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Free Agency: Madson, Papelbon, Burrell

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, November 10, 2011 07:07 PM | Comments: 20
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Is it the end of the road for Burrell? (PHOTO AP)

–Yesterday, we heard from Jon Heyman of SI.com that the Phillies and Ryan Madson had agreed to a four year, $44 million deal with a fifth-year option. All that was left was for David Montgomery to OK it. Well, that no longer seems to be the case.

Jayson Stark of ESPN.com says he has spoken to Ruben Amaro Jr. who calls the claim “unequivocally false.” Amaro claims there was never a deal in place between the two sides.

–That said, Jonathan Papelbon enters the picture if Ryan Madson exits it. That’s what Heyman says, referring to the Phillies brass who like Papelbon if the Madson deal falls through. That would be an interesting scenario, as I believe they would both cost roughly the same amount of money.

Papelbon and Madson are just a few months apart and both have had success as a closer, although Papelbon’s is much longer as a ninth-inning guy.

–Pat Burrell tells the AP his career is pretty much over. “I have not decided yet, but I don’t think I can play anymore,” Burrell said. “It hurts me to say that.” The 35-year old former Phillie played in only 92 games this past season and has battled injury issues for much of his career.

It always looked painful watching Burrell run in the outfield and it seems like yesterday he was roaming around in left field for the 2008 champion Phillies.

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  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    I wish Pat Burrell the very best in his retirement. I fully respect his opinion to retire as he has not looked good the past couple years.

     
    • Posts: 0 Roger W.

      As a Phillies season ticket holder,I loved Pat and the way he played in Philadelphia. If it wasn’t for Pat’s lead-off double in the bottom of the 7th inning in Game 5, the Phillies might NOT have won the 2008 World Series. Wishing the best of everything for Pat in his retirement.

       
  • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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    Why are we listening to anything Heyman says? If yesterday was unequivocally false, so is today as far as I’m concerned. His job is to stir up rumors, he is useless. I see him sometimes on MLB Network, he contributes nothing.

    Now Brian Kenny, host of the new show Clubhouse Confidential on MLB network is great, I highly recommend that show.

    I also wish the best to Pat the Bat in retirement if he goes that route. Don’t be too hurt about it Pat, at least you can actually retire, something many Americans will never be able to do.

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      Heyman isn’t the only one. With blogs and social media, all the national reporters are tripping over themselves to be the one to break a story. If you follow them on Twitter, it can be comical to watch a story develop.

       
      • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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        Whatever happened to having credible sources? Now it’s blogs with video advertising. They’ll say anything to make you read it, so you see the freakin ads.

         
  • Posts: 0 HeelsPhils

    I want nothing to do w Pappelbon. If we don’t sign Madson, go cheap.

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    My gut tells me that there exists some major friction between Amaro and Montgomery, and that may, in fact, be a good thing. It does look like we already have some decent young arms as relievers in the organization. I don’t really know how much of a gamble we can absorb and still win by going cheap on the bullpen. We may be able to get a viable closer cheap. Papelbon and Madson seem to want too much. We need infield help and we do need to commit to Dom Brown, who will be 25 next year. It is time to turn over stuff to the young studs in this organization, or seek players with some experience but some youth. For instance , what about Emilio Bonafacio for shortstop? Wilson Betamit for third base and utility, Matt Capps for the bullpen?

     
    • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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      Why should the Phillies sign Betemit, a career .270 hitter who had an up year hitting, but his fielding is still suspect with 11 errors in 87 games? He also had 8 errors at 3rd base in 53 games in 2010. Should we bench Polanco, who had a down year hitting .277, plus earned a Gold Glove with only 8 errors in 118 games? Shouldnt we upgrade 3rd base instead of downgrade? Bonifacio would be ok, but Betemit? Did you look at his stats at all? He also has 21 innings at 2nd base in the 3 yearsand 27 at 1st. We wouldnt need him for 1st. 2nd and SS, he has very little experience, and I would rather have Valdez out there instead of Betemit. Betemit may be ok at hitting, but his fielding is very suspect.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      Matt Capps is a lousy closer. In 2011 he was 15 for 24 in saves, with a 4.25 ERA and a .262 batting average against. It was a particularly bad year for him, but most of his other years haven’t been a whole lot better. He’s racked up a lot of blown saves.

      Betemit’s fielding is suspect, and his normal batting average is a lot worse than it was in 2011.

      Emilio Bonifacio is not a free agent yet, and could therefore cost a player. His career stats are no better than Rollins’, although with more experience they could improve. But Galvis could turn out to be just as good.

      I’ll trust the scouts on Brown, who say he’s not ready.

      I agree the team needs to bring in some youth, but they need to bring in some good youth, not marginal players.

       
  • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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    Now Heyman on Hot Stove said Madson is gone, he will not sign with the Phillies.

    And I’m telling you, he and his buddy Rosenthal don’t know anything for certain.

     
  • Posts: 1115 betasigmadeltashag

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    Maybe it is good to have some oversight on RAJ. And as much as BART SHART usually rambles about crap and just likes to stir sht up. He is actually on target here with exception of the SS position which should be JRoll’s for three more years and I do not put Dom Brown out there sink or swim, you have JMJ in left, cause D Brown is still a year away to play in the big leagues, and the one thing is listen to the coaches in AAA and change his swing to be able to hit ML pitchers. Bull pens can be created over a season with young arms and pick ups along the way there really is not need to spend big money there. Say the closers for the Phillies were not as good as they played last year what would have happened only win 94-95 games. If the young arms are not working out you go out and buy a piece for half a year to get you over the top, Even if you bring in Capps at 5-6 million, and Nathan with an incentive layden contract I would be fine with that

     
  • Posts: 81 Tom

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    I’ll never forget watching Pat the Bat when he was Grand Marshall of the 2008 parade…he looked as giddy as a school kid riding up front with his dog!! Thanks for the memories Pat! I would rather see the Phils go after a Joe Nathan type and spend the money on more important needs like SS and another bat!! Can’t see the logic of committing to a 4+ year contract to any closer!!

     
  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    Why shouldn’t Patty hang it up? 2 WS rings (only 1 hit), he was loved in this city, regardless of what he did. Hey, who wouldn’t like to say he or she can retire at 35?

    If he remotely thinks he is not sure he could play, he should not even waste his time or any one elses money at this point – and at the end of the day say, “Good night and God Bless”.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Pat can probably still play the question he is facing is can he play at a decent level. At this point he has made millions and two rings. Nothing to play for now unless he wants a Thome type of role.

     
  • Posts: 1048 EricL

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    I wish The Machine well in his retirement. I would wish him luck in his future women-picking-up endeavors, but (1) he’s married now, I think and (2) he doesn’t need much luck there, from what I understand.

     
  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    I’m so glad that nobody on this site has even mentioned bringing Patty back here..

     
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    Brooks, when I first signed on and saw the headline, “Free Agency: Madson, Papelbon, Burrell”….. I immediately thought that the Phillies were considering Pat’s services. NOT a good way to start my day! That said, I DO wish Burrell the best and thank him for 2008 (and the years preceding)….even if he was a dck in 2010 during the NLCS.

     
  • Posts: 0 Malcolm

    5 Things About Pat the Bat: Has 2 WS rings – Helped revitalize a weak Philadelphia offense with Bobby and Jimmy – Had a great pair of eyes, often got the strikeout looking for the walk though – Used to be taken out late in the game in place of a defensive substitutes, which was a mistake slightly more often as it was not – Is smart for taking care of his knees – Saw him smoking a Newport outside of Irish Pub on 17th when I used to live in the city. I always liked that.

    Make the right decision and save the body while you can, Pat. You weren’t Babe Ruth, but you’ll be get free cheesesteaks and drinks on the house in Philadelphia for the rest of your life. Best of luck.

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      lol, when I read you line, “…had a great pair of eyes…” I thought for a second you might be one of many who have fallen for his manly charms! ha

       
  • Posts: 448 Ian Riccaboni

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    @Brooks – I wouldn’t want to sign him for long term but here is THE guy pegged to turn our fortunes around in 1998 that we took no. 1 overall. I’d sign him for one day and let him retire a Phil.

    There hasn’t been too many guys in Major League history, in fact Burrell is the only one off-hand I can think of, to get drafted to a team who is in free fall mode and stick with the team long enough to deliver a title to the team with a good year to boot. You can mention Jimmy as the player who helped create an identity for this current Phillies team run but Pat the Bat came in with huge expectations and walked away with a World Series and remained respectful with the organization. I want Pat the Bat in Phils uniform for one more day. If they did it for Lieby, they’ll do it for Pat.

    @Lefty – totally agree with you about Heyman. Seems to spew junk 75% of the time and gets it right by accident 15% of the time. 10% of the time it falls in between.

     
 
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