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Phillies Third Base Options

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, October 18, 2011 11:00 AM | Comments: 74
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Yeah, Wright. (PHOTO: NJ.com)

Last week in his State of the Phillies address following the season-ending loss to the Cardinals, Ruben Amaro talked about getting Placido Polanco back to full health. He would be a big part of the Phillies in 2012, said Amaro, who sees the slap-hitting Polanco as a boon to this lineup, when his body cooperates.

The next day, Charlie Manuel spoke and was asked if the Phillies needed to upgrade the position. After two years and 70 games missed by Polanco, Manuel said if there is a chance to get better, the organization has to at least try. The tread on Polly’s tires is wearing out, and it’s hard to say he’s still an everyday player. When he does play, and play at full health, the numbers are usually pretty decent. But that can no longer be counted on to happen. Not after four cortisone injections, several DL stints, and a double hernia surgery in the offseason.

That’s two differing viewpoints from the two men in charge. What will it come down to? If there is the opportunity to grab a player this offseason that is better than Polanco, look for the Phillies to attempt it. But, that’s not an easy task at such a slim position.

THE UNTOUCHABLE?

David Wright: This is an interesting name because it’s not as far fetched as you might think. The Phillies lack the proper prospects to get a deal done with the Mets, and it’s unlikely they’d even want to part with Wright. However, if it came down to Wright or Reyes, especially knowing Wright could be gone next year in free agency, would the Mets do it? The chances here are minute, but don’t think Amaro isn’t at least thinking about how it can be done. Nothing can be shelved with him in charge. That being said, it ain’t happenin’.

EH, MAYBE

Chase Headley: Again, it would take trading prospects that the Phillies don’t likely have to get themselves a decent corner infielder. The Padres are always looking to deal guys that are about to get expensive because they can’t keep up with the growing payroll. But, who really is Chase Headley? At 27, his numbers sank in 2011 as he dealt with injuries, his power has never evolved like many thought it would, but his defense is decent enough (29 errors in over 2,500 innings from 2009-2011, and a UZR of 15). Is he worth taking a chance on?

Aramis Ramirez: I’ve seen many ask about him and I’m just not sure this is an ingredient you want to stir into the pot. He’ll be 34 going into the 2012 season, has a lot of wear and tear, but still plays adequate defense and can carry a big stick at times. He had a nice bounce back year in 2011 after a rotten 2010, when many thought the end was near. Well, just in time, he turns it around, and can get himself a new long-term deal. Ramirez won’t come cheap and is right at that age where you have to proceed with extreme caution. He’s the power threat the Phillies long for, but the rest of it doesn’t add up (price/age).

Mark Reynolds: You want power? This dude has it. But he’s also a strikeout machine and a perennial .225 hitter. So he doesn’t really fit the mold. Plus he’s a liability defensively. Moving on…

EH, REALLY?

Greg Dobbs: Do we wanna go there? Dobbs simply stopped hitting in 2010 with the Phillies, and they were forced to part ways after he’d been a serviceable bench bat. Placing Dobbs in a starting third base role with a contending team is not exactly the road you want to travel. Bringing him back as a top bench bat? That’s a maybe. But certainly Dobbs cannot be a starter on this team, no matter how thin the position.

GETTING WARMER

Wilson Betemit: Again, not really starting material, but can provide plenty of depth should something happen. And many would feel more comfortable allowing Betemit to start at the hot corner than Wilson Valdez or Michael Martinez. Betemit will only be 30 in 2012, and can give some power (8 HR in 323 AB’s). We also talked about him in our latest edition of PN TV.

Ty Wigginton: A guy the Phillies looked at previously in free agency. Wigginton got away and has spent time playing for some lousy teams lately. If the Phillies could pry him away from the Rockies – he’s heading into the second year of a two-year $8 million contract, and has an option year left at $4M in 2013) he could be nice fit as he can basically play every position. Defensively, he won’t knock your socks off, but at this point, who will? The entire third base package really isn’t available at this point. One plus here is Wigginton’s home run potential: 15, 22, 11, 23, 22, 24 the last six seasons.

OTHERS

Kevin Kouzmanoff: Had a few good seasons with the Padres, but struggles last year between Oakland and Colorado.

Edwin Encarnacion: Has a $3.5 million club option pending with Toronto, and is probably more of a 1B/DH anymore.

Michael Young: Would the Rangers unload their leader? If they want to make a run at free agent pitching this offseason, his $32 million remaining may have to come off the books. We discussed him last weekend here.

Cody Overbeck: Probably no longer a third base option. See here.

As you can see, it’s ugly out there. No one really fits the mold for the Phillies. Ramirez is likely too expensive and too advanced in age. Wright probably isn’t even available. Chase Headley isn’t knocking anyone’s socks off – and he might not even be available, although it seems no one is untouchable in San Diego. Wigginton, Betemit, Dobbs? Stopgaps, not long term help.

It looks as though the Phillies would most likely go on with Polanco next year, hopefully adding a competent bench bat that can help out a little more at third base in 2012. At $6.25 million, Polanco is here for another year. Hopefully a healthy one.

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  • Posts: 0 Dickie Thong

    What about David Freese. He’s a superstar…LOL.

     
  • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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    The Tampa Bay Rays have the second lowest payroll in the league. They also have a third baseman whose salary will double next year, and then again the year after. It’s outside the box, I know, but that’s the guy I want. He had an off season offensively last year, (he still may win his third straight gold glove) but they may just be interested, you never know until you ask. Arb eligible in 14, FA in 15, they can’t afford him.

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      Lefty, there is just no way thats happening. He’s the cornerstone of that franchise. I dont think the Phillies could give up enough prospects to get him. They barely have any left as it is. So they would undoubtedly have to make another trade to unload a top talent in exchange for more prospects just to even think about this having a shot.

      I like the outside the box thinking, but Longoria’s not available. Wright would be closer to reality, in my estimation.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    David Freese was a big name from them a few years ago.. and I don’t know if he struggled, or was hurt, or both . . . . but the fact that his bat showed up in a big spot, isn’t a huge surprise to many …. he’s been considered a legit hitter for a while, just had injuries that kept holding him down

    .307 hitter through the minors
    .297 hitter in the majors

    I think he was the reason they got rid of Brett Wallace (their 1st round pick in 2008).. they traded to him OAKLAND for Matt Holliday.. OAK traded him to TOR for former Phillies prospect Michael Taylor (who had just been traded to TOR via the Roy Halladay deal)

    then Wallace was traded to Houston for (another former Phil, Anthony Gose), whom Houston had obtained as part of the Roy Oswalt deal …

     
  • Posts: 0 Frank Riccard

    Ian Stewart and Casey McGahee appear likely to be available either as non-tenders or trades. They’re both 29, they’re both cheap, they can both hit for power, and though both had down years in 2011 (though Stewart really has never had an “up” year at the Major League level), there’s some very good potential there that needs to be looked at. McG hit for power and average in 2009 and 2010, and Stewart has always been a guy that has all the tools but is just missing something. Maybe a change of scenery could be great for either of these guys.

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      I thought about including Stewart, but he had a really bad year and isn’t good defensively. I included Wigginton because he seems like a guy Amaro would try to pry from COL.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’d be surprised if the Brewers are willing to lose Fielder, and McGehee in the same offseason … they just drew 3-million fans this year…

    Also,

    TRADING is what got us into this mess . . . . we don’t have any legit players close in the system right now, and you can’y continually trade prospects and sign $15 M per year players ….. that’s how the Yankees got in trouble the past few years … yea you can still make the playoffs, and once you’re in, you might win the World Series , but that’s not a model that any team besides NYY can follow because you simply can’t afford it

     
    • Posts: 426 Publius

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      Actually, FA signings got us in this mess, as Polly was an FA signing. Fixing this through free agency is no solution, as you simply replace an overpaid, injury-prone veteran with another. If this team is to be a perennial contender, rather than having one MAYBE two more years of dominance left, they gotta get young, and fast.

       
      • Posts: 0 JesseH

        They really just signed the WRONG free agent… any doubt we beat the Cardinals this year, possibly the Giants last year if we had signed Adrian Beltre in the ’09/’10 offseason rather than Polanco? He was more expensive, but has been taking shorter contracts. MVP candidate in ’10 and mashing in the playoffs this year.

         
      • Posts: 426 Publius

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        Sure there’s a doubt. That’s the nature of the playoffs. You can’t assemble a team and just assume that you win 3 games out of 5 and 4 out of 7 (twice). Yeah Beltre would have been nice, but signing him would have meant that we lacked the financial room to maybe trade for Roy O last offseason or Hunter this season.

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        we offered Beltre a contract, and he declined …. the other guys that people wanted over Polanco included Chone Figgins, and Mark DeRosa … so of the options, Ruben made the best choice

        ….
        My point was that we’re at a spot now where we have no talent close to MLB ready in the farm … and of the guys traded in the Lee, Halladay, Oswalt, Pence deals … i think 14 of them are definitely projected to be MLB players (that includes Carrasco, Donald, Marson) ..

        so while I would have done the same thing.. going hard after another title while the window is open with this core of players …. we now have expensive, older stars, and not enough young talent to replace them in the farm … the answer to that isn’t to trade away the remaining talent ..

         
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    Meh. Keep Polanco for this last year of his contract.

    But out of all the names mentioned, the best fit might be Young… I’d actually make him play SS (not resign J-roll) and keep Polanco at 3B. If Polly gets hurts, Young can play 3B and Valdez SS in the meantime. Young definitely has two more good years in him (the remaining chunk of his contract). I think I would definitely prefer this route if J-roll is really set on more than a 3 year deal…

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    If the Rays were willing to part with Longoria, I’d kidnap Rube, drive him to Tampa and personally deliver Domonic Brown and whoever else it would take. That being said… the odds of them actually dealing Longoria for anything we have to offer would probably be somewhere between slim and none. I wouldn’t put it past the Rays to deal him, especially if they know that they won’t be able to re-sign him but I don’t know if they’re ready to go that route just yet. One thing that is interesting, the Rays AAA player of the year is a 3B from PA (Russ Canzler) who got a cup of tea with the big league club this year. There, maybe I’ve stirred the pot. But honestly, I could not pull together a realistic package of players that would land us Longoria and leave us with a big league roster… I just can’t. Draft picks, Brown, May… I don’t think that’s enough. I’m probably chairman of the Brown fan club but even I would be willing to part ways for an Evan Longoria.

     
    • Posts: 0 The Wolffer

      No point even considering Longoria. He will never be traded.

       
  • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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    Pat is right. We have to trade a top talent for prospects first to get Longoria. So let’s do that, put out feelers to see who has interest in Ruben’s “chamionship caliber lineup”. But, IMO we’re all thinking small here. TB has Canzier and will trade Longoria before they have to triple his salary, and then eventually lose him, probably to a team that can extend him early.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ajay

    Yes, Polanco is the best option at the best price for next year. What we need to be thinking about is 3B in 2013. What free agents will be available then? Who will be manning the hot corner for us in the post-Polanco period?

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    Ya know what… I just realized what Tampa Bay is paying Evan Longoria and I’m pretty confident that there is a ZERO percent chance that he will be traded… ever. Well, at least not anytime soon.

    2012: $4.5 million.
    2013: $6.0 million.
    2014: $7.5 million club option w/ $3.0 million buyout.
    2015: $11.0 million club option.
    2016: $11.5 million club option.
    2017: Free Agent

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    There is no arb eligible in there… those are club options. And the GM of the millennium award goes to… seriously, that might be the greatest bargain and most team-friendly contract in the history of baseball contracts.

     
  • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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    It is not crazy to think big and go after big targets. It’s crazy to think small, because you almost always end up with less than you target anyway. And yes, you have to trade away fan favorites in order to reach your goals, that’s true. No one gives their stars away.

    Ruben Amaro has proven he is not afraid to think big, give up stars, and go after the best. He’s probably failed twenty times for every Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay or Hunter Pence he’s landed.

    Keep shooting for the stars Ruben!

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      The only time that RAJ has “given up a star” player was the infamous Cliff Lee to Seattle deal. I think we all agree that wasn’t one of RAJ’s shining moments. All of his other moves have been either free agent signings or trading a bundle of prospects for an established player.

      The only players he has of value to another team right now seem to be Victorino and Pence. I’m not sure he can move them with no minor league prospects ready to step in. They seem intent on allowing Brown to play a seventh season in the minors. I guess if they get the feeling that they can’t sign Hamels long term they can try to trade him to a team looking for a one year rental (the Lee scenario all over again). Ruben has his work cut out for himself this winter.

       
      • Posts: 0 lefty

        “The only time that RAJ has “given up a star” player was the infamous Cliff Lee to Seattle deal.”

        That’s what I said, “he has proven he is not afraid to give up stars and go after the best.” Would you have preferred “given up a star”? Would those conceptual semantics please you better? You are today’s winner of the internet.

        His “championship caliber lineup” includes more than 2 players. They won 102 games and scored the most runs in the NL from July 1st on. – might even be June 1st – can’t remember for certain but I’m sure you will fact check me.

         
      • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

        Lefty, are you saying that going after those three Seattle minor players was going after the best? To top it off, he signed Lee back after one season and lost a first round pick. Since those three minor players haven’t made much progress at all, the entire wacky Lee scenario doesn’t exactly come off as the moves that a GM with an actual plan would make.

         
      • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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        In some ways I agree, but you’re leaving out one crucial component. Roy Halladay. And look at the time I had doubts too. But my statement above never said anything about Ruben being a GM with a plan, just that he is bold and unafraid. I have to run now Jeff, we can debate more next time!

         
  • Posts: 0 T. Martin

    Re: Chase Headley, At first glance his numbers don’t seem that great, but he’s 27 and he doesn’t make a lot of money (though he is arb eligible). He managed to hit .289 with just four homers. But, he only hit .243 at Petco Park while he hit .330 on the road including .294 at CBP, .333 at Nationals Park and .364 in Atlanta. Given the difference between CBP and Petco it’s probably safe to assume that he could still hit .290 with at least 12, maybe 15 home runs. Which isn’t gonna get him on an All Star team but it’s better than Polly and cheaper than Aramis Ramirez is gonna sign for. Those splits aren’t a fluke either between 2008-1010 Headley hit .229 at home and .305 everywhere else. The Phillies could get him and another player (Will Venable for the bench?) in exchange for Dom Brown or some pitching, like Kyle Kendrick and a prospect because the Pads have other options for 3B.

     
    • Posts: 84 Tom

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      Totally agree with at least trying to get Headley!! Aside from probably being the only team in MLB history with two guys named Chase in the starting lineup, I like his upside being that he’s only 27, hits well away from Petco, and plays solid defense!! Remember, we won a World Series with Pedro Feliz occupying the hot corner…not exactly an offensive machine at hitter friendly CBP!!

       
    • Posts: 426 Publius

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      Yeah Headley’s home/road splits are huge. I would love to target him as 3B for the next couple years. A .750 OPS from 3B is pretty danged good given the current terrible state of the market.

       
  • Posts: 0 T. Martin

    Re Cody Overbeck: The dude has hit 24 home runs in each of the last two seasons in the minors. Doesn’t mean that he could do that at the ML level, especially on a contending team but he’s already in the organization, he’s cheap, why not try him in a platoon at first with Jim Thome until Ryan comes back? Then they’re both available off the bench down the stretch.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    That Longoria contract is the best side of a Risk/Reward of extending a very young, unproven player – based on his potential …. when it works out, it looks great..

    but there are also lots of players that started great, and fizzled … Dontrelle Willis comes to mind …

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    This is really interesting… let’s say that a “win” is worth $3 million. Fangraphs says that a win is worth $4.5 million but a fella at Sabermetrics argues that the worth of a win is relative to the team that player plays for and so it could be far less than the $4.5 million figure. Ok… so let’s call it $3 million. Evan Longoria has provided 24.3 wins (WAR)… in total, he has earned his team $72.9 million while earning less than $4 million. If he plays out the remainder of his contract in Tampa Bay and doesn’t earn another win, he will be a bargain to the tune of about $28 million (he will make $44.5 million over the life of his current contract, assuming Tampa picks up all of those options). But Longoria, conservatively, is worth about 6 wins on average per year… therefore, he could easily earn his team another 30 wins over the course of his contract. At $3 million per win, that’s another $90 million on top of $72.9 million ($162.9 million total) for the cost of about $44.5 million.

    Pujols, by contrast (one of the better bargains I could think of), earned $89.5 million over the first 9 years of his career and provided the Cardinals with 83.7 wins… $251.1 million for the cost of $89.5 million.

    So Longoria will cost the Rays half of what Albert cost the Cardinals and provide them with about 65% of the value, assuming he doesn’t give them more, in terms of wins… considering Longoria is only 24 years old and heading into his “prime” years, it’s not unreasonable to assume that he could breach the 7-8 WAR mark.

     
    • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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      In other words, he is a total stud, and absolutely worthy of Ruben’s interest. Why not? So they say no, it’s due diligence. And you plant seeds for the future when they can’t afford him. Both in the minds of the Rays for possible deadline deal, and Longoria who knows a great franchise has shown interest.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Kyle Kendrick has no trade value …. he’s more valuable to us as a potential #5/ spot-starter than for anything you’d get for him…

    ………….
    Slightly off-topic … Heath Bell said that he WOULD accept salary arbitration to stay in San Diego, if they couldn’t agree on a deal beforehand …

     
    • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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      According to MLBTR, The Rockies are looking for “innings eaters” I think Kendrick, Blanton and Worley fit the bill. That’s a place we can do some re-stocking of prospects.

       
  • Posts: 0 T. Martin

    One other guy that wasn’t mentioned as a possibility for 3B, Kevin Youkilis. He’s coming off a down year and he’ll be 33 before next season starts but he’s been cited as a guy who polarized the clubhouse in Boston and for the Red Sox, if the two can’t coexist in the clubhouse the choice between Youk and Jacoby Ellsbury who’s (younger, cheaper and better) is a no brainer. Youk would provide exactly the kind of at bats that Amaro is pining for plus he plays decent defense and has some pop. Youk is entering the last year of his contract (@ $12mil, with a club option for 2013). Blanton for Youkilis?

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    dude …. Blanton ….. Joe Blanton ??

    they wouldn’t take Blanton, Brown, and Kendrick -for- Youkilis

     
  • Posts: 2989 Chuck A.

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    This is another reason why if the Phillies re-sign Rollins that he should be “encouraged” to play third after next season. Get a stopgap or use Valdez along with Polly for ’12 and then Rollins can slide over to 3rd.

    Problem is…..he most likely wouldn’t do it.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Wolffer

    Evan Longoria has one of the most team friendly contracts in MLB. The Rays would never trade him. Not even a remote possibility.

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Personally, I would offer Blanton, Kendrick and Dom Brown for David Wright. He is young and he is that good.

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    And, Kendrick most certainly has trade value and is considered to be among the best swing men in baseball. And when I say “swing men” I do not mean Benny Goodman.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Bart – Those three will not get you David Wright. The guy that we we’ll end up getting is Michael Cuddyer. He’s a righty, can hit AND, ready for this, plays 1B, 3B, and LF. Just rotate him around the diamond to give Polanco the rest he needs. Polanco – just give me 120 games, babe. He’d be insurance in LF and 1B. Is he a great hitter? Nope. But he’s a good player with the versatility the Phils could really use.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 37 landshark

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    Chuck A you made a good point about moving Jimmy to 3rd, and maybe going after someone like Yuniesky Betancourt. But to be honest…I believe theres little chance he resigns, none the less moves to the hot corner

    The Dipsy I also like your point about Cuddyer. Hes a 5 tool player, and IMO one of the most underrated players in baseball. He would be really valuable to this injury prone team. I love it.

    David Wright would love nothing more to be in red pinstripes, but theres NO way I see the Mets letting him go to the most hated team in the NL East. I think they would rather go fold their club and call it quits before that happened. I would absolutely love him here

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Good points about Cuddyer. His versatility is huge. And, I truly doubt that the Mets would bite on Wright for Brown, Blanton and Kendrick.

     
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    I completely forgot to add Cuddyer to this list. He’s probably more of a 1B than a 3B, but nonetheless he’d be a viable option.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Blanton and Kendrick might have a tiny bit of trade value. Very tiny. Blanton is coming off injuries and has a fairly high salary for an “innings eater.” Kendrick is arbitration eligible and will probably get a salary too costly for most teams, because they’ll see him only as a swingman.

    Cuddyer will be hotly pursued by many teams, including the Twins. I doubt the Phils will get him.

    As much as we all might hope for a 3rd base upgrade, given all the other things (Rollins and Madson free agency, extensions for Pence and Hamels, a new left fielder, pinch hitter, and backup catcher) I think the only realistic option is keeping our fingers crossed for a healthy season from Polanco, with a decent utility man for when he needs a rest.

     
  • Posts: 971 betasigmadeltashag

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    I really think most depends on the signing of JRoll. If they do the need for a more then competent utility guy. As much as I like Valdez, I think they really need to find a guy who can play multiple postions and can hit and get on base. I do not have the answer, but I really do not think 2012 is a year that will bring major moves. I think you do a guy who will spell Poly, JRoll and Chase to keep them healthy that is not a huge down grade at the plate even if you give up some defense

     
  • Posts: 2069 Brooks

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    I have never had faith in Poly. Given that this was his worst offensive season of his career though, I would say the Phils DO NOT make a change at third base but instead DO get a viable backup for the time that he will miss (that is a given, he will miss time during the year).
    Someone who can play 3rd and first, perhaps some time in the OF as well. I think the chances of Poly making a comeback are good – still missing a handful of games but, not hitting a woeful .277 with a career low ,674 OPS and career low Slugging percentage – .339

    Poly’s contract is too attractive, we have to try and keep it stable. That does not mean we dont look for a viable sub when he is out. After all, the Phils will be shopping for a SS and probably someone capable to fill in for Howard during the Spring months.

    Like a lot of the PN, Keith and I were there for Poly’s first game as a Phil in DC, this go around, (Doc’s first game too), he hit the GS and I believe had 6 rbi. Just sayin’, we love the guy but lets not get fooled again. He will bounce back but he will be hurt for a portion of the season. Get prepared for this and take in consideration that our other corner will likely miss some time as well.

     
  • Posts: 0 Keepit

    I really think the organization has to rethink how it deals with its coaching and coaches. I remember when Jimy Williams left because he wanted more money. He was pretty sure he was responsible for the WS title.
    Regardless, he was a good coach, as was Lopes, and the Phils were penny wise and pound foolish with their coaching staff in relation to the players. Charlie is no LaRussa but he has his strong points and if they’re not going to hire Sandburg maybe they should consider getting someone else like a Williams to buttress Charlie a little bit.
    With this pitching staff they need to play more small ball and I guess they’re not going to have much choice with Howard out for a while. All the points made about pitch count are valid, as well as the fact that too often too many players couldn’t lay down simple bunts.
    Bottom line – you gotta make your own luck sometimes. The Cardinals in the WS without Wainwright is an awesome accomplishment.

     
  • Posts: 0 JMills

    I am a big Cody Overbeck fan, I think he could be the next Dan Uggla. I also would consider bringing Dobbs back in a platoon type role. Youkalis is an interesting name, would we consider trading Utley straight up for him.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Im pretty sure that Cuddyer is terrible at 3b …. I liked him as an OF/1b option.. but not to play 3b, if you’re going to do that you might as well get Mark Reynolds

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Utley for Youk? No way that gets done. The Sox would have to add a 3rd baseman and move their perfectly good 2nd baseman to a new position. Fans of BOTH teams would probably riot. And it still doesn’t solve anything for the Phils, because Polanco–the guy this entire “let’s upgrade” post was written about would not be replaced but merely moved so he could play injured at second.

    I haven’t seen Overbeck in action, so I can’t say too much other than if he’s going to be Dan Uggla he’ll be a gaping hole on defense.

    As far as Dobbs is concerned, he’d probably cause a pitcher’s mutiny if they actually allowed him to play third regularly. He’s can’t stop a grounder unless it’s hit right to him, and even then he’d probably bobble it.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    I wasnt a huge fan of M. Cuddyer but given the options and the examples cited on here he might be the best fit. I dont think he is the best at 3B, but we can play him and Valdez over there every 5 games or so to give Polly a rest. The problem if Polly goes down would we want Cuddyer at the hot corner. There a good possibility of this happening with his extensive list of injuries.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I do not think that Cuddyer will be “hotly pursued” by other teams. Why would he be? I would like to see Cuddyer play 10-15 games at 3B a year to spell Polly and play some first to spell Ryan and to play there until Ryan is ready. You can also rotate him in the corner outfield spots. He’s perfect.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Jamey Carroll as a 2b, SS and 3B option for 1 year at $1.5 million. Fits Rubes new paradigm. .360 OBP only kos about 1 in 10 ABs. Imlike Cuddyer as a 1B,OF and occasional 3b option as well.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Oh, I’ll take Jamey Carroll.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2989 Chuck A.

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    I do not….repeat…DO NOT want Greg Dobbs back in a Phillies uniform. Especially to play third base of all places. A bench bat?? Maybe. But that’s about it.

    Cuddyer and Carroll are interesting names but , I agree that I really can’t see Cuddyer at 3rd on any kind of regular basis. Only in a pinch.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I’d still pursue Youkilis. Everything I keep reading about Boston is that everyone wants out of there as they’re sick of the drama. Plus, he can play two positions where the Phillies have holes…1st and 3rd. I know he’s not the healthiest option or the youngest, but he has a good eye and gets on base. I think it’s at least worth looking into.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Many months ago not sure if it was this blog or another i put in the idea of Carroll. Dint meet up with positive enthusiasm from a few people. I think he would be a good fit myself although he is old my idea was just for a season 2 at the most.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    while Jamey Carroll may or may not be a nice addition …. he’s a minor move, a bench guy… who probably doesn’t play as good of Defense as Valdez..

    I wouldn’t be opposed to that move at all, but there seems to be a lot of chatter for something that likely wouldn’t effect the outcome of many games

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Cuddyer will be pursued because of his versatility, and because he’s a decent enough hitter to satisfy a mid-market team. He’s also coming off a good year. The Twins are reportedly already trying to get him to come back. He won’t be all that cheap–look what DeRosa and others have gotten–and I don’t think the Phils would or should put much into getting him.

    The team just has too many other issues to put a lot of time and money into 3rd base. Polanco’s contract is big enough to keep them from pursuing a huge upgrade when they have to worry about SS, closer, LF, and whether to extend Hamels and Pence.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    again . . . . I keep thinking that HEALTH is the biggest key to this team.. the talent is there, the production is there .. wining 102 games doesn’t happen by accident ..

    and if Lee and Oswalt could hold leads, we might all be singing a different tune

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yadier Molina “best defensive catcher in baseball” ….. I just read that on CNNSI.com ……. and I was pretty sure I’d heard that, or similar multiple times before ..

    Is it just me, or does it seem like a ton of passed balls/”wild pitches” have occured with Molina behind the dish in the two NL playoff series thus far ???

     
  • Posts: 2989 Chuck A.

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    I think that “best defensive catcher” label that Molina has is because of his ability to gun down a lot of runners trying to steal. He’s quick and he’s accurate with his throws. I agree though that it SEEMS like a lot of balls are getting past him lately.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think a lot of them have been getting labeled “Wild Pitches” instead of “Passed Balls” …… but i’ve watched more Cards games in the past month than I ever have before, and I’ve seen balls go thru his legs a few times, him fail to backhand/block some pitches ..

    basically the little things that we’ve seen Ruiz do so many times and take for granted … allowing your pitchers to bounce pitches on purpose and make hitters chase etc ..

    I have no doubt that Molina is among the best .. but i’ve seen a few bad plays from him in their playoff games thus far

     
  • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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    Jamie Carroll? I thought when I read this posting that it was about Charlie Manuel saying he’d like to upgrade the position.

    Commenter T. Martin makes a good case for Headly, but if they are looking to make a significant upgrade, it’s chancy at best.

    I’m now in the camp of leaving third base the way it is, unless they can wow me with a Zimmerman, Wright or Longoria, which all of you are convinced can never happen.

    It’s a good thing I never listened to all you doubters in my business affairs or I might actually have to work for a living. I might remind you all that our GM is a bulldog that doesn’t always get what he wants the first time, (Halladay) but never gives up.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I have no problem letting Polanco and Valdez hold down 3B but you’re gonna need to put a good bat somewhere in your lineup. If you let Jimmy go and put a Carroll or Galvis there, then LF is gonna be your spot.

    If you have speed and defense with this pitching, then you’re gonna make the playoffs. Its also a cheaper way of getting there. Speed and defense never slump.

    I would look into getting Bonafacio also.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2989 Chuck A.

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    Emilio Bonafacio was a royal pain in the a$$ this year against the Phillies. He’d be a nice table-setter in that lineup.

     
 
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