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Phillies Nation TV – Episode 5: Phillies Plan for ’12

Posted by Brian Michael, Mon, October 17, 2011 08:30 AM | Comments: 26
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In this episode, Pat and Corey discuss the Phillies plans for the 2012 season – current salaries, prospective free agents and Ryan Howard’s injury. There is also a new segment – Rant of the Week – where viewers can call in to our hotline – (267) 702-0097.

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  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    There must be a problem with my sound card. I almost thought I heard the words “bring Lidge back” uttered.

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      Well why would it be a bad idea if he took a minimum or minor league 1-year deal? You can never have too many relievers. Not advocating he should close. He’s not a closer anymore.

       
      • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

        It’s obvious to everyone that he has nothing left. Isn’t it time to move on from some of these guys? I get the fact that there’s a warm and fuzzy feeling about players from the 2008 team, but Lidge isn’t going to help this team in the 7th, 8th, or 9th innings, so what would be the point?

         
      • Posts: 579 Brian Michael

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        Yea, I thought you meant as a closer and had the same uneasy feeling.

        I think he did fine in his minimal role this year.

         
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    I don’t have a warm, fuzzy feeling about any of these guys. But if you sign a guy to a cheap contract and you give him a shot to work out as a middle reliever, I don’t see how it’s a bad thing. If they move on from Lidge, that’s fine too, I won’t be upset. But if they offered him a minor league deal, I don’t see why that would be the worst thing in the world. His slider still has plenty of bite and his fastball hit 90 at times.

     
    • Posts: 1189 Manny

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      Better than Marcum’s 86mph one, that’s for sure.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Did people even watch baseball this year ??? Down the stretch (when he got healthy) Lidge was the best reliever not named MADSON on this team …

    I dont think you can get Lidge for a minor league deal… somebody will give him a few million to be an 8th-9th inning guy … I’d like it to be us, since the rest of the pen will be so young, I think its a good thing to have a veteran pressence there .. and who knows what Madson will command, but I dont think that $12 M for a closer is a good use of money right now .. we need a consistent bat

     
  • Posts: 2948 Chuck A.

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    Brad Lidge certainly wasn’t the Phillies worst problem this year. I have no problem with entertaining the thought of him coming back and mentoring some of the newer guys. Kids like Stutes, DeFratus and Schwimer have a good shot at making the team and someone like Lidge could be a stabalizing force for them.

     
  • Posts: 4325 Lefty

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    I’m not in favor of re-signing a cheaper Brad Lidge, but not because of performance or getting younger. Since the talk is having him be a middle to late reliever, I really think we need to look for left-handers. One southpaw in the pen is not enough, and it’s getting to the point in the majors where having three isn’t a bad strategy either.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I wonder what the long-term plan for Bastardo is ?? He wasn’t mentioned by Amaro as a possible closer of the future (DeFratus and Aumonte)… so I wonder how they view him?

     
  • Posts: 2948 Chuck A.

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    I always thought that Bastardo was thought of as “closer material” should Madson not be re-signed. I guess not if Amaro didn’t mention him in that way. Maybe with his troubles down the stretch the organization is taking a different approach with him?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I know that we all thought that … and assumed if Madson was back as closer, they’d likely give the job to Bastardo

    but with Amaro saying that if its not Madson, the closer wouldn’t come from inside the organization ….. and then said that in the future, they view DeFratus and Aumonte as guys that could potentially do that job

     
  • Posts: 1189 Manny

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    I think signing Madson should be a priority. What kind of bullpen are we gonna have without him? He’s been our best guy out of the pen for 4 years in a row… We need at least one constant for next year’s pen –someone we can expect to perform at a high level.

    Sure, he might be expensive… but let’s not forget about his desire to stay in Philly and the fact that he’ll be playing for a contender. I don’t think he’s just in for the money… and even if he is, I think the Phillies can (and should) match –or come close to– an offer by another team. I doubt that someone will give him more than 3 years. Honestly, I don’t see how 3 years for a guy like him (young, in his prime!!) is too much. Sign the guy.

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Good stuff on Phillies Nation TV from Pat and Cory, as usual. One small picky criticism, the background noise was annoying. But another fine job by the “talent”

    Regarding Lidge, I would not mind bringing him back. He showed that he can pitch indeed. I do not think he is that sturdy, but he could be a real asset in the bullpen. However, a deep discount is in order with Lidge.

     
  • Posts: 45 JakeyJ

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    The bullpen and closer positions are big question marks going into next season. Why would Amaro even make a statement like that right now? Did he say that in his last press conference? I missed that. Hopefully, we keep Madson,but we don’t know how high the price for that may go. If Madson walks, why not wait till next spring and see what we’ve got then to make that decision. Even if you bring in another potential closer during the off season,it makes no sense to shut out Bastardo or anyone presently with the Phils from a shot at closer. Phillies Nation TV is great but are you experimenting with different microphones? Some episodes are loud and clear while a few have a lot of background noise. It almost sounds like you recorded some with directional or clip on mikes and others with a omnidirectional mike nearby. The content and questions you cover is definitely very good so keep up the good work.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Manny… what I heard was that there are a lot of closers on the market this year, including Papelbon, Madson, maybe Valverde, Cordero , etc ..

    Madson has Boras as his agent, which generally means they are seeking top dollar … and I heard last week that Madson has been getting a house built in California? ….and possibly unrelated, the Angels may or may not be looking for a closer after Walden blew 10 saves this year …

    part of the thinking with Lidge is you can maybe do Lidge cheap, with another cheap veteran (maybe a lefty).. combine them with Bastardo, Stutes, Scwimer, DeFratus, and all of a sudden you’ve spread your money out a lot better, hopefully to use to resign a certain SS .. a position which doesn’t have much depth this offseason

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Yeah, we had to go without our regular cameras and mics the past couple of times. The guys who normally help have been out of town, so hopefully we’ll be back to that soon.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Im not on the bring Lidge back badwagon. Every time he comes in everyone cringes that he’ll walk the bases loaded. I dont think he will accept a minor league deal and i dont think hell come cheap. Bastardo was shaky the last month of the season. I would like to see some veterans on the bullpen. Ideally i would like to see Madson back however any of the top available relievers would do. I dont see Papelbon on this team but who knows. He kind of reminds me of the T-O situation with the Beagles. They do need another left arm out of the bullpen. I dont believe 1 is enough and Cholly even said at one point he would like another. If Bastardo gets hurt that would leave the bullpen without a lefty. The Phils in the past like Veterans especially Veteran bullpen guys and closers. Dont forget we still have Contreras in the mix as well.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Ps…i also agree with what you said i dont see the offense changing much. These are old players now and i dont think they will change much. I think Polly can be a .300 hitter and he was bought in to stabilize the line. Unfortunately injuries got to him. More strangely than the Lidge idea is to bring back Raul. No way Jose…NO! As a side note Rizzoti numbers come from AA he had only a few bats at the AAA level and hit .200 if im reading that right.

     
  • Posts: 31 Gavin

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    What about signing J.C. Romero as a lefty out of the bullpen. And why not give Lidge a lower salary and give him a chance as a closer.

    And for first base, the idea to go for Utley at first Polly at second and Betemit at third sounds really good to me. Though I don’t think that’ll happen.

     
  • Posts: 512 Bruce

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    As many of you have mentioned, since it appears thart management is looking for the fountain of youth with the young arms (and with little experience) in the bullpen for next season, it would be a good idea to keep Lidge as a veteran presence. He has shown to be still effective with his nasty slider mixed with the fastball that goes into 90′s mph. The only question about him is his consistency with location of his pitches. However, if the Phillies can keep him as cost effective, do so!

    As for Madson, we all want him back and I do hope the Phillies will make every effort to give him a decent offer. Hopefully, there will not be a bidding war among owners and GMs for his service. It may be wishful thinking.

    Yes, the bullpen should be the Phillies’ top priorty this offseason. Not only in trying to keep Madson and Lidge, but obviously to fulfill a need for another lefthanded reliever. If you watch and took notice in the NLCS, the key to their success in this series for the NL Champions, the Cardinals is the …BULLPEN. In last night’s game, La Russa’s magnificent bullpen allow only 2 runs and 3 hits over the final 7 innings. The Cardinal relievers were used so often in this series that they worked more innings than the starters. The relievers held the Brewer’s batters to a .155 average while compiling a 1.88 E.R.A. So much for all that hype about the Brewers’ offense.

    Amaro, are you paying attention to the Card’s success?

     
  • Posts: 4325 Lefty

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    MLBTR is reporting that Jayson Werth is trying to “sell” Madson to come to the Nationals.

     
  • Posts: 880 betasigmadeltashag

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    I am not saying a closer is that importent, but I really think with the young kids in the pen with a year under their belts and a full off season knowing what is like to get through a full year on the major league level.They will not tire like they did in the end,(Bastardo and Stutes speciidicly) I really think Bastardo will be fine and will be a great closer if not 2012 than 2013.
    As for first base, I really think you can put Riz or Overbeck at first and see what they can do especially if it is just for a month or two. With the rotation they Phillies will have even with out Little Roy, assuming they are not picking up his option. They will still win there share of games and have a chance to win 95-100 games even with a bad offense.

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Gavin, Frankly, I like your thinking regarding Betemit. He is no wizzard with a glove, but he does have some power, is a switch hitter and after Howard comes back, Betemit could fill in at three infield positions. Creative problem-solving. However, I would really like to see Aramis Ramiriz, but the cost would be high — too HIGH, I think.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    If Madson comes back they wont need a veteran to mentor the younger bullpen guy. So they wont need Lidge to hang around and do that. Sounds like Baez all over again

     
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