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Oswalt, Lidge Options Declined by Phillies

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, October 24, 2011 04:24 PM | Comments: 25
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Roy Oswalt. (Photo: AP)

From the Phillies:

The Phillies officially declined the 2012 options for the contracts of right-handed pitchers Brad Lidge and Roy Oswalt, the club announced today.

“While we will not pick up either of their options, we will remain in contact with representatives for both players about the possibility of bringing them back for the 2012 season,” said Senior Vice President & General Manager Ruben Amaro Jr.  “Brad and Roy both made significant contributions to the Phillies over the past several seasons.”

Lidge, 34, went 0-2 with one save and a 1.40 ERA in 25 appearances for the Phillies in 2011.  He struck out 23 batters in 19.1 innings, an average of 10.7 strikeouts per 9.0 innings pitched.  In four seasons (2008-11) with Philadelphia, Lidge posted a 3-11 record with 100 saves and a 3.73 ERA.  In 22 postseason appearances, he went 1-1 with 12 saves in 12 opportunities and a 1.77 ERA.

Oswalt, also 34, went 9-10 with a 3.69 ERA in 23 starts for the Phillies this past season.  In 36 regular season games (35 starts) since being acquired from the Houston Astros on July 29, 2010, he was 16-11 with a 2.96 ERA.

Opinion: I think Ruben Amaro will make a strong play for both men. Lidge is in one-year territory at less than $2 million these days, and I’m not sure teams will be lining up for him with his injury past. Maybe he feels he owes it to the team and will take a minumum contract or a minor league deal.

As for Oswalt, there is always a market for starting pitching, and while he is no longer an Ace, he can be a very good pitcher for several more years. As long as that back doesn’t act up…

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  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Good moves. Both players deserve much less than their options.

     
  • Posts: 0 David

    Obvious moves to make. I don’t think either will be signed by the Phillies. I think the Phillies will add Kendrick or Blanton to the rotation so I don’t think they will look to resign Oswalt. Oswalt would probably be a Number 2 starter on some teams and those teams would probably be willing to pay him more than the Phillies. Regarding Brad Lidge, he was spectacular in 2008, very shaky in 2009 and the beginning of 2010, spectacular at the end of 2010 and injured in 2011. He is one of those players like Pedro Martinez- you sign him and take a chance if you can get him cheap enough.

     
  • Posts: 0 phil

    I would like to see the phillies make a push at both players for less than market value. Oswalt 2 years and $8mm per and lidge 1 year at league minimum with incentives that can bring it to $3mm sounds good.

     
    • Posts: 385 Publius

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      While you’re at it, why not wish to sign Prince Fielder for $2mil as a bench bat and CC Sabathia as closer for $5mil? Yeesh.

      I’d happily give Oswalt around $10mil base with an escalator clause that gets more expensive as he throws over 150 IP. He’s been quietly amazing as a Phillie and if he’s up for it, the Phils should be too.

      As for Lidge, try to re-sign him cheaply and also hint that he *might* be the closer if/when Madson leaves. If he wants anything north of $4mil, let him go.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    I would like to see Oswalt back for the right price though. Certainly nothing over 10 Mil (a year) possibly 2 year contract. Not sure what we will get out of Blanton next year he would be a nice insurance policy. I do feel Lidge owes us something but how he feels about it a different question. Im thinking Blanton is going to have one of them years where he sucks and gets moved to bullpen AKA Myers.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob D

    Lidge is more likely to return on a 1 year with incentives and that would be fine.

    Oswalt should get a chance elsewhere unless Kendrick is non-tendered and/or Blanton parts ways (unlikely). However the team will need 6 – 7 starters as each year they always do and having Blanton/Kendrick as a backup is a good position for the Phils to be in. There are no legit top starters in AAA that would be ready to fill in. There are some real good pitchers at A and AA who could make a jump to AAA or even to the Phils and likely do well. The Phils will likely bring in an experienced arm or two to AAA as insurance any way.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Oswalt doesn’t wanna play baseball anymore and Lidge can’t play baseball anymore. Lets move on.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Frank Riccard

      Oswalt officially announced toward the end of the regular season that he would definitely be playing somewhere in 2012.

      http://phillysportsdaily.com/phillies/2011/09/23/roy-oswalt-plans-to-pitch-in-2012/

      The guy had a down year, but started to get it back together towards the end. I could see him coming back to the Phils on a 1 yr + mutual option, or 2 year deal. However, as everyone knows, even mediocre starting pitchers are in demand, so Little Roy could really end up anywhere.

       
    • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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      Not sure where you got the info on Oswalt, but sorry bro, you would be wrong. He has said publically he wants to play again, and he wanted to be back in Philly, but would play elsewhere.

       
  • Posts: 0 George

    Oswalt could be useful. Teams always need rotation depth, and the Phils need that particularly, given Blanton’s forearm.

    Lidge, however, is a different matter. He’s throwing mostly sliders now, and when batters realize that, they’ll either wait on that pitch and knock the daylights out of it, or they’ll let it go by for ball four. Unless he finds his lost fastball or learns a new pitch, Lidge is little more than a crafty lefthander with a quarter of the pitches. Trouble is, he’s not left handed and has never been very crafty. If he’s re-signed, so be it; it just better not be for more than $1 million.

     
  • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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    “Lidge is little more than a crafty lefthander with a quarter of the pitches. Trouble is, he’s not left handed and has never been very crafty.”

    Well stated sir, thanks for the laugh!

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Pass on both.

    No need for Oswalt. There was no need for him last year. Would have liked to seen Worley start the game he started in the playoffs too.
    Halladay Lee Hamels Worley KK is enough.

    Lidge a s a bit player on some roster is possible. Really if its here or somewhere else doesnt matter to me. Like bringing back Herndon isnt really on my radar either.

     
  • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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    We still have Blanton. If Blanton is healthy, I highly doubt Worley or KK will start in front of Blanton. Oswalt would be a good sign anything south of 10Mil. Lidge never should have been above 5. LOL. Lidge south of 4Mil. I have a feeling both will be gone, but I would live to have Oswalt back, if he would agree to less than 10Mil. Doubtful. The problem with both of them is not skill or desire. It is injury, and their BAD habit to try to play through injury, and getting completely lit up at times. If I had to choose between Lidge and Herndon, I say Lidge, but I am not really a Herndon fan honestly.

     
    • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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      Gag me with roughage… JB!

       
      • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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        LOL. While KK had a good year, IF JB is healthy (thats a pretty big IF), I would tend to think JB would do better in the rotation with KK as the long man in the bullpen. Worley to me earned the #4 spot over both of them, but that is if he does not hit a sophemore slump like KK did, or like JA Happ did in Houston!

         
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Another thing do we want the Yanks or possibly a division rival pick up Oswalt. Then in turn he has a fantastic year.

     
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    Lidge was actually pretty good late in the season and, as has been mentioned on here a few times, could be a nice veteran presence on a very young bullpen staff……especially if Madson leaves. Kids like Bastardo, Stutes, Schwimer, DeFratus and maybe Aumont could only benefit from his leadership. But…….I think it has to be only a one year deal or a minor league deal for cheap.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Lidge was actually SURPRISINGLY good late in the season, given his predictable stuff. However, I don’t think he will continue fooling batters with his constant barrage of sliders. His fastball has to be perfectly commanded these days, and fastball command has never been his strong suit.

       
  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    I like Lidge a lot, really but truth be told he does not have much left in the talent box , its mostly from his gut that he has pitched – one of the reasons I like him so much.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I am fine with a starting rotation of Halladay, Lee, Hamels, and then a group of pitchers fighting over the 4th and 5th spots. That is pretty much what happened this year and we ended up with the best record in baseball.

    If Lidge is willing to take the hit then bringing him back as a cheap bullpen piece. That is fine with me.

    I would much rather see money spent on improving our every day lineup if at all possible and extending Hamels.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      That’s not at all what happened. The Phils started the year with a set five man rotation, which injuries disrupted. Worley and Kendrick weren’t fighting for anything, because Worley wasn’t even on the 25 man and Kendrick was assigned to the bullpen. It just happened that when the injuries happened, Worley had an amazing run. He could just as easily turned out to be a dud, and the Phils might not even have won the division.

       
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  • Posts: 0 George

    I’m still for at least trying to sign Oswalt. It’s fine to say that the final spots can be fought over, but filling two rotation spots from three arms is a recipe for disaster. One injury and the team is down to two arms for two spots. Two injuries, as they had for much of 2011, and they’d really be in trouble.

    Blanton may or may not be healthy (he wasn’t using one of his pitches because that one still caused some discomfort) and I really doubt if Worley has another season and doesn’t suffer from the “sophomore jinx.” Kendrick is Kendrick, effective maybe just a tiny bit more than he’s ineffective. Despite his back, Oswalt is still probably the more of “sure thing” than these others. He still has good stuff and he has years of experience.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    They’re both aging veterans with long histories of injuries. Just the kind of players that RAJ seems to love…

     
  • Posts: 58 LCMRSalazar85

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    Lidge, I’d rather pass on. He’s the new Rheal Cormier of baseball. We don’t need to use a roster spot for an extreme situation. La Russa would probably take him. Oswalt would be better as a middle reliever. KK’s time in Philly needs to conclude. He gave me the same feeling Jose Mesa gave me when came into a game towards the end of his ‘career’ here.

     
 
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