Bats Disappear as Myers Stifles Phillies

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, September 12, 2011 11:10 PM | Comments: 45
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Oswalt was not at his best on Monday night (PHOTO: AP)

Going into the game, numbers like 4-13, 4.66 ERA, and 49-97 stood out. Brett Myers brought that record into the game, and his team was 48 games under .500. Never mind that, because it meant nothing. That’s why you play the game.

Myers shut the Phillies down with a nasty array of off-speed pitches in the Astros 5-1 win over the Phillies. After a first inning run got the Phils on the board, they could do nothing else as Myers struck out four and allowed only six hits. But all wasn’t lost for the Phillies on this night in Houston; although they fell to the worst team in baseball, their magic number to clinch a playoff spot is now down to one with the St. Louis Cardinals loss.

Roy Oswalt looked good early on, but fell on hard times as the game progressed. He went seven innings, allowing 11 hits – the third time he’s allowed double digit hits in the last five weeks. It began to fall apart in the fourth, when Oswalt gave up two runs; two more then came in the fifth. Carlos Lee launched his 16th home run of the season – although launched might be a strong word – into the short seats in left field.

Oswalt’s velocity was fine, registering 94 on the gun a few times in his first start in front of his old home crowd. The crispness on his pitches was not there. The question is now becoming, can you trust Oswalt in the playoffs? He’ll have a few more starts before they begin and will need to find his old self; the shut down ace pitcher.

Who looked ugly tonight? Basically everyone wearing red and gray. Ryan Howard finished 0-for-4 with two K’s, looking completely lost at the plate. Shane Victorino is struggling with an average now down to .292 after an 0-for-4 night, as well.

Hunter Pence made his return to Houston and finished a respectable 2-for-4.

Luckily for the Phillies, they are still 94-50 on the season. And, they get to play the worst team in baseball twice more.

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  • Posts: 549 Brian Sr. of CO

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    Oh well. Can’t win them all. We said the same thing after the Marlins series, and then we came back and swept the Braves, and took 3 of 4 from the Brewers in THERE house! Braves lost, Magic Number down to 5!

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05


  • Posts: 556 Bruce

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    Hey! Give credit where it is due. Brett Myers was on tonight and has been very sharp in last 3 outings ( has allowed three earned runs in his last 22 2-3 innings). He completely baffled the Phillies with offspeed pitches including his curveball as his ‘bread and butter’ pitch. He now has a career 2-0 record against the Phillies.

    The Astros played better than the Phillies tonight as well. Steady pitching, timely hitting and FLAWLESS defensive fielding. While no errors were charged against the Phillies, they did looked sloppy in the field at times. I cringed when Rollins and Orr collided in their attempt to field a grounder up the middle. Visions of two possible injuries right there came into mind. I let out a sigh of relief as they dust themselves off and continue to play. Also Ibanez appeared to misjudged a sinking liner that bounced of his glove in LF. Just one of those nights.

    Oh well, as one posted earlier, there is good news for Philies fans as the braves lost their 4th straight in 12 innings to the Marlins. The loss by the Braves reduced the magic number to 5 for the Phillies in clinching their 5th straight division title and home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Hamels will pitch tomorrow agaiinst J. Happ. Let’s go Phillies!

  • Posts: 0 Ryan H

    man. myers still frustrates me to no end. this guy could be so good with all that stuff. a plus fastball and an absolutely filthy curveball. but he just doesn’t know how to harness it. been driving me nuts since his second year in the league when we all thought he was poised to become a legitimate dominant ace in this league and it just hasn’t ever happened. but he continues to shows flashes of brilliance as he did tonight.

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    I fell asleep on the couch from about 8 30 till 10 30.
    Kind of like the Phillies did.

    It really doesnt mean alot.

    No celebration when they clinch the WC or the division. Maybe a beer when they clinch home field throughout.
    And they will do that. 100% chance home filed throughout.

    The celebration will be when Doc and Carlos lift the WS trophy.

    Wake me and the phillies in 3 weeks when the season begins.
    The reality it is the only season that matters to the Phillies.
    The MLB playoff tournament.
    Its all that matters. And winning it.

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    Here is my frustration.
    My fantasy football team lost by 2 points. When I had the Steelers defense for a -3 and Nate Kaeding as my kicker who got hurt on the opening kick off and got me 0 points.
    I was the first person to take a kicker or a defense too.
    So today I dropped Kaeding ( out for season the #1 fantasy kicker) for David Akers ( shout out to Eagles fans).

    Needless to say losing by 2.5 with a -3 combined from K and defense put me in a mood today.

  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    Thanks Roy! Answered all our questions regarding starter #4 during the post season. Even though Worley suffered a loss in his last appearance (well, the Phils lost when he started), he did not give up 14 base runners in 7 innings.

    So, no bitching, no complaining from the fans – Doc, Lee, Hamels, Worley – long relief, Roy2, Kendrick, Blanton (?), set up, Stutes, Bastardo, closing is Madson. I count 10. Oh, did I leave Lidge off as a setup? Perhaps a mano y mano sumo wrestling match to the death between Cheeseburger and Lidge?

    • Posts: 0 Ryan H

      not happening man. gonna be Oswalt and we all know it. and nothing else would make any sense honestly.

    • Posts: 1157 betasigmadeltashag

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      Brooks do you watch how Charlie runs his team Worley may be a good playoff pitcher, Charlie knows Roy can be. There is no way Roy 2 is not the fourth starter if the Phillies make the playoffs. The Phillies did not play defense behind him last night it was a a long flight and they are coming off a seven game streach against what is supposed to be there competion. Even the throw by Chooch on ;the ball in the dirt he makes that throw nine out of ten times. If memory serves me right at least four if not five balls hit would have been outs if the phillies had played the defense they play every other game. So that eleven hits is down to five or six and at least two runs off the board. YOu can write in stone the starting rotation for the playoffs is going to be Doc, Cliff,Cole, and Roy. The pen that is a nother question you have the locks of Madson, Bastardo, Lidge, Stutes, Worley then you have KK or Blanton problably KK then I think you have Herndon. I do not see carrying all three of Blanton, KK and Worley. If it was me I think you take Worley to go 2-3 innings if needed, and KK just because he had come out of the pen some this year.

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    Ugly game… I think their heads where elsewhere. I think that they knew the big story would be about Pence and Oswalt returning so they figured that they would let someone else be the hero. Very unfocused effort tonight- ugly defensive miscues.

    I expected Roy O to be the guy in the playoffs but I’m not sure what they’ll do at this point. Whoever it is will be on a short leash…

    Ugly game all around but let’s mention Ryan Howard by name. And you wonder why he doesn’t get a ton of respect around here

    • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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      Really did not expect anyhting else from Andy did you OCP?

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    Charlie will probably go with Oswalt to start over Worley….much like he went with Pedro over Happ in the ’09 Series vs the Yanks. Experience over youth…..even though the youth in situations made serious cases for being the starter. Can’t say I can argue with his logic if he decides that….even though I think I would rather see Worley. Either way, it’s the 4th starter.

    And I agree with what Dipsy suggested a week or so ago…..if Oswalt is the 4th starter then put Worley in the pen NOW to get acclimated and accustomed to the role. Unless they don’t have their mind made up…

    AND…… the difference this year is the trio of Halladay, Lee and a BETTER Hamels….something we didn’t have in ’09.

  • Posts: 0 Rabbi

    What else is new. The Phils’ line-up is dominated by a soft-tosser. The main cause of this is the Phils’ stubbornness to change their hitting approach. Our line-up goes to the plate looking to hit fastballs. As a result, it is vulnerable to off-speed pitches and breaking stuff. The long-held concept of “a fastball count” is obsolete. It is rare for an opposing pitcher to throw heat to our hitters on 2-0 or 3-1. No, most of our opponents “pitch backwards” to our beloved Phightins, knowing that our line-up is geared up for the hard stuff. Then there are those pitchers who don’t have stuff hard enough to challenge hitters, e.g., Brett Myers. It’s opposing hurlers t like this that give the Philllies fits. And this is where the change of approach needs to appear. When the starter is a finesse pitcher, the thought needs to be “look soft and take it the other way.” with regard to attacking a soft-tosser, didn’t anybody in the organization learn anything from having Jamie Moyer in the rotation for 4 years? I guess not.

  • Posts: 0 Original Jeff

    My fantasy team came back and tied Andrew. All because of the great Brady. I had britt on the bench with 25 points. The steelers d with a minus.

  • Posts: 77 branderson925

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    What I’ve been saying for a little while now is with regards to the 4th Starter Role, they have to go with the proven veteran, Oswalt.

    It doesn’t matter if Oswalt isn’t looking like his usual self. He is bottom line more reliable in the situation than Vance. Don’t get me wrong, I’m pretty high on Vance myself but I feel like the playoff jitters are more likely to get to him than Roy. Roy matches up amazingly with any 4th starter in the league, however, a team is likely to pitch their ace in the situation Roy would pitch in a 7 game series.

    My idea is to use Roy with a short leash and use Vance as needed. Let Kendrick and Blanton be long men. However, I think the key is to use Oswalt until he starts to falter and than use Vance as a sort of 1-2 punch. Anyone think anything of this idea?

    • Posts: 5449 Lefty

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      I would hope we wouldn’t need a long man, but since we probably will, one is enough. You are suggesting three. Worley, Kendrick, Blanton. I might see them going with two of them, but not three. Blanton pitched a fairly clean inning last night, I think I’d rather see him in that role.

      I don’t trust Lidge, but I’m sure Charlie will.

      So if they go into postseason with 10 pitchers for the first round, and 11 for the second and (hopefully) third. That means a pen of -
      Then they’ll probably add Herndon or Kendrick for the next round.
      I sure wish we had another left-hander instead of Lidge.

      • Posts: 14 Lyndanne

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        We all know Charlie will go with Little Roy.. but something isn’t right.. maybe female intuition but he just does not seem to have any love for the game.. Roy H is a machine you can see frustration when he makes what he thinks is a mistake, Lee plays with everything he has every game, even Cole seem to “care” again… but Little Roy I don’t see it.

        I realize little Roy has the experience but truly I don’t think it would hurt for the 1st series to go Roy, Lee, Hamels, Worley :)

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    The 4th starter will only start twice in the postseason..

    Game #4 of the NLCS and the WS … either of our guys is a great option. Knowing what we know about Charlie and his loyalty, its obviously going to Oswalt as the starter

    • Posts: 14 Lyndanne

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      Doesn’t mean I can’t hope for Worley LOL.. Honestly I don’t believe it will matter much at all especially in the first series. Really wish they would leave Lidge home though!

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Baseball’s a funny game .. . . . the Phillies win 6 in a row against the Braves and Brewers … then lose 2 in a row, Brewers and Astros …

    Up until about 3 minutes, I was so gung-ho Oswalt it was crazy … then I read the piece from Sam Donnellon today “Phillies should put Oswalt, not Worley, in the bullpen” ..

    The arguments were that Oswalt has done that before, and with an untested Bullpen, Stutes and Bastardo not exactly looking sharp the past few times out .. Worley wouldn’t play a meaningful role from the pen anyway .. but maybe Oswalt could ??

    … I said to one of my friends the other day that Lidge is going to play a key role in this postseason run …

    • Posts: 5449 Lefty

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      I have full confidence that Lidge will play a key role, I just believe it will be a negative one. I don’t hate him BTW, I love what he did for us in 08. I’m just not seeing that pitcher anymore. Charlie will trust him though.

  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    I think Brett Myers would make a very effective closer. He still has good stuff.

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    I have the same feeling about Lidge. He’s gonna give us all heart attacks or gray hair….but I think he comes into games and gets key people out.

    I had forgotten that Oswalt has done bullpen duty before. Think Charlie has mulled that over?

    BART… Myers was the closer for the Phillies a few years back. He probably still could do it.

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    I don’t know, Lefty…. I think Lidge will rise to the occasion and wants to go out with a bang. Same with Raul (for all you Raul haters out there). These guys are veterans and competitors and want to prove that they can perform. Maybe I’m wrong…but I just have this feeling…

    • Posts: 5449 Lefty

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      In all sincerity, I hope I am wrong and you and Don are right on this one, especially since I know that Charlie will give him the ball. I Just have a bad feeling about Brad. He is not the same pitcher, doesn’t seem to have command and velocity of the FB or the biting slider he used to have. He may be able to remake his career ala Moyer, but this is no time to experiment!

  • Posts: 1157 betasigmadeltashag

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    The one thing about Little Roy coming out of thing pen is his back issues, do you really trust he can get up and ready is a relativly short time. I am not sure of that, and not that you would need it but could he go on one or two days rest after pitching and inning or two. Vance would be in my opionon. Hope they come out tonight and play better for Cole. Go Phillies

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Myers, is more valuable to teams as a guy that pitches 200 innings, instead of a Closer that pitches 70 ….

    Lidge, has been effective in his return …. the only knock on him right now is his walks… BUT.. due to that same wildness he’s got 18 strikeouts in 13.1 innings !! (good for a 12.0 k-per-9 rate) .. his ERA is great right now at 1.35, but his WHIP is terrible at 1.575 (a baserunner and a half per inning)

    It should also be noted that 3 of his 11 walks are intentional.. not that 8 walks in 13 innings is good, but its better than 11 ..

    Is Lidge a bad pitcher, getting lucky by stranding baserunners?? Or is he a good pitcher simply having control problems right now?

    • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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      Donny, don’t you remember when Myers was in the BP in 08? Remeber how he used to top it at 95-97? That was incredible to watch. Of course the more he got used to pitching there, the worse his ERA would get

  • Posts: 1157 betasigmadeltashag

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    THe one think with Lidge is he is really a one pitch pitcher, now I like Lidge and think he will pitch in the playoffs if the Phillies make it, but he is having problems spotting his fastball control he can not spot it and it is not fast enough to get it by people. His one pitch is good and I guess he really has two pitches but they are both sliders. I think he will find it and get some importent outs in the post season. But i also hope the the Phillies score enough runs that anyone in the pen can give up a run and still have a lead.
    And I want to add something as far as Bastardo goes, I think it may be lack of work not over work. And I think he needs to work out of some of the jams he gets himself into, it seems to me that early in the year Charlie would let him pitch after he gave up a hit a walk even if it was a RH up. I think that is what he needs. just one mans opionon

  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Oswalt’s gonna pitch. We all know that. I would like to know where Juan Perez is. Am I the only one that thinks he should be our playoff loogy? Lidge is done. Can’t put him in a meaningful game with a win on the line. Ya just can’t. The back of the game should be entrusted to Madson, Bastardo, Stutes (sigh), Worley, Perez for the problem lefty. @Don – C’mon Don. Lidge has two pitches. Slider in the zone and slider out of the zone. His fastball can pass for a change up now. If you let Brad pitch in a big game he will kill you, I guarantee.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Assuming we face the Yankees or the Red Sox they are known for fouling off balls. If they can tire our starters we are going to need a bullpen and let’s face it, right now we have only one guy we can count on – Madson. Everyone else has a ? next to them unfortunatley now including Bastardo based on his last outings. In fact, the second best guy is actually LIdge. Of course he will put a few on if they don’t swing at the slider but he has managed to avoid major damage.

    We will have to see what Worley and Kendrick can do from the pen because I think they may be needed!

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    18 Ks in 13.1 innings …… not sure how you can argue with that .. so he’s still effective in spots, and his 1.35 ERA isn’t something that I made up, that’s the actualy numbers he’s produced since working himself back from injury …

    As many have said, hopefully our pen doesn’t really even pitch that much, or at least not in meaninful situations, but i’d trust Lidge to step it up when we need him

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    As I sat on Sunday and watched the 8th and 9th inning I knew Howard would never ever hit then. I cant be the only one that knew Martinez would work a count and Orr would get a hit.

    And Rollins and Howard have never ever hit in that postion or worked a count.
    Thats your issue. Don Moron and beta and the chucks can get on board all they want and sing songs agout people.

    Thats your weakness. If you get beat it will be because of this.
    Don Moron and the others will steer you clear like 3 card monti.
    But I will tell you. If you lose (like 2010) It will be for this reason.

    Id rather anyone up in the 8th or 9th with 2 on and down by 1 than Howard.

    We wont discuss down 2 and he leads off the ninth.
    Looking for a homer.
    To lose by 1.
    Definition of hero.

    • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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      Andrew you’re getting worked up again – por qua?
      Ease up, relax, watch what happens. Nothing we do or say will change a thing – but you know that.

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    I am the bad guy for pointing this out.
    They wont lose this year.
    But if there is any scenario,
    Its Howard needing a clutch hit.
    It will nevere ever happen.
    If its 8-1 and 2 strikes runners in scoring postion.

    It will go 800 miles
    3-2 ninth inning bases loaded about to lose?
    No chance put in valdez or Schneider or anyone.
    There is no player on the roster including pitchers with less of a chance hitting there.

    But Don Moron will put up 100 stats about it.
    But we all know and he knows. And other teams know now.

    Thats your defecit. All the homers and RBI not withstanding.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    so…. we’re back to name calling, and picking fights for no reason on PhilliesNation ??

  • Posts: 1110 Manny

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    Unless Lidge really shines in September, I’d leave him off the postseason roster…

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    Donny Moron and Baumann can do 8,000,000,000 pages on the greatness.
    Thats not me.
    I can only tell you the weak point.

    They should win it anyway. But the 4 hitter will never ever hit in a clutch 8th or 9th situation.
    Like last year with the Giants as I told you before the playoffs it was an issue.
    I am telling you now thats the weak link.

    Again sorry for the dose of reality.
    You are weak because anyone on the roster vs Brian Williams in the 9th is better.
    Including pitchers.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Dude what are you talking about . . . . nobody has said anything about Howard all day, yet you continue this grade school BS and your jaded anti-Howard comments

    We all know he’s the worst player in Phillies history…. no need to keep bringing it up

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    Not worked up at all.
    Telling you how and what the weakness is.

    Worst player in history. Yada yada. Thats his line of defense.

    9th inning need a hit who is the last man on the roster you want up?

    Anyone who watches all the games and has a realistic point of view knows the answer.

    I dont know who the worst player in Phillies history is. But I do know who the worst poster in the history of Philliesnation.com is.

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    Andrew, you’re not the bad guy for bringing anything up….even if it does have ZERO to do with the discussion at hand.

    No. What you’re the bad guy for doing is all the time calling people out and assigning names like “moron” to them… without even thinking about about what you’re saying.

    I knew the little love-fest we had going on couldn’t possibly last forever.

  • Posts: 0 Andrw from Waldorf

    Thanks Chuck and it continues for the season.
    And I do think they will win the WS
    And last year I did not.

    But it really is the weakness with the team. But he may do damage early( crossing fingers). He just wont do it late when its all on the line IMO
    But others will. As they did every year before last year.
    Thats what killed it. The other guys didnt hit either last year.

  • Posts: 0 Ryan H

    if the biggest weakness on your team has 35 homers and 125 rbi’s and some of the greatest power numbers in the history of the game, that’s a damn good team!

  • Posts: 549 Brian Sr. of CO

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    I keep watching the replays of the game, and I still do not think that Oswalt was really that bad. He had a mistake that Lee sent out, other than that he had ZERO help from the defense, and the Astro’s Defense was insane last night. Most nights, Oswalt probably would have had a double with that hit, but Lee got to it. Mini Mart had a hell of a snag for an out, other than that, not much. Howard I would say would normally have gotten that double down the line. Orr, is not as good as Utley, and had Utley been healthy and in the game, chances are, J-Roll would not have felt the need to go for that ball, which scored a run, and kept the inning alive. I do not think Oswalt was all that bad last night as some want to make it sound.

  • Posts: 0 Piloto

    Andrew I think there’s a lot of truth in what your saying. Not really on topic but whatever. But he’s not THAT bad….come on. You (we) tend to remember the times he didn’t come through, but he’s also had some big hits in big spots. Is he Pujols? Nooo. At least we don’t have to watch Pat the Bat anymore.

    In all honesty, you sound drunk. Any truth to that?

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