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Hamels Gets 8th Win, Wigginton Blasts Mets

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, May 28, 2012 04:35 PM | Comments: 89
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Cole Hamels struck out 6 in 8 innings for his 8th win of the year in the Phillies 8-4 win over the Mets.

Ty Wigginton hit a home run and knocked in 6 runs. He walked twice and scored twice. John Mayberry Jr. also homered.

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  • Posts: 0 brooks

    I love that Wigs had a career day today but you know, it really doesn’t matter – just seeing the Muts go down to the Phils is better than anything – Go Phils!

     
  • Posts: 0 PUD PUDDLEMEIER

    Yeah Cole !!!! Hope you come to LA and pitch for the Dodgers next year. You will be on a team on the rise with young stars instead of an old, worn-out team like the Fills. Plus you will be at home on the West Coast. Tell Ruben Amaro that he flat-out missed his window of opportunity. The Dodgers will make you a great offer and you will be in a rotation with Clayton Kershaw. It will be a winning environment with positive fans, instead of a bunch of miserable hoagie and hate eaters.

    Join the Beautiful people instead of staying with the Trolls of Sports in one of the worst cities in America. I know because I grew up in South Jersey. JUNKY JERSEY.

     
    • Posts: 20 barry m

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      Yeah; right Cole. Listen to the man from L.A., where they’ll love what you do so much they’ll arrive in the 3rd inning and leave in the 7th. La-di-da, la la land.

       
      • Posts: 0 19LA

        and beat up Giants fans as well. Yea, great people out there in Los Angeles…..

         
    • Posts: 0 George

      One thing you can count on with trolls. They always complain about other trolls.

       
    • Posts: 155 therookie300

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      you also have to remember to watch out in the parking lot of Dodger Stadium. Dodger fans apparently like to stab other teams fans. I don’t hear of that happening here in Philly.

       
    • Posts: 547 Brian Sr. of CO

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      ” one of the worst cities in America.” The last time I saw, the Dodgers fans were ranked the worst fans in America. Pot calling kettle!

       
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    So Pat….keeping the post short and sweet almost guarantees that there will be no grammatical errors and, thus, no harsh criticism from some of the commentors. I’m sure this wasn’t done on purpose as you have a busy schedule and just wanted to get SOMETHING posted…but I couldn’t resist a little sarcasm. Great job as always and I’m diggin’ your contributions on the Fanatic!

     
    • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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      Thanks Chuck! I wrote this poolside on my phone. Two sentences is all you need.

       
      • Posts: 0 brooks

        Hamels won # 8 and its not even the AS break – the only analysis needed.

         
    • Posts: 5358 Lefty

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      Ha! Good catch Chuck, that’s funny. Happy Memorial Day to both of you.

       
    • Posts: 3506 Tracey

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      Hee hee. I was thinking the same thing.

       
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    The grammar Police are nauseating. We’re reading a blog not a novel. I won’t name names, but one poster’s suppossed correction had terrible sentence structure. Too funny.

    Go Phil’s and Happy Memorial Day.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Trying to read a post that doesn’t make any sense is also nauseating. I’m not one to criticize small errors, but the post in question was so badly written that something had to be said. So what if it’s only a blog. I want to be able to read it without having to decipher it first.

       
  • Posts: 77 branderson925

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    Nice write-up!

     
  • Posts: 23 donnavox20

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    These two sentences are better than the headline I saw today that said “Chase Utley is making progess on his knees” For God’s sake can he not even walk upright now?

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      I’m in a mean and nasty mood tonight, so I just have to point out that Pat’s post is actually four sentences in length.

      You can throw up now, Psujoe!

       
  • Posts: 442 Ian Riccaboni

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    Hopefully, Wigginton continues to see the ball as a beach ball throughout the next few weeks. Would be a big help.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    The Dodgers reportedly made a contract offer to Oswalt…

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Someone in another thread said that Oswalt would get a phone call. I think he had a different team in mind, though.

       
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      It was also reportedly too low for him.

      Jon Heyman has been blathering about Oswalt getting a contract this week or so, but I’ve heard in the past that Oswalt’s representation does a lot of rumor-starting, so cast a skeptical eye on most of what is said about him in the media. Believe things when you see them.

      Honestly, I think the Phillies make a run at him if Halladay is out for any kind of extended period of time.

       
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    @Jeff Dowder: Apparently, the Dodgers did contact Oswalt, but said his asking price was too high, so they are out of the running.

     
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    I don’t want to jump to conclusions but Doc’s shoulder thing has me pretty concerned. If there was ever a time to get something done with Hamels and his agent I would think it’s NOW. Of course, his price tag just went up AGAIN…with the win yesterday (8 leading MLB) and Doc’s situation making things even more complicated.

    As for Oswalt, it would be nice to maybe land him again but I’m still thinking he goes to STL or TEX. We’ll see.

     
  • Posts: 0 CLAWsome

    Great to see that a former BlueClaw is the first 8 game winner. No one deserves it more than Cole Hamels for how hard he works. Everyone should come check out some of the talent down here in Lakewood, never know who might surprise you.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    Trade Utley to the AL so he can be a DH. Trade Rollins for whoever is foolish enough to take him. Time to retool.

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      1.5 games out of a the last playoff spot with 112 games to go. FIRESALE TIME!

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        hahahahahahahahahahahha! now that’s a good one EricL !

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    No team in baseball is going to trade anything for Utley, he’d missed the start of the past two seasons with a health issue that can’t be corrected by surgery…. And he has $15 m on his contract last year….

    Rollins isnt hitting but still plays great defense at SS, he should be batting 7th, it’s not his fault his name keeps getting penciled in at #1

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      I guess it depends on the return, but under most circumstances that I can imagine I don’t want the Phillies trading Utley, especially since they are by no means out of the playoff race. He was still a very valuable player even in the limited playing time he had last year and can probably provide similar value when he returns this season.

       
    • Posts: 0 delearyous

      yes it is! his ego has always been a slight issue. he wouldnt bat 5th when they asked him to. there is no way he’d willingly bat anywhere but 1 or 3

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    A lot of the attention has turned to Rollins and rightfully so. As one of the faces of the franchise and on the field leaders, he simply hasnt provided much offense. While no one is expecting his MVP caliber year, we are all disappointed. Jimmy can do better than this. I think this is why his name is coming up a lot. I myself was expecting at least a .260 BA, and around 15 HR for the year. On Utley no one is going to take him off our hands with his contract and health issues. Forget about that he is ours until his contract runs up. We can only hope the best for him and his knees.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    A couple of years ago Rollins went through a very long stretch when he put up even more dismal numbers than he has this year. At one point his batting average was down around .200, but when the season ended, his totals were pretty much where they always have been. He’ll get better, I’m sure.

    People complain, too, about his being the leadoff guy. The funny part is that no one seems to have a viable alternative. Victorino has failed in the spot, Pierre is a platoon player and can’t be used every game, and the others guys with decent OBPs are way too slow. It’s not as though Manuel hasn’t tried others; it’s that he really doesn’t have much choice because no one else has done any better, and Rollins hasn’t done any better when he has batted lower in the order.

    Rollins is definitely one of the most frustrating players on the Phils right now. But when he starts squaring the ball up like he is capable of doing, he’ll be just as valuable as ever.

     
  • Posts: 1076 betasigmadeltashag

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    Sometimes I just do not get some of you one here, the Phillies have won 4 out of 5 against teams with good records, Cole is rolling, they took walks and scored runs in all but one of those games. Please get passed batting average and watch the at bats by some of the guys not “hitting well” JRoll has had a few hard hit balls that are just not finding open spaces. JRoll will bat led off and go on a streak where his hard hits will fall.
    It will be nice to win tongiht and get a series win.

     
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      All said and true Beta but, the win last night was on Wiggington – how often will that happen?
      When Choochie levels out, what will happen then? No getting around it, if the Phils are going to continue rising in the ranks, they need Rollins’ bat and pronto.

       
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    I had a dream last night that Doc needed rotator surgery and would miss the remainder of the year. Woke up screaming NOOOOOO !!!! I hope I was just responding to some bad chicken salad.

     
    • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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      Must be part of the same dream when you said that J-Roll’s “ego” was in the way and a huge problem…

       
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      More like a nightmare Bart

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    #1 – I believe Halladay is hurt and I hope its ONLY tendonitis.
    #2 – Eric, if you could trade Utlet this second and get anything in return, with the other team assuming his whole contract, you do it in a second. The chances of Utley ever helping your team again is far outweighed by the benefit of getting rid of his money.
    #3 – Jimmy is not a viable leadoff guy. But its not his fault. Its Charlie’s fault for putting him up there and its RAJ’s fault for not getting a real leadoff guy. This, and Howard’s hitting approach, are the two biggest reasons for this offenses dysfunction.

    IMHO. Respectfully submitted. Douglas Neidermyer.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      #2 is completely and categorically 100% wrong. Even in his limited playing time last season Utley put up 3.9 fWAR. On the open market that’s worth about $20 million dollars. So even though he missed nearly 50 games he STILL provided value above and beyond the cost of his contract. There’s no reason he can’t come close to providing equal value this year and return to a surplus again next year.

      In short, Utley’s contract is still a bargain.

       
      • Posts: 5358 Lefty

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        I agree that through WAR dollars, Utley has already earned his money, and more.

        That said, I’d trade him if I could. I just don’t know why any one would take a chance until after he becomes free and they could negotiate a deal. I could see an AL club doing that.

         
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    I would TOTALLY trade Chase right now if the other team assumed his contract. But we all know that ZERO teams out there are stupid enough to do that.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    What is Howard’s hitting approach?

    He’s a slugger, never was, and never will be the most disciplined hitter out there.. his job is to hit the ball hard, over the fence, or deep enough to drive in runs ……..and he does that well.

    Every team in baseball would take Ryan Howard on their team. . . well maybe except the team from Waldorf’

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Don – Nobody would take Ryan Howard on their team. He makes too much money. His first three years in the league he: hit homers, hit lefties, had a good average and a good OBP. Thats when he concentrated on being a “great hitter”. Then, he got the idea that had to pull absolutely everything while swinging at absolutely everything. Lets not go here. He’s regressed. He IS a power hitter, though. Another 2 years of this decline and he’s Rob Deer or Dave Kingman.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      Money aside …… you said his approach… and with his approach, power, and production – every team in baseball would welcome his bat in their lineup

       
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        Disagree. Cincinnati, NYY, Boston, Anaheim, Detroit all have much better first basemen (Detroit has two who are better!). There are also a bunch of teams who would probably decline trading Howard for their 1b straight up because the guys they have are close to as good but much younger and less injury prone: Chicago Cubs, San Diego, NYM, Atlanta, Texas, Arizona, Kansas City, Washington, etc.

        Howard just isn’t that good and is not all that appealing if you’re looking to build a team.

         
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    Rob Deer basically played until age 32. He then missed a few seasons and attempted to come back at 35 and failed. The most HR he ever hit in a season was 33 and he only hit more than 30 twice. So he’s a poor comparison.

    Dave Kingman actually was fairly productive in the HR and RBI categories from ages 33-37. Age 33 he hit 37 HR and had 99 RBI. Then it was 13/29 (I’m assuming he was injured), 35/118, 30/91, and 35/94 at age 37. His average sucked but, like Howard, he was on the team to hit homeruns and drive in runs.

    I would imagine that with better conditioning and training regimens today and his body of work already that, after this year as he is fully healed from the injury, Ryan Howard will be a productive part of the Phillies MLB roster.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I’m not concerned about Halladay ……..but I’m very concerned about TMac not being able to call Hallday, “Doc” 1,000,000 times per game

    on the Phillies website, there is a video of Halladay getting the last out of the 2nd …and then Savery coming on in the 3rd … it’s a :45-second video, and he calls him “Doc” three times

     
    • Posts: 0 Glen

      Everyone complains about Wheels but TMac is the one I can’t stand listening to. Just shut up and let me watch the game!

       
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        They’re both bad, but at least Wheels has been this bad for so long that we’re used to his suckitude, whereas TMuck is newer and thus more annoying even though they’re probably equally as dumb.

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        Yea I am actually a fan of Wheels …. his memory and retelling of Phillies history, as it relates to current game situations/plays, etc . adds to the broadcast in my opinion …. I understand that people get annoyed with him saying the same phrases over and over “He likes the ball middle-in” , etc . . . . . but that’s nowhere near as bad as many of the announcers out there who basically try to create SportsCenter-like catch phrases (the Yankees guys are TERRIBLE)..

        I really think that the majority of fans that don’t like Wheeler- don’t like him because of whatever feud him and Harry Kalas had …back in the 1980s ……….. To me, Wheeler is CLEARLY the most knowledgable of the Phillies announcers, despite not having played the game … Sarge is clearly the worst and Tmac gets more annoying by the game, especially because I feel like he dumbs-down the broadcast when Sarge is in the booth – and asks him the dumbest possible questions to give Sarge something to talk about …

        ….

         
      • Posts: 0 EricL

        “Look at that dirtball® take that belly-whomper™ into second. He just plays the game the right way™, having fun out there. Unlike that Reyes, always showboating.”

        Ugh. So bad. I’d rather listen to silence with the field-mics turned up.

         
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I’m concerned about T-Mac’s sports bra not working. Time to put him on the “bro.”

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      How about just fire his worthless fatbody and let the greater Delaware Valley enjoy a ballgame without his awful, awful announcing.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Jesus, relax. Deer and Kingman are the first guys that came to mind mind that I remember doing nothing but homering or striking out. @Eric – I thin that you assume in your premise that Utley is A) going to play again; and B) play as well as last year (I don’t agree with either. I do not think that Utley ever make a meaningful contribution to the Phillies again. He….has….no…cartilage. Now, advancing your position further, if you believe that his contract is a bargain, wouldn’t another team jump at the chance to trade for him if and once he comes back? But you know that would never happen. In his present set of circumstances, Utley is not worth much. Its now almost June and he hasn’t even taken serious fielding. RE: Howard, I actually think that he will come back next year and play well. I think he will be more selective and try to get back to the player he used to be. Stoill overpaid, but at least somewhat productive. I am rooting for Howard to recover big time.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      Eric’s “assumptions” are more likely to happen than yours. The likelihood that Utley a) plays again this year, is reasonably high based on the all the reports, previous injuries, and the rehabilitation of this type of injury. And the likelihood that he b) plays as well as last year is pretty high, too.. there’s no basis to reasonably assume that solely because of this particular injury he will have worse numbers than last year, when had to go through the same process. If anything, this year they are rushing him less than they did in 2011… which hopefully translates into better numbers for him.

      “My knees the last week or so have felt better than they have in a while, which is kind of what we’ve been working toward,” Utley said. “I’m progressing well. Every day seems like it’s getting a little bit better.” Utley has been taking around 25-to-30 ground balls each day, and has been shagging balls in left field where the grass is easier on his knees. The outfield work has led to some speculation that a move to left field could be in Utley’s future. For now, the plan is for Utley to return as a second baseman.

       
      • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

        You can’t really assume Utley is going to play as well as last year because he’s another year older and he’s already way behind last year’s rehabilitation. He was playing for the Phillies by May 23 last season. He’s not even close to being ready this year. I guess it’s convenient to say that the team rushed him last year, but there’s no concrete proof of that. The severity of this injury has always been predicated on whether or not Chase thought he could take the field.

        Let’s take any and all Utley quotes with a grain of salt. He’s not the most forthcoming guy. In spring training he said that the pain he had this year was not as bad as last year’s pain. Yet here we are with a longer rehab for a “lesser” injury. It would not be reasonable to expect better numbers for a healthy player at his age, so it’s very unlikely for a player with chronic knee issues to produce at a higher rate.

         
      • Posts: 1048 EricL

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        In the same way that you say we can’t assume he’s going to play as well as last year, I can say that you can’t assume he’ll be as bad as he was last year, which was the first time he really had to deal with this issue. There’s just as much of a chance that his power was sapped by the injury and his time this year has been used to strengthen his lower body to an extent that he couldn’t and didn’t know how to last year because all of the rehab and stretching was new to him and it takes a while to figure out what works and what doesn’t. Last year Utley posted the lowest slash line of his career, and he’s still only 33, which isn’t over the hill by any means. Further, this year they have Galvis who should be able to competently spell Utley to keep him stronger and healthier down the stretch.

        I think the safe assumption is something similar to last year’s production, and cases can be made for him coming back in better and worse shape. But there’s little evidence to go by, whereas we do have a season of injured-knee-post-rehab performance to use as a guide for our projections.

         
  • Posts: 15 RichieAllen

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    Hey Eric..
    You want a real example of SUCKAPALOOZA..Try watching the Atlanta Braves broadcast.
    Our guys are Hall of Famers in comparison.
    No sleeping pills needed .

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      Just because I hate the Phils television crew doesn’t mean that I think most others are a lot better. The vast majority of announcers are terrible.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      ANY announcing team would look like hall-of-famers next to the Braves’ broadcasters.

       
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    It really wouldn’t shock me at all if Utley is done.

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      It certainly would shock me.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    You’re listening to Utley? As much as I love his play thats how little think of his self assessments of his own injuries. At this point, I don’t believe a word he says about his own knees. Forget about the irritation under the kneecap business…he has no cartilage in this knees. Thats the problem.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      You keep saying he has no cartilage in his knees. That’s just completely false.

      If he had NO cartilage in his knees he wouldn’t be able to walk, much less take batting practice and field ground balls.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    What happened to Sarge the other day?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    I don’t know ….what happened to Sarge? He was on the radio yesterday filling in for LA if that’s what you’re referring to.

    I don’t believe Utley, either. I know it’s almost sacreligious in this town to talk badly about him but, right now, I don’t believe anything he says or any reports about him. He wasn’t forthcoming to the Phillies in the off-season and that pisses me off. Thank God Freddy Galvis has done the job he has, that’s all I have to say.

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      Maybe it was windy at Citi field so his hat blew off and sent LA to go chase it down.

      As for Utley, you have to believe the visible things. He’s now fielding ground balls. We’ve seen this with our own eyes (at least if you’ve watched the clips they have on CSN or whatever), and you have to believe that he’s taking BP because, again, we’ve seen it. He was doing little of either earlier in the season. So, whether you guys believe that he’s feeling better in his knees or not, you have to acknowledge that he’s doing more physical activity than he has at any point this year, and that’s progress, and that there’s very likely a reason why he’s able to do things now that he wasn’t able to do a few months ago.

      Your assertion that he wasn’t forthcoming in the offseason is off base. First,we cannot know what he did or did not tell the organization. Second, it’s entirely possible that his left knee really didn’t start to hurt until he ramped up baseball activities this spring. You’re mad at him for something he very well may not have done, and for which you have no evidence–that seems unfair.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Ah…..Wheels and TMac kept were busting on him about missing a team bus so I thought he actually missed the game. Alright Eric…..he has very little cartilage in his knees. Obviously, I need to be hyper precise in my assertions or people just don’t understand. To repeat…he has very little cartilage in his knees. So little cartilage, in fact, that its too the the point where his knees won’t work enough for him to be able to play baseball. How’s that? I don’t believe he’s progressing for sh!t.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      If you don’t believe he’s progressing, what is your explanation for Chase taking infield practice now when he didn’t take the field at all during spring training and through April?

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    And Eric, since “we cannot know” these things, that also means that “you cannot know”. Unless you do. Which would be great because then you could explain it all to us. So then, as logic follows, if we can agree what Utley did or didn’t say regarding his injury in the offseason is not know by us, then a person’s assertion about what he said is not necessarily “off base”, but merely not supported by a set of facts that would make Chuck’s (and mine), “assertions” provable. In short, we are left with merely “circumstantial” evidence, if you will, regarding how we think things went down. And in this case, this all points to Utley bullsh!tting the Phils. Do we know with exact certainty? Nope. But what I have learned about all this all the way through has me believing the same thing Chucky does. Chucky – respected poster.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 EricL

      What evidence do you have that leads you to believe that Utley lied to the Phillies?

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      Circumstantial evidence doesn’t cut it in my book, nor in the laws of this country. On that kind of evidence, you shoudn’t be belittling someone or calling them a liar–which is what claiming he “bullsh!tted” is. You and Chuck are definitely being unfair if you do.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    We can rebuild him we have the technology…..

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    Halladay is out 6-8 weeks with a lat strain per @ToddZolecki

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Harrisburg

    Well, looks like Doc could be gone until mid-to-late July. Who’s next? Ugh.

     
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    If Chase Utley was forthcoming to the Phillies about his condition there is NO WAY they would have dealt Wilson Valdez. Amaro even admitted that in hindsight it was probably not a good thing to have done. In fact, had they known that he would have been out for an extended period then they may even have gone out and signed someone else to “fill in” ….sort of like thet same approch they took with Howard’s injury by signing Nix and Wiggy.
    Maybe Chase “thought” he could play and that he would be allright and that’s why he didn’t say anything to them but I don’t understand how he could have thought that if he was this bad to the point where it’s almost June and he hasn’t seen any game action at any level. I’m just not buying it.

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      Amaro also admitted that in hindsight it was a mistake to trade away Cliff Lee. Everyone and their brother agrees that the Ryan Howard contract extension was an abomination. Amaro makes mistakes, and you can’t blame all of them on the players.

      Like I said before, it’s entirely possible that Chase felt fine until he ramped up baseball activites in spring training. There’s a big difference between working in the gym and doing rehab exercises versus actually stressing your body in game-like situations.

      It is, in my opinion, unfair to criticize a guy for getting injured, and irresponsible to speculate that he must have known he wasn’t healthy and therefore did a disservice by not telling his team. That’s a bridge too far for me.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I didn’t say “lie” on purpose.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      No, you said “Bullsh!tting” which is synonymous with “lying.”

       
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    I never said “lie” either. I just don’t think he was fully forthcoming to the team and the powers that be, that’s all. Big difference, George. Stop putting words in my mouth (and Dipsy’s for that matter)

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      And just what is the difference between BS and lies? I know that one other definition of the word is “exageration,” but isn’t that a fabrication, too? And really, anyone who “isn’t forthcoming,” is certainly not being truthful in most people’s eyes.

      I didn’t put words in you or Dipsy’s mouth. I just provided what the words you put in your own mouths really amount to.

      To put is another way: If I call you a butthole, isn’t that the same as my calling you an @ss? Even if I consider a butthole a place to bury burnt out cigarettes, you could certainly argue otherwise.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    No Eric. “Bullsh!tting” does not mean the same thing as “lying”. Grab a dictionary.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

       
    • Posts: 1048 EricL

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      From Dictionary.com:

      bullshltting
      [bool-shlt]  
      bull·shit
         [bool-shit] Show IPA noun, verb, bull·shlt·ted or bull·shlt, bull·shlt·ting, interjection Slang: Vulgar .
      noun
      1. nonsense, lies, or exaggeration.
      verb (used with object)
      2. to lie or exaggerate to.
      ——————————————————————

      Notice how both definitions have the word “lie” in them? If you’re going to accuse a guy of BSing, perhaps you should know what that word means.

       
  • Posts: 2888 Chuck A.

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    I’m not criticizing him for getting injured. What I’m critical of is his failure to talk about it with his employer, something that, if you’re making $15M a year, you sort of have at least a little bit of an obligation to do. And I don’t buy into the notion that he didn’t notice anything over the winter. No….Chase Utley is a private guy and a hard worker, two things that are admirable. I think he thought he could work through it and come out ok. He probably felt that there was no need to tell the Phillies anything. And I think the Phillies were surprised by the turn of events in the Spring because I will continue to argue that if they thought that Chase wasn’t gonna start the season on time they would not have traded away Valdez. And…let’s face it..Galvis has been somewhat of a surprise.

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      I think athletes that perform at a high level often have trouble when facing their own mortality. He probably did believe he could work through this in spring training the past two years. I’d think that both Utley and the organization realize by now that they need a new game plan for next winter.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    WEBSTER’S please. As a verb. Thanks. Geezuz. Dictionary.com. Really?

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    And even in your “dictionary.com” def. its “lie or exaggerate”. Did you see the inclusion of “or”. Ya ever buy a car before? A nice suit? You wife ever asked you if she looked fat in a dress? (respectfully).

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      From Websters:

      exaggerate: 1. to enlarge beyond the bounds of truth. 2. to misrepresent by overstating.

      Sounds like “lies” to me.

       
 
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