Writer’s Roundtable: Domonic Brown on Playoff Roster?

Posted by Pat Gallen, Fri, September 23, 2011 12:15 PM | Comments: 28
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Should Domonic Brown be on the postseason roster? (PHOTO: Lehigh Valley Live)

With the stretch run of the season coming to a close, we’ll look into a playoff-related question, and one that zeroes in on a talented Phillies player that has fallen on hard times. Today’s Writer’s Roundtable is:

QUESTION: Should Domonic Brown be on the postseason roster?

Jon Nisula: Yes, without a doubt. Brown has a ton of talent and can handle the bat well. The only thing he needs to figure out is the mental side of things. Having him on the playoff roster will not only be an asset to the Phillies as a team, but it will boost his confidence as well. He’d take it all in, feel like he deserves to be there, and who knows, he might even have a big hit or two.If anything, he deserves it way more than anyone on the current roster.

Look at the bench options they have going into the postseason: Bowker, Michael Martinez, Wilson Valdez, Brian Schneider, Ben Francisco, Ross Gload, and of course Brown.Schneider is a given–they can’t play without a backup catcher. But after that, I’d say Brown should be the #1 option out of those listed. In a late game situation with a righty on the mound, I don’t want Gload, Schneider, Martinez, or Bowker at the plate, I want Brown.

Don M.: I don’t think that Domonic Brown should be on the postseason roster.  There are faster players, there are better contact hitters, and better defenders that could be on the roster instead.

At this point, I’d have to say that Brandon Moss is even a better choice as a left-handed “power threat” off the bench…though I’d imagine the organization would use Jon Bowker before Moss.  Just using the eye-test …. I think Pete Orr is a much better option as a pinch-runner, and I can’t think of what other role Brown would serve in the postseason.

Brandon Moss is a power threat (PHOTO Jay Floyd)

Amanda Orr: Yes, I think Dom Brown should make the playoff roster over Ross Gload and someone like John Bowker. Gload’s numbers aren’t all that impressive this year, although he has been a decent pinch hitter at times.  However, once Gload gets on base, he is usually removed for a pinch runner.  With Brown, you gain speed on the bases and don’t have to waste another player.  Also, Brown has more power than Gload.  Brown may not be used to the role of pinch hitting, but for the playoffs you want the best players on the team, and Brown is better than Gload.

Mike Baumann: Should they? Yes. Will they? Probably not. I don’t know why the Phillies seem committed to doing everything they can to stunt Brown’s growth as a player, but this question has nothing to do with that. Compare his stats (.246/.335/.393) to Ross Gload’s (.257/.278/.314). Or perhaps you’d prefer John Bowker or Brandon Moss as left-handed bench options? Not only is he the best hitter, he can run and throw, which neither Gload, Bowker, nor Moss can do. While we’re at it (and this isn’t senseless Raul-bashing, by the way), Raul Ibanez has put up a .242/.288/.419 AVG/OBP/SLG line. Being absolutely charitable to Ibanez, he and Brown are roughly even, before you take into account defense and baserunning. So why do fans and management seem to hate Domonic Brown so much?

Pat Gallen: I’d like to see Dom Brown on the postseason roster, but I wonder if it’s the correct move. He’s been tossed all around like a rag doll this season and his confidence seems shot. The Phillies certainly can’t put him on the roster unless they play him in at least five or six games over the final two weeks. They’ve got to evaluate where they think his swing is and where his head is; because it was an ugly showing in Lehigh Valley at the end of the regular season and into their playoffs. If he can find the confidence he once had an hits the ball with authority within the next 10 days, I’m all for it. He’s got to show something now. And that’s only if the Phils let him show it. So to answer, I don’t think he’ll be on it, but I wouldn’t mind it if he was.

Corey Seidman: Domonic Brown should not be on the postseason roster. He likely won’t be, either, as Charlie said last week prior to the Lehigh Valley guys being called up that who was there then would likely be who he’d choose from for the NLDS 25-man.People love Dom Brown. I love Dom Brown. I’m very excited for the day when he contributes and/or lives up to some of the hype that just grew and grew and grew. But he’d add nothing to the postseason roster in 2011. He wouldn’t play. Could he pinch-run? Sure, but Pete Orr is just as fast and in a short series, who is to say Orr would be a worse pinch-hitting option?

The one reason you would want to get Brown on the playoff roster is to re-build some of his confidence. Give him those heart-pounding moments again. When he was demoted following the Hunter Pence trade, Brown went down to Lehigh Valley and struggled. Probably due in part to his heart not being in it. That sense of entitlement he has to the major leagues needs to go, and it won’t help Brown’s development to continue to send mixed signals.

Jay Floyd: No, Domonic Brown should not be included on the Phillies’ postseason roster unless manager Charlie Manuel begins using Brown a considerable amount over the final 9 days of the regular season. As things stand now, the 24-year-old Brown has been the odd man out, as at bats that could be suited for Brown are going to John Bowker and others.

Even before rejoining the Phillies last week, Brown slumped so much down the stretch, for the IronPigs, that he was benched for two of the team’s seven playoff games. Additionally, in the recent action that Brown did see for Lehigh Valley, he was only used as a designated hitter or a pinch hitter, which means he hasn’t played the outfield since August 29th.

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  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    It’s a damn shame not to have Brown on the playoff roster. Is he a part of this team or not. He has contributed much more than Bowker and has much more power. Stupid not having him be a part of this. It’s like he is being ostracized from the organization. Phillies are sometimes cruel and stupid.

  • Posts: 549 Brian Sr. of CO

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    I agree, I would rather have Brown on the roster than Bowker, or even Moss. I find the opposite though of “why do fans and management seem to hate Domonic Brown so much”. I ask, why do so many people love the kid. He has some of the stats, but he doesn’t seem to play with the same heart and gusto as others, whether it is Mayberry (who I believe will have a better career, but thats just opinion), or even Raul. Having said that, I agree by strictly looking at the 3 splits, Raul and Brown have put up similar numbers, not going into the things stated as baserunning and fielding. Having said that, Dom’s baserunning has been brought into question with hustle and heart. What is the big difference IMO between Dom and Raul…Raul is on the back end of his career. Chances are this is his last season. Dom is supposed to be the future of the franchise according to many, however, he just hasn’t seem to show it. He and Mayberry had similar opportunities, but Mayberry made more of his opportunities. I recently heard that the Phillies are sending Dom to an Instructional Leagues over the winter. Is that true? I have no idea on that one. If Dom can shorten his swing, and add a little hustle to his game, he will be fine, but regardless, I would rather have Brown then Bowker or Moss.

    • Posts: 0 roy stauffer

      if used for pinch running yes other than that they should trade him and get what they can he will never be the player they hoped for

  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    brown should definitely be on the playoff roster. if to be used as a pinch runner only.

  • Posts: 1147 betasigmadeltashag

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    I do not see the fans hating Brown. And if it is Bowker or Brown on the roster then it would be Brown. And Gload only leads the league in pinch hits, Yea I get that someone has to run for him for the most part, and he has lost most of his power, but he can come off the bench and hit. I also think the comparision with JMJ very improtent, JMJ was sent down work on his swing and his stance at the plate and when given the oppertunity he has shown he can play. He has also shown he can come off the bench and pinch hit. When Brown was sent down he seemed to pout and not show any improvment. I think he should go to instructional league and get his head back in the game. If Brown can not deal with being sent down when he was not performing he will not be able to deal with the long MLB season. Just my opionion

  • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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    A friend and I have been discussing this the last few weeks. It’s his feeling, and now mine as well, that Dominic Brown should be traded this offseason. In fact he should have been traded last offseason when his value was higher. It’s a shame that Ed Wade wouldn’t bite on him, we may have been able to save someone else the organization valued. I wish the guy a long prosperous career, but it’s going to take a miracle for that to happen here. Maybe there is a personality conflict, or another misunderstanding of some sort, but one way or the other, we have holes to fill and don’t seem to want him. Trade him now to get what prospects we can back, before you tarnish his reputation completely, lessening his value any further.

    • Posts: 0 roy stauffer

      well said and on the spot

  • Posts: 0 Sandy Durso

    Amaro was on comcast yesterday when the season is over Brown is going to be sent to instructional to learn how to play left field . So the only way he would see any action in the playoffs is in the event of injury to another player if the Phillies make it past the Divisional Round. These were Rueban Amaro’s words.

    • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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      Sandy, thats understandable and it’s likely he wont be there. But that doesn’t mean we can’t opine on whether or not Brown deserves a spot.

      I think he was jerked around all too much this year…there is still a lot of belief in the organization that he’ll be a top notch player.

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    That Bowker dude cant hit Brown is better at that plate an has more speed. Other than occasional pinch hitting/running or god forbid an injury i dont see Cholly going to his Bench much. Gload is a hobbled man but his knowledge at that plate over our other Bench people is superior. Well take that single other than the strike out or pop out.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Sorry boys but I have been saying forever that D. Brown will be somewhere else in the future. This guy has an attitude problem. Got booed at a AAA game. He was not hustling. He did the same thing with the big club if you remember. He also jogged for a ball in the corner that costs us a run. His bat cant hit major league pitching. Average outfielder at best. Mayberry is a much more talented kid. Mayberry, Vic, Pence. Get rid of Raul, Lidge, Oswalt, Blanton, and Poly. Should clear room to get Jimmy, Hamels signed. Then go after a younger third baseman. Madson I would not go crazy to sign. In his 30 s and no upside. He is a ok closer. Not great.

    This team needs to start winning again. Get some life back in them. We cant go in this way.

    • Posts: 549 Brian Sr. of CO

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      I wish I could disagree, but I think you are dead on.

    • Posts: 0 roy stauffer

      some good points and i agree with you on d brown

    • Posts: 0 Mike

      If the scenario you propose were in fact put into place, which is obviously a bit premature considering the post season hasn’t even started, who would close? What if Poly and Raul go off during the playoffs and lead us to another series title? I do agree with the pitchers you mentioned though.
      So in my mind Poly stays, Mayberry goes to left, Worley throws fourth, and Jroll and Hamels get their money. Lidge, Blanton, Oswalt and Raul (if they don’t retire), and D Brown should be enough to bring in better middle relief and a stud closer.

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    Michael, you said that it wasn’t “senseless Raul-bashing” but you just HAD to make some kind of negative comment, didn’t you?

    Honestly, I hope Raul is World Series MVP….if for no other reason than to shut some of you Raul-haters up.

  • Posts: 549 Brian Sr. of CO

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    Chuck A. you must have forgotten when some people like to call Raul. Corpse. A Corpse hitting 30+ doubles for 10 straight years, and another year of 20+ homers seems ok. If He is the biggest hole to fill on the Phillies and the biggest weakness, that is a HUGE compliment to rest of the Phillies as he hustles, has heart, plays hard and can still put up some decent XBH numbers honestly.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I didn’t think that what Mike said was meant to be a negative comment, rather one to support why Brown might deserve a shot ….. I’m a firm believer in cheering for everyone on your team …. some people seem to want our own players to struggle at times just to be able to say “I told you so” (not Mike… but others that comment on this site)

    I’m past the point of caring about people that aren’t big fan of Ibanez…. because in reality, he’s obviously on the way out, plays lousy defense, has a weak arm, and when he’s in a cold stretch at the plate – he looks terrible …

    BUT… when he’s hot, he can carry the team, which we’ve seen from him before.. and will hopefully see again in a stretch of postseason games. Obviously Brown has never had that extended opportunity, but next season should be that chance ..

    Chuck ….. I think you need to stop trying to defend Raul, and stop taking it so personally when people say something that isn’t comparable to singing his praises.. I like Raul but think he should sit against LHP in favor of Mayberry.. Most of the fans like the guy and want him to succeed, but its not hard to see that this could be his last season as a major leaguer … unless he wants to do some occassional DH in the AL somewhere

  • Posts: 0 Khoury

    Jeff, you said that you wouldn’t sign madson b/c he’s over 30 and has no upside, so why would you sign Rollins when you have Freddy Galvis (who finally learned how to hit) ready to contribute to the major leagues next season? as for brown; I love the kid, think he’s going to be a great player if he can get his head in the game more and learns the work ethic befitting a team like the phillies, but I don’t think he should be on the postseason roster this year. However, I do believe he will find his way onto the roster, only b/c our other options–gload, bowker, etc–are equally if not more of a liability to their respective roles.

    • Posts: 10 LuckyNucky

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      Dom Brown is really confused right now. I don’t think it has to do with work ethic, but he definitely is not focusing. Whoever was the batting Instructor has turned him up-side down. IMO… Putting him on the playoff roster could create more mania for this young player.

      Bowker is a joke, plain and simple. He does not know how to be a pinch-hitter. Don’t know what the Phils saw in his ability.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Brown has a poor work ethic ??

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    Don, it just seems to me that Mike, more often than not, makes some kind of negative reference to Raul. Maybe this time it WAS just more of a point of comparison, but Mike’s track record from previous posts is there.

    Does Raul suck at times?? Sure. We all know that this is it for him as a Phillie. And I agree 100% that he needs to sit against most lefties not named John Lannan. I just can’t understand why some people constantly find the need to bash someone that absolutely carries this team at times.

    I hardly think I’m taking this criticism “personally”. …. but perhaps it comes off that way. I just want to see him succeed, help the Phillies win and have him go out a winner with that ring that he deserves.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    when your team is this good…. the flaws stick out that much more ….. Ibanez is one of the weak spots (who ,like anyone, can carry us at times)

    Its the same reason there is so much crap towards Howard and Hamels …. people try to find any flaws at all to point-out …. and lets be honest, it wouldn’t be any fun to come on here and all agree that the Phillies are the greatest thing ever and that all 25 players are perfect players .. but as a TEAM so far… they’ve been great..

    and we all hope it continues (except for “Original Jeff” … the Yankees fan that posts on here)

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Cant count on Galvis yet as far as hitting. He has had only a half season or so at AAA yes he did good but only a half season worth. Before that he wasnt that good at the plate. Basically he just started hitting good. I would like them to possibly get rid of Polly next year get a younger guy an possibly trade him from some prospects. Raul isnt coming back i wouldnt think next year.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Whats up with all the random comments going on articles from like July ??? spam-action?

  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Yes I stand behind not bringing back Madson. He is not a dominate closer. This team wins when Jimmy is going good.

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Bring back Madson everyone thought Bastardo will be a good closer because he had a few good innings. Now he is struggling which happens with most young guys. Madson is a veteran an experienced in high pressure situations. This bullpen will probably have to be rebuilt up from ground up next year might as well have Madson as your foundation. This is assuming he will ask for a respectable contract im willing to say as much as 9.5 Mil a year no more.

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  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Dom Brown is like a football player trying to play baseball. I was excited to watch him play at the major league level and understand he is a raw rookie. However, his lazy play and bone headed mistakes make me wary that he will ever be anything but what his “natural athleticism” allows. After all, after watching him play, we went out to get Pence, and he was replaced by a player who hustles every day and every play. I am not sure that Dom got the message. Unless he demonstrates some flat out, 100% effort, he will not last in our town (and shouldn’t). He has no grasp of “smart” baseball and you just cannot fix stupid or lazy. I hope Dom becomes the player we have heard about, but HE needs to make some changes that he may or may not be able to make before he wins me back.

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