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Phillies Drop One To Giants

Posted by Jonathan Nisula, Wed, July 27, 2011 10:49 PM | Comments: 49
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In a game that featured the same pitching matchup as Game 3 of last year’s NLCS, the end result was the same. Much like that NLCS game, the Phillies faced Matt Cain for the first 7 innings, Javier Lopez in the 8th, and Brian Wilson in the 9th. In those two games, Cain, Lopez, and Wilson combined for 18 IP/7 H/1 R/o ER/4 BB/8 K. Talk about a formula that works.

The game was scoreless until the top of the 3rd when the Giants pushed across a run on a triple by Aaron Rowand. Both offenses were quiet after that until the 7th, when Hamels got into a jam. A leadoff double followed by a walk and an RBI double by Nate Schierholtz gave the Giants a 2-0 lead and prompted a mound visit. Following the visit, Hamels plunked Eli Whiteside on the 2nd pitch to load the bases. Luckily, the pitcher Cain was the next batter, and Hamels quickly induced a pop-up to Chase Utley for the first out of the inning. Five pitches later, Hamels got Rowand to ground into a 6-4-3 double play to end the inning with just one run surrendered.

The bottom of the 7th featured a “wacky” play as Chris “Muff” Wheeler would say. Shane Victorino popped-up a few feet down the first base line, and after a Cain-Whiteside mini collision, the ball somehow found its way to the backstop, allowing Victorino to take 2nd. After an Ibanez pop-up, Domonic Brown came through with a single off the glove of Huff and into right field, scoring Victorino with ease.

Hamels came out to pitch the 8th, but did not finish the inning. He recorded two outs on eight pitches, but a Huff double would signify the end of Hamels’ night. In came Brad Lidge, who walked the first batter he saw. He kept his cool, striking out Cody Ross on an 89mph fastball.

Much like the bottom of the 7th, the bottom of the 8th started off with an odd play. At first, it looked like Ross Gload had lined out to center. However, this was not the case, as Whiteside was called for catcher’s interference, which awarded Gload first base. The next play killed the inning. Jimmy Rollins bunted, and the Giants got the out at 2nd. It did as much help as a strikeout. After Michael Martinez flew out to right, Rollins swiped 2nd during Chase Utley’s at-bat. It proved to be meaningless, as Utley went on to fly out to center.

Antonio Bastardo breezed through the 9th, setting up a re-match of Wilson vs. Howard to start the bottom of the 9th. Wilson bested Howard again, getting him to fly out to left. The rest of the inning was easy for Wilson, as he induced groundouts to Victorino and Ibanez to secure his 32nd save of the year.

The two teams meet again tomorrow at 7:05, with the newly acquired Carlos Beltran likely playing for the Giants.

Oswalt Stretches Out In First Rehab Start

PHILADELPHIA — Phillies starting pitcher Roy Oswalt pitched four innings in a rehab start Wednesday night, allowing one earned run, one hit and two walks and striking out four for Triple-A Lehigh Valley.

He threw 72 pitches. The Phillies had wanted him to throw 60 pitches but would concede more if Oswalt felt healthy enough to continue. He had hoped to only need one rehab start before rejoining the Major League rotation, but the Phillies want him completely stretched out before doing so. Expect Oswalt to need another rehab appearance.

It was his first start since going on the disabled list June 24 with lower back inflammation and two bulging disks. Oswalt last pitched for the Phillies on June 23, when he allowed four earned runs in two innings at St. Louis. — By Nate Mink / MLB.com

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  • Posts: 0 Frank Riccard

    Pat the Bat supposedly to be released by the Giants.

    Hey RAJ, do him a solid and bring him home on a minor league contract?

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      He could be this year’s Matt Stairs!

       
  • Posts: 64 bacardi

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    As i said in other posts if the Giants or Even the Braves get a lead on us going into the 7th we are in deep feces. Come the playoffs.

     
  • Posts: 0 Troutman

    Anyone still believe the Phils are the odds on favor to make the WS? Last night’s game is just a preview of things to come in the playoffs. They will lose a bunch of 2-1, 3-2 type games and won’t sniff the WS. Whether it’s the Giants or the Braves, the Phils will get knocked out of the playoffs unless a change is made. This lineup tends to have games like last night’s. Unfortunately, it will bite them in the ass if something isn’t done.

     
    • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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      Wait – I think I hear the whambulance.

      Yup

      Sheesh – you lose a 2-1 game to Matt Kain and the reigning WS Champs and you’re ready to shoot yourself.

      Yeah – they’re not exactly the 1927 Yankees but – besides the Roid Sux – who is?

      Personally – I’d rather see a little more discipline at the plate from certain people.

      And Brown remains a work in progress. And I’d rather see Mayberry in left every day. Yeah – we got holes, as do most clubs. Pitching solid, defense solid, could use a little more timely hitting…..

      Chill

       
  • Posts: 161 therookie300

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    I think if we get that same lead on either of those teams, they are in the same amount of trouble. Our bullpen has been getting it done just as effectively if not more so. Do I even have to mention our starting pitching?
    The change that has to get made is the philosophy. If we are having trouble scoring runs (which has happened a lot this year) then we have to small ball it to scrape some runs together. I think the Phils have more shutdown pitching than either the Braves or Giants.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    There will be a change, Troutman. Not to worry. Players WANT to come here and if the right deal is structured I would imagine either Carlos Quentin or Hunter Pence will be wearing a hat with a big “P” on it by the end of the weekend. RAJ will get his man and I believe that is Pence. Anything said to the contrary by the Astros is just posturing at this point.

     
  • Posts: 0 Troutman

    Rookie…couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately, Cholly just doesn’t believe in small ball. They don’t practice it alot (as evidenced by Rollins’ pathetic bunt last night) and they don’t try to employ it in games. Cholly’s blind eye to this will hurt them down the road.

    Chuck…I hope you’re right. Pence would like very nice in the OF. Don’t know much about Quentin and what he brings to the table.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I just hope that Pence in right is not an excuse to keep Ibanez in lF.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Alexander marino

    Once again hamels pitches very well but gets the lose. Gives up 2 runs in 7 innings but the offense didnt show up, like it normally doesnt when hamels is pitching.

     
  • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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    Why Dipsy? You like the way Brown catches the ball better? I’m sick of Brown’s +/- always being equal or negative because of his bonehead play in the field. He drove in a run and allowed a run. Net Zero

    At least every now and then Ibanez makes a spectacular catch or hits one out.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      Raul will end the year with 20 or more bombs and around 80 or so RBI.. Maybe more. And……he DOES make some damn good plays out there. Like I’ve been saying….considering his God-awful start, those numbers ain’t too shabby.

      So, yeah…..I would DEFINITELY get rid of him…

       
      • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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        His has two problems.

        His splits home and away. He has been pretty awful away (except Nat’s Park for some reason, he likes it there.) If he could just play every game at CBP he’d hit 40 , and 110.

        And you have to admit Chuck, he’s lost his arm.

        He’ll always be one of my favorite people among players, but he’s not the player he once was. But- At this point- He’s still more productive than Brown.

         
  • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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    So the latest is – It looks more and more like Carlos Quentin is our guy now. I said it yesterday and had a feeling all along for no particular reason, just a hunch.

    Remember a couple years ago, when Ruben wanted Halladay at the deadline, but couldn’t pull it off, so he got Lee instead. That worked out very well for us, this could too.

    And maybe he goes after Pence in the offseason, like he did Halladay back then.

     
  • Posts: 993 betasigmadeltashag

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    A few things I know it is what we do, but why do we have read so much into one game, The Phillies tried to play small ball and it cost them, it is one thing for JRoll to go up and try to drag a bunt for a possible hit and worse case simply move the runner it is another for one of your most clutch hitters to simply sacrifice in that situation. And the Love fest for Brown continues, he had a bad hope single that scored a run, he gets pitches to hit and fouls them off, he is simply not ready for the Major league, if this was any other team you keep him up and let him work it our, but this is a WS contending team, Mayberry deserves to get to play for a week or two to see if he can continue to crush the ball like he has since coming back up. Just like Woorley complete game how many strike out did the phillies have last night, I do not remember many. Some times you can not go by the score there were a few hard hit balls at people it is still just one game in July, I do not see Brown in RF during any serious playoff game, he needs to work on his defense, be moved to left field next year when Raul retires and get his swing straightened out shorter and hands down more. You can not trade Worley, but if the Stros want brown and one or two middle prospects for Pence I would do it in a heartbeat,

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Lefty, I agree with all you said about Raul. Still…there is no reason to DFA him at this point. Which is what Dipsy is advocating.

    I’d rather have Pence.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      ^ should have said and what I meant was I’d rather have Pence than Quentin.

       
      • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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        LOL- I understood

         
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    If we get Pence, then we would probably have a Brown/Mayberry platoon in LF, which would be great. Even though Brown can’t field, he can field better than Raul, and JMJr. is a very good fielder. Plus your offense would really out of the position would really improve.. If that happens, why would you keep Raul? He can’t be a full time pinch hitter, a defensive replacement, nor can he play another position. He would be taking up a roster and offering nothing. Hard thing to do to a great guy. He still gets paid, though.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      If we get Pence, Brown becomes an Astro.

       
      • Posts: 993 betasigmadeltashag

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        face Dipsy your love affair with Dom Brown shoud soon be over, at this point Raul is a better fielder because he knows what he can do, and does not turn singles in to doubles or triples and he gets to most balls he should get too. Rual is going to be in left field until the end of this season, if they get Pence Brown would be in that trade, and if not should be sent back to AAA to work change his swing slighlty and improve his defense, out field of Vic Pence Rual with Rual getting more time off against lefties and on the road to get JMJ his at bats. Your total blindness to just how not ready Brown his and hatred for Raul is getting grueling. A average to maybe slightly below average LF with 20 HR and 80 RBIs may not be worth what he is getting paid(which I disagree with myself he has earned his money) And you can throw all the WAR and other sabermentric trash at me about his fielding, but he has hit the ball hard for about a ;month straight now, and Charlie is not going to bench him against most RH pitching. Brown maybe a superstar in the future but only if he changes his atitude about listening to the men who are paid to make him better, and start playing conservativly in the field until he can learn to run a route to the ball

         
  • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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    Personally I think anyone hoping for a deal for Pence is setting themselves up for a huge disappointment.

    I try to look at it from both sides. Say you are Ed Wade and have a fan base to please despite your horrible record. In that situation, you are selling them hope for a bright future, it’s all you have to sell!

    So you have to have two things to work with, bright prospects and building blocks. Michael Bourne and Hunter Pence are your building blocks. I mean you have a few other guys Bourgeios, and then there’s Escalona on the pitching side; a few others, but the point is your building blocks are Pence and Bourne.

    If you trade Pence, for anything but equal value-meaning a building block- not a prospect, then you are building a team around Michael Bourne?? I mean he’s good but, really?

    I think Pence’ name went out to see what the league would offer, with no intent of letting him go for anything less than a low to mid twenties Jason Heyward type, and prospects. Now who do we have to trade them, Dominic Brown? Decent batter, not great, powerful, but doesn’t listen to coaching. Athletic as all get up, yet for some reason after all these years he can’t field his position. So why would he take that deal if you are Ed Wade?

    Sorry the whole thing does not make sense to me from their perspective.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I think Worley goes.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Lefty, Ed Wade would take that deal for the same reason that the Phillies are hesitant to trade Brown…..the POSSIBILITY of him blossoming into this incredible 5-tool player.

     
    • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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      Exactly, If Brown gives you the possibility of blossoming, he is a prospect, not a building block. Hunter Pence performs now. My feeling (maybe right maybe wrong), is that Hunter Pence does not get traded for a prospect alone.

       
      • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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        Pence is what 28? The Stros are YEARS away from making any noise. So, Pence for a 20 year old Singleton and 23 yr old Brown I think makes more sense for them. I would hate to see Brown go but………..gotta do what you gotta do.

         
      • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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        Phillistein we usually agree, and you make a reasonable point. But trading their most popular player and telling the fan base to wait three more years is going to get Wade fired.

         
      • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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        Hey Lefty – I think Wade is toast anyway. New ownership and they’re going to want to make a clean break from the past. Some say Wade’s hands were tied by the previous owners and can’t be held responsible for the woeful state of the team. Others, like me, think Wade is just being Wade.

        He’s no GM IMHO. Director of scouting maybe – but no GM. Besides, new ownership gets a honeymoon period – they can do whatever they want………….sorta.

         
      • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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        All true and reasonable, I didn’t think of it in that way.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    I also think that Worley goes for Pence. I like Worley but he does not have great stuff and I think it is only a matter of time for the league to figure out his delivery. At his last game, I was there, there was not one swing and miss. There were a lot of balls caught on the warning track. He is going to get hit around soon enough. Right now he is at the peak of his value and therefore should be traded especially since with Oswalt coming back he will not start in the playoffs.

     
  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    I really do not think the Phils will make any significant trades this year. I think we’ll probably pick up Pat Burrell to platoon with Ibanez, but that is it. Get used to it, fans. We will play with what we have win, lose or draw. We are not going to deplete our minors this year.

     
    • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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      I disgree. That “stand pat” mentality is straight from the Ed Wade years.

      Remember those years – when we were thisclose but Ed never traded for the help he needed?

      (Rumor going around is that they transplanted Wade’s brain into a bird – and it flew backwards into a tree)

      The meek shall inherit the earth – everyone else needs to plug the obvious hole(s) to make it happen.

       
  • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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    Let me ask this-
    Would you trade Worley, Brown and a couple prospects, maybe one of the baby aces for Pence. Because I think that would be the price, if Wade is really considering trading him at all.

    IMO- The price is too high, and if Amaro pulls off that deal for anything less he’s a genius with lots of burned bridges. Better guarantee to hire Ed Wade back at a later date as part of the deal.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Sox and Stros pulled there players. We are staying as is. Send brown down.

     
  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    The price of Pence is too, too high. I agree Lefty. I would go after Melky Cabrera, whose numbers this year are similar to Pence’s. Plus he is younger with more post-season experience. He is a switch hitter who plays ALL outfield positions well. I believe we could get him from KC for a couple of minor league pitchers and not necessarily our best ones.
    Also, we could throw in Ben Francisco for good measure.

     
    • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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      Did you say Melky Cabrera? UH……………did you see what he did for the Braves? Cabrera is the answer if you’re the KC Royals or Pods.

      I’ll pass thanks.

      (Besides, he’s a bit of a head case. The Yanks traded him because he wasn’t a great influence on Cano. It’s no accident that Cano has put up the numbers he has since Cabrera left.)

      Please RAJ……………..NO Melky!!!

       
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I do not believe that Hunter Pence is not available. If he wasn’t then you would not have the Phillies trying so hard to get him and the Braves checking in yesterday. I just think that the Astros are not going to do it unless we throw in Domonic Brown. I think all this talk about Pence’s importance to the Astros have been for show to try to get more value out of him. If the new Astros owner wants to lower salary I don’t think he will like an arbitration eligible Pence next two years.

    If the Phils start a trade around Domonic Brown I think a deal gets done. At this point I would rather trade him than Worley anyway.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Lefty, no… not Worley AND Brown. If this deal happens it will be one OR the other. But I can’t see….nor do I advocate both.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    We didn’t trade Brown for freaking Roy Halladay… And now people think we should trade him for Hunter Pence!? He’s a very good player, but by no means a star. He’s comparable to Werth and he’s had luck on his side this season. I know fans are now somewhat down on Brown because of his lackluster performance, but the front office held on to him for a reason. I doubt that Brown’s less than half-a-season results would change their minds so dramatically to the point where they would now trade him for a good, but not elite player.

     
  • Posts: 64 bacardi

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    I think i would rather take Melky than Quentin an he might come cheaper as far as prospects are concerned if they cant get Pence. If we face the Braves an Giants in the playoff the series might come down to who can manufacture a run here an there. The Phils unfortunately arent the greatest in that category.

     
  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    It’s Melky Cabrera. Get used to it. Embrace it. We ARE NOT doing any more than that. Teams are boycotting Amaro’s aggressive posturing. They want a kings ransome for any trade they make with the Phils. Bad public relations prevail in Amaro’s dealings. Sad and unfortunate, but true. He is considered to be “too clever” by a lot of the key figures.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      “Boycotting Amaro’s aggressive posturing” So how come we landed Lee in ’09, Halladay later that year, Oswalt last year and Lee AGAIN this past offseason. Seems to me like Amaro’s “posturing” paid off.

       
    • Posts: 36 Phillistein

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      ?

      Where, if I may ask, do you get this stuff?

       
  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    Exactly. Amaro is a very bright and talented GM. He pulled off some coup de theatre trades for some great players. The price he is paying now is a recent turn of events for him. We are making solid offers. Do not underestimate the politics between these general managers. With the Lee deal, no matter why it occurred, pissed off some high-powered execs in Texas and New York. They have their network of friends. And Ed Wade, as much as we realize that he is challenged in his position as a GM, has been around baseball a long time and has lots of friends. These guys talk, have opinions and share them among themselves. Do you think these guys want to see the Phils win AGAIN ????

     
  • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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    I think Bart could be right. Even if it is not true that you have swindled others, but it’s been perceived that way by those around your profession, the word spreads fast and you can become poison. Throw our success on top of that, I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility at all.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Wait. Let me get this straight. Because Ruben Amaro, Jr. has made some great deals in the past 2 years that have helped bring some success to this frranchise..

    ….and the fact that he’s not pulled anything off…..YET

    We are now supposed to think that there’s some sort of conspiracy against him?? Really??

    bart, he’s “made solid offers”, yes he has. But maybe they haven’t been solid enough to this point. Still 3 days to go….which is a lot of time for a lot of teams to do something. I would imagine that by 4PM Sunday, the Phillies will have made a major move. Either a bat or a reliever …. or both.

     
  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    Hope you are right Chuck. I just wanted to put my two cents in regarding what I think is happening. Hope I do not offend anyone. I in no way feel that Amaro is a sleaze, but a shrewd businessman and an outstanding general manager. I just think that some general managers may be jealous of his recent successful trades and moves and feel that they do not want to enhance his/our team’s potential success by trading with the Phils.

    I feel that Ruben has indeed made solid offers and the fact that he has nothing to show for these offers tells me that something “personal’ may be happening. The Giants got Beltran for what I feel is less than what we offered.

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    This place is nuts… first, everyone says no way you move Brown or Worley and then it was one of Brown or Worley and now it’s trade Brown AND Worley. It is absolutely AMAZING how quickly sentiment changes with every win or loss.

    The Giants as a team have an OPS of .666… that is brutal. They have scored 70 fewer runs than the Phillies. Compare the pitching staffs… Lincecum, Cain, Vogelsong and Bumgarner or Halladay, Lee, Hamels and Oswalt/Worley. Who would you rather have?

    Yes, we don’t hit good pitching but nobody does. The Giants needed a bat so badly that they were willing to send away their top pitching prospect; does Carlos Beltran going to make them an offensive juggernaut? Plug him into the cleanup spot and they’ve still got no one to bat in the 5 hole… it’s either Aubrey Huff, Jeff Keppinger or Nate Scheirholtz… that’s laughable. If we are better than the Giants (which we are) and they’re the most logical threat to our chances of making it to a World Series (which they probably are), then why are we freaking out?

     
  • Posts: 0 Betsy

    Hallelujah! I needed this—you’re my saoivr.

     
 
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