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Phillies Nation TV: Utley’s Knees, Clearwater Fun

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, March 22, 2012 06:00 PM | Comments: 19
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It’s the latest edition of Phillies Nation TV with Pat Gallen, Corey Seidman, and Natalie Egenolf. On this weeks episode, the talk is about Chase Utley’s knees and the dreaded microfracture word. Also, Pat was in Clearwater for Spring Training and got a chance to talk with Ryan Lawrence of the Delco Times and Kevin McAlpin, Braves Beat Reporter from 680 the Fan in Atlanta.

Lawrence talks about Ryan Howard and Dom Brown, while McAlpin chimes in on the Braves collapse last year.

Check it out!

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  • Posts: 93 Ted Bell

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    I agree…Chase had five HOF caliber seasons (2005-2009), but that won’t be enough to get him into Cooperstown. He’ll fall into the same category as Don Mattingly and Dale Murphy.

    I’m Ted Bell.

     
  • Posts: 1135 EricL

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    Good show. Time for my weekly critiques (all jocular & constructive, of course):

    Pat: Trade in those sunglasses for a pair of nice mirrored aviators. Also, maybe work in a little GTL. You’re looking a bit pasty in the Clearwater segments.

    Corey: The facial hair stylings looked very similar to last week. Maybe with a little 5-O’clock shadow added. No complaints.

    Natalie was fine as usual.

    The Atlanta correspondent might not want to sit with his legs so wide apart next time. Or, you know, maybe have him tilt his chair away from the camera a bit if he’s going to be giving us the Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct treatment for the whole thing.

    The conversation about Utley and the Hall of Fame was interesting, but let’s not get crazy. Alomar as potentially the all time greatest? No way. There’s a lot of old-timey guys who were better if you go by things like WAR (Jackie Robinson, Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lajoie, etc). However, if you’re talking modern era Joe Morgan wins, and it’s not particularly close. His 1975 & 76 seasons were flat-out amazing.

    That being said, Utley’s 5 year peak was better than the best 5 years of guys like Sandberg (HoF), Kent, Alomar (HoF), and Biggio (likely HoF). Utley is one of the all time best players at the position, and it’s a shame his career looks like it’s going to be cut short a second time. He didn’t start regularly playing until he was 26 (which was an egregious mistake by the Phils management) so he already lost a lot of valuable time, and the end of his career looks like it’s going to come sooner than any of us would have preferred as well. Utley probably won’t make the Hall of Fame despite being a better player than a handful of the guys who did make it. His career was just too short. The James Dean of second basemen, I suppose.

    Here’s a comparison to how he stacks up against some of the all-time great 2B: http://www.fangraphs.com/graphsw.aspx?players=860,1119,1009179,1011070,1011411,1679,549,1006030

    Also, from what the guys on the TeeVee were saying, Galvis prefers his name to be pronounced as if it rhymes with “Geese” – like, “Gal-veese.”

    As for Ruben, he gets a pass this seasons regardless of the outcome, because he’s got the injury excuse already built in. That being said, I’m pretty sure they win the east again unless a lot of additional things fall apart during the season.

     
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  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    Good show as usual. Thank goodness we traded for Hunter Pence indeed. That trade just magnified in importance. I am not worried yet, though, because we still have great pitching and our defense should be solid enough to get us some wins. What does worry me a little is that March is almost over and still no new deal for Hamels.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Oh, I meant to address this as well.

      If you don’t trade for Pence they likely sign a guy like Cuddyer or Kubel as a free agent, and then they still have Cosart, Singleton and Santana in the event they need some ammunition to go pick up a guy like Callaspo or Wright or whomever for IF help if you REALLY need to do that, but in the meantime you don’t have the 27th ranked farm system by Baseball America and you’ve still got a good RH bat in RF.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    You guys are so young, god bless ya. Being young often means that you can lack perspective. Its not your fault…you’re young. Joe Morgan was back to back MVP on one of the greatest teams of all time. He was a better 2B than Utley in his prime, which was a bit longer than Utley’s. Alomar is probably the greatest of your era. But….

    And Hornsby probably tops them all.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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      I’m pretty sure I said he wasn’t a hall of famer. He hasn’t done it long enough. But for a 5 year stretch, no one has really done what Utley did. I dont think it’s lacking perspective because of age.

       
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        In the modern era, Joe Morgan has. But he’s probably the best 2B of all time (can’t legitimately compare pre-modern era players to today, obviously), so Utley coming in second to the all-time best isn’t too shabby.

         
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      The one think Alomar has over Utley is longevity. He never the peak Utley has had.

       
  • Posts: 2991 Chuck A.

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    @Eric … “Utley probably won’t make the Hall of Fame” ?? Uhhhh….Eric…..Chase Utley WON’T make the Hall of Fame. There is no “probably” about it.

    And I agree with your Joe Morgan assessment. It was I think 2010 that there was a debate on this site on one of the threads about Chase and whether he would make the HOF. And Morgan was the one guy, along with Sandberg, that I compared him to. It was clear that even with projecting Chase’s numbers out 8 or so years from that time (allowing for natural decline – not all this degenerative knee stuff) that he was behind Morgan significantly. I concluded then that, barring some sort of crazy miracle, that Chase wouldn’t make it. Of course, I got a lot of heat for that prediction cause, you know, I was blaspheming against the great Chase Utley. How could anyone say that the Golden Boy would make the Hall of Fame?

     
    • Posts: 2991 Chuck A.

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      ^ meant to say WOULDN’T make the Hall of Fame in my last sentence.

       
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      What if Utley has some sort of procedure on his knees that allows him to play another 7 seasons? I say “probably” won’t make it because his career isn’t over yet. If he retired tomorrow, you’re right, he doesn’t make the HoF, but he’s still an active player, and as long as he is I’m not completely closing the book on any possibilities.

       
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    The fact that Utley was once in the discussion with Morgan is a testament to the player he was… Morgan was fantastic. Joe only had a 5-6 year prime and he wasn’t a power hitter but he was he was a tremendous on-base guy, a great base stealer and a standout defender. Numbers alone don’t tell the story of Morgan (like Bench, who is the greatest catcher of all-time… and it’s not even close). He played his role and really anchored that Reds team in many ways. Utley, like Morgan, anchored this Phillies team in its prosperous years. And Utley’s story won’t be told by the numbers. The twist in Utley’s unfortunate career mirrors that of many ballplayers – Tony Oliva, Pete Reiser and the guy for which the “syndrome” is named, Smoky Joe Wood. The saving grace with Utley is that he HAS shown glimpses of greatness (he hit .295/.378/.511 in June/July last season) and there are medical advancements which may help him prolong his career… Joe Morgan won his first (of two) MVP’s at age 31. Not saying it’s likely (his bid for Cooperstown has been severely derailed) but I don’t think Utley is hanging them up anytime soon and as long as he’s still in the league, he’s still capable of greatness.

     
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    By the way… more Natalie, less you guys.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I like the lineup projection – but I see Charlie flipping Mayberry-Wigginton ….. not sure why other than that Charlie seems to pencil veterans in higher

    so I think he’ll go:
    Rollins, Polly, Vic, Pence, Wiggy, Mayberry, Ruiz, Galvis, P … as the “regular” lineup

    BUT. I wonder where Nix or Thome slot if they play 1b … Thome would likely bat 5th? But Nix 6th

    vs. RHP
    Rollins, Polly, Vic, Pence, Thome, Mayberry, Ruiz, Galvis, P
    Rollins, Polly, Vic, Pence, Mayberry, Nix, Ruiz, Galvis, P

    ORRRR…. we get nuts and if Polly sits for Wiggy on certain days.
    Rollins, Vic, Pence, as the 1,2,3 ….. I feel like if Pence is the best hitter on the team – he should bat in the 1st inning every game, and if someone is going to get an extra at bat, their 4th or 5th of the game … you’d want him and Vic getting them over Polly ??

     
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