three game hitting tear- then everyone says “hey, they’re finally hitting”- then…10 more games of nothing. Lather, rinse, repeat. This is not a slumping offense, its merely our offense.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      Victorino must have been told somewhere along the line that homers make you more money, because thats seemingly his approach. Shame, because he’d make a perfect Podsednik-type guy. Except, he makes more than Scotty.

      There was a game against Derek Lowe and the Braves a few weeks ago when Victorino was that guy. He fought off pitches, went the other way, took what was given to him, didn’t try and do too much. He had a stellar game. Thats the only one I can recall where he truly was inspiring with the bat. If he’s not getting on base, then what good is he at the top, really?

       
      • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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        That’s the perfect reason to change the lineup to the one you proposed earlier. Personally I don’t like my players dictating to the manager/coach what they’re going to do, but sometimes you have to check your ego, and make the best use of who you have I guess.

        I know some don’t even like the phrase, but i think Howard needs more “protection” than zero home runs from the 5 hole so far this year. Since we seem to lack that, why not protect with a strong contact hitter that drives in runs. I know this is a not traditional but -
        S-Rollins
        S-Victorino- his spot for 2008 WFC
        R-Francisco
        L-Howard
        R-POLANCO
        L/R- Ibanez/Mayberry
        R-Chooch
        R/L- Valdez/Orr

         
 
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