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Blanton Struggles Again in 6-3 Loss

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, May 29, 2012 10:49 PM | Comments: 56
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The New York Mets evened the series with their 6-3 victory over the Philadelphia Phillies.

BAD JOE B

-Remember good Joe Blanton? We miss him. Tonight, it was Bad Joe B, which has been a disturbing trend in May. Blanton gave up six runs on nine hits in just five innings. Over his last three starts, he’s allowed 19 earned runs in 13 2/3 innings.

-On May 14, Blanton’s ERA was 2.96.  Now, just over two weeks later, his ERA is 5.05.

-You know things are all wrong when you give up a home run to the opposing pitcher. Mets starter Jeremy Hefner went yard with two outs in the fourth inning. Scott Hairston also homered in the sixth, leading to Blanton’s exit.

-All night, Blanton’s pitchers were up in the zone. Early on in the season, Blanton was keeping the ball down and had good velocity. Now, the velocity means little without the control. And he is not in control right now. The Phillies will absolutely need Blanton to be much, much better in the absence of Roy Halladay.

OFFENSIVE INCONSISTENCY

-There hasn’t been a ton to complain about lately with the Phillies other than their inability to capitalize with runners on third base and less than two outs. Tonight against the Mets, it was more of that inconsistency that consistently makes us scratch our heads – most notably, the sixth inning. In that frame, Juan Pierre led off with a single and was brought home on a double by Hunter Pence who moved to third on an error. With no outs, Pence was glued to third base as three straight Phillies went down.

-A bit of a surprise this season has been Brian Schneider. Many, including myself, left him for dead after a dismal 2011. “Scoops” as he’s known by his teammates, hit his second home run of the season.

-Jimmy Rollins went 2-for-4 with a run scored on a wild pitch in the first inning. The first inning double he hit was just the second extra-base hit for Rollins since May 15. Incredibly, J-Roll’s OPS hasn’t been above .600 since April 18.

NOTES:

-Rain delay lasted one hour and four minutes.

-Jake Diekman struck out two and got Ike Davis to ground out in an ugly at-bat in the seventh inning. This kid – along with Raul Valdes, possibly – looks like a real keeper in the pen. He’s got 12 strikeout in just 6 1/3 innings.  Valdes, Diekman, and Joe Savery each tossed a scoreless inning tonight.

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  • Posts: 0 guest

    Well the main play was when wiggy swung at ball three and grounded out to first base. That took the pressure off instead of a 3-0 count. Blanton looked bad. Never heard of half these players a d he made them look like allstars.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      It wasn’t just Wigginton. Victorino swung at a pitch that was nearly over his head to strike out with one out and Pence on third, and he took an awful route to the ball in the OF which would have been caught if he hadn’t been running the wrong way and had to change directions, which caused his fall. That led to a couple more runs.

      Just another ugly performance and Heavy B’s got to get it together. 9 HR surrendered in his last 14 IP isn’t going to cut it.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    I didnt watch the game. Now one knows why we couldnt unload Blanton. Now with the injury to Doc we are really stuck with Joe B. Overpaid underachievers is the main problem with this year sqaud…

     
  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    We need Howard and or Utley back really bad. I read that Utley has been playing left field to reduce strain on his knees. Maybe we could get him back a bit sooner then expected if they would put him in left. Keep Galvis at second since hes been playing well and let him transition into that role and boom, left field issues are solved and if we lost Victorino we have Mayberry or someone like that to scoot in there and fill the void if we don’t sign anyone.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    Utley has been making catches on the outfield. This doesnt necessarily mean he is doing it to take the OF. Pitchers often do this in fact thats how Mo blew his knee. I think i remember reading that it was to get his timing down. It is possible but we shouldnt look too much into it yet. Having Utley and Howard back probably wouldnt have helped today. After been impressive his few starts Blanton is headed in the wrong direction. Roy will be out till after the all star break. We have Nix on the DL, a bullpen in which only Papelbon and Bastardo are effective. Contreras is still a big question mark. Rollins, Victorino and Pence all have been under performing. Thats a lot of setbacks and adversity this club is facing right now.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      And yet right now they’re still just 4 games out of 1st and 2.5 games out of the final wild card spot.

       
    • Posts: 0 Stuart

      I understand pitchers shag fly balls and stuff to warm up and everything but Utley has been doing a lot of work there and he is fast enough and smart enough and people on here have even talked about maybe in the future he move to the outfield to extend his career. So why not now? Just keep practicing him out there and maybe let him give it a shot in the minors.

      As for having Utley and Howard back they would not necessarily directly help the team but they help the lineup. Makes pitchers pitch other guys different. They might see more pitches in the strike zone because they are afraid to put people on in front of those two guys. It would also just change things up and maybe break up the tenseness and get everyone feeling good again. People don’t understand how much having them back will help. Not just because of their bats, just their presence.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    You guys are crazy to think this team has a shot. The window
    Has closed. Doc will not be back for a while. Who knows if he will
    Get back to form. Hamels will be gone after the season. Jimmy
    Contract was a waste. Wait til year two and three. We have no
    Left fielder at all. Shane has been in decline. Howard needs to prove
    He can comeback off that huge injury. Utley is all but done with
    That knee issue. Polly still can hit but for how much longer. Blanton
    Is just terrible. Kyle is doctor jeckyle mr Hyde. Ruin depleted our
    Prospects with aging players. They need to start to rebuild. We are only
    A few games out because the division is average. Play against the
    Yankees Texas teams. Ala red sox. Sorry the truth.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      The division is the worst, except for all the other ones.

       
    • Posts: 0 Roots

      Explain to me how our division is average.

       
    • Posts: 872 schmenkman

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      *his being OUT won’t help…

       
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Blanton needs to keep the ball DOWN or he is raw meat out there.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Hey Jeff, you doosh, are you T.S. Eliot with that nutty writing style? Its not stylistic or chic or cutting edge. I just looks like it been written by an 8 year old. Your post is useless blather. I am a little disappointed at myself for getting sucked into your nonsensical ramblings but you post on here a lot. Can you at least TRY to be coherent or write something maybe approaching constructive or thoughtful. At least we all try to do that. Agree…disagree…have a stupid opinion…great – you’re entitled. But cmon.

    Now to my actual contribution portion of my post. A few years back Ken Harrelson started dumping players even though the ChiSox were still technically in it. he just felt that his team was not going to make the playoffs, and even if they did, weren’t going to do anything there. He felt the best route for the team at that point was to start building for future years – not a reclamation project, just getting rid of some dead wood and bringing in some guys that would help in the future. Guys dogged him for it at the time.

    If you are RAJ, what do you do when you think your team hanging around but you feel that, ultimately, your team just doesn’t have it this year – like Harrelson did?

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      Careful Dip . . . . I once asked the same of a guy on here, telling him his posts “read like a 3rd grade book report” ……. and for 3 years since have been accused of calling him out for spelling, grammar, etc…

      People fail to realize that on a blog with back-and-forth posts, comprehension is key…. nobody cares about spelling, but it’s important for fellow-readers to be able to understand the point you are trying to make ………………some of the people that comment here don’t seem to care that others can’t understand them. Long, run-on sentences, with no paragraph breaks, and no CAPS for emphasis are hard to understand

       
      • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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        Andrew from Waldorf’s a “guy”?

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        I care about grammar, intelligibility and spelling. :(

        And because I’m such a pedant about such things, here’s a handy tip for everyone:

        When a player quits his job, he “resigns”
        When a player signs a new contract with the same team, he “re-signs”

        [NBC Rainbow thing]
        THE MORE YOU KNOW!
        [/NBC Rainbow thing]

         
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    *see your team hanging around – Sorry.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Dipsy, forget about Jeff. As for your idea – I don’t agree just yet. They are only 4 out and 2.5 out of a wild card spot. IF (and it’s a big one) Utley, Howard, Doc, et al are back and healthy for the stretch drive and the Phils are still only a few back I think they could make a strong push. Funny things happen in August, September and October. By the way, Ken Harrelson’s an idiot (“You can put in on the booooooaaaarrrrrd!” – WTF is that??!!)

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Of course not yet, Chuck. But the point may come where RAJ – and the rest of us for that matter – may be confronted with a season where just doggy paddling for four months may find you five back of the knockout spot in late July. Don’t get me wrong…I hope we are better than that…and I am going to say something people are gonna disagree with:

    I don’t want to forego taking logical steps to make us a stronger team next year just so we can hang on to the hope of making into the playoffs this year. ( FYI – I have already factored in the “anything can happen if you can get into the playoffs” element.)

    There. I said it.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Dipsy, there have been times already this season where I have said to myself, “I’m not sure this is their year.” Nothing factual or statistical in that feeling, just a feeling. Just my gut talking. Yet, my head, my sense of reasoning and my attitude of not giving up says “Wait. It’s early. Anything can happen.”

    5 games out of the knockout spot in late July? I think you gotta go for it at that point. 10 GB is a different story. Whatever it is I’m cool with it. It’ll be ok.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Why forget about me chuck? I can’t write something here?

    As for your dip shit. I’m writing on an iPhone. Sorry I am not the
    Journal you are. Nothing I wrote was not actual info. As far as the
    Division it’s a average division. All teams are average. Let’s talk
    About the rangers and Yankees. Now your taking

    Hey dip shit. Where are you from. Love to meet for a nice lunch.

     
    • Posts: 872 schmenkman

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      Jeff, I saw a long list of opinions (not “actual info”), and I for one disagreed with essentially all of them, some because I see things differently (Rollins, Halladay), and some because they just don’t agree with the actual facts (Victorino, division strength).

       
    • Posts: 0 Roots

      All the teams in our division are competitive- this does not make them average. Why do you have such a hard on for the Yankees?- they’re 26-23. Washington, mets, and miami have better records than that. And the Rangers? Now you’re just cherry picking. Just because a division has one dominant team doesn’t deem it a “Good” division”.

      “Hey dip shit. Where are you from. Love to meet for a nice lunch.”

      Now that’s just stupid.

       
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Yeah, Jeff, the Yankees are real dominating so far. 26-23, in third place. Nice.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Jeff, I love lunches. I’m from Mayfair. Would you like to meet me down here on, say a weekday? If we do it on a Friday I can take longer…maybe even turn it into a happy hour. Just leave a message in my box.

    I agree that the division may come down to a tussle with a bunch of teams three or so teams with 90 wins battling for the division because or division is not particularly strong. I guess, in the end, as long as you are in it you have an obligation to your fans to try and win the thing. The problem may be defining “in it”.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      Can I come, too? Maybe a few others would be interested. Don M? schmenkman?

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I too, am from Mayfair …. SMS, near St. John’s – what about you Dipsy ??

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I’m right on Aldine.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    you’re the tire slasher… ?

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    The slashee. You?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Look at the bright side. Galvis is demonstrating he belongs in the Majors. Diekman looks real impressive and is no worse than the LOOGY the Phil’s need. Now if Dom B can get his act together that’s 3 very young good pieces. No need for wholesale changes at this point. Phil’s will have $$$ freed up to do some things. They need to just suck it up and sign Hamels. 6/$138. Higher than it could’ve been.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      I don’t think there is any way 6/138 gets it done. I think it has to be at least $25M per. If they can get away with 6 years and not 7 it would almost be a miracle.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I agree with Chuck. My number is 7/175. As much as I love Galvis, and I do, that dude is gonna show you that he can’t hit. I know what he has done so far. But I look at him up there and he’s just overmatched. My over/under on his season’s end batting average is .223 1/2. That said, I think they should keep him here, keep his spectacular glove in the field and work on his hitting. But there’s only room for one cripple in a good team’s lineup. Galvis would be ours.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      Galvis has over performed at the plate thus far since he’s maintained his minor league line so far. A very good May, but he has struggled recently. Kid can flat out field. He would probably be better served with another year in the minors unless you can get him spot starts at 2b, SS and late innings.

      Two big (little numbers): .188 road average and a .217 average against righties. Some things to work on, but he is only 22.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    A year or two ago i would read people’s recommendations on blogs. A lot of them had the same or similar focal point. Start to get rid of some of the elder statesmen the Utley’s, Rollins, and even Werth. The logic for most part been to get rid of high payroll guys and bring in some lower salaried, younger players. I thought back then are these guys insane. Looking back i see now this had some logic. Even though there was no way people could predict Utley knees situation for instance. Fast forward to today’s team. If you was to rebuild how would you do it. Basically other than the 2 remaining Ace’s where would you start. Utley, Rollins and Howard are here to stay. With no upcoming prospects and the catcher market thing Chooch is a necessity for time been. Basically i asking what tradeable commodities do the Phils have?

     
  • Posts: 0 Typical Fan

    Galvis is awesome. Last year I liked Stutes and Bastardo, but this year I like Diekman. Chooooooch is my favorite player, only because they traded Valdez- our best pitcher. Rollins sucks, I say that because I don’t care about defense from my shortstop. And if you point out that he and Galvis are the same hitter (except for RBI), I’ll tell you you’re a moron. Ruben Amaro Jr ruined this team by not trading Utley in 2009- eventhough he was our best player at the time, and we had no chance to win without him. We should’ve started rebuilding.

     
  • Posts: 0 Typical Fan

    yo! And that dude Jeff is a hater, he’s def a cockroach Mets fan troll. I’m gonna call WIP and talk Eagles 3rd string LBs and how much I hate the wide-9 defense now. And then practice my E-A-G-L-E-S chant for later this summer when i’m tailgating Phillies games, but don’t have a ticket or any intention of going into the game.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      ^^ This is funny as shit.

       
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Amaro has really hurt himself with Hamels. Had he signed him during the offseason, he could have gotten him for much less. Now he’s 8-1 and off to the best start of his career. I wonder if he will squeeze as much as he can out of Ruben after the Halladay and Worley injuries? On a positive note, if the rumor that the Phillies offered Oswalt a contract are true, that may mean that they are not afraid of going over the luxury tax for the right deal.

     
  • Posts: 5222 Lefty

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    If they can spend on Oswalt , then they are willing to go over. IMO- Offer Cole 3 for 90. (Maybe with an option for a 4th) That’s the magic number. Let him know that in three years if he keeps himself healthy and pitching well, he’ll get another 3 years at whatever the highest salary is at that time. Someone has to stop the madness of these long term contracts. They are pitchers, and let me credit Don M in this thread for saying in an earlier one, that pitchers are different than position players, and can’t be signed for as long a term due to the repetitive stress they put on their bodies. Cole gets to be the highest paid pitcher per year in the game, not have to uproot his family, and stay home where the fans love him. It is NOT ridiculous to expect a pitcher to take some responsibility for his health.

    It may not work, but the groundswell has to start somewhere. Is he replaceable if he walks? Sure he is. We won a title with a young Cole, Myers, Eaton, Blanton and Kendrick, not a very imposing set of SP’s. The Giants model is a rare one, that used a pitching friendly ballpark to it’s benefit. The Cardinals, Phils and Yankees, had decent pitching, but better hitting. Spend a portion of the money on 2 decent hitters. But, who knows, maybe Cole would take it.

     
    • Posts: 5222 Lefty

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      Forgot Moyer. DOH!

       
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      While I’m a huge fan of the giant money-short length contract, I do wonder if the Phillies are going to be the team that’s able to pull it off. I kind of think that if any team is going to go that way it’s going to have to be a team with a bit more payroll flexibility than the Phils. But I can hope, I guess.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    When people try to blame this on Amaro not signing him yet …. it bothers the hell out of me. . .

    Hamels and his agent have (and have had) an idea of what they wanted… likely 6-7 years the whole time … so the Phillies stance of 3 years, and exception to 5 years (for Lee) … doesn’t fit with what Hamels is reportedly seeking.

    It takes two sides to make a deal, and I feel like Hamels has every right to try to land the biggest contract possible (I’d like to get paid as much as possible too) .. and the Phillies have every right to not want to commit 7-years to a Pitcher ….because historically, that is a terrible deal in baseball

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    And again, I understand people saying to offer him MEGA $$$ for 3 years . . . . but if it still falls way short of what he could guarantee with a longer deal, lets be realistic. he isn’t going to sign for 3/ $90 … when we can likely sign for 6/ $150 …

    He’s not going to pass on a chance of a huge deal NOW, for the prospects of signing that huge deal somehwere later in his career. . .

    I love the idea, and would be great if it could work, I just don’t think its realistic at all

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Why not though? I bet a good number of players would rather make a lot more money and see free agency more frequently than be locked into a long term deal even though the market for players might drastically increase during their contracts.

      Look how much money guys like Longoria and Braun have left on the table by signing their long term deals. Upwards of $100 million for Braun (who will have never seen free agency by the time he turns 38). Look at a guy like Kemp who signed an 8 year, 160 million dollar deal right before the Pujols, Votto and Fielder deals, all of which blew over $200 million. Now Kemp is locked into $20 million a season until he’s 35. He easily left $40-60 million dollars on the table by signing the extension in November of 2011 instead of April of this year. The market drastically changed in 4 months. And now he’s locked into a deal at something like $5 million less per year than his comparable peers.

      So there’s a good case as to why players would prefer to keep at least their first free agency contract short and re-enter the market at age 30-31, when they’re still at Pujols’ age, able to then sign another long, gargantuan contract.

       
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Don, I hear you. But I really wonder if the Phillies were to have offered Cole 5 years at something around $100M a year ago if he would have signed??? If he would have and a deal wasn’t offered then THAT’S when I would blame Amaro. I guess we’ll never really know…

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    We’ll never really know … after the 2009 he had, his 2010 season alone wouldn’t have had anyone feeling confident to sign him for 5-years-$100 M

    after 2011, with two consecutive strong seasons, proving 2009 was the exception ……… at that point they said that a 5-year- $85/90 M deal wasn’t going to get it done (Weaver, Verlander deals etc) . . .

    we’ll never really now, but if negotiations don’t work out, you can’t JUST blame Hamels, and you can’t JUST blame Amaro . . . . it needs to work for both sides, I just hope it will

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Cole’s 2009 was almost identical to his 2008 season. In 2009 Cole had a better BB/9, K/9, and a very slightly higher HR/9. His rate stats were identical to those in the year he won the WS MVP and finished 2009 with the exact same FIP he had in 2008. The only thing that changed was that he got a little bit unlucky with BABIP, as it bounced from .259 in 2008 to .317 in 2009. That was just a fluke, since his batted ball profile stayed essentially the same (it actually improved ever so slightly, with him giving up fewer line drives and more ground balls).

      That being said, if the Phillies had a progressive front office and realized that he was the same pitcher, if not slightly improved, than he was in 2008 they could have used that “bad year” to gain some leverage into signing him long-term. Of course, it seems that the Phils front office generally has little use for advanced metrics that would have helped them out there.

       
      • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

        RAJ is pretty much the anti Billy Beane…

         
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Maybe advanced metrics might show some similiarities between ’08 and ’09 but it’s pretty well documented that his ’09 wasn’t what he, the team and the fans wanted or expected from a LCS and WS MVP. He admitted that he hit the off-season banquet circuit pretty hard after winning the Series and he reported to camp in not his best shape. And it’s no secret that he flopped in the postseason in 2009.

    So Don makes a good point that a bounceback in 2010 might not be enough alone for the Phillies to sign him to a 5 year deal. But as his 2011 unfolds and he’s obviously really putting it together THAT’S when it might have made sense for a deal to have been struck. Was Ruben dragging his feet? Was Cole playing the waiting game? We’ll never know.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    The case for not signing the short term/big money deals is as follows: 1) The risk of injury; and 2) the risk of underperformance. Had Barry Zito, citing an example, opted for the 3 year/big money contract, he would not have gotten a lucrative second contract. You sign the 7 or 8 year deal and you’re totally set. You get injured on Day 1 and you’re paid. Although the C.C. clause that he had in his contract may be the way for a player to have the best of both worlds.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I was looking at Hamels ERA, much higher hits per 9…. Not reall the behind the scenes numbers. To me, earned runs are legit and luck is part of the game … But instead of saying he had a “bad” year in 2009, maybe he really was just a little unlucky that year compared to his norm

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Yeah, but hits per 9 is generally a luck issue, so long as he wasn’t giving up a lot more line drives (which he wasn’t). If he’s striking out guys at the same rate, walking guys at the same rate, giving up HR at the same rate, and keeping his batted ball profile the same, then his season was almost identical to the previous one, at least as far as the things he can control as a pitcher.

      It just so happens that the balls that were hit found more holes in 2009. More bleeders, seeing-eye-singles and the like. And whatever happened in the post-season is just too small of a sample size to make any conclusions. You wouldn’t judge the value of a pitcher based on only 19 innings, which is what he pitched in the 2009 postseason.

      Whatever explanations were given for his “bad” season were classic instances of the “affirming the consequent” logical fallacy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent ). Basically, we know instinctively that pitchers who have bad years tend to have higher ERAs and higher WHIPs. We also know that Cole Hamels had a higher ERA and a higher WHIP in 2009 than he did in 2008. Thus, it is assumed that Cole had a bad year in 2009, but that’s not necessarily so, because while all bad seasons have higher ERAs/WIPs, not all seasons in which players have evevated ERA/WIP are caused by bad seasons. To use a simpler analogy, it’s the old “all poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles” falsehood. All bad seasons look worse, but not all seasons that look worse are bad.

      All of Cole’s stats that year indicated that he was pitching equally as well as he had the year prior. The only thing that differed was that he gave up more hits despite the same batted ball profile (%grounders, %fly balls, %line drives). A pitcher cannot control where a ball goes once it’s hit, so the extra hits he gave up were due to just plain bad luck (his BABIP in 2008 was a career low (at the time), so if you juxtapose his “lucky” season in ’08 with his unlucky season in ’09 it looks like he pitched much worse, when that’s not at all the case.

       
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        Ehhhh…. the problem here is that I do think pitchers have some control over hits allowed . . . ,and their job is to prevent the other team from scoring runs . . . so when his ERA is high, whatever the reasons behind it, his ERA is still high . . .

        I think that ERA gets sh!t-on by a lot of stats, but to me . . . they are knitpicking . . . if you hit are a pitcher, keep the ball low, and hit your spots, the batter has a harder time getting hits …. the more batters that struggle against you, the less runs will score, etc. .

        so I think its fair to say that Hamels 2009 was not a very good year, based on his ERA ………… he was “unlucky” in the same way that Ryan Howard is “unlucky” when he hits one into the shift … both have some control over the situation, not total control, but some – but both should be held equally accountable for the outcomes ..

         
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Cliff was 5/$120 so Hamels 6/$144 easily gets it done iMO. I think 6/$138 is a nice starting point. He turns down 6/$144 you have to let him walk and take the 2 picks. He’s only slightly better than Cain so I wouldn’t pay him like Walter Johnson.

     
 
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