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Trade Updates

Posted by Corey Seidman, Wed, July 27, 2011 03:09 PM | Comments: 33
Rumors, Trades

First, the news…

Will Beltran be in a Giants uniform tomorrow night?

- Carlos Beltran looks to be heading to the Giants for minor league pitcher Zach Wheeler, ranked the 31st prospect in baseball by Keith Law. The Phillies apparently turned down straight up offers of Dom Brown for Beltran, Jarred Cosart for Beltran and Jonathan Singleton for Beltran.

- Edwin Jackson was traded with Mark Teahen from the White Sox to the Blue Jays for solid reliever Jason Frasor and minor league pitcher, and 44th raked MiLB prospect Zach Stewart.

- Jackson was then traded by Toronto, with Octavio Dotel, Corey Patterson and Mark Rzepczynski to the Cardinals for Colby Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters.

- The Phillies remain in pursuit of Hunter Pence, and reportedly had reached a tentative agreement earlier this week to deal Cosart, Singleton and another minor league pitcher to Houston for Pence. Ed Wade backed off, however, citing his desire for major league ready talent. The Phils are unwilling to trade Brown or Vance Worley.

- The Braves, after losing Brian McCann to an oblique injury last night, are now back in the Pence sweepstakes.

Thoughts…

- The Giants did what they needed to do…traded a young pitcher for the bat they so desperately need. Mets GM Sandy Alderson should be commended for getting a valuable prospect in Wheeler. His hands were tied behind his back – Beltran sought a deal only to San Fran or Philly, and yet Alderson still received a nice return.

- I don’t have any idea why the White Sox waited until they finally started playing well to sell off parts. This now puts Carlos Quentin in play, and per Buster Olney, the Phillies are conducting the necessary background work.

- Rasmus was sold painfully low. What a pitiful return for the Cardinals. They trade 3 1/2 years of cost-controlled Colby for two rentals: Jackson and Dotel, a nothing player in Patterson and a few years of a reliever with decent groundball numbers and a really long last name.

- Ed Wade is not trading Pence unless he gets a sure-fire “win” in the trade. The jokes can stop, he’s doing it right this time.

- Finally, it looks as though any Beltran deal cannot be completed in the next 24 hours. There is a full one-day waiting period to have Beltran waive his no-trade rights. So if the Phillies do see him in this series, it would not be until Thursday night’s finale.

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  • Posts: 0 Adrian M.

    Well, here’s hoping for a season-ending injury to Beltran before October (not a hard thing to wish for) if he goes to San Fran. We don’t need Cody Ross AND Beltran beating us when these two teams invariably meet again in the postseason.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I disagree horrible trade for the mets. This kid is 5 years plus. Terrible. Phillies did the right thing. Get pence. Stick brown in the deal.

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      Soooo dealing Cosart for Beltran would have been too much for us to give up, yet the Mets getting arguably a better prospect than Cosart makes this a terrible trade?

      Ooooooookay.

       
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    Is Singleton for Beltran too much? What do people here think?Jay Floydddd?

     
  • Posts: 31 Josh

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    Ok Ed Wade is playing a little hardball, but what does he want with major league ready talent? That team is so far away from being a playoff contender, he should be going after the best prospect poll possible. I think the phils will get this done.

     
    • Posts: 31 Josh

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      BTW, I’m glad the Phils balked at giving away a grade A prospect for a 2 month rental (Beltran).

       
  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    wow. we coulda had beltran for Jarred Cosart and nothing else? I find that hard to believe. hard to believe the mets would offer that deal and even harder to believe the phils would turn it down.

     
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    I feel that the Mets are getting fleeced. All they’re getting is Zack Wheeler AND they’re paying $4 million (out of $6 remaining) on Beltran’s contract.

    Wow.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Beltrans contract and whoever pays it isnt a factor.
    Hed be a nice fit here.

    But youd have to win the WS.
    Because you dont want him here nexy year. Noy ig he hit 40 homers in 40 games.

    Pence makes sense. Too bad Oswalt is hurt. Ideally youd deal him for some prospects and turn those prospects into Pemce. He is not needed here in any way.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mark

    Hard to believe the Phils turned down Beltran for Cosart? Umm, Cosart’s a top 20 prospect and projected as a number 1 starter. Why should the Phils trade him for a rental player like Beltran???

     
  • Posts: 64 bacardi

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    Quentin isnt that great……..

     
    • Posts: 0 Alexander Marino

      Yea but hes better than ben fransisco who is what we have now. I think most people would take quinten over fransisco any day of the week.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    I think the only guy Jr wants his Pence. He will get it done. Talking to my Mets buddy and he thinks beltran made no sense for us. He thinks Pence will do great with the Phillies. He also says I know you hate Howard but as a mets fan I fear him.. hmmmm

     
  • Posts: 64 bacardi

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    Well if they going to make a deal i hope it isnt for some mediocre guy having a mediocre year. I know some people think Mayberry might be the RH bat we need but we need a guy who has been up in the MLB an has faced some of these guys more than a few times. A field of Mayberry, Pence an Victorino will look great next year. I say Mayberry because i think Brown still needs some work. If Mayberry bombs out then we have still have Brown. Im not sure what they will do with Ben Fran at this point. I wasnt a fan of Mayberry but right now i think he may have a slight advantage over Domonic

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    I agree with Jeff. I think Ruben is really focusing on Pence. I would bet that by this weekend Pence is a Phillie.

     
  • Posts: 0 BillyBob

    philies suck! BRAVES rule!!!! wE’re back babie! Yeah da phills might win the nl east but we’re gonnna win the wild card and go all the way 2 the world series! phillies are old and won;t win after like 2 more years

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      Adorable

       
    • Posts: 0 Tom

      Idiot!!

       
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    Let Wade try to play hardball… he’ll succumb under the pressure.

    The only thing that worries me is this McCann injury. Now the Braves have to be really motivated to go out and get a bat. Either that, or they will watch their chance go down the drain.

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    I would hate to see us in a bidding war with the Braves. The list of buyers has gotten a little lighter- the Indians (after getting no-hit today) have to be feeling like it’s getting away from them, the Sox just sold themselves out of contention and no one else seems to be making noise for bats. It seems like it is us and the Braves…

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Appears imminent.

    Makes a playoff match up with the Giants even more intersting.
    Phillies fans should be very happy Posey is out.

     
  • Posts: 0 John

    The Ed Wade jokes can stop? Why? Almost everything Wade does ends up being comical in some way.

     
    • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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      Because none of Ed Wade’s trades with the Phillies have turned out to be “comical,” everyone just feels that way because everyone else does.

      Seriously, look at his moves w/ the Phils:

      - Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett for Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary, Mike Costanzo
      Bourn has been the best defensive centerfielder in the NL for 4 years now, steals a ton of bases and gets on base at a great rate. Pretty much every team would love to have him. He’s been much more valuable than Lidge.

      Wade then turned Costanzo into Miguel Tejada, who was pretty good with the Astros.

      Fast forward to the Oswalt trade:

      Roy Oswalt for J.A. Happ, Anthony Gose, Jonathan Villar

      In Happ, Houston got a #4/#5 starter that they severely overvalued, but they immediately turned Gose into Brett Wallace, their everyday 1B and 2nd best hitter. Just like with Costanzo, Wade had other irons in the fire. They also picked up a young up-the-middle prospect in Villar. The trade was nowhere near as bad as was originally reported.

      The Ed Wade hate is overblown.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Report says pence will not be traded b

     
  • Posts: 0 Alexander Marino

    I thought it would take more than a top pitching prospect to land carlos beltran. The Phillies now really need a right handed bat whether its carlos quinten or hunter pence.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Jeff
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    Breaking news. The phillies are now going to put brown in for pence. 3 sources. Do it. Brown is never google to be there and hunter is in his prime.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    How about Polanco for….wait for it….Urgeth Urbina?, who ended up lighting a guy on fire and is nor serving a life sentence in a mexican, ior cuban, or puerto rican jail. Nice trade Ed.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Jeff – go play in traffic.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Is there a reason u would write that dips hit? Also please stop writing your poor articles. You know nothing about baseball.

     
  • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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    For what it’s worth, I would have done Jarred Cosart straight up for Carlos Beltran.

    There’s a good chance Cosart’s value is never as high as it is right now. It’s not his numbers creating the buzz … he has a 4.19 ERA, 1.30 WHIP ad 6.7 strikeout-per-nine mark in Single-A. The buzz was brought on more so by the Phillies’ PR machine and a nice showing in the Futures Game.

    Also, as I’ve written about a bit the last two weeks, there is no reason to think Beltran couldn’t have been re-signed. The Phillies, after extending Jimmy Rollins and even Ryan Madson this offseason, would be about $10MM under their 2011 Opening Day payroll. Beltran couldn’t have been re-signed for 2 years, $24MM with a mutual option third? Even with Boras, that’s pretty fair.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I agree. And Corey, what are you doing up so late?

    Maybe they just want Pence.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      Dipsy, I think they do. Ands something tells me they will get him. All the Astros are doing right now is posturing, which every GM should do or he’s gonna get fired (Oh, wait….Ed Wade will probably be fired anyway). Brown might be gone though. We’ll see…

       
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    ^ really should have read SHOULD be fired….not gonna get fired. But you get the point. A good GM should play it “close to the vest”.

     
 
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