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Phillies Season Ends with 1-0 Loss to Carpenter, Cardinals

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sat, October 08, 2011 12:40 AM | Comments: 63
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The St. Louis Cardinals squeaked their way into the postseason. They’ve done the same to get to the National League Championship Series.

In Game 5 of the National League Division Series, Chris Carpenter one-upped his good friend Roy Halladay, throwing a three-hit shutout in the Cardinals 1-0 victory over the Phillies. St. Louis will now take on their division rivals, the Milwaukee Brewers, in the NLCS.

Carpenter dazzled the Phillies, allowing just three hits over nine innings. He struck out just three, but induced 15 groundball outs in the win, the sixth of his career in the postseason. He allowed just one Phillie to reach third base and did not walk a batter.

It was a complete turnaround for the Cardinals ace from a rocky outing in Game 2; one in which he was pulled after only three innings – although his team did pull out a 5-4 win.

But in Game 5, it was all Carpenter from the get-go. Cardinals Manager Tony LaRussa believes this is a game that will stand out for his pitcher and the fans.“I think he’ll remember this forever and so will the Cardinal fans, going into this game against Halladay and winning 1-0.”

Carpenter himself was in awe of the performances on both sides.

“First of all, it as an unbelievable night. First, Roy Halladayis probably at this time the best pitcher in the game, and we came out and were able to jump on him early and get a quick run, which was huge,” said Carpenter.

In the five-game series, Philadelphia actually outscored St. Louis 21-19. But over the final 20 innings, the Phillies managed just three total runs. Philadelphia’s offense was held without a run in 32 of their final 35 innings.

Halladay was the tough-luck loser, allowing just six hits on Friday night, while striking out seven in eight innings. His only blemish came in the opening inning.

Rafael Furcal started off Game 5 the same way he began Game 2 against Cliff Lee; with a triple to center field.  Skip Schumaker then knocked him in with an RBI double down the right field line to put St. Louis ahead, 1-0. Schumaker would get thrown out by Chase Utley trying to advance to third base on a bloop hit by Albert Pujols. The first inning continued to be a bit of a mess as Pujols moved up on a wild pitch and Lance Berkman reached on catcher interference. Halladay got out of it by getting Matt Holliday to foul out and Yadier Molina to ground into a fielders choice.

After a 33 pitch first inning, Halladay would settle down in the second, throwing just nine. He would retire 19 of the next 22.

The Phillies did threaten in the fourth inning with runners on first and third with two outs, but could not capitalize. Raul Ibanez ended it with a fly out to the right field warning track. After that, more of the same – bad at-bats and very few hard-hit balls.

All told, Halladay tossed a career playoff-high 126 pitches. After a franchise-record 102 wins for the Phillies, a sullen Halladay said that falling short of the ultimate goal is not easy to take.

“It’s tough to describe. You know, you feel like it’s right there and we’ve got a chance to do it, and we came up short.”

Charlie Manuel reiterated that feeling. “I feel very empty. I feel like we’ve had support from our fans, and it’s kind of hard. I don’t really know what to say.

In what may have been his final game with the Phillies, impeding free agent Jimmy Rollins finished 0-for-4. It’s also likely the final game for Raul Ibanez and Brad Lidge, among others.

Ryan Howard, who struck out to end the 2010 NLCS against the San Francisco Giants, grounded out to second base to end the game and appeared to twist his left ankle. He was helped off the field by his teammates as the Cardinals celebrated in front of him. According to Comcast SportsNet it is a left achillies tendon injury, and an MRI has been scheduled. The severity of the injury will not be known until after the MRI.

Howard, who used crutches in the clubhouse, went 0-for-4 and did not have a hit over his final 15 at-bats in the series.

“I was trying to run and I just felt this pop,” Howard said. “The whole thing went numb, like it was on fire. They think it might be torn. I’m probably going to have to have surgery.”

Howard will again have another long offseason to think about the shortcoming in the playoffs that have killed him in back to back seasons. If it is a torn tendon, he could be out 6-12 months.

On the hill, it came down to Carpenter and Halladay, and it was Carpenter that helped his team slide into the next round of the playoffs after making into the postseason on the last day of the regular season.

For the Phillies, it came down to not hitting the ball and falling short once again. It’s a tough pill to swallow, to allow a 2-games-to-1 advantage slip away. But things like this can happen in a short series. And the fear of many came to fruition on Friday night. The Phillies – quite possibly the better team – we’re outdone by the hotter team.

In the clubhouse following the game, Halladay looked like a beaten, tired man, but did continue to talk about the future and how they’ll never stop fighting for a World Series title. Halladay began to get emotional and, of course, gave praise to the fans who have supported the Phillies all year.

“This is by far the greatest place I’ve ever played – and the greatest fans that I’ve ever been around. That was as loud as I’ve ever heard it here. It was really a special feeling to be out there and have the fans behind you like that. I was just trying to go pitch to pitch and do everything I could.  But it was really electric; it was something I’ll never forget.”

The Doc gave it all he could on Friday night. And just like that a season of promise became another season of disappointment.

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  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    let’s not lose sight of the fact that roy halladay was absolutely amazing tonight. that was one great baseball game. congratulations to the cardinals.

     
    • Posts: 5 chokedagain

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      there you go ryan suck it up –
      hey maybe you’ll get a deal on that “Own October” shirt you’ve been dying to get!!! sap

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I understand everyone is hurting.

    Ironicly fitting that Howard has an injury that may cost him 2012 on the last play of the season?
    Like that pitch from Wilson last year.

    Why did he swing at 3-0 pitch in the 7th to lead off?
    Does Charlie allow this? Why is it allowed? you need to hit it hard if you swing 3-0.

    Time to move some of the older players. Rollins and Raul are gone. Try to find somoeone who wants the crippled up Chase Utley too.

    I guess it takes this to move some of the old guys. Otherwise the hoarding takes over.

    Just to COMPLETELY clear this up 100%
    The Cardinals are better than the phillies in 2011. The Giants were better than the Phillies in 2010.
    Stop listening to Chris Wheeler and the media. Im here posting you can listen to me tell you the realistic truth about the team.
    The line up was old and stale from day 1. You brought in Pence and it worked for a few a little while. But that ended.
    This is 2 years in a row the bats have failed you. Bring in 6 aces or 4 or 400.
    You have to hit and score in the playoffs.
    This line up is easily defensed and maneuvered around.
    A 4th grader could bring in a leftie to pitch to Howard late in a game.
    Only our manager will leave Howard in (with his .312 slg vs lefties). So he is not as smart as a 4th grader.

    Why was Polanco in the line up at all tonight? Every one knew it would be 4 weak grounders? Or did they? I guess our manager didnt.
    Why was Oswalt starting game 4 over Worley?

    Our old school manager is married to these players. He just keeps riding these horses into the ground. As each year they make it less furthur and less furthur around the track.

    Do people think next year will be better without some major overhauls?
    No it will only get worse.
    Ive seen this story before. Old crippled players get worse not better.
    You can wish and wish and pray and pray but it doesnt change reality.

    Enjoyed the season here on the nation.
    Are some good people here. They need to loosen up and let people criticize and be realistic.
    Believe me I HATE being right about this team.

    But I usualy am.
    Time to say good bye to alot of the old sacrid cows.
    And get some young guys in here.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      sorry but you are completely wrong. the playoffs and WS simply do not determine the best team. the cardinals ARE NOT better than the phillies this year just like the giants WERE not last year.

       
      • Posts: 0 Mac Miller

        We all love our teams, but to say that even though Team A or team B beat your team in the playoffs your team is still better, that’s going beyond The Good Fan. Now you’re just whining.

         
      • Posts: 5 chokedagain

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        Let me get this straight. phillies lose but still the best team???
        Really?
        Fluke? Back to back?
        Wow man maybe they should just drop the playoffs???
        Who ever signs the most expensive players should win – good call chief…

         
    • Posts: 0 dave

      You are wrong, like ryan said. The cards are not the better team. Did they win, yes but they didn’t win because they were better. The Giants were not the better team last year. They had the same line up and even added a bat and still failed to make the post season. It was a fluke. Just like it will be seen from the Cards next year. Carpenter pitched his ass off tonight. Good for him. We lost because they were hotter than us. And as for oswalt, he is a proven post season pitcher. Worley is not. I like Worley and he has a bright future..but Oswalt should still be picked in a game over Worley everytime.

       
      • Posts: 5 chokedagain

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        yeah dave totally agree – phillies LOST but still the greatest. how is that?
        no more playoffs???
        Just go by the signing of players and award 1 – to the Yank$$ cause on paper they are the best.
        And one to the phillies cause your absolutely right – on paper – amazing.
        On the field different story but what does that matter? playoffs are a joke right?
        Maybe they should give the trophy to the GM’s? Or maybe the banks the owners deposit their money?
        Help me out here dave what do you think? Cause obviously you seem really bright!

         
    • Posts: 0 Chevy14Man

      Andrew has hit the nail right on the head, for the most part.

      I still believe that we were better than the Cardinals and Giants, but that we got OUTPLAYED by both. That’s the word I think he’s looking for.

      I do want to add something though:

      Ryan Howard needs to go.

      As the Cards fan that I was watching the game with put it: “We built our lineup upon the rock-solid foundation of Pujols. Howard…not to say that he’s like paper, but he sure isn’t rock-solid. More like sand.”

      At this point, I really don’t give a damn how great Howard is in the regular season. I think we all know that this pitching alone could probably get us into the playoffs. What I care about is how he went 0-for-18 after the Game 1 HR. Like Andrew said, this is the second time in the past two years that our inability to hit has seen us exit stage right early. Outside of that homer, Howard himself has failed to deliver a clutch performance in the postseason since the 2009 NLCS.

      As far as I’m concerned, this is one of those “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” situations. Ruben better pick up on that if he wants to ever have another shot at the World Series again.

      To the Nation:

      We have two options.

      We can either sit around with all of these puzzle pieces, and watch them crumble and decay in a successive, ever-disappointing string of postseason eliminations, like what happened tonight.

      Or we could go out and find the best young hitters in the game, and get ourselves another title within 3 years.

      There are no ifs, and, or buts about it though:

      WE NEED OFFENSE.

      Don’t expect to win another title without one.

      So blow it up, Ruben. Blow the whole thing up sky high. Get rid of Howard, and Utley, and Rollins, and Raul, and Placido, and everyone else who will drag down our shining ship with each passing, painful season of disappointment.

      It is indeed time to say good bye to the old sacred cows, and time to get some young guys in here.

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

        Howard uninjured is unmovable.
        He makes 25,000,000.00$ until 2016.
        With an injury? Please.

        Hes ours.

        You cant get anything for him. You know this right? If hes 100% healthy all you can do is hope another team eats some salary.

        Fans think you trade him for? What? He is our burdon.

        If you trade Howard you SEND prospects so another team eats SOME of the contract. You dont send him away for anything?

        Its a disconect that I understand most of the fans here dont get.
        You trade Howard with prospect so another team eats some of the contract. You arent trading him for prospects. You get nothing back.

        And this is all based on him being healthy. And he is not.

         
    • Posts: 0 Kelly Betz

      This is what you get with the Wildcard, and why I hate it. Selig want’s to add another wildcard team and baseball will become more and more like the NHL. We have 162 games to weed out the best from the rest of the teams and 163 if that’s not enough. If you can’t win your division you don’t belong in the post season, plain and simple. You work hard all year to win your division and some team who played so so most of the year gets hot at the end squeeks by without finishing first. This is what happens, it happens in the NHL all the time., where winning your division is a joke as well as having the best record in the league. When some 500 team who is seeded 7th or 8th gets hot at the end and wins the whole thing. What’s the point of a regular season? Well, that’s where Baseball is going as well. 162 games, for what? I’m proud to say the Phillies won their division all 5 years and was not one of those wildcard teams.

       
      • Posts: 5 chokedagain

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        i think a couple of those years or was it 3 were by Met collapses. But thats totally different right?
        What a joke – like i said before – drop the playoffs. go by the signings.
        it doesn’t matter you preach and preach and preach but then make excuse after excuse.

        yeah they won the division all right but if its on the last day of the season thats not a fluke.
        but didn’t the Giants do that last year.

        totally different though right???

         
    • Posts: 0 tom

      Andrew,
      You said what I’ve been thinking. I’ve watched theses guys since 1964. The hitting reminds me of the 1972 Phils. Steve Carlton had to provide the offense to win several games. I knew we were in trouble when Halladay, Lee, and Hamels had to win games with their bats as well.

       
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    Ryan…to just a “baseball fan” with no rooting interest it was a great baseball game. But to a Phillies fan it was not. Carpenter pitched very, very well but I really don’t feel like congratulating the Cardinals right now after just going through that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    OH my god.

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    the Phillies were better than the Cardinals this year and the Giants last year?

    The delusion.

    I was amazed last year and shocked this year. The Phillies even managed to score 11 in a game so you can say they scored more runs.

    LOL

    This really makes me laugh alot.
    And next year they will be the best team.

    This train of thought is so impossible for me. So illogical.

    But Ryan I am drinking some jack and going to watch Guns and Roses circa late 80s playing night train live.

    If you were better than the Cardinals you would have won tonight.

    This is the stuff that amazes me.

    I come to your house I bet your ass.
    But you are a better fighter.
    Just how it is.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      you must be a republican. in a world where everybody who has more deserves more. its mostly chance. the better person, the better player, the better team… does not always win. the do more often than not , but not always. there’s a great deal of chance involved.

       
    • Posts: 0 Kelly Betz

      Did the Cardnals win their division? Nope! Case closed. It has been proven in the NHL. Weaker teams that get hot at the end can beat better teams in the playoffs with the help of the wildcard.

       
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    Who the eff gives one sh!t if we’re the “best” team or not. Doesn’t matter. Giants win the WS last year and the Cards are moving on. That’s all that matters.

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

      Much respect Chuck.
      Our friend Lefty is on a ledge somewhere in Laurel Maryland. We need to worry about him.
      This site has wisely put me on some restriction where I can only post so many times a day.
      So this may be it.

      I dont come here or follow the team alot in the off season.
      It is what it is. Ill be here opening day in april.

      I was hoping for another miracle tonight and hoping for the best.
      It didnt happen. I am upset but ill be fine.
      It took me a year to get over the Giants series but I am over it.
      I was more upset last year. I expected this really.
      I wish I could be a positive fan who loves everyone and everything. I envy you guys who do that.
      My guys Shane and Carlos are as much or more to blame than anyone.

      I would give anything to be posting about Lee starting game 1 on sunday.
      I am not happy that I was right. It tears me up.

      Im taking my medication now. I have mucho empathy for Doc and Ryan.
      Its a sad day.

       
    • Posts: 3 Cody Ross

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      The Phillies are the best team… but I got my picture next to the WS trophy!

      Ali is considered the greatest fighter of all time. That didn’t seem to stop Frazier from beating his ass in 1971.

      It’s all about who’s standing when the bell rings. The Phillies are down for the count (better team or not).

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Woe is me.

    The best team 2 straight years and lost to inferiors.
    This shocks me on a level that people saying wins dont matter for starting pitchers does.

    They just beat you
    But your better.

    LOLOLOLOL
    Sorry it cracks me up.

    Maybe in the future when your better you will win?

     
    • Posts: 0 Kelly Betz

      Buddy, your a simpleton. Simple minded.

       
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    I am one of Ryan Howard’s biggest defenders on here. And for good reason. But swinging at 3-0 when it was obvious that Carpenter had a good chance of walking him was inexcusable in my opinion. Maybe moreso than looking at a called strike 3 last year. The little things always come back to bite.

     
  • Posts: 81 Tom

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    Phathetic!! After the 2nd inning of Game 2, the starting lineup accounted for only 3 runs in the remaining 33 innings of the series!! The pitching staff is fine…the starting 8 need an overhaul!! This was by far the most disappointing end to a Phils season ever…worse than Black Friday in ’77!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Jaxen

    I have no problem Howard swinging 3-0. If he walks he clogs the bases with Victorino hitting behind him. Against Carpenter in the zone you’re playing for one run, maybe two there. I’ll take the chance of Ryan trotting after homering on 3-0 rather than have him go station to station. Blame Cholly for putting Pence ahead of Ryan in the lineup instead of behind him when they were red hot right after acquiring him.

    This lineup will look a LOT different in 2012. Raul’s gone. I wouldn’t call Rollins gone a done deal yet. Not knowing Polanco’s contract status and whether we’ll have a healthy Howard in April, we definitely won’t be so lefty-heavy.

    And to look at what’s beyond right in front of our faces, unless the Cards win it all we’ll have the 10th different World Series champion in the last 11 years. So these championships are kinda tough to win. Almost as tough as winning five division titles in a row … wait a minute, we did that, too. I’ll be damned.

     
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    I have no problem with Howard swinging 3-1 but not 3-0 when Carpenter missed badly his first 3 pitches. Take a pitch. We needed baserunners. If Ryan was locked in and hot that’s one thing but he wasn’t.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Come on guys. The Cardinals are better this year and the Giants better last year.

    I guess this is my pet peave. This is the thinking that gets us into this situation.

    They are better. We need to improve the line up alot.
    You cant stand Pat.

    Its Yankee fans thinking. You arent entitled. You arent that good.
    You are a team that has progressively lost the last 3 years.
    Yankees better in 09. Giants better in 10. Cardinals better in 11.
    If the Nationals finish ahead of yuo in 2012 they are better.
    Come on now.
    Reailty? at all?

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

      fact: the 2011 phillies are greatly superior to the 2008 phillies.

       
      • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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        Fact: The 2008 Phillies won the World Series. The 2011 Phillies won 102 games.

         
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    I said this when Werth signed on with the Nats…that, in the end, he might hav the last laugh. Nats will improve. No because of Werth but they have some good young players. Almost a .500 team this season. Bryce Harper on the horizon and Strasburg back healhy. No, the Phillies cannot afford to stand pat.

     
    • Posts: 0 sportsphan

      What the Phillies literally can’t afford to do is make any new acquisitions. They’ve depleted their farm system and run their payroll to the limit. They really CAN’T make a lot of changes now.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jaxen

    The Cardinals were better than the Phillies in the first week of October.

    The Phillies were SUPERIOR to the Cardinals for the months of April, May, June, July and August. I give STL September after that little bender we went on after we clinched the East.

    So that’s 5 months for us. One month and one week for them. Doesn’t seem fair.

    Finality is going to be hard on Philly the next few days. We were the odds-on favorite … now we’re watching others. Gawd I hope the Eagles win in Buffalo on Sunday or it’s gonna be one hell of a desolate town.

     
    • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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      Well the Flyers are 1-0.

       
      • Posts: 0 Kelly Betz

        Yeah, the Flyers will have the best record in yet another meaningless NHL season then lose to a 8th seeded team with a 500 record in the playoffs.

         
    • Posts: 0 Ed Gibbons

      This series scared me from the beginning because the Cards took 2 out of three regular season series against the Phils with an overall 6 to 3 record and with as hot as they had been the last month I knew the Phillies were going to have a hard fight.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    the real phillies fans should be really really worried about ryan howard. this guy played hurt for almost the entire season and may have finally blown it out on the final Ab. what a warrior. I’m telling you if it was chase utley in his shoes we’d all be singing his praises.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I just googled Howard.
    Yea im emotional. Ive been off his back for a while.
    Ironic Chuck that when I embrace this happens.

    The 2008 Phillies were the best team in baseball. The 2011 team failed in round 1.
    This is the nonsense that side tracks me. Epic fail vs the best. But think what you want.

    Ill send good vibes to Howard.
    He played his heart out. He gave it his all.

    The irony of this is too much. I am drinking some more and watching skynyrd videos.

    I have never hated Howard only gave an honest opinion on performance.
    There are people here who think he is the most feared and best hitter in baseball.
    That only peaves me like the phillies are the best team every year.

    Howard is not an elite player and phillies are the 6th best team this year. The end.

     
    • Posts: 0 Glutenous

      Andrew, I do not understand why the concept of the better team not always winning is so hard for you to grasp. You can say that this doesn’t hold true in just about any other sport than baseball, and I probably wouldn’t disagree with you. You come to my house and kick my ass, you are the better fighter.

      Baseball is a different animal. I think that a person would have to be smoking crack or possibly using hallucinogens to say the the Giants were better than the Phillies last year, or that the Cardinals were better this year, but I will admit that the Yankees were the better team in 2009. Were the Phillies the “best” team in 2008, or the Rays the “best” team in the AL that year? Certainly not on paper.

      Do you think the Tigers are “better” than the Yankees? I’m not so sure. How many opportunities did the Yankees have in game 5? A lot. But the TIMING just wasn’t there. Nobody came up with the big hits at the right time.

      So are the Cardinals better than the Phillies? Better at the moment maybe, but overall? No. The regular season in baseball is about talent, and that shows. The best teams typically win the most games. Right? In the postseason, it is about TIMING and even a little LUCK. It is all about playing your best baseball at the right time. Just get to the playoffs and everything else goes out the window. The Cardinals are playing better now than they have alllllllll season long, and the Phillies simply were not performing up to there capabilities.

       
  • Posts: 0 yodawg

    Once again the Phillies CHOKE! With that lineup they should be shredding teams.

     
  • Posts: 0 Piloto

    ADW,

    The Cards were better than the Phils over 5 games, but not better overall. It only takes 3 wins my friend. Take a statistics class, they’ll tell you 5 games is not a big enough sample size to make accurate determinations. The end results is that the best team often does not win. On any given night, yes. Overall? No way. The cream generally rises to the top over 162 games, not so much over 5. Such is the nature of the MLB playoff system.

    Having said all that, I do agree, Howard was awful, Cholly made bad non-decisions and they need to make changes going forward.

     
  • Posts: 2893 Chuck A.

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    5 game series are brutal. It’s not a big enough sample size for sure. Although I’m not so sure that the Phillies could have won this with a 7 game series. Who knows. ON PAPER….the Phillies are the better team. I don’t think anyone can deny that. But that’s why they play the games ….on the field.

    And what does it really matter anyway? I’m off to work the morning after with a sense of emptiness ….so I could really give a rat’s a$$ whether we won 102 games or not right now.

     
  • Posts: 0 Steve O

    The Cards are a better team right now… The series showed it. Also they were 9-5 against the Phillies this year, so you could say they were the better of the two teams against each other…
    As for the Wild Card, you aren’t a chump team if you win 90 games…. I’m sure there are plenty of fans whose teams have won 90-95 games and still didn’t make it in, due to a dynasty like the Yankees, Braves, and others have had… I love the Wild Card concept, but not sure if it needs to be expanded more…

     
  • Posts: 2002 Brooks

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    So, the next big choice is take my refund for the 4 unused NLCS and WS games or post them to next years tickets?

    Honestly, I dont know, so frustrated. If the Phils make revisions to their offense I am on board.
    I dont want Raul or Poly in the lineup. I dont want Hunter Pence hitting 3rd, put him 5th and leave it alone. I want to see a VERY short leash on Utley, his health and performance will be the checkpoints, same with Jimmy (if he stays).

    The Phils will probably not carry all 4 pitchers into next season, losing Oswalt.
    That may be OK but no way to expect a Worley or Stutes repeat.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Oh Kelly shut up. If the cards were the weaker team we should if beaten them. Our pitching is the only reason we got in. Plus we play the mets marlins Nats. Howard is so overrated. I never have liked him. Plus I told you all we took off the last two weeks like the colts and the cards played hard to make it. Poly Raul Ruiz Oswalt Rollins need to go. I agree Ruiz is a very solid defensive catcher but he is a automatic out. Poly and roy are always hurt. Let’s get younger. Thank u Charlie for having Howard swing and not playing the hot mayberry or even putting gload up. Tony L kicked your ass. Thank god the eagles are bad.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Hey just feel lucky wainwright got hurt. 2 1 lead and we lose two in a row. Not one run for doc. Amazing.

     
  • Posts: 542 Morris Buttermaker

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    Dear Jimmy, The bats were way too quiet last night.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dr. Dave

    Talk about an overhaul. Start with the manager!

    Game 2: Lee has nothing and NO ONE is up in the bullpen.

    Game 4: Oswalt was the 6th best starter on the staff. Yes, Worley was the best fit for the bullpen. What about Kendrick? A 2.14 ERA in his final 4 starts. No, the press determined that Oswalt was part of the BIG 4, therefore, Oswalt had to start.
    UP 2-0 after 3 batters and steal Pence with the strikeout King at bat an the best throwing catcher in baseball behind the plate.

    Game 5: Steal with Utley.

    I agree that Ibanez and Polanco have to go at the minimum. Oswalt needs to retire. The Big Three + Worley and Kendrick is just fine.

    I want RYNO!

     
    • Posts: 2002 Brooks

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      Dr. Dave, Lee has nothing? Are you kdding? Lee had 2 months of shut out baseball, INO he was the #2 team MVP candidate on the team, period.

      Get rid of the manager? Why, did he stop hitting after game 2?

       
      • Posts: 84 Dr. Dave

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        Brooks: I was referring to game #2 vs the Cardinals. If you look at the rest of my comments, you will notice that Lee IS part of the Big 3 for next season. He is certainly a great pitcher and I want to keep him.

        As to Manuel, my continued posts refer to his incompetence, especially with pitching.

        As to the hitting, 3B is supposed to be a power position. Polanco probably has the worst OPS in the NL at that position. IT was OK when Utley was a power hitting 2Bman. Not now.

         
  • Posts: 84 Dr. Dave

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    As to Ryan Howard:

    I feel bad for him that he has an Achilles tear. Out at least 6 months, minimum. He has NO trade value at this point.

    Howard sucks! He hasn’t done anything since he got the big contract. I said to my friends on the day he got it that it was a HUGE MISTAKE!

    Ruben has to find a 1Bman in the off season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    it’s like flipping a coin 5 times, getting 3 heads, and declaring heads is better than tails.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Cardinals worse?
    Really?

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Better than the Giants last year.

    I cant take you. Its something to lose. Its different to think you are better.

    I cant have you saying you are best and lose in round 1.

    You arent the best not close.

    The Yankees they play in NYC.
    Go there and lose again and again. And say hey we are the best.

    You are not the best. It is not close.
    Lineup=not good

    Cardinals, Giants better.

    Can we start here and go from there?
    NOT BEST TEAM

    Not close to best team.
    OK

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Can anyone here please say this.

    Giants better 2010
    Cardinals better 2011

    They are better.

    You are worse than they are.
    They played series and they won.

    Can I somehow dumb this down more?

    What?
    Come in last and be 40-122 and be best?
    The Cardinals are superior. The Giants were superior.
    2009 Yankees win

    The paper champions thing is old.
    Your the best on paper.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    WHOOOO HOOOO OHYEA

    Better than the Giants last year and the Cardinals this.
    Only you lost to them.
    They were better.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Someone type not the best team.
    Please.

    Anyone.

    Its a pisser that you all expected to win game 5 and think you are the best.

    You arent that good. I typed it.
    Now you type the Cardinals are better.

    You can do it.
    The Phillies are a first round eliminated team and average at best.
    They have pitching but anyone who watches every game knew 1-0 loss is possible.

    Not the best team.
    Come on guys.
    Please.

    You pitch around the line up. Its not hard to do.
    Its one of the worst in the sport.
    Its not hard to figure out.

    YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN THE CARDINALS THIS YEAR OR THE GIANTS LAST.
    Or the Yankees in 2009

    Please stop.

     
  • Posts: 0 Piloto

    the Cardinals were better than the Phils for a week in 2011 (actually longer)

    the Giants were better than the Phils for a week in 2010.

    I’m not a homer and I’m not delusional. The regular season record counts and still stands. But for the shorter time spam that is October and the MLB playoffs, the Cards and Giants were better than the Phils in 2011/2010 respectively.

    None of this matters of course, cause they are out.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike

    I’m really surprised all the Philly fans are such WHINERS cards beat your best at your place give us our props, we gave the sox a standing o when we were swept in St lou you bums

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike

    Who won the season series oh that’s right the cards we owned you guys the whole year I felt sorry for Ryan Howard hope he recovers soon now on to the brewers GO CARDS

     
    • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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      Im really surprised how a wore winner can come onto a Phillies Nation site (Sorry not a Cardinals site) and talk crap, call us whiners, and bums, and just be ignorrant. LOL. At least stl girl showed a little respect. Might want to try it. From looking at your post, you are basically just an immature punk hidden behind a computer screen. The Cards are the hottest team in baseball, and match up VERY well against the Phillies. Most of us knew that and did NOT want to sweep the Braves. We knew we could beat any other team, but the Cardinals.

       
      • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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        Oops. Sore winner. Sore losers are one thing, but sore winners are the WORST.

         
  • Posts: 0 stl girl

    The term best is subjective

    Phillies had best record in mlb during 2011 regular season.
    Cardinals had a good, winning record in regular season.

    If the phillies had two more losses than the team with the best record in baseball, based on some mentalities on here, they would not be the best.
    …but what if they had the record of two more losses than the best record, and went to the world series and won?
    …would you still say phillies werent the best team because they didnt have the greatest winning record on paper?

    Bottom line…phillies had best record on paper…so the best team right?
    Cardinals beat the phillies during the regular season 6 games to 3. They played better than the best team in baseball 9 times out of 14 chances total.
    If a team beats the best team in baseball more times than they lost, and by more than double on top of that…it can easily be claimed that the cardinals were a better team.

    The best team can also be dubbed the best, because isnt the best team the one that is able to buckle down and get the job done when it counts the most? The best guy in a business is one who gets the job done…seals the deal…not the guy who was great a lot, but couldnt overcome the pressures in the end.

    Thats all neither here nor there though. I dont view things off of best or worst. The cardinals dominated the phillies this yr, and the phillies dominated many teams that the cardinals didnt.
    Its all who is in the moment in the end that decides the outcome. The same team could have a different outcome another year, heck even just one other day.

    You win some, you lose some. You just try your hardest to do what you can do.

    Im from st. Louis. I love the cardinals. Even more so, i love a good competition to the end that pushes mental and physical abilities to the limit. That is what its about, and that is what happened with the cards and phillies.

    Chances of another game going down again, the way it did last night, are soo slim. Phillies bats didnt produce and cardinals defense was on. Cardinals bats didnt produce last night and phils defense was on…CRAZY CHANCES.

    Cards middle lineup were silent too most of the series. The teams played pretty closely through-out, and history happened last night. Thats all that happened. No one can say that the same scenario couldnt have easily turned out the reverse way last night.

    Halladay was on in a way that deserves nothing less than the win, in that game. We recognize that in stl, and we know it was cut throat and lucky.

    Carpenter was just as on, and would deserve a win for that performance as well. We can all have beefs with our offenses, based on what we saw, but these two pitchers deserve the credit for what we saw. Both pitchers shut both teams highest and lowest ranked players down the ENTIRE GAME. It takes away from both pitchers UNREAL and UNFORGETABLE performances, to give that much attention to the offense. To have the mental ability to stay on, in such an intense game and scenario, deserves all of the credit. We all know both of our teams can hit. Howard didnt produce b/c carpenter was lights out, and unhittable. Pujols didnt produce b/c halladay was lights out and unhittable. We even had bases loaded, one out, and we couldnt produce. Halladays strike out of berkman was HUGE!

    Trust me…it was just as hard watching a 1 run game since the 1st against the phillies, of all of the teams…with a pitcher like halladay…in game 5, no less.

    I want to say tough break to all of you guys. Hard result to swallow. It could have easily ended up the other way with one swing of the bat.
    I know it sucks. Weve been there many times ourselves. 100 and 105 win seasons, gone before we knew it.
    We won 06, and we barely made it into the playoffs that year.
    Its hard to make sense of it all.
    Perseverence, luck, chance, attitude…its whats in em at the time…and you win some, you lose some…theres no science behind it.

    Good luck w howard, and good luck with future seasons.
    Again, stl has been where you are rt now, plenty of times, ( this is our 8th post season in 11 years, and only 1…so far…has not ended in feeling the way you guys feel right now) and i know not much makes it too much better.

     
  • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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    Wow, and I thought I was long winded. That might be the longest ramble on here. Some of it though. Not really accurate in the real world. In the real world some teams match up better against others based on Left vs Right, or mental factors etc. This years Cardinals Matched up better against the Phillies. Doesnt mean they are a better overall team then the Phillies. Had the Phillies played any other team (had the Braves been able to win the final game of the season with a 1 run lead and a could starters out and bad relief pitchers in), The Phillie more than likely would be playing Sunday. That is not the say the Cardinals are not a good team. They are a VERY good team and ON FIRE. I believe the Phillies only had a losing record against 1 NL Team…The Cards. Not to mention. Everyone hits a slump at some point or another, so Even the best teams will also hit a slump. Regardless of an ability to “buckle down”, even the best slumps. However, one sentance says it all ” its whats in em at the time” Once you get to the playoffs, all bets are off. There is no longer best team/barely made teams. They are all equal at 0-0 and whoever is the hottest, will go the Furthest. 2007 Rockies ring a bell to anyone else?

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Let’s be honest. After the first 2 St Louis at bats and a 1-0 lead I turned to my buddy next to me and half jokingly asked if that was the game? And truth be told, IT WAS! For those that think the home town crowd wasn’t into it…I disagree. There were lots of Let’s Go Phillies chants and every half of our inning there were crescendos to spur on our team. The few opportunities (ie two guys on base with Raul at bat) the crowd was phantastic! The bottom line is the phils were like a guy who needs viagra and forgot to take it…….they had no spark.

     
 
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