Phils Close to Re-signing Brian Schneider

Posted by Corey Seidman, Wed, November 16, 2011 12:13 AM | Comments: 20
Free Agency, Transactions

The Phillies are nearing a deal to bring back backup catcher Brian Schneider.

The Phillies are nearing a deal with Brian Schneider, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports.

The terms are not yet clear, but one would imagine the Phillies are re-signing Schneider to a one-year deal. Schneider is coming off of a poor offensive season and, unfortunately for him, his “handling” of Vance Worley and Kyle Kendrick in 2011 isn’t attention-grabbing when it comes to dollars and cents.

Ruben Amaro originally signed Schneider to a two-year, $2.75 million contract prior to 2010. In two seasons with the Phillies, Schneider hit .208/.297/.320 with six home runs in 286 plate appearances.

Schneider spent time on the disabled list both years.

The market for catchers this offseason is unexciting to say the least. The most intriguing option is Ryan Doumit, but he was never really a fit with the Phillies. Doumit is a huge defensive liability behind the plate that you wouldn’t feel comfortable starting five or six days a week if Carlos Ruiz were to get injured.

Doumit was also going to be more expensive than a guy like Schneider. I’m predicting the Schneider deal is one-year, $1.1 million. Doumit turned down an offer from the Dodgers of one-year, $3 million.

This isn’t a move that will generate excitement — Schneider will soon be 35 and over the past two seasons has been worth -0.3 WAR. But in the grand scheme of things, the Phillies needed a cheap backup catcher for 2012 and this just isn’t a front office that will trust Erik Kratz in that role.

If the Phils sign Schneider to the deal predicted above, they’ll have about $155 million committed to 21 players after the arbitration cases take place.

They still need to fill holes at shortstop, left field, in the bullpen and on the bench.

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  • Posts: 0 Chris

    If its less than 2 mill for 1 year I’m fine with this deal. He did his job calling the games he was in fairly well. Hitting wise he was awful but he will probably improve those numbers next year. The Phils probably could have gone with someone like Eric Kratz and saved a little bit of money but the money saved wouldn’t have been that much compared to the Phillies payroll as a whole.

  • Posts: 0 Eric

    I think it’s a good deal. He probably won’t command much of a salary and he worked well with our pitchers. Plus overall he’s a likeable guy in the clubhouse.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    This article mentions WAR.
    So Donny and the other boys can complain about back up catcher too.

    What was the record in games Schneider started?
    But Donny and the boys will cry about back ups and 5th starters.
    While jocking the over priced over paid regulars who are the root of the problem.

    Valdez and Schneider and the other bit parts are the best thing the Phils have going for them.

    But the hero worshippers think its all Utley Rollins and the big contract.
    The best team.
    They lost but they are the best.
    Donny needs to extend the big contract. In 2018 what will we do?

  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    This is absolutely ridiculous what frack seriously i have no words for this….Ok one Really…

  • Posts: 3084 Chuck A.

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    I think Andrew from Waldorf has a man crush on Don M.

  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    Well, AFW is right in the fact that the Phils record with Schnieder starting in the catchers role was pretty incredible but, what did he do? If Schnieder had started any of the NLDS games, would his hitlessness done anything for a W? The Phils had plenty of nothing without him.

    I say bleh. He did not get a hit when needed, the other players around him performed, even if their contracts weren’t called ‘mega deals’. Did Schnieder’s presence make them better? Really?

  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    Anyone, aside from all the hating on this page…

    Was hoping they might give Kratz a shot. From what I heard when I was at Spring Training, the guys loved him. Doc actually asked for him to catch a few times, I believe. And Kratz is no youngster, so it’s not like you’d be bringing in a wet-behind-the-ears kid.

    Its a relatively minor move, so I don’t mind it because Schneider is so well-liked. And when he played, they won games, plain and simple.

  • Posts: 5522 Lefty

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    Schneider is alright with me, he’s a solid defensive catcher. I don’t think it’s fair to use WAR to measure him, he is the replacement. It would have been better if we had a whole season out of him the last two years. I’ll say this, while Brian was out, the drop off to Dane Sardinha was disturbingly pronounced.

    What’s the deal with Kratz, at age 31 is he just a AAA lifer?

  • Posts: 454 Ian Riccaboni

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    @Pat – definitely was hoping for Kratz, too. Seems to have a really good bat and has killed Triple A pitching.

    @Lefty – Sardinha must have compromising photos of someone in the Phils front office. Between all the options the Phils had across 2010-2011 of minor league back-up catchers and and somehow he kept getting called up? I agree, huge drop off there.

  • Posts: 0 George

    My complaint is not about Schnieder; he’s a perfectly adequate backup.

    But a negative WAR? I think that shows how asinine that stat can be sometimes, particularly when dealing with second string players who are only in there for defense and pitch-calling skills. Does anyone besides a saber geek even care that a backup catcher can’t hit? LaRussa once said of his STARTING catcher that he’d play him even if his average was .000. One wonders what Molina’s WAR would be if he actually did bat that badly.

    There’s more to a lot of positions than offense, and more to a roster than big names.

    • Posts: 0 Rich

      If you paid attention to advanced stats you’d know that WAR doesn’t yet incorporate catcher defense. There are many outside studies but they haven’t been incorporated into WAR just yet, give it a year and catcher WAR will be up to speed. You really shouldn’t compllain about stuff you know nothing about

  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Corey…. is there something we’re missing about the “handling” of Worley and Kendrick??

    I wish i could even comprehend what a certain someone is trying to call me out for..?? Anyone that understands more than 15% of the above rant driected my way, please fill me in, so I can respond accordingly. Thanks!

    • Posts: 312 Corey Seidman

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      It’s just an overblown, meaningless stat/concept. Worley and Kendrick’s success had more to do with Worley’s first shot at the big leagues and Kendrick’s continued improvement into a serviceable big league piece.

      I think if you put Sardinha or Kratz behind the plate for those games pitched by Worley and Kendrick we would have seen the same (or indistinguishable differences in) results.

      There is obviously no way to know, because we can’t go back in time, but I agree completely with Brooks.

      It’s not as if Schneider contributed to that record with him in the lineup by hitting well, or much better than Carlos Ruiz. The Phillies just happened to win games he started.

      The Phillies had an insane record in 2009 when Pedro Feliz started games. Shows you what a stat like that means.

  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Not really a bad move with Schneider. I also would like to see Kratz move up and he will be wearing the red pinstripes before the end of the 2012 campaign. Just read an article about the possiblity of the Phils trading Hamels in a blockbuster trade with the Yankees for SS Edwin Nunez and minor leaguers. Interesting. This would not surprise me at all. And it actually may be good for the team. But I would want more than a backup shortstop and minor leaguers.
    Of course, who really gives a heap about what I would want?

    • Posts: 0 Chris

      What a joke of a move that would be. A deal centered around a backup SS? Heck we have Galvis for that. Any move concerning Hamels (not that I want one) should start with a 3B that can be a stud and end with a few prospects like a pitcher, a catcher and or an Outfielder. And all those prospects should be guys that are fairly highly rated.

    • Posts: 0 George

      The joke is not the deal, but the idea that someone would actually think up such a ridiculous rumor. Even the Dipsy wouldn’t propose something THAT stupid.

  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I would be very happy to see Schneider back if only because he seems to have a positive impact on Worley. If Worley needs Schneider to keep being as successful as he was last year then by all means bring him back.

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  • Posts: 0 geoff

    Under no circumstances will Hamels be traded. They will extend him this year, Pence next year. However, you will need to clear some more salary over the next 12 months for Pence. Hopefully we can bring in a cheaper Shortstop who has some flexibility and can play a few position. I think our infield really need to have multiple options this year and more than one player who can play more than one position. Utley and Rollins are too inflexible, and I wouldnt mind letting Rollins go, and finding a new home for Chase Utley via trade. Actually, I have been calling for Chase Utley to be traded for about 18 months now.

  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    I will wait until we hear a number. If it is $1.5 or under then OK. More than that is a waste.

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