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It Happened! The Phillies Win in Walkoff Fashion, 7-6

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, June 20, 2012 10:32 PM | Comments: 40
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Mini Mart helped the cause tonight.

I was about to write that it was another wasted opportunity – another woulda, coulda, shoulda-type evening. Instead, the Phillies did something they had not done all year, and that’s come back in the ninth inning when they did not have a lead. They did so in the 7-6, come-from-behind victory over the Rockies to give them two wins in a row

HOW ABOUT THAT!

-You saw that coming right? The error on Rockies shortstop Marco Scutaro off the bat of Placido Polanco was improbable, especially since the Phillies have struggled mightily in those types of situations. Nevertheless, a win is a win. And they’ll take it anyway they can get it.

-Michael Martinez supplied the power early in the game, but for a while it was more of the same with the Phils being shut down the second half of the game. The final inning felt like a Phillies game from 2007, 2008, or 2009 – a blast from the past. It was that never say die attitude that the fans fell in love with.

-If you can believe it, all of the madness in the ninth inning came with two outs. I know, right? The Phillies were previously 0-28 heading into their final at-bat when trailing in the ninth inning so far this year. Make that 1-28.

OH, JOE!

-Joe Blanton was back to his old self – giving up home runs and being inconsistent. He allowed five runs in seven innings, all of them coming on three home runs by the Rockies. Not the type of effort that anyone hoped for.

PAPS BLOWS IT

Again, Jonathan Papelbon just couldn’t get it done in a non-save situation. With a tie game in the ninth, he allowed the Rockies to take the lead. Papelbon entered Wednesday night’s game with 0.00 ERA in 17 save opps and a 5.79 ERA in 10 non-save opportunities. In tie games this season, opponents are hitting .545 (6-for-11) with 4 extra-base hits off the closer. Just weird. Really no way to explain it.

DON’T QUESTION CHARLIE

-We can no longer question Manuel’s moves. If he doesn’t bring in Papelbon in a tie game from now on, now you know why.

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  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I am dancing around the living room in my tighty whities

    jug·ger·naut/ˈjəgərˌnôt/
    Noun:
    A huge, powerful, and overwhelming force or institution.

    I feel the music in me.

     
    • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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      T.M.I. !!!!

       
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      And so you see folks, what really does happen when you forget to take your meds regularly

       
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Apparently, if you bring Jonathon Papelbon in the game in a non-save situation, or a tie, he is just a plain old pitcher named,”Pap.” However, make it a save situation and you get Cinco Ocho, the psychotic 17 for 17 save maniac with an era of 0.00 in those 17 opportunities. Apparently, multiple personalities suits this team, as we never know who is going to show up: Evil Kendrick or Good Kendrick, Jbag or J-roll, etc. what an interesting season so far….

     
  • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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    it amazes me how pitchers like Papelbon come into ball games, crap their pants, blowing ties or leads, and end up as the winning pitcher! It happens more frequently than you’d think, check the box scores, it’s easy to find both B.S. and “W” on the same reliever in the same game a few times a week. Glad it happened for the Phils this time though!

    Big Ed, “interesting” wasn’t the word I was thinking of :-)

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Reminded of days gone by. When the Phils never quit no matter how many runs they where down and no matter if it was 9th inning 2 outs. Took a little luck but we will take it. Maybe this inspire the players…Maybe…

     
    • Posts: 877 schmenkman

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      It’s almost like you’re saying that when the Phillies lose, it’s because they quit.

       
  • Posts: 0 artemis

    This game shows us Phans truly the Phillies we have come to love for all these years. Never say die is the word. I hope that the first person they sell when the time comes this season is Blanton.

     
  • Posts: 556 Bruce

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    Phillies finally were the beneficary of a few crucial breaks for a change. Maybe their luck is changing and can move forward with a little momentum. Let’s make it THREE wins in a row tomorrow!

    Let’s go Phillies!

     
    • Posts: 556 Bruce

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      And tomorrow if Papelbon is needed in the 9th inning for a “save”, that will be a welcome relief knowing he is perfect in that role. :-)

       
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I noticed that Papelbon was one of the first to reach Polanco. I think that shows how much it bothered him that he gave up that run and how much relief it caused that he got taken off the hook.

    This is the first time in a long time I have seen the Phillies team I know and love. This is the kind of win that they can build some positive feeling in the team and maybe some more wins.

    Lets see how it goes tomorrow. At least tonight we get to have a little bit of that old smile back.

     
  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    I’ve been watching the Phils pretty closely for a while now. Long enough to know that the word ‘Momentum’ means nothing really. Whether the Phils win in a huge way (considering their record when behind in the 9th, regardless of how they won, it was huge) or lost, the Phils mindset is its a new day, start fresh. Which is good after a tough loss or a pasting. Professional athletes need to shake off the dust and get back to work, not reveling in the victory or bemoaning the poor loss.

    Coming off the best season (W-L anyway) the Phils have ever had, you cannot help but feel some sense of hope that the team will just get in a groove and start making things happen instead of giving up, playing like crap from the 5th inning on. I’m hoping (like most of you I’m sure) that the word URGENCY is in their minds and hearts and what we remember as a swaggar comes back to our boys.

    Go Phils, I get to be there tonight to see it happen.

     
    • Posts: 0 Roots

      “Long enough to know that the word ‘Momentum’ means nothing really”

      Yeah, you haven’t watched a lot of baseball if you believe that.

       
  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    Of course that means I will probably get to see Savery, Schwim Jim and who knows if Chooch will be taking the night off since he got plunked?

    On the bright side, Jeff Francis starts for the Rox, in 8.2 innings he has given up 18 hits, 12 runs and 4 walks for a 12.46 ERA – not typical of him of course, he does have a 4.84 lifetime ERA.

    Worley starts for the Phils.

     
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    I’ll be there tonight too. In the heat and everything. Would be nice to see Worley establish some good command early so this isn’t one of those back and forth affairs. Jeff Francis is a plus but, of course, he’ll be held to 75 pitches as per Jim Tracy’s weird set-up for his starters.

    As for last night, I’ll take it. Gotta say that I think the key to that whole 9th inning was Ty Wigginton picking up the ball in the left field corner as he was rounding the bases. He hesitates at all or doesn’t see it I don’t think he scores.

     
    • Posts: 60 GM

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      Wigginton was also running on the pitch, otherwise he probably wouldn’t have scored.

       
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      sec 106, row 4 – 3rd and 4th seats in. first beer is on me!

       
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    hey guys i’m a happy camper today! i hope this is a symtom of what’s in store for the rest of the season. if we start getting people back the lineup will strengthen the bench will be stronger and hopefully the pitchers won’t have to pitch like they’re walking on potato chips.
    with that siad can someone explain this to me. i watched the game! the rockies went ahead in the top of the 9th we came back and tied it and then won it right? i mean that’s how i took it and that’s what i saw. how can mcarthy say that it wasn’t considered a come from behind win since we tied it and won it in the same inning? who sits down and makes these rules ? as far as i’m concerned it was a come from behind win. what if it was a 2 run bomb? then it would be a come from behind win? makes no sense! anyway i’ll take 60 more of this type! if that happens i don’t care what they call em as long as they call them WINS!

     
  • Posts: 81 Tom

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    Great win but still gotta question some of Manuel’s moves. Took Blanton out after 7 even though he had only thrown 80 pitches and had settled in after a shaky start…Bastardo was lucky to get out of the 8th! Not using Thome as a PH for Martinez in the 8th with two outs and two men on base and then using him to lead-off the 9th? WTF Cholly? Why he continues to use Pap in non-save situations is beyond me! I’m sure he knows the stats just like everyone else. It was Einstein who said that the definition of insanity was repeating the same mistakes again and again while expecting a different result…not to imply that Cholly’s insane but sometimes his methodology is!!

     
    • Posts: 877 schmenkman

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      Papelbon’s career stats:

      Save situations: 2.24 ERA, 0.993 WHIP, 10.7 SO/9
      Non-save sit’ns: 2.47 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 10.8 SO/9

      I’m sure he knows the stats, too.

       
      • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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        Great for his career but not this season:

        Save situations: 0.00 ERA, 0.577 WHIP, 8.3 SO/9
        Non Saves: 6.10 ERA, 1.645 WHIP, 14.8 SO/9

        Smaller sample size of course but it’s still very telling. At least in my opinion it is.

         
      • Posts: 877 schmenkman

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        I would point to Fan from Germany’s comment.

         
    • Posts: 0 Phillies fan from Germany

      To read someting into 10 Innings pitched is insanity…

       
    • Posts: 1114 betasigmadeltashag

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      First Chalie does not trust that anyone on the bench can play defense and was not willing to risk that in a tie game, and why would you not lead off the Ninth with Thome, he has been on fire and is an extra base machine. And really you want to trust Blanton who had looked good at times then gave up bombs with a one run lead Bastardo has been good when starting innings, and pitched a non run eighth how is that a bad move, you let Blanton Pitch the eighth inning in a tie game, he is still going to Pap in the ninth so how did that effect the game. Charlie is by the book when it comes to closers, tie game at home you bring in the closer, tie game on the road you don’t. They pitch one inning, he has gone against that one twice.

       
    • Posts: 1114 betasigmadeltashag

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      On Big Joe;s performance, yea he gave up five runs in 7 innings not great, and they were all on HRs. He had a string of good outs, then a few bad hitters and they hit his mistakes. But over all he was keeping the ball down and had pretty good control. The guy is not an ace and even for a 3-4 guy 5 runs in seven innings is a bit much he kept them in the game.
      On a side note dvr’d the wrong station last night and had to watch the Rockie broadcasters and they showed an interesting stat about the Phillies. For all of you out there that thinks this offense is bad, compared to last year’s team it is not. 2012 compared to 2011 through the first 60+ games 2012 higer batting average, 1 more run per game, almost 20 more HR’s and a better OB%. The one thing that was different ERA the starters slightly higher this year relieves a lot higher. This is what gives me hope, that the Phillies pitching is better then it has shown thus far this year, and the if the offense can stay on this pace this team will come around and go on a roll for a long streach.

       
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    Like I said, I recognize that it’s a small sample size….but it’s STILL interesting that those numbers are what they are for this year. Is it the uniform, the ballpark(s)?? Is it just a fluke?? Maybe both. But it can’t be ignored.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      OK. I think it’s interesting AND it can be ignored. I just have a hard time putting more value in the last 10 innings than the 154 previous ones.

       
    • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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      I wholeheartedly agree, it can’t be ignored. And I have a theory as to why it’s happening. I think when he’s warming up in the bottom of the eighth he’s hoping we take the lead so he can come in for a save top 9. When it doesn’t happen he’s disappointed (consciously or unconsciously), and he loses his edge a bit. Pure speculation on my part, but it’s plausible. Maybe Cinco-Ocho only comes out for saves? :-)

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Interesting though that that hasn’t been an issue for him until this year.

         
      • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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        The brain is a funny organ. ( I think it’s an organ???)
        Anyway, state of mind definitely changes over time. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he is affected negatively in a non save situation now, when he never was before. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it goes back to normal, the guy is a competitor. He’ll figure it out, the unknown is when.

        Oh, and I’m not a doctor, I just play one on the internet!

         
      • Posts: 0 Mike

        Maybe it has more to do with a lack of faith in the offense bailing him out if he is not “perfect.” When he is in a save situation he has wiggle room so he trusts his stuff more, when tied or non-save he MUST have a clean inning and he tends to nibble a bit more (see Dexter Fowler’s at bat). Additionally opposing hitters can be more patient in non-save situations where as in save situations they are trying to get something going or take the lead/win with one swing of the bat.

         
      • Posts: 5400 Lefty

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        Good points Mike, could be.

         
    • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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      schmenk – are you an ostrich?? I wouldn’t bury you head in the sand on this one. I think it’s very real and needs to be paid attention to. I think Lefty is right with his theory.

       
    • Posts: 0 Bayan

      Eric Thanks for the analysis. One qeoitsun, and one comment on the deal. First, the qeoitsun. If they had signed another closer, and cost themselves a first round pick, wouldn’t that also mean that they’d pick up a first round pick, when Madson signed elsewhere? And doesn’t signing Madson cost them a pick between the 1st and 2nd rounds? If so, I’m not sure it’s so important that they saved themselves a pick, as you spent a good number of words discussing. Especially since the Phils pick is likely to be later than the pick they’d pick up (assuming Madson signed with a contender, so the pick wouldn’t be bumped to the second round), and because they’d also pick up the pick between the first and second rounds. As for my comment, if the Phils were committed to spending that much on a closer, I’d rather it be Madson than the other options, but I am afraid this is an Amaro special, in which we’ll like the deal the first year or two, but then worry about it after (see Ibanez, Polanco, and Lidge contracts). Thanks for keeping my Phils addiction under control!

       
  • Posts: 2005 Brooks

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    At this point he has to be concious of it which makes it worse. But, until he works his way out of that ‘funk’, he needs to face this demon.

    Not too disimilar to what Lidge went through in 2009, Cholly kept tossing him out there until he felt he broke through – which happened to be the last day of the regular season. Did it matter? Nooo -

     
  • Posts: 2896 Chuck A.

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    That’s my whole point. It hasn’t been an issue for him until this year so I think it’s important to pay attention to.

     
    • Posts: 877 schmenkman

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      What we know without digging further is that it hasn’t been any more of an issue for his career than save situations have.

      However I am sure he has had 10-inning stretches in save situations where he has struggled, and likely the same with non-save situations.

      It’s true he’s never had a 6+ ERA in non-save situations for a full season, but he’s also never had a 0.00 ERA in save situations either as he does at this point.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Love the optimism and I really hope you guys are right and the start of something good.

    But have to say this Rockies team is one of the most horrible debacles ive ever seen.
    A 4 man rotation with the pitchers limited to 75 pitches?

    It is almost like they are purposely in the tank and trying to beat the Padres for worst record in MLB.

    Do hope the phils hit tongiht I am facing Francis is fantasy.
    Ill be at the Blue Crabs game so will be missing the game.
    Go phils.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    The whole sport has changed. This isnt Sutter or Fingers who you could pitch 3 innings bring in the 4th inning or do anything you want with.

    Todays players are all spoiled and set in thier ways.

    Paplebomb is really at his best in save situations and coming in to start the 9th.

    Why would a manager not want to only use a player in a situation that is nto his best?
    At some point this year the old man will bring him for a 4 or 5 out save and the Phillies will lose the game because of it.
    But thats what the old man does. He doesnt learn. He never did with Lidge and I doubt he ever will Paplebomb.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Until this year his performance in non-save situtations was essentially the same as in save sits.

       
 
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