Daily Debate: Pence for Cosart & Co.?

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, July 13, 2011 06:07 PM | Comments: 10
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Today, we discuss the possibility of the Phillies getting their hands on Houston Astros outfielder Hunter Pence. They would likely have to part with one of their best prospects, Jarred Cosart, among several others.

Is this a trade you would do? Listen in to the arguments made by both sides and lets us know what you conclude in the comment section below.

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  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf


  • Posts: 0 Dan

    I do not think that the Phillies should trade Cossart, but I do think that they should try and acquire Pence. Since the Phils have an abundance of young arms in Cosart, Worely, Colvin, May, Pettibone, and Biddle, a combination of two of those pitchers (in my opinion, Pettibone and Colvin) in addition to Mayberry (to replace Pence) and a lower end prospect like Savery, Aumont, or J.C. Rameriez should be enough to get Pence.

    Ruben is a smart guy. He was able to acquire three top tier pitchers without trading Brown. I have absolute faith in him to acquire any necessary pieces without jeopardizing our future. Besides, Ed Wade does not exactly get the players he wants from trades with the Phillies. I mean, look at who he received in the two trades. The best player he got was Bourn, who is a great player and All-Star. The rest haven’t lived up to expectations. Happ has, unfortunately, lost his 2009 form and has lost 10 games this year. Wade has traded away Gose, Costanzo, and Taylor, not of them are performing exceptionally well. Villar isn’t playing well and Geary is no longer in baseball. However, these past trades could be a bad omen as Wade might insist on Cossart instead of a more substantial offer.

    Point is, based on previous history, I believe that Ruben can acquire Pence without trading Cossart. He is the best arm in our system and has a filthy change-up that rivals Hamels’ or Madson’s. Ruben already traded our best arm once (Dyrabek). I doubt he wants to do it again.

  • Posts: 0 PhxPhilly

    Sorry I did not listen to the debate. I am just not a big fan of Pence. I also do not think that Cosart is untouchable as he still has a long way to go.
    Also for this season I do not see Ibanez being benched and do not think Brown should be a part-time player unless there is an injury. (Obvious if Pence is obtained either Ibanez is benched or Brown is demoted.)

    • Posts: 566 Bruce

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      Which is why I don’t think Amaro is going deep into his farm prospects for some RH hitter to warm the bench. At best, his main concern is adding bullpen strength unless you think the likes of Baez and Herndon are reliably consistent in middle and long relief.

      Ibanez is playing well (2nd in HRs and RBIs on the team) and Brown is getting more at bats against lefties which suggest Manuel intends to keep him in the lineup on a daily basis. And Mayberry may or may not be with the team once Victorino returns. However, Mayberry’s clutch hitting of late is making it difficult for Manuel’s decision. It may very well be that Mayberry will be that RH bat coming off the bench.

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Biddle isnt worth much as a trade way to early in his career. Possibly next year..

  • Posts: 0 stop2think

    Absolutely. Cosart is just that, a prospect. The Phillies window for winning a WS is closing with the aging Rollins, Howard, Ruiz, and Utley. Now is the time. Pence would give Howard the protection he needs (though all a pitcher has to do is throw a breaking ball his way and he will swing and miss). Nonetheless, it would be a great deal. I love Ibanez but he is killing the Phillies. And to me, Brown is more heat than fire.

  • Posts: 0 Mark

    Phillies have the best record in baseball and the best odds to win the World Series. Getting Hunter Pence increases those odds marginally. Why give up your best pitching prospect for that? Their playoff chances were much worse last year when they traded for Oswalt and that trade didn’t require giving up a top 3 prospect.

  • Posts: 0 Lefty

    Sometimes I like to look at things from the opposite perspective. If I were Ed Wade, I wouldn’t even take calls from RAJ. I would not respond to email, faceboook, texts, twitter, nothing.

    I simply would not trade Hunter Pence to him or anyone else for that matter.

  • Posts: 87 Dr. Dave

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    I believe we need to look to Kansas City. They are in a youth movement and have recently brought up Mike Moustakas to play 3B. Wilson Betemit (the former #1 prospect of the Braves), a switch hitter can play all the IF positions and could play LF. With Polanco on the DL, he would be a valuable addition.

    Betemit hit .297 .378 .511 last year. Currently .285 .345 .415 and not playing much. Could get him cheap.

  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    I’d trade for Pence. Now really is the time for us to go all the way. Cosart is an outstanding prospect, but he is just a prospect. We need to try to win today, now.

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