Phillies Wrap-up Winter Meetings in Dallas

Posted by Pat Gallen, Fri, December 09, 2011 07:19 AM | Comments: 17
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Aramis is the Phillies backup plan. PHOTO AP

What a whirlwind that was. They say everything is bigger in Texas and the Winter Meetings lived up to that standard this past week in Dallas. Albert Pujols, Jose Reyes, Gio Gonzalez, Prince Fielder, C.J. Wilson; the list goes on and on of players signing with new teams and hearing their name in countless trade rumors. In the offseason, especially when we retreat to our homes as the weather turns colder, this is what we live for; the rumor mill.

The Phillies poked their head into a few different things this past week, most notably the Aramis Ramirez rumors. It’s widely believed that Ramirez is looked at as a backup plan ONLY if the Phillies are unable to strike a deal with Jimmy Rollins. According to many on the scene in Dallas, Rollins is likely to become a Phillie when all is said and done. However, the Cardinals lost Albert Pujols, so they’ll be desperate to make a splash. Milwaukee has also come calling, although sources say they’ve dropped out. Things will remain very interesting after the dust settles from this gathering.

In case you missed any of our coverage on the happenings in from Big D this past week, here is a bullet-point look at some of the rumors that have surfaced regarding the Phillies.

Jimmy Rollins is tops on the Phillies to-do list. However, the could have some company. Now that the Cardinals have lost all-time-great Albert Pujols, they could get into the running for J-Roll. They certainly do need a shortstop. We’ll see if this happens, but I’d keep a close eye on everything happening in STL.

–Troy Renck of the Denver Post said the Rockies were interested in the services of Phillies 3B Placido Polanco. That rumor then fell through roughly 24 hours later.

Madson declined arb.

–Speaking of the bullpen, Ryan Madson declined arbitration from the Phillies, so he’ll be moving on.

–The craziest not-so-crazy rumor (because we know anything can happen with Ruben at the wheel) came overnight Tuesday-into-Wednesday as FoxSports.com reported that the Phillies were interested in acquiring former prospect Gio Gonzalez from the Oakland A’s. Corey says, this a certainly a trade we DON’T want happening, as it would likely spell the end of Cole Hamels. Please, no.

–The Miami Marlins continue to try and outdo themselves. First, they inked Jose Reyes. Then, they locked Heath Bell in as their closer.  Then, they went and signed Mark Buehrle to a huge deal. The new-look Marlins are not messing around.

Aaron Rowand was looking for a job and a major league deal. The Phillies just said no.

–Ruben Amaro Jr. has made some bold moves in his tenure as Phillies General Manager. We take a look back at what he has done to shape the bullpen since 2009 in Part two of our series.

–On Monday, the Phillies got themselves involved in the Aramis Ramirez hoopla. The 33-year old former Chicago Cub is a hot commodity at a very thin position. Corey Seidman breaks down how Ramirez has fared recently, and what he would cost the Phillies. In this same post, there was talk of the Phillies actively shopping Placido Polanco. The Rockies had some interest, but that died down. Basically, the Phillies prefer a combo of Rollins/Polanco over one of Ramirez/Galvis.

–The Phillies started the fun by coming to terms on a two-year deal with outfielder Laynce Nix. This is an average move by the Phillies. Pat Gallen summarizes Nix’s recent career, while Corey Seidman rips the move saying the Phillies could have done much better.

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  • Posts: 0 Bob Myers

    Repost this column in September and see what we think about these moves then!

    Sometimes we know in advance. Almost everyone knew the Howard deal was not great for anyone but Howard. But even that remains to be seen. What if he has a monster year for half of this year, and then maintains himself solidly for the next four? Then, not such a bad deal I’d say.

    If Rollins walks to St. Louis, and has a turkey of a year, then we say good riddance.

    But if he has a year like 2007, or gets hot during the play-offs, then we miss him.

    If our club house dynamic falls apart without him, and Victorino and Howard, his close friends lose their zest for baseball on this team, then we miss him sorely but may not realize that we lost the straw that stirs the drink….

    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      The likelihood of Rollins replicating 2007 becomes less and less as the years go by. That was five seasons ago and he’s been trending negative ever since. Is Rollins’ leadership overstated? I wonder sometimes. He’s been pulled a couple of times for not running out ground balls and being late to the ballpark. I don’t know how much a veteran clubhouse will actually miss him.

      I think it’s pretty clear that if the Phillies allow Hamels to actually file for free agency next year that he’ll be gone. Some team will step up and offer him a huge deal if he hits the open market. Hopefully, they realize that and work out a deal during the season.

      • Posts: 3086 Chuck A.

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        I have been one of Ruben’s biggest supporters on here. But if he somehow allows Cole Hamels to file for free agency….and loses him…..then I will be all over his a$$.

  • Posts: 0 George

    The entire Gio Gonzalez replacing Hamels thing was just Ken Rosenthal being an @ss.

    I don’t think Hamels will get anywhere near free agency, and that the Gonzalez talks were about replacing Blanton, whose forearm is questionable this year and whose contract will be up soon.

    None of us are in the clubhouse, so I won’t comment on Rollins’ leadership. But I agree it’s unlikely he’ll put up his 2007 numbers. But I think if he goes to St. Louis and has even a barely adequate year fans here will miss him. The pitchers will miss his defense. There’s just no one quite like him available at present.

    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      I dont think it was Rosenthal being an ass (although he can be). I think Ruben asked about him and what it would take and that was probably it. That’s how trade rumors start, by people talking. But it probably never reached anything but Ruben asking Billy Beane questions. So yeah, that a rumor. But it never seemed like anything more than that, in my estimation (from Philly, not in Dallas, obviously).

      • Posts: 3086 Chuck A.

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        Ruben was doing what any professional sports executive would and SHOULD do……exercising due diligence. I want the GM of my team asking questions and inquiring about players…no matter who those players are.

      • Posts: 0 George

        Sure, it was only rumor, but Rosenthal DID jump in with his really ill-thought out conjecture about why the Phils had asked about Gonzalez. He didn’t even look at other reasons and just jumped in and said the Phils might be looking for a cheaper option than Hamels. Thus, he was being an @ss, in my mind.

  • Posts: 0 branderson

    Note, Alex Gonzalez (SS) was signed by the Brewers which means one less Rollins candidate (even though they were reported to have a declining interest) Gotta hope the Cards don’t have the commitment to sign J-Roll.

    We need him, he just CAN’T get 5 years. 3 and a weak option is more like it

  • Posts: 0 Chris

    It’s gonna be 3 years with an option for a 4th at like 13 mill per. They decide to pay him more so he doesn’t mind about not getting the 5th year. I think the contract value could be lower but it’s best for both sides if they sign Jimmy at something that he doesn’t see as completely disrespectful.

  • Posts: 0 Chris

    When asked if he would sign with the Phillies, Omar Vizquel told Manuel Lira of the Venezuelan newspaper Lider en Deportes (passed on by ESPN’s Enrique Rojas) that “We’re working on it.” Vizquel turns 45 in April and would be playing his 24th Major League season in 2012. Vizquel played under Charlie Manuel when Manuel managed the Indians from 2000-02.


    • Posts: 0 George

      Vizquel may be an antique, but he might still be a better and cheaper utility man than Wilson Valdez. Age isn’t quite as important with bench players; experience is.

      Still, a lot of stuff coming out of foreign news sources is made-up garbage.

      • Posts: 578 Brian Sr. of CO

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        George, have you by chance looked at any stats or numbers or salary’s? Nothing indicates to me that Vizquel would be better or cheaper than Valdez. If you look at recent stats, their stats are roughly similar similar offensively, but of course that does not look at situational hitting. Valdez while hitting around .249 overall actually has quite a significantly higher AVG after the 7th innings, or with 2 outs, and RISP. He has had some clutch hits, which coincides with those last numbers I just pointed out. I don’t completely agree that age isn’t as important when you are talking about a 45 year old. We still a player to be able to fill in in the field, and I am not so sure Vizquel can still fill in as often in the field. Then look at salary. Valdez salary in 2011 was $560k, while Vizquel in 2011 made $1.75Mil, more than DOUBLE what Valdez made. What leads you to believe Vizquel would be a better or cheaper option?

  • Posts: 0 Bob Myers

    I’m still hoping we sign Jamie Moyer to a three year contract!

    (as pitching coach…..)

  • Posts: 0 Ryan

    They should just wait to see what happens with hanley ramirez. phils can trade polly and dom brown for him . the marlins will need a third baseman. and they can use dom brown for a position or bench player. Hanley is way better then jroll.

    • Posts: 578 Brian Sr. of CO

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      Hanley is better when he is happy. If he does not want to play in Philly, he will not play. He will basically stand there. He is lazy, loud mouthed and ignorrant. If Hanley does not want to play 3rd base, surely the same will happen. He will definitely NOT help the Marlins win anything, and would hurt them more than help them. On the other hand if Hanley came out an started saying stuff how Philly is such a great place to play, and he would love to be in Philly, and all that other junk (doubtful) he could have a great impact offensively. The question is. Do we really want to take that much of a risk?

  • Posts: 0 Kim

    i see almost everything wrong with this. this is what i would like to see as part of the roster but i know some of this is unchangeable at this point.
    1st-Mayberry Jr.
    3rd-Polanco (we need him whether people care about him or not)
    Outfielders: Pence, Victorino and Ibanez (i like the idea of Nix, but i don’t want him to replace Ibanez)
    Starting Pitchers-Halladay, Hamels, Lee, Worley
    Bullpen: Madson, Oswalt, Lidge, Baez, Blanton, Kendrick, Oswalt (and that new guy that we got, he was a pitcher, right?)
    Other players: Nix, Francisco, Howard, Valdez, Gload, Schneider. (NO BROWN)
    Also, i’d like to see Moyer come back in any way. pitcher, coach, helper, ANYTHING!

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