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Dr. Strangeglove: My Relationship with Jimmy Rollins

Posted by Michael Baumann, Fri, November 04, 2011 07:40 AM | Comments: 35
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“…for as far back as I can remember I have loved two kinds of teams more than any other. The first, of course, were the hometown teams, which for me were Cleveland teams, the Indians and Browns and Cavaliers, those heartbreakers I had inherited because my father found a job at a factory there before I was born.” –Joe Posnanski, “Game Six,” Oct. 28, 2011

I read that passage, in a typically-outstanding blog post by Joe Posnanski of Sports Illustrated, the dean of the kind of rambling, introspective, analytic form of sports column I love most. The post itself had little to do with the genesis of Posnanski’s own Cleveland fandom, but it got me thinking about how much my happiness is tied to the employment status of a 32-year-old man from Oakland, whom I’ve never met and probably never will.

I’m a 24-year-old man with a driver’s license and a postgraduate education, so I’m an adult by proclamation, if not so much by behavior, and for the first time since I had terrible acne, a squeaky voice, and thought Blink-182 was cool, I’m faced with life without my favorite baseball player on my favorite team. Jimmy Rollins has been a constant in my life for 11 years, a period of time in which I’ve graduated from middle school and high school and collected bachelor’s and master’s degrees. A period of time in which I had my first kiss, first girlfriend, and first bad breakup, and got engaged to a person who, at the time of Rollins’ major league debut, I wouldn’t even know existed for another five years.

In spite of my quest to be objective in my baseball analysis, I hope the Phillies re-sign Jimmy Rollins above all else, and while I’d be thrilled if he’d sign a contract with favorable terms to the team, deep down I don’t care what the cost is.

And the most unsettling part of all of this is that I feel so strongly about Rollins, more than anything else, because no one was building much of anything in North Carolina in the early 1980s.

Both of my parents are architects, fresh out of college in a depression, when the construction industry ground to a halt. My dad found a job in Rocky Mount, N.C., but without anything to design, their situation was tenuous until my mom took a job with the government in Philadelphia and they moved up north. That’s why I’m a Phillies fan rather than a Braves fan, because if the economy was prospering and my parents hadn’t moved, I’d have grown up around the Braves on TBS and people with accents out of The Dukes of Hazzard, never seriously considering the Phillies as the source of self-defining social belonging I consider them today.

But why the Phillies, rather than the Eagles or Flyers? Because, as a nine-year-old, I didn’t have the stamina to play soccer, the strength or lunacy to play football, or the money to play ice hockey. Because my parents valued literacy above all else, and no sport has more or better mythology than baseball. Because my dad, though only a casual sports fan, liked baseball better than other sports. Little things.

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Jimmy Rollins was drafted by the Phillies in the second round (46th overall) of the 1996 amateur draft, three months after my ninth birthday, for reasons still unknown to me. Maybe the Phillies wanted to draft Brent Abernathy, who went two spots before J-Roll, and settled. Maybe they already knew what kind of player the then-17-year-old would turn into. I have no idea. I wouldn’t even know who Rollins was until years later, when he started showing up in the minor league sections of Baseball Weekly, and even then, I wasn’t sold on the Phillies’ would-be shortstop of the future.

You see, there was another minor league shortstop, Travis “Gookie” Dawkins of the Cincinnati Reds, that I always preferred to Rollins as a prospect. Dawkins, like Rollins, was drafted out of high school as a second-rounder, and fast-tracked to the big leagues, so while Dawkins was a year younger and drafted a year later, he made his major-league debut in 1999, while Rollins, still only 21 when he played his first game in Philadelphia, had to wait until 2000.

There were reasons I preferred Dawkins–Dawkins, not Rollins, was selected to the team of minor league all-stars that won gold in baseball for the United States in the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, a team that included Roy Oswalt, Ben Sheets, Doug Mientkiewicz, Brad Wilkerson, and, yes Brent Abernathy. The Seattle Mariners, in the process of trading an unhappy Ken Griffey, Jr., to the Reds in the winter of 1999-2000, zeroed in on a package that included Dawkins before their leverage evaporated before their very eyes and they settled for Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Jake Meyer, and Antonio Perez. To the 12-year-old scout, Dawkins, not Rollins, was the superior prospect.

Eventually, though, I got over my disappointment when Rollins stepped into the starting lineup as a 22-year-old rookie in 2001, hitting .274, leading the league in at-bats, stolen bases and triples, and making the all-star team. If Rollins hadn’t had the bad fortune to enter the league the same year as Albert Pujols and Roy Oswalt, he may well have been that year’s NL Rookie of the Year. But while I enjoyed Rollins, and grudgingly admitted that he was a better player than I had anticipated, I was still very much a Scott Rolen man.

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Even after 900 words, we still haven’t reached the real question: why Rollins? Probably because I was never very good at baseball. The kids who were good at baseball pitched, played shortstop, and cranked home runs. I tried to do the best I could by walking a lot and being aggressive on the bases, and by throwing the ball in from the outfield as hard as I could (I had a pretty good arm, but because I was neither a preternatural talent nor the coach’s son, I pitched a grand total of one inning in eight seasons of organized baseball). Because I sucked so bad, I never really gravitated to the stars, but instead to the water bearers, the guys who showed up every day, went one-for-four with a stolen base and solid defense. Maybe I felt like I could identify with them better.

I know for certain that I thought it illustrated a staggering lack of imagination, even as a child, when, for instance, one of my buddies said his favorite hockey player was Eric Lindros (I preferred Mikael Renberg). What did that say, I thought as a ten-year-old, about a person’s character that he cared only about how good a player was? What about the guys who let him skate around with his head down all the time and fed him the puck? Like a good buddy movie, the fate of a sports team depended as much on the quality of the sidekick as it did the performance of the romantic lead.

Rollins, over the course of years, developed into the kind of player I enjoy watching most in all sports: flashy and nearly faultless on defense, aggressive and electrifying on offense, going about his business with either a self-assured smile or an intimidating scowl, depending on whether the inning and score called for humor or intensity. As an integral member of the 2001 Phillies, he, along with Pat Burrell, became the avatar for the youth movement that would set into motion the events that led from the doldrums of the Francona Era to the heights of 2008 and beyond. It was Rollins whose bold proclamation that the Phillies, not the perennially dominant Braves or the developing powerhouse Mets, were the team to beat in 2007. Rollins said this fresh off the last major league postseason in which the Phillies did not participate.

Rollins was the initial salient in the Phillies’ trench warfare against mediocrity. Where he pressed forward, Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, and Cole Hamels burst through to victory. It was somewhere during this process, after his rookie season but before the “team to beat” incident, possibly around the time he cut off those awful cornrows, that I declared my allegiance to Jimmy Rollins, and throughout the ups and downs, the injuries, the suspensions, the bad performance, I’ve stood by him.

***

Saying “setting aside the division title” about the Phillies’ 2007 season is like saying “setting aside the iceberg” to a passenger on the Titanic. I get that.

Setting aside the division title, 2007 was an incredibly gratifying season for me as a baseball fan. It was the year that the world bore witness to the greatness of my favorite baseball player, who had been overshadowed his entire career by Burrell, Abreu, Thome, Utley, and Howard. You remember the season: the 30-30 year, the 20 triples, the staggering 139 runs scored at the head of one of the most potent offenses in the history of the franchise. The all-star snub, followed by the gold glove, the silver slugger, and the National League MVP. The never-ending entertainment that, to someone who values narrative over empirics, could very easily be mistaken for the works of a man who, by sheer force of personality, willed his team, like Atlas holding the Earth, from the realm of possibility to genuine success.

I won’t tell you that J-Roll was the best player in the National League that year, because it’s statistically pretty evident that he wasn’t. By Baseball Reference WAR, Rollins wasn’t even the best player on his own team (Chase Utley had 6.6 WAR to Rollins’ 6.1 despite playing 30 fewer games), and Matt Holliday, Chipper Jones, Albert Pujols, and David Wright outpaced him by significant margins. I was just getting into advanced stats at that point, and every time I read something to that effect on Fire Joe Morgan, I seethed quietly to myself. How dare they, I thought. Sure, the stats aren’t there, but…he’s my guy, by God, and the world is just now waking up to what a great player he is.

***

Among Phillies position players since integration, Jimmy Rollins is third in career plate appearances, seventh in WAR, fifth in games played, third in hits, third in runs, second in doubles, first in triples, eleventh in home runs, and first in stolen bases, by nearly 100. For a man who brings so much to the table qualitatively, Rollins is in retired number territory when it comes to the sheer stats.

Travis Dawkins hit .163/.241/.204 in 110 major league plate appearances spread over four seasons. He had 16 career hits, four of them doubles, nine walks, and scored eight runs. His last major league hit was, believe it or not, against the Phillies. It was a one-out double off Brandon Duckworth in the bottom of the fifth inning of a 4-3 loss on Sept. 22, 2002.

***

Since 2007, it’s been a quiet time for J-Roll and me. It should be obvious by now that 2007 was the best season of his career, and nothing will ever top that. But I don’t resent the older, wiser, calmer, J-Roll. Frankly, the Rollins of 2007 might be too much to handle in concert with both Shane Victorino and Hunter Pence. Jimmy Rollins has evolved into a perfect elder statesman, a quiet team leader. He’s grown up, in short, and because of the time in which it happened, it seems like he and I have grown up together.

Being a Phillies fan is one of the three or so most important social identifiers in my life right now, as sad as it seems when I put it like that, and over the past 10 years or so, that social identifier has caused me to experience almost literally every emotion possible, from shock to rage to confusion to the kind of unbridled, innocent exultation that makes the very revolution of the Earth seem to slow down. Jimmy Rollins has been the constant, and for whatever reason, I’ve developed an emotional attachment to him that goes beyond the simple rooting interest I have in most of his teammates. I know at least some of you must feel the same way.

If the Phillies don’t re-sign Rollins, we’ll be losing a massive part of the team identity. A part of our history as fans. And for me, it will mean saying goodbye to my favorite ballplayer.

Michael Baumann writes the weekly Dr. Strangeglove column, which appears every Friday on Phillies Nation. You can follow him on Twitter at @atomicruckus

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About Michael Baumann

Michael Baumann has written 229 articles on Phillies Nation.

Michael is a graduate student at Temple University who lost his childlike innocence when, at the age of 6, his dad let him stay up for the end of Game 6 of the 1993 World Series. Unsettled by the Phillies' recent success, he has threatened over the years to leave the team he loves if they don't start losing again, but has so far been unable to follow through. Michael spent 4 years as an undercover agent in Braves territory at the University of South Carolina, where he covered football and soccer for The Daily Gamecock before moving back up north. He began writing for The Phrontiersman in June 2009 before moving to Phillies Nation in January 2010.

 
 
  • Posts: 0 atticus

    This is fabulously written. I too am 24 and Rollins has been a part of my life since middle school up through my postgraduate degrees. While I have often lamented his plate discipline, I have never questioned his heart, his defense, and that he is an absolutely “red light player.”

    Your words about Rollins struck me as Utley, not Rollins, is my favorite player. I identified with him because he just plays the game right and with a scary intensity. No matter what his cranky knees do from here on out, he is still the 180 pound 25 year-old who sprinted around the bases after that grand slam on that beautiful day game at the Vet (his first career hit). When I played in high school I modeled my game after him. I looked down on people that loved Thome, Burrell, Abreu (ok nobody would ever admit to loving Abreu). Great work on this piece.

     
  • Posts: 0 ruth

    Great article!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 phil

    I am right there with you Dr. I’ve been a phillies fan since as far back as I can remember. I’m 27 28 in a month so it probably has been close to 25 years at this point. I saw Mike Schmidt play and had his jersey and a starting pro action figure of him and he was the player that got me into this sport and this team. But in all honesty I don’t remember much about Mike Schmidt. I remember plenty about other phillies greats like schilling rollins bobby and pat the bat but they were lazy boring or prima donnas. But then there is jimmy who works hard plays the game great is exciting and has a hilarious personality. He is my favorite phillie and player of all time and to see him walk will probably crush my soul. I’m into sabermetrics too and I know jimmy isn’t the same as he used to be and will probably be over paid to stay here but I don’t care it needs to happen. He was underpaid and underrated a majority of his career besides in 2007 so resign him now and keep the heart and soul of the team here until he wants to hang up his cleets

     
  • Posts: 0 phil

    Oops schilling rolen bobby and pat the bat

     
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    Nice post, Michael.

    As a fan, why should we care about contract dollars? As fans, it is our duty to root for our team and demand that a good product is put out on the field. Worrying about cost should not be our concern. In my opinion, Jimmy has earned the right to stick around for as long as he wants… it would kill me to see him wearing any other jersey. And to take it one step further, there is no other shortstop on the open market or in our farm system that I would rather see playing shortstop right now. Lets worry about filling in the gaps later – if a four year deal goes bad in three years, we’ll deal with it then and I’m confident that we can build a contract that makes sense for everyone in years three and four. Right now, all I care about is putting the team on the field that can repeat this year’s success (and build upon it). Step one – sign Jimmy Rollins.

    Full disclosure: Jimmy Rollins is my All-Time favorite Phillies player. My son has worn #11 throughout his little league years and lists his position as SS in honor of J-Roll. I believe that Jimmy’s claim that we were “the team to beat” in 2007 is what ultimately turned the page on an otherwise dark period for this franchise. Also, I’ve had three twitter conversations with J-Roll…

     
  • Posts: 0 Sandy Durso

    Your 24 …….I am 47 …..What I have learned is that things change. Players move on and so do teams. You remember some fondly. You remember others as never living up to expectations. I think Jimmy Rollins will be remembered fondly in this town if he leaves. There comes a time when for the future of the organization you have to sometimes part with old familar and loved players if you want to remain consistently competative. Its a business and baseball decision and those organiztions that can find the balance of supporting their players while at the same time knowing when to move on will be the most sucessful.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      The real question is that in the case of Rollins, is it really time to move on just now? The market is pretty dry for SS, and the Phils have no prospects who are guaranteed ready, let alone “can’t miss.” Rollins is still rated as the second most desirable free agent SS behind Jose Reyes, and although Rollins has had some injuries, he’s still played in about 100 more games in the past three years as compared to that NY hotdog (he even played in more this year).

      Sure, he might prove a liability further down the road, but none of us knows that for sure. Personally, I think he’ll do fine, no matter what team he’s with. His attitude alone will keep him going.

       
  • Posts: 0 davehist

    The Phillies sold Robin Roberts to the Yankees, Schilling to Arizona, let Burrell walk, traded Abreu, traded Thome. It’s what happens in baseball, because players get older, conditions change, needs change. I hope the Phillies keep Rollins, but it will not surprise me if he’s gone. The baseball team will remain, with someone else out there between the second and third basemen.And I’ve been following the Phillies for 68 years.

     
    • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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      Dave, the only player you mentioned on this list that MIGHT have an attachment to the people would be RR – Schilling was a love/hate, Burrell – who knows what it was or why he got such a pass while he was here, Bobby was probably more hated than anything and Thome was only here for a short period of time..
      Your point is well taken, just some of the names I have trouble seeing an affinity to.

       
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    At one point, my eyes started to swell up – you are right, we will miss Jimmy more than we even imagine. Not so much his average, his glove even but his swagger, the confidence we all felt in him being there – just like you know there will always be something to eat in mom’s fridge.

    I too don’t want to see him go, if just for those reasons -

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Brooks, I hope your eyes don’t “swell up” to the point they knock your shades off.

      I always felt confident with Rollins in the field; not so much at the plate. I agree, though, that people will miss him more than they’d imagine. Except maybe The Dipsy.

       
  • Posts: 0 davehist

    Hey, Brooks, at least I refrained from mentioning Scott Rolen.I could have added Mickey Morandini or Del Ennis. Well, no, I guess there weren’t many who got dewey-eyed over Del, good and reliable as he was.

     
  • Posts: 0 phil

    What do you mean you didn’t feel confident with jimmy at the plate. He was a league average hitter for his career according to ops. He had decent power and great speed and slightly below average obp. That production coming from the worst offensive position on the field makes him very above average offensively. Don’t sell him short. Jimmy rollins isn’t too far away from putting together a hall of fame career…

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      I didn’t say I had NO confidence, just not so much. He’s always been streaky and sometimes very frustrating. Watching him in one of his slumps could be downright painful.
      I don’t think that’s selling him short, but just stating my thoughts.

      Also, speed has nothing to do with “at the plate;” you have to get on before that can become a factor. But once on, he definitely inspires confidence because he’s not only fast, but knows how to use that speed.

       
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  • Posts: 79 branderson925

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    Wow the first great, albeit long, Baumann article I have ever read. Thought I would never see the day.

    Being 21 and with an equal love and passion for this team since around 96-97, I can relate so much.

    Rollins is the face of this franchise and I would hate to see money bring him out of Philly. He needs to play his entire career here. He’s the spark, the glow. He’s endured the bitter dark period of the early 2000′s and the sweet taste of victory in 2008. He deserves to win again with this team and I think it might actually happen.

     
  • Posts: 1 scrantonphilfan

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    I am probably one of the oldest phil fans on here, going back to 1960. My heart and baseball soul have been broken many times, by us letting the good players go, ie Richie “Dick” Allen, Juan Samuel, Larry Bowa (as a player) etc. But MLB is a business in the end, and the owners and RA are going to run it as such.
    So, even I will have a tear in my eye if we don’t sign J-RO…..but hey that’s just the way we roll. We will survive, we knew this was coming, you can’t have megastar payroll and aging guys and stay the same.

     
    • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

      Please don’t take offense to this…

      I think that older fans have a tougher time believing that we can afford to spend a little more on players that are desirable. They have been spoon fed the ideology that we’re not in the same league as the Yankees when it comes to bargaining power and that “baseball is a business.” That is a false ideology. Baseball is not a business… owning a franchise is a business and being a GM requires you to work within your budget but as baseball fans, our focus should be on the end product. There are many ways to make money running a franchise and right now, this team is making money winning games. Winning games requires good players and sometimes you have to overpay for good players. Jimmy Rollins is still a good player. He is the second best SS on the free-agent market in terms of talent, first in terms of heart/grit/intangibles.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    I’d be a lot more upset if we were saying farewell to the 2007 Jimmy Rollins. In reality, we’re saying goodbye to the 2012-2015 Jimmy Rollins, so I think the organization will be just fine without him. Locking him into the kind of deal that he’s after would be a mistake, and at some level we all know that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    As a fan you worry about contract dollars for a simple reason.

    When your team gets stupid and grossly over pays for a player ( see first base) it hand cuffs you. If that contract doesn’t exist you are LEADING contender for Pujos or Fielder.

    Jimmy has earned nothing. As far as the future. He was paid for his efforts here.
    There is no owing or paying for past performance.

    The front office has tried to please some of the fan base that doesn’t understand the sport.
    And it gets the team further regressing year after year.
    You bring all these old guys back in their entirety and what?
    They wont get hurt and will revert to 2008?
    Some miracle of steroids or divine intervention?

    The team has to get younger and hungrier or you will get less further. Like you got less further in 2009 then less further in 2010 then less further in 2011. With the same guys.
    Only your pitching got better every year. But the line up continues to fail.

    It just amazes me that some want all the old guys back. Another year older.

    The easiest way to knock the rigimortis out of this line up is to let players walk away.
    Then trade some of the fossils/ sacred cows for younger players.
    The Phillies had no chance this year from day 1 with this line up. But hey bring them all back next year.
    I believe in miracles.

    If you go into 2012 with hopes of the same guys reverting back to 2008 its impossible.
    My by regressing in 2009 and 2010 and 2011. The next regression is to not make the playoffs.

    Bring them all back and watch it happen.
    And you guys will wonder why the greatest team in baseball lost.

    Its because you are over paying old guys and are afraid to let them walk away.

    Contracts matter. I dont care what they make. But there is a budget and you cant just pay any stiff 25 million a year or eventually you will become the Cubs. Reference Zambrano and Soriano.

     
    • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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      Comon’ Andy, we’re sharing a soft spot here for Jimmy Rollins, the main man in the lineup since 2006, the vinegar for the piss.

      And seriously, given the talent that is available, the needs the Phils have to fill, don’t you think that offereing Jimmy a 2 year deal for $15 mil would allow us to focus on other positions?

       
    • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

      So you’re going to overpay for Fielder and Pujols and not for Howard… you’d give Pujols the 10 year/$30 million deal he’s asking for?

      Look at what the Yankees are paying Teixeira, A-Rod, CC and Jeter. Are any of those guys giving the Yankees a discount? Good teams fill the needs of their team with the best players they can find. Either that or you build from the ground up and hope to get lucky with farmhands… the latter strategy is much more difficult to employ. There is no reason that we have to get crazy. Rollins is the best fit at SS for us right now and next year. In three years… maybe not but we’ll figure it out then – Rollins’ contract is not going to handcuff this team. Howard’s contract doesn’t look good but I have faith in him and there’s not much you can do at this point besides add talent around him. You wanna go nuts, go ahead and go nuts but I see us making minor adjustments and being right there.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Repeat this years success?

    Go ask Halladay and Ruiz how successful a year it was.
    This is a BIG problem.

    The hoarding and sentimentalty is killing this team.
    If game 5 vs St Louis would have gone 100 innings the Phillies were not scoring in that game.

    I do not call that a success. I call losing in round one with one of the greatest pitching staffs in baseball history an epic fail.

    2008 win world series
    2009 lose world series
    2010 lose NLCS
    2011 lose NLDS

    FYI thats not building. And its not a success.
    Its called a clear regression.

    The braves won 16 strainght division titles and 1 world series. The marlins won 0 divisions in the same period but 2 world series titles. The Marlins were 2 times as successful as the Braves.

    To be honest it just boggles my mind how anyone could want to go out again with the same line up a year older and slower and more injury prone.

    I do not understand the mentality. I do not understand being emotionaly attached like they are your pets or children. I am emotinaly attached to the team winning. And that can be achieved by not over paying for old guys on the decline.

    I try not to post alot here because Its ok you guys live in your fantasy land. And I am cool with it. And I understand that my throwing reality on the situation really doesnt help some you understand. So you guys carry on. And I want them to win too.
    But I cant not be able to see things that are plain to me. I dont see how Rollins Utley Pence Howard Polanco Ruiz and Victorino can do anything in next year playoffs.
    What would make anyone think they could or would be better than this year? Or 2010?

     
    • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

      In every case, we’ve lost to the eventual World Champion… it’s not regression, it’s running into the wrong team at the wrong time. We won more games than any other team in baseball this year… that is success and it’s something to build on. I never said I was satisfied but you can’t look at this season and call it a complete failure. I’m as devastated as everyone else with the way it ended but you don’t win 102 games by chance. We have a great team that needs a little tweaking… quit acting like the window is closing, because it’s not. We STILL have one of the best pitching staffs ever created. Remember, the 1971 Orioles with four 20 game winners didn’t win the World Series in 1971, either… they actually won it in 1970.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    @ Brooks
    I want to win the world series next year.
    The only thing I am 100% sure of is this.
    Rollins Polanco Utley Howard Pence Victorino Ruiz cannot win the world series next year.

    Why would any person think they could?
    The easiest way to start dismantling that is to not resign the FAs.

    You really need to try to win it next year as Lee and Halladay get old and their contracts ( especially Lee) will become a burden too. To me next year is the last window of oppourtunity.

    You really think bringing the same group back will do better a year older?
    I just cannot see it.

    Ill have what you are drinking though
    Kool aid and vodka = good :)

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    And I am not really even meaning to single Jimmy out.
    If they bring him back and trade one or two of Utley or Shane or Polanco or Ruiz ( cant trade the untradable wont mention his name) I am OK with Jimmy coming back.

    This line up must change. I personaly would liek to see a mangerial change too.
    Must win in 2012. And win it all. Or the Lee deal becomes as bad as the first basemans.

     
  • Posts: 3084 Chuck A.

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    @Brooks…. “offer Jimmy a 2 year deal for $15 mil” ?????? ……

    …….hahahahahahahahahaha

    I’m laughing and so would Jimmy.

     
    • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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      We know the money offer is not realistic Chuck.
      But, it would be out there for him to turn down.

       
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    Ah, until your last comment I was going to gripe at you for being cranky again …
    Jimmy is not as much a problem I think as Poly. If you put the SS position at rest, focus on say third base. Or as suggested before, move Chase to first, Poly to second, keep Jimmy at SS and full boar after Wright – when/if Howard comes back, shift Chase back to 2nd, Poly on the bench.

    And yes, I would take my chances with Pence, Vic, Mayberry (in left) along with that infield BUT – I would do something with the leadership position. Direction has to change and normally that is where it starts – (Its hard to argue with #102).

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Utley I think has value as a 2b in a trade.
    I want 3 new players. LF will be one so I want 2 new players out of 2B 3B SS CF and C.
    I do not include waiting for the first baseman to come back as a new player.

    That Ruiz is my favorite Phillie of all time is documented. I thnk he is the best catcher in the game. But he has taken alot of punishment and is getting up there. Id hate to see him go.
    And doubt you could get what he is worth back.

    But this line up has to change.

    “Trade a player a year too early rather than a year too late.”
    - Branch Rickey

    Sad thing is that boat may have already sailed. It is probably already a year too late.

     
  • Posts: 1099 betasigmadeltashag

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    All Hail AFW the last word on how to run a team, we need to win now, and we are going to do that with Galvis at SS, Mayberry in CF Brown in LF and Pence in RF then we can trade utley for dan ugla and get rid of Chooch and bring up a catcher from AAA, there is your younger team I am sure there will be an awesome offensive out put there.
    Who are you going to put at SS that will give this team a better chance of winning this year, or 2nd for that matter or Catcher, do you have suggestions that are not fantasy based, maybe we can get Fielder and teach him to play third base. you constant holier than thou routine kills me, We all know you hate Ryan Howard even if he does come back healthy and contribute, he will have one bad game somewhere and you will kill him for it.
    The playoffs especially in the first round is a crap shot every year. so Yes if this team played like they did in July/August until they clinched, when they rolled through Atlanta and Milwalkee they can win next year. I really think you need to come out of the closet and admit to being a Nationals fan. Because you are just flat out annoying everytime you post

    But I like it because it just proves that moving away from Philly fans like you 15 years ago was the right decision

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Why bother debating with AFW? For that matter, why bother reading AFW? His posts vary about as much as the ingredients in a brick.

      I know for some it’s tempting, but I think I’ve gotten over such masochism.

       
  • Posts: 0 PhillyFanSam

    What I’m seeing in both the article and from the comments is the emotional attachment that fans develop for players on their favorite teams. Unfortunately, emotional decisions are not what drives the decision making process if baseball is truly run as a business. That is why what seems unthinkable to fans for a team to let go of their favorite player simply becomes the result of a business decision based on money, budgets and other such business related factors. The players and the management equally share in these decisions/negotiations when approaching it strictly from a business perspective.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillieMo

    I’m from KC and we enjoyed “Joe-Po’s” column a few times a week. He still writes for the local paper from time to time. I love his work–he’s one of the best! I’m glad he’s getting a national following; he’s worth the time. Go J-Roll!

     
  • Posts: 1099 betasigmadeltashag

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    If you take emotion out of it and I say who is out there or in the minors that will give you a better chance to win this year or next

     
 
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