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Phillies Trade Rumors Thursday: Adams, Ludwick

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, July 28, 2011 02:47 PM | Comments: 61
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-According to Jayson Stark of ESPN.com, the Phillies have narrowed their focus on both Mike Adams and Ryan Ludwick of the San Diego Padres after missing out on Carlos Beltran, who heads to the Giants. He will be in the lineup tonight, by the way, for San Francisco.

Carlos Quentin is an option if the Sox wanna sell. (PHOTO: AP)

I’m not a big fan of Ludwick, as I’ve stated here previously. And you know that getting both Ludwick and Adams will be quite expensive. Adams has been ridiculous out of the bullpen this season and would automatically push the Phillies bullpen into a new stratosphere. He’s also under control for another year, so if Ryan Madson were to leave, he could close.

Is anyone against pillaging the farm system for a mediocre bat and a relief pitcher?

-The Phillies reportedly were thinking of offering up Domonic Brown in a move for Hunter Pence after being shot down with another deal. The other trade offer was Jonathan Singleton, Jarred Cosart, and another mid-level prospect.

Too much for Pence? Not enough? Do you trade Brown and more for Pence? Houston doesn’t REALLY need to deal him but they are under pressure to shed some payroll. It looks like the Phillies are stepping back at this time.

-The other guy out there is Carlos Quentin. I’m a fan of his, although his defense is suspect, but I know there is differing opinion on him coming to Philadelphia.

Where do you stand on Quentin? He’s putting up solid numbers with the White Sox (.262, 20 HR, 62 RBI), but also struggles against lefties. He’s a .222 hitter against left-handed pitching, but this year that number is up to .275 in just under 100 at-bats (small sample-size alert).

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  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Why would anyone want ludwick hes 32 and mediocre is a kind statement.

    The Mets sent Beltran to the Giants to screw the phillies. Another reason to hate the MEts and Beltran and the Giants.
    But the Phillies have to make the move now to answer it. This is about winning the world series. It is enough to overcome that your clean up hitter is hitting .188 on 3-1 counts.
    I dont know that the phillies could beat the Giants in a 7 game series ( they didnt last year) if the Giants didnt have Beltran. Having him greatly improves the Giants.

    The move is simple. Its Pence and and yes Brown is in that deal and at this point throw in Worley. And possibly another prospect.

    He is young (28) and most importantly he is a gamer. Add him with Ruiz, Utley and Victorino and thats 4 gamers in the line up. I like that.

    Also Brown is not capable of playing right on a major league level at this point. Last nights loss pointed that out. Can the Phillies afford to have a bad RF and LF and win a world series?
    Make a deal for Pence and you pay high.

     
    • Posts: 0 John L

      This Waldorf Salad post is really dumb and illustrates how ignorant people are of Pence and Brown. Stop being so lazy. Check the splits. For Pence, you’ll notice that if you take away April and May, he’s only hit 3 HR’s this season. Look at what he’s done in July. He’s falling like a rock. Now, still in his splits, look what this supposed big RH bat does against LH pitching. Hunter sucks against lefties!! OH THAT DOESN’T MATTER?? I thought that was why Charlie wanted a big RH masher.
      His defense is overrated. Just Sunday he blew a pop-fly in the sun that landed 15 feet behind him. He apologized to his teammates and the fans for losing the game. Pence is clumsy in the field. In the same game, he made a diving catch that Werth, Mayberry, or Brown would have made a running catch at the knees. Hunter dived flopped and rolled.
      GGreGreat

      Dom Brown is batting .317 in July. Surprise surprise, he’s hit .290 against LH pitchingso far this season.
      OK, he made a sloppy play in the OF last night.

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        Over rated like Shane in center? It wasnt the first mistake made by Brown in right and wont be the last.

        Nice to see you are smarter than the Astros and phillies management. As the Phillies would trade Brown for Pence straight up but the Astros said no thank you.

        Thanks beating off the laziness. Which team do you GM for?

         
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        Just for the record Pence has a career .828 OPs vs lefties.
        Ryan K Howard .752 ( wont mention this years)

        You sir are a tool. And pretty simplistic and lazy.

         
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        Last thought for Mr. John L. Tool

        Quentin .795 career OPs vs lefties
        Ludwick .746 career OPs vs lefties

        Did you bother to read this thread? It is about options.
        But I guess the stats are over rated and the professional GMs are clueless.
        I am willing to bet your fantasy team is way in first place.

         
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    i saw that last night. Please trade Brown. He cost us two runs last night. The first was being out of postion and jogging to the ball in the corner. Glad Tony Bruno mentioned it on the air today. The second was horrible. Please get rid of this guy. Our future is now. Not in 5 years.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jack

    From what I see on Quentin’s stats against LH pitching it’s 275 not 222. And that is in 98 PA’s (80 AB’s) this season. He’s hit .258 against RH pitching

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      Jack, Quentin is a career .222 hitter against lefties, but .275 this year.

       
  • Posts: 0 bart shart

    We do not want Ryan Ludwick, He is on a rapid downward slope. Forget him. Carolos Quentin is another story. He has power, is five years younger than Ludwick. He would be an asset in our batting order despite his poor defense. I would not trade Worley for him, but Singleton and a couple of decent pitching prospects may do the trick. Brown would not be my first offering, but I would probably include him and see what happens.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jack

    Oh yeah, I would not trade Brown plus for Pence. I would trade Singleton Cozart and 2 other mid to high level prospects. He is a 20-80 guy that hits for a solid average in a hitter friendly park like CBP. So I would not expect his power numbers to increase here. The idea would be to get him to help on the RH side this year and replace Ibanez in teh lineup for the next few years. Also I had a choice I would rather have Quentin than Pence or if you could swing a deal with SD for Ludick and either Adams or Bell or for Willingham and another bullpen arm, that would also be better than a deal for Pence.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Face

    No way I want Ryan Ludwick. NO WAY. He’s awful. I like the idea of Carlos Quinten. After seeing yet another Dom Brown error last night, I would LOVE to see Dom for Pence at this point. Pence has the most outfield assists in the majors over the last 3 years. Mike Adams is filthy, but the hell with Ludwick, Francisco/Mayberry is better then he is. No point to that trade.

    Carlos Quinten would RAKE at the bank. RAKE I SAY! Probably would come pretty cheap too. I think you offer Dom for Pence, and if that falls through, offer some middle prospects for Quinten. Quinten’s numbers are skewed because the Sox offense blows.

     
  • Posts: 0 Devin

    Ludwick? LOL. That’d be a waste of a move if I ever saw one. Guy brings nothing more than what we already have in guys like Martinez and Francisco.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    I think it is Pence or bust…. deal Brown to get him, not because he misplayed a ball last night, but because we will get a right handed version of him that we don’t have to watch grow…. he is ready now

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    No to Ludwick.
    Maybe to Quentin.
    Yes to Pence.

     
  • Posts: 0 tjayvee

    Last night’s game was a reality check. Good starter plus lights out bullpen = wins in close games.Lets’ face it, if you get down a run to to Giants by the end of the 6th, the game is pretty much over. I think the Phillies are in good shape if you get to the 8th with a lead, ( Bastardo,Madsen) but I don’t have that kind of faith in Lidge or Stutes in the 6th or 7th.

    I know Pence seems to be the logical target, but I’m guessing he wouldn’t do much against the likes of Cain, Lincecum, or Vogelsong.
    Adams is probably the better option.

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/powerRankings

    Why don’t we see what everyone else sees?

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    no way I’d make either move for pence or for ludwick. first of all, I have to give brown a chance to flourish. fans that have given up on him already are frankly complete idiots. these same people woulda traded utley howard and hamels years ago. at some point you have to bring in young talent and let it flourish. you can’t keep getting rid of your prospects for older already developed more expensive guys. I believe three years from now Brown will be way better than Pence could ever be and he’ll still be making much much less money than pence will be. they need to start to bring in more youth to this team.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I want Hunter Pence right now. I don’t want Ludwick. Or Quentin. I’ve been conditioned for Pence or Beltran and Pence is left. DomBrown continues to show he is not ready for prime time. In the post season, with the margin for error razor thin, Brown is gonna cost you a game. He plays stupid. Couple him with Ibanez in LF and all thats needed is some elephants, a clown, and big tent when the ball gets hit out there.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    this team is good enough to win the series, RIGHT NOW AS IS. don’t break that bank to get what you don’t need. don’t fix what ain’t broken. several columnists around the area in papers have written columns agreeing with my point recently.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    This team wasnt near good enough last year and its not a better team this year.
    The reg season record may be better. But Reg season record doesnt = playoff success.
    Ask the Mariners team that won 116 games or the Braves from 91-06.

    I do love the faity tale that the Philes were better than the Giants last year and certainly are this year. Keep believin.

    Its too bad Oswalt is valueless. You could deal him now and use any prospects brought for him. For Pence.

    Quenrin is OK but is a lot like what the Phillies already have.
    If you cant get Pence make a deal for him.

    A deal must be made. The phils can win a WS as is. But I would not favor them in a series vs the Giants. Especially not with the Giants having Beltran.

    The Phils see what I see. So I expect a deal before the deadline.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      wasn’t near good enough? what team were you watching? they shoulda won that series. if the offense didn’t through a collective slump they woulda easily won the world series. they were better than the giants last year. they are certainly MUCH better than the giants right now. fairy tale? if they played that series ten times the phillies would have won 9 times.

      and why would you even consider trading oswalt? you need him for the playoffs. he’s one of the best pitchers in the game.

      the phillies have a better offense than the giants (much better), a better starting rotation than the giants (slight advantage) , and a much better bullpen than the giants.

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        The Phillies had one hitter who hit in the Giants series last year. His name was Jayson Werth. He is now gone. I want to know how the giants won last year? you guys ccrack me up.
        I wish I lived in the fantasy land where you lose and prove you are better.
        9 out of 10 LOLOLOL
        Really it makes me laugh out loud.

        Your 4 starter averages 1 start in the playoffs. Im fine with worley or KK making the 1 start a 4 makes in the playoffs.
        If he was tradable he would be moved. He is not.

         
  • Posts: 0 rob5000

    Anyone thinking the Phils offer the Padres a package for Adams/Ludwick and flip Ludwick to either the Sox for Quentin or Astros for Pence (obviously with other players included)

     
  • Posts: 276 Jeff of Nova

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    Andrew, I tend to agree with you on most points but sending Brown and throw in Worley for Pence????? Worley is having a ROY type season. Brown is young and many are expecting the world out of him. I think he will be a star, he doesn’t need to be a savior now, that is why we have Howard, Utley, Victorino, Rollins…. these are the guys that need to step up!! I would love a bat who could maybe infuse this lineup or balance it. Which is why we are linked to every halfway decent RH in baseball. If we are giving up Brown then we need to get someone like BJ Upton. Worley should be untouchable, cause he is replacing Oswalt who most likely is either retiring or not getting his option picked up. With Blanton having a more serious injury, they need to use young good inexperience pitchers to learn from the big 3.

    We can’t just get a RH bat expect all to be solved. Howard needs to fix his giant hole in his swing, Ibanez needs to stop being a ground out machine, Rollins needs to get on base more.

    Definitely we shall see a trade but not need to do it to counter what the Giants got. The other 7 batters in the lineup need to learn to hit good pitching REGARDLESS!

     
  • Posts: 276 Jeff of Nova

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    Also we are better than the Giants last week, this week and next week Period. Great for them getting Beltran but he is not going to fix everything there, they miss Buster Posey tremendously and they are not going to strike lightening twice with some of their role players

     
    • Posts: 1190 Manny

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      I agree. All you gotta do now is walk Beltran. And maybe worry a bit about Panda. Other than that, that offense shouldn’t drive an opposing pitcher too crazy…

       
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

      I am not getting into Howard. How does your clean up hitter hit .181 in 3-1 counts. Just as point of reference. Adrian Gonzalez is hitting .468 with that count. It shows me someone who is clueless at the plate. I do not know if any team can win a world series with someone like that hitting 4th in the playoffs. I understand that when the Phils are up 13-1 ve washington he is going to hit and pad the stats. Even the “clutch” stats. I’d like to see his numbers in innings 7 ,8 and 9 when the phils are training by 1. I dont know if you can win with 2011 howard. You couldnt with 2010 playoff Howard. But this thread isnt about Howard.

      The Phillies lost to the Giants in 6 games in october with home field advantage last year. Have yuo seen the Giants record in one run games. The giants are a machine built to beat a team like the Phillies. Yes the Phillies would do better against the Red sox or Yankees or Brewers than the Giants would, But thats not what I am talking about. The Giants have and will continue to beat the phillies. Because and when you beat someone this is a fact. They are better than the phillies at least in head to head match ups.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

        your cleanup hitter is hitting low in 3-1 counts because he almost never ever sees a fastball in that count.

         
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        Its never Howards fault.
        Heck he is second in RBIs even.

         
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    How is Ryan Ludwick any better than some combination of Brown/Ben Fran/JMJ ??? Seriously, that’s basically just a lateal move that gets you nowhere….unless it’s some sort of package situation that brings Adams here. That would be the ONLY way it would make sense.

    Of the remaining possibilities Pence is still my choice.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian

    You don’t trade a piece from your rotation and a guy with a ceiling as high as Brown. Worley is too valuable, especially with Blanton down and Oswalt iffy. Ask yourself what happens if another starters goes down. If you trade Worley, how starts then? Me?

    As for Brown, he’s out performing Barry Bonds and Mike Schmidt as rookies. Sure am glad some of you weren’t around when Schmidt was struggling at first. You’d have shipped out the best player in the history of the team.

    I’m all for going for it, but you also have to be smart. I love Pence, but he’s not a 24 year old Ted Williams. The price is too high. For being huge baseball fans, it seems like the baseball logic of some in this group is highly suspect.

     
    • Posts: 1190 Manny

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      Extremely well said. Kudos.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      a very sensible post. refreshing to see

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Logicly what does Mick Schmidt or Barry Bonds have to do with Brown as a rookie?

    Brown has played a suspect RF so far. Ibanez is having an all time bad season in left. A few nice plays lately not withstanding.

    Logicly can you win a world series with suspect defense at both corner out field positions?

    The phillies are all in to win the world series this year. In 3 years Halladay and Lee wont be dominant and Hamels may well be gone.
    Its all in to win this year. worley isnt going to add to the playoffs. Will he even be on the roster?
    Id rather have pence in right to win this year then Brown.
    Its logical.

    I remember the crying about losing Happ. Worley is very much Happ like. I love what hes doing but he is at his most value right now. Same can be said for Brown. His value is probably at his highest right now. And the more he plays the less value he has.
    Not that I am down on him. I like him alot. But he lacks the instincts to play RF.He is a LFer.

     
    • Posts: 0 Big Mike

      Brown has a ton of potential, to just toss his name around like he doesn’t seems ridiculous. I’m not saying I wouldn’t trade Brown, but Brown and Worley for Hunter Pence? Jesus. No.

      I agree that we need to win now, but from what it sounds like, the Astros were stupid for not taking Singleton, Cosart and whoever else. Those are our two best prospects and a B level prospect from a top 10 farm system. Pence is good but we’re not getting Justin Upton/Matt Kemp we’re getting Hunter Pence…

      Trading Happ last year was not a big of a deal because we got a STARTING PITCHER in return.

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        Happ trade is moot because neither Happ or Oswalt has done anything this year.
        Happ has 6.12 ERA
        People did cry about losing him though liek they will if Worley goes.
        I dont cry about moving players. I didnt cry when they dealt Lee to seatte either though.

         
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Ryan H. The Phillies “should” not have won that series. They got outplayed, outpitched, outmanaged, out-everythinged. @Brian – So I guess the Phillies trading Bourn, a future all star, for Lidge was stupid? Utilizing your logic, it was. While I acknowledge that a team must always balance between the future and winning now, in the Phils case, when you’re talking Brown for Pence, that balance tips hard to “now”.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

      A voice of reason!

       
  • Posts: 0 David

    If you don’t think Brown is ready, what about Mayberry. Yes, it was dumb to get picked off second base Tuesday night but he really seems to be making progress since they called him up. And his defense has been solid.

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      Mayberry is 27, Brown is 24. In baseball, most players “peak” around 27-28, so with Mayberry what you see is what you get. With Brown he still has around 3-4 years to develop and become something truly great. The fact that Mayberry and Brown are so similar now shows just how much Brown needs to be in the lineup for both the current and future success of the team.

       
  • Posts: 0 David

    Regarding the bullpen, its better than its ever been with Stutes, Lidge, Madson and Bastardo. Then you add Kyle Kendrick when Roy Oswalt comes back. That’s a very good and deep bullpen.

    Regarding this talk of trading Vance Worley, if you want to win now, stick with Worley. In 3 consecutives games with Vance Worley starting, the Phillies scored 4 runs in total and won all 3 games. In the last 7 starts, he has not given up more than 2 runs. He has given up 6 runs in those starts. If he’s not the real deal, he sure is doing a good impersonation.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Today, I like Mayberry better. By that, I mean to say that if we got a guy to into RF then I would give Mayberry more time in the post season than Brown.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Lets all be clear, Ibanez can be in LF in October. At least we can all agree on that, correct?

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      Not if we get Pence or Quentin. If we get either of those, Raul becomes Matt Stairs and comes in to pinch hit or is given an occasional start against an RHP.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Ibanez will be the phils LFer in october. Unless a deal can be made for a RFer that doesnt involve Brown. Then Id bench Raul and put brown in left.
    Dont tell me he cant play left any worse than Raul or that he cant be moved. He is aprofessional athlete. LF is significantly easier to play then RF and Brown appears to me to be a LFer not a RFer.

     
  • Posts: 0 Realistic Phillies Phan

    trading brown is NOT the option, trading worley is NOT the option, pence is WAY too high priced! we dont need a bat, use mayberry, hes waited for it and earned it, anyone that thinks we absolutely need help and should mortgage our future for is dumb, sure pence is decent but not that good to give up brown and or worley, we have the best record in the majors by at least 2 games, we didnt do that by needing another bat, i am so sick of people saying to trade brown because hes not playing well, hes a freakin rookie! hes going to make mistakes! now is the time to let that happen with this pitching staff to pick him up, and everyone who is saying that brown cost us the game last night, sure he made a bad call on the dive, but mind you our offense had some chances and did NOTHING, so brown did not lose us that game, do research people and realize brown and worley are going nowhere, we will get a bull pen guy and thats it, or at least if we get a bat, it wont be at the cost of those two guys

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    @ RPP
    they already offered Brown for Pence the Astros said no thank you.

    So it is possible he will be moved.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Raul will be on the roster as either a platoon player or a PH. And I bet he contributes towards a championship. Just my gut. Nothing else.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Wait…the Astros said “no” to Brown for Pence? God bless Ed Wade. Well, I would play MiniMart in LF over Ibanez. I’m completely serious. Of course it would never happen. The thesis: If you’re not going to get any O out of the position, at least lock in down defensively. Raul…will…cost…you, if you have to play him in the field long enough.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    Don’t worry Raul… Haters gonna hate.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    One thing some people are missing is this.
    The phillies have the second highest payroll in the majors. They are now a major market team at the very upper end. Any trade that is made is made for 12 playoff games this year. Thats all it is about. Winning a world series in 2011 is the goal.

    In 3 years the Phillies will re-load in some manner that we cannot even talk about because its in the future. The Yankees and Red sox always reload. The Phillies are in this group now.
    I am worried about winning the WS this year. 2015 will take care of itself.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      with this kind of logic the red sox would have traded pedrioia, youkilis, ellsbury, and lester years ago for some half season washed up vets.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Sources say pence will be traded. Get brown out for him. Brown su cks

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Jeff – Go play in traffic. When I think of Dom Brown I think of: Jeff Stone, Kevin Gross, Mike Anderson, Roger Freed, Tyler Green, Bruce Ruffin, Joe Savery, Jeff Jackson, John Stearns, Ricky Jordan, that were supposed to be the second coming. And never were. And there are guys that we traded: Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez, Kyle Drabek, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson, Josh Outman, Michael Bourn. There are some decent players in that list but none that make you go “wow”! Point being, its just too hard to project a young guy when you can get a proven commodity in exchange. A guy that fits what you wanna do.

    Who would have kept that package of players instead of trading them for Halladay? Lee (twice), Lidge? Now Pence may not be those guys, but he is a guy who will make a difference in a WS year. If Brown has to go, so be it.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      you conveniently hand pick guys that never panned out while omitting guys like hamels, utley, howard, etc…

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Dip sh it. If you would like to meet for lunch let me know. From your pic it won’t be a long lunch punk. Wanna play.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Jeff, you are always saying really dumb things with the added feature of being barely literate most days.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    At this point I would include Brown in a trade for Pence. It is obvious that Brown needs more development time before he can play every day. I have not seen enough consistently good play from him to tell me otherwise. I think a trade like this benefits everyone. Pence can come here and deliver the right handed bat we need and Brown can go down to Houston and continue his development without the pressure of a title run on top of him.

    I would not, however, include Worley. Yeah, yeah next year he might become the 4 or 5 pitcher everyone says he will become but, for now, he is one of the most consistent starters we have and we will need that since the Braves are good enough to not completely disappear on us.

     
  • Posts: 276 Jeff of Nova

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    Trade some of lower farm guys Brown and Worley are going nowhere. The Brown for Pence was rumored not confirmed by the Phillies. So I take that at face value. I have a crazy notion that the Philles may be looking at Upton a lot more and that the Rays are looking for pitching so it would be a good trading partner.

     
  • Posts: 276 Jeff of Nova

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    This from MLBTrade Rumors.

    Yesterday we learned that the Phillies offered Jarred Cosart, Jonathan Singleton, and a second-tier pitching prospect for Hunter Pence, but the Astros did not pull the trigger. Domonic Brown MAY HAVE BEEN available as well, but it appears Pence will remain with Houston until the offseason at least.

    I pretty sure unless we are getting a super stud Brown is going nowhere. Amaro has made it clear to many that Worley and Brown are untouchable, as they should be. Amaro will pull something just have to wait and see.

     
  • Posts: 64 RatBastardNJ

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    How can so called Phillies Phans already give up the World Series this year if they don’t make the trade. If you feel like that, pack your bags, leave the area and go bandwagon jump on another winning team. I just think some fans will never be happy…even if we win the WS the next three years, they will whine that it is not enough. If the media is correct, RAJ offered an incredible package of young talent for Pence and I think the Astros would have made out better than the Lidge or Oswalt deal. They said no…and I am happy to hear that RAJ does not read some of these posts and up the offer to include Brown AND Worley…just way too much. Quentin won’t be easy either as the Pale Hose are still in their race. I would have liked Melky to platoon with Brown and Ibanez but it appears KC is holding on to him. With the Braves, Brewers, Giants, Yanks, Bosox also looking to spend, just don’t assume that RAJ can make an easy deal, unfortunately some fans seem to count on this due to past precedent.

     
 
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