Werth “Selling” Nationals to Madson

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, October 17, 2011 09:33 PM | Comments: 17
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The hot stove is getting warmer. We haven’t even begun the World Series and already there is speculation as to what will happen once free agency begins.

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that Jayson Werth is attempting to “sell” the Nationals to soon-to-be free agent closer Ryan Madson. It’s unknown whether or not the Phillies will be able to retain Madson, who will likely look for a closer-type contract, pushing $10 million or more. Madson is also a Scott Boras client, meaning he’ll try and push the price as high as he can.

(In that same article, the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Padres have offered Heath Bell a two-year deal worth $15-16 million)

Madson to Washington is an intriguing thought. They are trying to become the Phillies in more than one way. The pitching isn’t quite there, but they are attempting to build a solid offense with good homegrown talent combined with some free agents. Werth didn’t work out in Year 1 of his megadeal, but it can’t get any worse for him.

Next up for the Nats is solidifying their pitching. The bullpen has the making of a solid unit, and if you throw Madson in there, it would be one of the best. But does he fit?

They actually wouldn’t need Madson, per se, with Drew Storen as a closer himself. Storen saved 43 games in 2011, posting a 1.02 WHIP and a strikeout per inning. Making him the eighth inning guy would undoubtedly make the Nats ‘pen strong. Madson doesn’t seem to want to settle for eighth inning duty; he’s now a closer and not looking back. So, it’s hard to see that being a perfect match.

Still, it’s interesting nonetheless; it’s also apparent the Nationals are looking to spend money, so look out for them in the Prince Fielder sweepstakes, and if Jayson Werth has his way, the bidding for Madson.

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  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    They can have him. We’ll take Bell.

    The Dipsy

    • Posts: 0 klaw

      dipsy if we cant afford madson how we gonna afford bell

  • Posts: 0 Ruth Bilinski

    Keep Madson here

  • Posts: 0 Frank Riccard

    JW: “Hey, Ryan, you should totally come to DC! Yeah, man, it’s like you can do whatever you want because nobody is watching or even cares!”

    RM: “Wow, my wife will love that! I know how much she hates being hounded by fans. I guess the best solution would be to go to a team that has no fans!”

    JW: “That’s right! I mean, jeeze, I hit .232 for the year, and its like it didn’t even matter. There’s some bar selling beers for the price of my batting average, so the worse I hit, the more money we can save on getting smashed!”

    RM: “WOOOO!!!”

    (Madson kicks chair in a moment of intense celebration, shatters all of his toes, and ends his career. Subsequently, Werth goes 3-for-a-zillion for the next 25 years of the absurd contract the Nats gave him.)

    • Posts: 542 Bruce

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      Frank..that is really funny. I laughed so hard, my glasses nearly came off. LOL

  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Ryan loves Philly, but he’ll take the $$$ for a competitive team. 3/24 maybe a 4th year buyout of $1 mil. No more. Phils have other needs.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    The Senators want to be Philly and regress the next 4 years?
    And then sign every old guy available to multimillion dollar contracts?

    The good news?

    I thought Howard gets $25,000,000.00 next year.
    He only gets $20,000,000,00

    $25,000,000.00 kicks in from 2013 till 2016. With a $10,000,000.00 buyout for 2017.
    Good luck with that,

    Somehow this GM and Manager stay in good graces. You have the second highest payroll in baseball. Being that you are not in NYC it means you are the #1 salary situation in baseball.

    Losing in the first round is not acceptable.
    Or is it?

    I have watched this team morph into the Braves for 4 years now.
    I guess it takes 16 years?

    Please move old people. Please dont resign the players who regress over and over and over again.

    This year was an epic fail.
    Win 147 games next year and lose in round 1 and you fail.

    But keep them all. Sign them long term.
    It will be different.
    As players age they get better and hurt less.
    OK I believe now.

    If they resign all the old timers? Can we count the columns on historical greatness?

    By the way.
    Just to clarify for you all.
    The 2008 Phillies destroy and crap upon the 2011 Phillies team.
    Thw 2011 Cardinals poop on the 2011 Phillies.
    The 2010 Giants turd on the 2011 Phillies.
    The 2010 and 2011 Rangers poop on the 2011 Phillies.

    At some point I hope the Phillies manager and GM realize this and hopefully the fans will too.

    Or keep thinking you are the best.
    One more year. I believe.

  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Yeah, according to AFW above…. the 2011 Phillies pretty much sucked. I’m so glad he clarified that for us all.

  • Posts: 0 George

    AFW seems to think excrement is hilarious. Someone please mail him a bag of doo-doo.

    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      I think Andrew is simply paying homage to Triumph the Insult Comic Dog with the last part of his post.

      I do agree with Andrew on a few points:

      A team with one of the best starting pitching staffs in recent history and a $170 million payroll that goes out weakly in the first round has failed. Especially since they followed the same offensive pattern that they had in their previous four post season series.

      Howard’s contract has only begun to haunt the Phillies. Everything that Keith Law said at the time of the extension has come to fruition. There’s no need to take out the frustration on Ryan Howard – it was a RAJ mistake, pure and simple.

      RAJ’s public proclamation that he doesn’t think the lineup needs an overhaul is sort of scary. He may just be blowing smoke, but having a 2012 plan based on hoping that old, injury-prone players don’t get hurt and hoping that players in their declining years revert to skills that they had four years ago is just plain silly.

  • Posts: 0 Kevin

    I guess it’s true, misery loves company And Werth is very lonely. I don’t know if the Nats wanna trust Werth or his endorsing other players after signing him to the most ridiculous contract and them he was a total bust this year. Not that Madson would be a bust but he also benefits from being on a very good team and if I’m Madson why would I wanna go to the Nats?? They’re years away from being a legit world series contender.

    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      I don’t think they’re as far away as you think. They won 80 games last year and will have Strasburg for a full season in 2012 and probably Bryce Harper the following season. That’s a nice young team they’re putting together.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I read that other day that the Nats might go after Jose Reyes …. from the start, a lot of people assumed that San Francisco would be the landing spot for Reyes, or Prince Fielder, but lots of reports have the Giants actually looking to CUT payroll, not add it ..

    I’ve thought all along that Fielder will go to Chicago, because they NEED a superstar.. and with Starlin Castro, they have no need for Reyes ..

    not sure what big market teams would go after Reyes.. the RedSox need a good SS, but Reyes is essentially the same player as Ellsbury and Carl Crawford … Dodgers have no money.. Angels have Eybar … St. Louis will be paying too much for Pujols to have extra for a SS ….. I think Reyes to the Nats might be legit

  • Posts: 5232 Lefty

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    Reyes to the Nats makes a lot more sense to me than Madson. Ian Desmond is one of the worst defensive SS in the league. It’s a real position of need for them. With Storen and Clippard they have a pretty good back end, and they’re not paying much for them.

  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    If we could afford to pay Lidge over $10 million, then we should pay Madson at least $10 million. He is younger and has proven that he can close. Plus he stays relatively healthy when he isn’t kicking stuff in the locker room. We definitely need a reliable closer and they really don’t come cheaply.

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    When we could afford to pay Lidge $10 M per year . . . . we didn’t have Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Howard, Utley, etc.. making what they do now … everyone else has had a salary-bump, to absorb those bumps, you need to either cut in other places, or add to the payroll (something they’ve done in recent years but are now dangerously close to the luxuary tax, which they’ve said they dont want to cross)

    one of the best spots to save money is the bullpen.. i’d be fine with Madson coming back… but it might be in their best interest to see how the market develops for Closers and then buy from them instead of paying whatever Madson wants just to bring him back .. or to get into a bidding war with the Nats, etc

  • Posts: 0 George

    Despite what I may think of the way Andrew from Waldorf puts things, I, too, must admit to agreement with some (DEFINITELY NOT all) of his thoughts. The Howard contract was premature and way too long. The team is getting too old. I only wish he’d eliminate the scatological, though; it’s pretty juvenile and promotes equally juvenile responses.

    As far as Madson goes, I think the Phils should make a big effort to re-sign him. They were able to pay Lidge $12 million or so even though they had to pay “Halladay, Lee, Hamels, Howard, Utley, etc…”in 2011, and next year they WON’T be paying Lidge, Ibanez, and probably Oswalt. I think the pay decreases will be greater than the increases. Besides, cutting out a good closer just to spend the same or similar money on another good closer is just kind of silly.

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