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Pujols Signs with LAA; Could STL Shoot for Rollins?

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, December 08, 2011 08:50 AM | Comments: 161
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UPDATE, Thursday 10:20 am: Albert Pujols has inked one of the richest contracts in MLB history with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. It goes 10 years, $250-260 million with a full no-trade clause. The Angels slipped in late and got themselves one of the best hitters in the history of the game. What does this mean for the Phillies?

Well, this could mean potentially more dollars in a contract for Jimmy Rollins. With money to spend and a need at shortstop, the Cardinals could now be a player for Rollins – that is, once they wipe the tears of losing one of the best players we’ve ever seen. That has to hurt.

But will this ultimately hurt the Phillies chances of retaining Rollins? Or at least, make it more difficult. This could drive the price of a Rollins-to-the-Phillies contract higher with a new team possibly entering the fray.

This is definitley something to keep an eye on…

UPDATE, Thursday 8:50 am: While nothing has been finished as of yet, and may not be before the end of the Winter Meetings, all signs point to a deal between the two sides soon. Jon Heyman, now of CBSSports.com, says that the Phillies aren’t saying one way or another, but he doesn’t see another outcome.

Last night, the Brewers cancelled a meeting with Rollins’ agent, Dan Lozano. Milwaukee was thought to be a possible suitor for Jimmy, but that no longer seems to be the case.

That means one less team is in the race for Young James, although teams can pop back up at any time. If St. Louis were to lose Albert Pujols, Rollins could be an alternative signing.

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UPDATE, 5:15 pm: Jim Duquette of Sirius/XM MLB Network radio says the Phillies and Rollins have come to terms on a new contract. However, Jayson Stark of ESPN.com and Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com have not confirmed this as of yet. So, we wait.

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Originally posted Wednesday, December 8 at 12:36 pm

After a few days of talking at the Winter Meetings between the Phillies brass and Jimmy Rollins agent, Dan Lozano, it appears the two sides could be getting closer to reaching a new contract agreement.

Chris Singleton of ESPN has been in Dallas this entire week and tweets today that a source within the Phillies organization tells him there are some encouraging signs pointing to a new deal in the works.

“@c_singleton: Got a pretty encouraging report from a #phillies person that a deal will get done with @JimmyRollins11 soon.”

This is very encouraging news amid the rumors that the Phillies are interested in Gio Gonzalez, possibly for Domonic Brown. It has basically been a foregone conclusion that Rollins will end up back in Philly – although as we’ve seen over the past week in Dallas, anything can happen and happen quickly.

Todd Zolecki of MLB.com reports the same from Dallas. He says on his blog that most people in the Hilton Anatole (where the meetings are located) believe J-Roll will remaing here. Zo says he thinks it’ll happen next week, a gut guess.

Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt says J-Roll is staying put as well.

“@Haudricourt: #Brewers hearing that Jimmy Rollins is staying with Phillies, so looks like he’s out as possible SS option.”

How much do you give Jimmy? Fair value, in my estimation, would be 3 years, $34-37 million with a vesting option for a fourth season that would trigger with a certain number of plate appearances. What say you?

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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Yes I would also agree to beware giving Ramirez more than 3 years. I’d be leery about that, low strikeout numbers though, but not sure if it was the best fit.

    All I am saying is look at the team that won the World Series in 2008. That was a real team with all the necessary parts. They have spent so much money (thankfully, on pitching especially) yet the past few years they clearly did not have all the pieces, they have had an all-star lineup and absolutely no backup plan as to what happens when they go cold. Besides, looking at the teams that win, that is usually what you see – some big stars, but a lot of role players and platoon players (exception, Yankees). I don’t even really believe in spending money on anything other than pitching and a few key position players.

     
    • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

      “That was a real team with all the necessary parts.”

      Just curious… what would you say was better about that 2008 team than the 2011 team which saw the Phillies win 102 regular season games? That ’08 team trotted out Hamels, Myers, Moyer and Blanton in the postseason. That ’08 team started Pat Burrell in LF. Our key bench players included Geoff Jenkins, Greg Dobbs and Eric Bruntlett. Pedro Feliz started at 3B and hit .249… .249.

      Listen, man… you can knock the 2011 team for falling short of expectations but I don’t think you can blame it on not having the necessary parts. They didn’t get it done – plain and simple. They allowed themselves to run into a buzz saw and there was nothing they could do about it. But you can’t say that our lineup/rotation wasn’t better last season with Pence, Lee, Halladay, Polanco, Ibanez (yes, Ibanez > Burrell).

       
      • Posts: 0 Geoff

        They ran into a buzzsaw three postseasons in a row. They still have a bunch of guys who hit home runs or strike out. They don’t play small ball, they don’t have the players who can do those little chippy things you need to do. In other words…grinders. People who haven’t go the big fat paycheck yet…people who are hungry.

        Did you see one single hitter in the world series weakly flail at a bad pitch like the majority of this lineup is known for? No..I watched every game and I did not see one flailing, throwaway at bat. Everything was worked for..

        What was better about it? Really? That’s the point. It was a team. Position by position I don’t know that the 08 team was better at any single position, quite right. But titles aren’t won in meaningless blowouts in the regular season against mostly bad pitching and mostly average or bad teams.

         
      • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

        They had those same problems in 2008, Geoff… what is your point? Let me try to gather what you’re getting at here – a real team doesn’t spend money… unless you’re the Yankees… teams win with “grinders” not talent.

        I think that you can either sit around and try to get lucky growing talent or you can spend money and be right there every year… we won 102 games. We didn’t win a championship but winning 102 games means a lot. The hottest team in October is just as likely to win a championship as the best team. You can’t plan on being the hottest team. You can’t buy Cody Ross circa 2010 without the side effects of Cody Ross 2011. The Angels had a lot of “grinders” on their roster last year… didn’t help them. I’d rather see us build a franchise that looks good on paper than one that relies on grinders, prayers and luck.

         
    • Posts: 0 George

      That’s maybe why Amaro has concentrated on the bench this off season. The old crew of role players didn’t do much in 2011.

      I’m sure Manuel found it difficult to take out a Polanco just to put in a Martinez.

       
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    The rest of it you can assemble cheaply each year. Even with the bullpen, its nice to have a big closer, but you can assemble the rest off the scrap heap each year because relief pitching is so wild from year to year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Thank goodness Ruben did not make that deal for Pujols. Someone should fire the GM of the Angels!

     
    • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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      Yeah, so just how stupid is Ruin, Tomorrow, Jr. now? That last 4-5 years of the Pujols deal will be the albatros of albatrosses. Howard’s deal will look like a STEAL by the time it’s over and Pujols’ …..at age 37….still has 5 more to go at $25M per.

       
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        No, those last 4 years of Pujols’ contract will be fine. He’ll be on an AL team where he can DH, and he’s one of the best hitters in the history of the game. Howard, on the other hand, is essentially a platoon-caliber player who unfortunately plays every day.

        Further, Pujols’ contract will pay him $25m per season in 2017-2021. Howard’s contract will pay him $25m/season from 2014-2016. Twenty-five million 2014 dollars are worth more than $25 million in 2017 dollars.

        To illustrate look to the increasing value of a win above replacement: one fWAR in 2002 was worth 2.8 million dollars. By 2005 one WAR was worth 3.5 million dollars, and by 2008 one WAR was worth 4.5 million.

        So, when you couple that with the fact that Pujols is much more likely to be productive late into his deal (I posted earlier how his career comports very favorably to that of Barry Bonds, who aged very well) it’s not the albatross that is being claimed. It’s an expensive contract, yes, and it’s possible that Pujols breaks down in the last years of that deal, but there are very few guys like Pujols, and those who do exist have been shown to age very well and are dominant into their late 30s, which makes this deal potentially decent.

        Finally, don’t try to exonerate Ruben Amaro Jr. by trying to find dumb things other GMs do (not that the Pujols signing was dumb). Saying, “Hey, look how stupid that GM is!” doesn’t make your GM smarter, it just means there’s more than one stupid GM in the league.

         
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        Let me expound on my previous comment, but in picture form.

        This image is why it’s absurd to compare Howard’s contract with Pujols’ contract: http://i.imgur.com/N950p.png

        They’re in different talent stratospheres, and Pujols projects to be better through age 40 than Howard is now. Look at the guys who he most accurately compares to, and where they ended up. If he finishes his career around 150 total WAR (the low end of those projections) his contract is essentially worth his production for and then some, assuming WAR/$ inflation over the next decade.

         
      • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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        I have no idea what you are going on and on about. The Howard contract sucks now, the Pujols contract will eventually suck.

        And did you really make a comment about how “very well Bonds aged”?

        Pffffffftttt- please!

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think the Angels have a GREAT rotation right now… (I actually loved their postseason chances last year, IF they would have managed to get in) ..

    I read though that Ervin Santana will be on the trade block.. and you’d have to think that lots of teams will be in on him … Yankees, RedSox, Reds, come to mind

     
  • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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    I am surprised there has not been alot of talk of the connection between Pujols and Rollins. THEY HAVE THE SAME AGENT! You don’t think Lozano has kept this whol thing in the back of his mind? You dont think that the second Lozano had a doubt in his mind that Pujols would not sign with the Cardinals, the Cardinals would go after Rollins with more money…in turn giving more money for himself?

     
    • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

      That could actually be detrimental in the Rollins/Cardinals negotiations… there could be some ill will towards Lozano, considering he just convinced his client to take more money elsewhere (rather than staying in St Louis).

       
      • Posts: 548 Brian Sr. of CO

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        I do not completely agree with that statement though and you said the reason yourself…”he just convinced his client to take more money elsewhere”. I can see the Cardinals fans having extreme hatred towards him because he basically said to the city of St Louis he doesn’t care about the city of St Louis, but cares more about the money. I am pretty sure the Owners and GM of the Cardinals realize that it is business. If they were willing to go that high, but didn’t even give them the chance, that would be one thing, but the Angels outbid the Cardinals by something like 34 MILLION for the same number of years? I believe the Cards offered $220 for 10, but his current deal is worth $254. I doubt there is ill will towards Pujols or his agent, but that is just me.

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    @ Manny …. I agree about moving Rollins from the leadoff spot … but while a lot of people hold it against Rollins that “he isn’t a good leadoff hitter” … I have never blamed him for that, because to me – its not his fault that in his 10 years here, they haven’t landed a better leadoff hitter

    and when they’ve tried Victorino in that spot, it didn’t work out that well..

     
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      Remember the way Jimmy started off the 2010 season? If we could get a glimpse of that, I’d shut it and become his biggest cheerleader.

       
  • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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    I feel a little bad for Texas, they blew it twice, and now it looks like their run is over. If the Angels take the West, Texas has little chance of winning the WC against the AL east.

    All along I thought Washington was the mystery team for Pujols, and LaRoche the first baseman that had to be moved, I guess we’ll never know now.

    The Cardinals need to make a bigger splash than Jimmy to satisfy their fans. Not that I don’t think they are in the bidding, and they definitely could drive Jimmy’s price up.

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      There aren’t a lot of big splashes left outside of Prints Fielder.

       
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    I wouldn’t count out Texas. They still have a better lineup than the Angels and with Feliz moving into the rotation, they could have a better ace than they did last year. Plus, their farm is stacked with pitchers.

    The big question mark is Kendry Morales – will he be healthy? Honestly, CJ Wilson is just as big of a move for them than Pujols, in terms of building for a championship now. A rotation that consists of Weaver, Haren, Wilson and Santana is as good as any.

    http://baseballjunkies.blogspot.com/2011/12/prince-albert-taking-his-legacy-west.html

     
  • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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    As for the argument about the offense, I’m willing to give it 4 months to see what it’s like with Mayberry, Pence and hopefully a full season of Utley to see if the offense is potent enough. (Like I have a choice right?)

    But I tend to agree with The Dipsy and others on this one. Some of you are stuck on overall numbers only. More specifically average runs over a regular season which do not represent the kind of pitching you face in the 11 important games at the end. Break it down further, and tell me how we do against the best pitching in the regular season- use only opposing teams’ number one, or number 1 and 2′s for example, or just use the best pitchers Then tell me how effective our offense is. I’ll be tracking it next season.

    By July, if it ain’t working against the best pitchers, somehow they’ll have to unload, reload, and hope for better results.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    While the Cards have the money to spend on Rollins they aren’t really interested in Rollins. Lozano has brought them up as a team that could possibly afford Rollins and has a SS opening but that’s just an agent talking. The Cards rarely commit to anyone longterm through free agency and considering that they aren’t going with Pujols I’m sure they plan on keeping that money available to lock up some players they currently have on the roster in the future. I will say that I think the Cards could be in on Madson though.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    LOL
    I COME HERE EVERY FEW DAYS FOR THIS

    first DONNY says contracts are irrelevant. Like talent in the playoffs.

    THEN people think Howard has value to another team beyond the Phillies paying 99% of his contract to weigh down another team.

    DONNY
    Tell them how much you can get in exchange for Howard
    LOLOLOLOLOL
    Priceless

     
    • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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      You just can’t be respectful in your posts, can you, Andrew?? No wonder 99.99999% of the commentors on here can’t stand you.

       
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    @OCP – Yes, many of those star players did have the same problems, but we definitely had better pieces around them for what you need in the postseason.

    Also, I am not opposed to spending big money, they have it, so spend it. But its how you spend it. Don’t forget, with a few exceptions, if you take out the Yankees and Red Sox the rest of the World Series winners in the post strike era were in the middle of the pack and below in payroll.

    Also, you just said you’d rather build a Franchise that looks good on paper? I want winners. In order to win, you need to have all the parts. Stars and role players alike, the mix is important. This club has definitely become a bit sluggish and overpaid. They are old. Chase Utley isn’t the same, neither is JRoll. Its time to freshen things up a bit thats all.

     
    • Posts: 0 Chris

      I don’t have a problem getting new blood in here if that new blood is better. However you point at Utley and Rollins and say let’s get some better guys. The question is who? Without Rollins we’d be downgrading the offense by a fair bit. The options that would be improvements or at least lateral moves are not available to us. Utley is basically the same thing.

      It’s all well and good to say let’s bring in some new blood but where is it coming from and is it at least as good as what we have. Next offseason will be when you get your new blood when Polanco and Victorino will both be shown the door. mayberry will probably be moved to center and Brown will be put in left if he is still around. Then they’ll go stopgap at 3rd or maybe someone will emerge from the minors.

       
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      The 2011 Phillies had far more parts than the 2008 Phillies. You can tell this because the 2011 Phillies won a lot more games than the 2008 Phillies. Which is also good for you, since you say you want winners.

      Welp, the Phillies have the most wins out of any team the last two years. You know, reigning back-to-back most wins in the majors and all that. So they got unlucky in the postseason. It happens. Inferior teams beat superior teams, and the shorter the data set, the more likely that is to happen.

      So, just relax, and go back to tending the sign at Toys-R-US, comforted by the realization that the Phils are still in great shape, and that dropping aging players who are still very, very good to play younger players who are not as good is generally the wrong move to make if you’re looking to contend.

       
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Wiggington is a huge upgrade over Minny Mart.
    Thome a big upgrade over Gloud
    Nix a slight upgrade over BenFran
    Paps an upgrade over Madson

    It’s not sexy, but these little things will help if Charlie uses them right.

     
    • Posts: 0 Geoff

      Unlike the poster above you, I agree. I like the upgrades to the bench. They are definitely much better than what we had on the bench last year.

      Winning all those games doesn’t mean a darn thing if you lose in the first round of the playoffs, especially in the feeble manner that they did. Those are hollow wins.

       
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        Winning all those games means you’re the best team in the league.

        Losing in the playoffs means you lost a short tournament. It happens.

        The regulars season does two things. First, it shows you which teams are better than others, using a large sample size that does a good job of minimizing the variance that is highly prevalent in any one game. The second thing it does is give you a lottery ticket, which is your opportunity to try to navigate the playoffs. Again, PLAYOFF SERIES ARE A CRAPSHOOT because of their short length and the variance involved in a game of baseball. The best teams often lose in a short series. That’s just how it works.

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        I agree with Eric 100% here . . . . somehow, for some reason, people think that the 100-win Phillies “suck” … “are too old” … and “can’t win” ….

        They were just like the Majority (7-of-8 teams) that made the playoffs, but didn’t win it all..

        and now … our top NL competition, are losing their best players, because their teams didn’t want to sign them to the Max Contracts they feel they deserve since the other 1b in the NL makes $25 M per season ….

        I didn’t think that would impact the Cards .. but if Fielder gets the most money from an AL team, you absolutely have to give props to Amaro for directly setting the market, and out-pricing 2 of the Phillies top comepetitors ability to keep their best players .. say what you want about the Howard extension, but there was a reason it was done so early, and I think that reason is becomming clear … that we could afford it, and other teams couldn’t.. it will keep us at the top of the NL, while they take giant steps backwards

         
      • Posts: 1110 Manny

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        Don, that seems like such a reach. First of all, we would’ve been better off going after Pujols or Fielder now had we not extended Howard in 2010. Second, you’re omitting the fact that the Marlins –in OUR division– offered Pujols more than the Angels did… and he could’ve easily decided to go there instead.. So we didn’t price THEM out, but we somehow did manage to price out other teams like the Cardinals who just won the WS? Third, Pujols annual average value in his contract will be awfully close to Howard’s… according to your reasoning, our Howard extension should’ve made Pujols’ worth at least 27, 28 million –even 30– per year (not 25.5, which is what he’s getting). Offering Howard 25 per year didn’t end up pushing Pujols’ price up –at all!

        If the Howard deal had any implications, is that we tied our own hands and missed the opportunity to go for a much better player, for a similar amount of money.

         
      • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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        I agree with Manny 100% on this one.

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I honestly don’t think you can read … because I never once said contracts were irrelevent, or that talent talent in the playoffs was irrelevent ..

    my point behind almost everyhting is that the Phillies do a great job of trying to maintain a roster with very talented players … and that Rollins (who is more talented than Galvis) is our best bet for SS

    in my personal opinion, you should “LOL” more in your posts .. people don’t think that 40+ year old men, such as yourself are all that hip .. but by your constant use of “LOL” you have really shaken up that notion. nice work

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    @ Chuck
    It is frustrating COMING on a forum with someone like him who TAUTS every move.

    But for the millionth time you will see who GETS PERSONAL

    You guys choose to only see the one who loves all the players and all the yahoos who love all the players. And his posts.

    This is simple. I may have a 3rd grade education etc etc.
    And post on a 2nd grade level.
    But this is from AL. Not Donny.
    Who wants to run them all out there again.
    I trust Al

    Albert Einstein Quotes Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Al would bet against the Phillies in 2012 too.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    RAJ though a fit at the end of the year over the approach the hitters took (there is no approach). Then went out and filled his bench with a bunch of the same guys. And now he’s signing everybody back. You have to change the chemistry of the team. I think our bench stinks. There is no speed and no defense on the bench.

    By nature, people always go back to what they know best. In this case, assembling a lineup that swings from the heels and hopes something good happens. I hope I’m wrong. Big whoopdee doo about Papelbon. He’s a great closer. Glad to have him. Retooling the lineup was the priority, though, and its not happening.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    *threw a fit.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    I thought we were all on the same team here? Aren’t we all Phillies fans. I hate when regulars get involved in childish back and forths. Doesn’t make for very much fun.

    You guys are still the best…

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      You are a poopy-jerkface.

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        Nyaa, nyaa! It takes one to know one!

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    AFW … I wasn’t on here for about two weeks, yet once again your constant “Donny Moron” drival gets posted ..

    I believeyour biggest problem with me is my believing that the Phillies are a really good team, and the players that have won the NL East for the past 5 seasons, ….are better than the unknowns of “younger players” like Galvis …?

    But you tell us again how you wouldn’t sign a single player over the age of 31 – despite the fact that most Free Agents are that age, if not older ..

    Don’t give us any actual suggestions for moves you would make … just bash Howard, Rollins, Amaro on a daily basis

    of the hundreds of readers on PhilliesNation – you’re about the only one that actively looks to start arguements … …. a lot of times, if people disagree on something on this website, we all debate it, usually both sides make good points .. pros/cons.. etc .. and in the end, we all act like adults .. for some reason, you can’t seem to grasp that concept??

    …..
    For the sake of talking baseball instead of bickering …

    What moves would you make right now if you were the Phillies GM ? I’m assuming Rollins is gone, so who plays SS, bats leadoff, etc …

    Happy Hollidays,
    Don M

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Awww man just when i thought we had Jimmy now this. He was wise to wait out, I hope RAJ doesnt panic now. The Cardinals can pick up Prince and J-Roll and not miss much of a step. So is the contingency plan Aramaris and Furcal?

     
    • Posts: 0 Chris

      As far as I know the Cards haven’t been reported to have interest in either player. Most of the guys following the winter meetings said that the Cards said they have no interest in Fielder if they didn’t get Pujols and the same thing for Rollins. I suppose they could drive the price up but I don’t think they are interested at all. It’s not the Cardinals style to shell out long term commitments through FA.

       
  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Alex Gonzalez on a one year deal…if Rollins ends up not returning..

     
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      I’m ok with that… I’m not a huge Sea Bass fan but he’s a decent fielder and has some upside, I guess. Again, besides Rollins, this is what you’re looking at… second tier drops off.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      Gonzalez is out. He just signed with the Brewers.

       
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    AFW…if it’s so “frustrating” for you….it’s simple……don’t come on here. Trust me, we probably won’t miss you if you constantly continue with your broken-record approach. Be respectful and informative and it’s a different story.

    Pat,… you’re “still the best” too. Thanks for this forum for all of us to come!!

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    AFW like is a cold bucket of water in the face. It either irritates the shit out of you or jars you out of a stupor. His insistence on driving the same point home, post after post, would make me nuts if only for the fact that: A) It is THE most important point; and 2) because I think its funny that it makers everybody else crazy (but I do love Donny Ballgame)

    They say that fighters grow old overnight, sometimes even in the middle of a round. I hope that’s not the case with our infield. If Rollins signs, Polanco must go. Raul had hernia surgery and was never the same. Polanco had double hernia surgery and at a more demanding position. At the very least, I would like Ruben to manage our injury risk a little.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      That’s probably easier than it sounds. Injuries can’t always be predicted, and even when players age and become more prone to them, it can be difficult to replace that player. No team is going to trade for a DL candidate, or if they’re willing to take a risk, will only give up low level prospects and will want salary relief. Acquiring through free agency is risky, too, because to get some players, you have to overpay or agree to a long and risky contract like $10 years/$250 million. Amaro can’t just dump all the injured players because he’d still have to pay them, and therefore, would lack the funds to get new guys.

      I’m sure Amaro is every bit as concerned about injuries as fans are, and to say he should “manage our risk a little” may not be true, and is probably unfair.

       
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      I’ve had two hernia repairs and I’m good as new! (Of course, those surgeries were when I was like 7 years old, and I’m not a professional third baseman with a giant square head, so my situation might not be the best predictor of Polanco’s recovery….)

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think all the regulars definitely need to grab a beer and watch a game together this year … hell, maybe even a Spring Training Saturday game

     
    • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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      Awesome idea. Count me in.

       
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  • Posts: 0 Geoff

    Brewers to sign Alex Gonzalez. Looks like they’re out on Rollins. There goes one of my preferred replacements if Rollins goes.

     
  • Posts: 1110 Manny

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    Brewers signing Gonzalez is great! Now all that needs to happen is for the Cardinals to re-sign Furcal and boom, there goes Jimmy’s market.

     
  • Posts: 556 Bruce

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    A 10 yr. contract for $254 million makes Pujols an Angel. Whoa! Well, at least the Phillies and the rest of the NL clubs won’t have the face him next year. Wait! Forgot that there is that darn schedule for interleague play. Personally, as an avid baseball fan, I would enjoy watching a truly great player like Pujols regardless of what team he plays for,

    I think Pujols’ contract makes him the second highest paid player in MLB. A-Rod signed a 10 yr. contract with the Yankees in 2008 for $275 million.

    With all the free spending by MLB owners during this worldwide economic recession, I like this comment I read…. “I think baseball needs to have a steroid-testing policy for owners,” said Andrew Zimbalist, a sports economics professor at Smith College. ;-)

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      I’m not sure it’s steroids that are to blame. It could be Ecstasy, Crack, or God knows. Maybe they’ve just been reading too many issues of the Congressional Record.

       
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        It could be that they’re just a bunch of exceptionally rich men making capital expenditures for their businesses.

         
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    So Manny….let’s say the Cards somehow land Jimmy. Do you then want an injury-prone, older Furcal with lots of experience but definitely a step or two down from Jimmy ….. or fresh-faced and inexprienced Freddy Galvis with tons of raw defensive talent and youthful energy??

     
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      Depends on the type of deal we’re talking about for Furcal. If it’s only 2 years (doubtful but increasingly likely), then Furcal. Ideally, I’d go with a one-year solution like Renteria who can bring Galvis under his wing as the season moves on.

      Then move on to the real priority: extending Hamels.

       
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      But Jimmy is and should be the priority for us at this point… just not at a ridiculous price or number of years. Given the market, anything more than 4 is INSANE.

       
  • Posts: 271 Jeff of Nova

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    kinda feel I need to back it up…… hate when peeps quote my post acting as if I don’t look at stats or I am randomly posting with no idea what I am saying… sorry Eric

    Yes Pat i am back in the saddle been crazy busy glad to be back amoungst the great folks of the Nation!!!

    So here is my issue with the Phillies going forward and those of you who know my old rants, I am a very big JRol,Utley, Howard supporter. What I have felt over the last season is that we have made a major change where we have stocked up on pitching and the best pitching money can buy and are not necessarily going after or grooming younger or bats that work in our park.

    Back in the early days of the Nation when we were WFC’s we had a very feared lineup, probably the best in the NL and or MLB. Outside of Hamels and bullpen are pitching was patchwork at best We still have good lineup and now have the best staff in MLB, but we do need more energy in the lineup. Saying having Pence for a full year helps, or Utley healthy from day one or Polanco Healthy, but that is a lot of iffs. Last offseason we were all excited about Utley having a full healthy year than he heads into Spring with huge issues.

    I certainly do not have an answer to the problem, but it is a problem. Losing Ibanez and adding Mayberry full time may work out but is not the energy I talking about, once again another if. Maybe this is all mute, I mean if Rollins signs and plays like the MVP Rollins, and Utley plays like we thought he would before the injuries and so on and so on, but keep in mind everyone keeps saying IF Rollins plays like he did in his MVP year, or close to it.

    So the question is what should they do is RAJ going to stand pat or is he going to shock us with some crazy sign Rollins sign Rameriz keep Polly and some other crazy crap…….
    Good to see everyone again

     
  • Posts: 271 Jeff of Nova

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    Interesting tweet I read this afternoon, it went something like this

    Stan Musial was quoted as saying early on in Free Agency that if he had the opportunity when he played he would have left for more money in a heart beat.

    Crazy could anyone imagine Stan the Man in another uniform?

     
  • [...] Especially IF, Polanco is healthy and returns to hitting at least .290 (not difficult to imagine), J-Roll Re-signs (not the best offensively, but very good defensively, and a great leader), Utley is healthy to start the season and stays that way, Ibanez is gone and was a ‘corpse’ and the worst in the league, Pence will be with us the entire season, and we still have Halladay, Lee, Hamels as the top 3, and a mixture of Kendrick, Blanton and Vanimal. The phillies did strengthen their bench quite a bit with Thome, Wigginton and Nix, which all have power. I would say they would do better than Ben Fran, Ross Gload and Mini Mart honestly. While I would love to see Madson back in the bullpen, and I think Papelbon is being overpaid, and would rather see him for 3-4 years rather than 5, Papelbon is still one of the best closers in the game, stands up and takes the heat when he screws up, and was doing all of this in the AL East one of the best divisions in MLB. We will have to see about Contreras (another year older and coming off injury) Lidge will probably not be back, Bastardo did AWESOME until September ish time frame, and apparently started tipping his pitches. Will he go back to early form. It seems the bullpen is strong enough, expecially considering our starting rotation. But seriously. If Raul is that bad, and he is no longer with the Phillies, and Utley and Polly are healthy and we have Pence the entire season, I find it hard to believe this team will not score a similar amount of runs. Howard is the biggest question mark. He was already rather slow, but how will his power numbers be. Read more on Things To Do In Ohio [...]

     
 
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