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Phillies Trade Thome To Orioles

Posted by Ryan Dinger, Sat, June 30, 2012 06:54 PM | Comments: 33
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Shortly after the Phillies lost their fourth straight game, they found out that they would also be losing future Hall of Famer, Jim Thome.

The Phillies have traded Thome to the Baltimore Orioles, as first reported by CSN Insider Jim Salisbury. In return for Thome, the Phillies will get 21-year-old right-hander Kyle Simon (3.96 ERA at Frederick, Baltimore’s High-A affiliate) and 19-year-old catcher Gabriel Lino.

This is a move that makes sense for both sides. Baltimore is in need of a DH, and the Phillies don’t have a spot for Thome in their regular lineup, as his balky back prevents him from playing the field.

Interest in Thome piqued following his return from the DL when he hit .333 with four home runs and 14 RBI while DHing for the Phils through a nine game American League road trip.

The 41-year-old Thome came to Philadelphia this past offseason to try and win a World Series, but, at this juncture in the season, it doesn’t look like he’ll have a chance to do that with the Phillies. Some have suggested that the Phillies traded Thome as a professional courtesy, allowing him to go to contender where he’ll have a chance to play regularly.

During parts of four seasons, Thome hit 101 home runs with the Phillies. He has 609 career home runs.


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  • Posts: 0 Stuart

    I will miss Jim Thome greatly. When I was younger he was the face of the franchise that was supposed to bring Philly back to glory (and kind of did leaving the door open for Howard) but I used to wear my Phillies Thome shirt with pride. Hope he does well in Baltimore.

     
  • Posts: 0 Cs

    At least we got more then cash.

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Funny yesterday i reached the point where i realized the season has officially slipped away. Guess they did as well…..Tough pill to swallow…

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian

    Victorino ought to be next. Ruben created a mess and needs to start making corrections.

     
  • Posts: 0 Tyler

    We should have gotten some offense during the offseason instead of wasting $50 million on a closer we can’t even use most of the time.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    The Thome trade likely wasn’t about conceding the season. Thome wasn’t going to get enough at bats in Philadelphia to warrant his place on the roster, and the Phils at least had enough respect for him to get him to a team where he’d actually be playing regularly.

    Also, Amaro has made mistakes, but Victorino wasn’t one of them. He’s certainly lived up to his contract, even though this is his one off-year, and the only real reason to trade him would be to acquire something a little better than a draft pick. I also don’t really feel that the “mess” referred to was all Amaro’s creation. He certainly didn’t cause Utley’s knees to give out, Howard’s Achilles to rupture, Halladay’s lat to get strained, or Cliff Lee to suddenly go sour. He didn’t rip the tendons and ligaments out of Herndon’s and Contrera’s elbows, put chips in Worley’s, break Galvis’ back, or fray Stutes’ shoulder. He also didn’t tell all those minor league relievers fans thought so highly of to pitch like garbage when he brought them up.

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      +1. This is a good move for all concerned. thome just can’t play the field and he needs the ABs to be effective. He’s better off in the AL. Phils get two young long shot prospects. Win-Win for all concerned.

      When is Nix coming back?

       
    • Posts: 534 Bruce

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      @George; If there is a “like” button for your comment to click on I do it instantly. :-)

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        same here!

         
    • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

      Great post, George!

       
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    It really, really sucks to see Jim Thome go. However, maybe it was something that had to be done. One thing is for Ruben to tell the players he is willing to move them if the team is not going anywhere and another thing is for him to actually do it. Lets see how they react to this wake up call.

     
  • Posts: 0 Doug McClain

    I followed Jim Thome his entire career, a class act always from Cleve. to present !! Hall of Fame!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Brian Michael

    Agreed. Good move for all involved.

    Luckily for the Phils, Thome aced the “interview” earlier in the month when he hit two dingers in Baltimore.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Class act all the way.
    Professional courtesy here. Hardly a wake up call.

    A wake up call would be taking Pence out mid inning the next time he botches a play in the outfield. Like a tee baller would
    And I like Hunter but something like that is what this team needs.

    Along with a few other wake up calls.

    I truly believe that if the drill instructor from Full Metal Jacket was given this team to run for a month they would improve greatly.
    Charlie and Ruben being everyones best buddy is why they are firmlyy now in last place.
    Because there is talent here.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      AFW i believe cholly should go next! it’s not all his fault but sometimes a new face or a new attitude from a different manager helps change things somewhat. i think another courtesy would be to have the phils move cholly out in a different area of the organization, sortof like not firing him outright but talk him into it . to save face for him. i mean i’m not crazy about him never was! but no matter what we won a wfs with him so cudos to him for that! but i think the way they’re going it’s time. and after that start tooling the team for next year.

       
      • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

        A manager with the most wins in franchise history isn’t going to get fired after winning five straight division titles, including two World Series appearances and one WFC. It just won’t happen.

        And by the way, this disaster isn’t his fault. It falls totally on the composition of the 25 man roster.

         
  • Posts: 534 Bruce

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    I have mixed emotions. I’m sad to see “Gentleman” Jim leave but at the same time I’m happy for him that he will have his opportunity as a DH to help a contending team in Baltimore.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I blame Ruben Minaya 1,000,000,000 times more than Charlie.
    BUT
    Firing him wont salvage this year or next.
    Thats more long term to save the franchise. Not about winning on the field now.
    Charlie going will help immediately.

    Also Baltimore is currently contending and I like their team. But if the Phillies got R. Lee Ermey to manage the team tomorrow.
    Inside of 2 weeks the phillies would be in more contention than Baltimore. Who is teetering on falling out of it.
    This was about getting him to the AL. More so than going to a contender. Although yes they are still contending but falling fast.
    Bottom line.
    It doesnt have to be over before july.
    But keeping the status quo it most certainly is.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I honestly feel the season is lost, but I wouldn’t go into total sell mode yet. As I said before you can’t lose 4 BP arms and your 3 & 4 hitters and expect to be dominating. Toss in all the other injuries. You also had 5 straight years of winning, trading for chips at the deadline and low draft picks and too little money on the international market. The core should be maintained i.e. resign Hamels. One year contract guys like Vic, Pierre can go if they can bring back something that will help the farm. Bull Pens are generally cyclical, it’s the nature of the beast.

    Phils will be back if RAJ plays this out properly.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      “I honestly feel the season is lost”

      You asked about 4 losses ago if anyone realistically thought the Phils could play .625 ball, or some successful similar measure the rest of the way, and I offered up that I did. I wasn’t head over heels warm and fuzzy on it, and the pain has continued since. So the grope of digging deep to find closure with “the season is over” feeling makes even more sense than it did to ease the frustration, but I’m going to take the same opposite stance, even deeper into this miserable year to date.

      23 games in July. Doc figures to start 4 of them. No, I don’t expect 4 complete game 2 hitters, but if he has enough magic to resemble Doc, think what a difference that is from June when he had 0 appearances.

      A west coast trip hopefully helps Cliff regain his groove with the spacious parks, and hopefully before that in division games.

      Chase gets some timing down by mid month, and is as close to Chase as nature allows, and that can’t hurt.

      Those are just the highlights. Somehow, good fundamental baseball starts on the part of most of the roster.

      It might seem lofty, but my goal for the Phils, based in part on all that is 17 wins in 23 games, and chopping 4 games off the Nats lead. Maybe even pass a club or two in the division. Get some confidence going, and positioning for a stir em up if nothing else second half.

      I go back to early in the season, when people asked after all of 3 games (there was zero offense) and people were talking about trading Hamels as the season was lost. John Morosi, in late April wrote that he thought the Phils were already in trouble.

      I thought those type comments were nonsense then, and that it’s turned out the way those type thinkers think/feel by the process playing out, which is always a wise idea to respect is inclusive of far more than their premonitions could have seen.. Same thing here. The season may carry on as it has in more painful ways. But there’s enough reason to believe that for now, which matters most, the season is NOT over. Let it play out, as a good 3 weeks remain before you really need to evaluate trade possibilities.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    @ PSU
    RAJ cant handle the most simple bottom line 1 + 1 = 2 moves properly.

    He was handed a world series team and the #1 minor league system.
    Then he was handed Doc Halladay the best pitcher in the sport.

    And we watched for years as he destroyed that winning hand.
    He is the players buddy these are his guys.

    His level of incompetence is beyond belief. There are 30%-50% of posters on this stie that could GM better.

    Its sad really because with a real GM this entire situation would have been avoided.
    And when you field a team of all old guys. They will get hurt.
    Next year they will be older. So I dont see less injuries. I see more.

    Ive seen this story before with Omar Minaya. It doesnt end well.
    The clueless never catch a clue regardless of how long you let them try.
    RAJ will never have a clue.
    But he will lock up an old guy till 2020. And be happy about it.

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      Stutes out for the season is very young
      Herndon out for the seson is very young
      Galvis out for most of the seson is very young
      Utley/Howard out for most of the season are not old at all
      Worley out for a chunk

      Isn’t Contreras the only over 35 guy out? Polanco qualifies as old, but he’s gonzo after this year. Howard may be old in the last few years of his contract, but he’s not old now, not by a long shot. Utley isn’t old either.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      Odd about those old guys. Polanco, Rollins, Ruiz, are all playing steadily. One of those old guys was still producing well enough to bring two prospects in trade. When I look at the Phils’ DL, I see mostly young pitchers. Utley, whose injury had more to do with genetics and playing hard, has returned and Howard, whose injury wasn’t exactly age related, is due back fairly soon.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    33 for a crippled up player in maor league baseball is old.

    Just curious do you think Rollins is old?

    Galvis is the only young player Id say I have seen this year. Total.

    I guess this is where we part ways. Because I consider this team elderly to the point of looking at an injury report more than stats. You think they are not old.

    I cant help you there.
    But lets say look at Utley and Howards stats the last 5 years.
    Maybe its bad management. I actualy believe thats possible. With good management they wouldnt have fallen off so dramaticly.
    To me I see it as they are old and damaged.
    But maybe you are right. With a proper management and coaching of thier careers they wouldnt be old.
    But they are. Very old and stuck and thier ways and long on the downside of thier careers.

    I see now they arent so much old as improperly handled.
    I agree to that.
    But this improperly handled talent pool is now old. Because it wasnt handled properly at all.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Really stupid comment. No one in the world could have foreseen Utley’s knee problem, including Utley. Howard, though his production has declined, is still a force to be reckoned with, as per Seidman the other day. And Rollins and Polanco seem to be producing pretty well lately. Maybe AFW should be the trainer since he knows how badly the players have been handled. Oh, I forgot. He has no license and no qualifications.

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        One other stupidity: many of the young players haven’t been seen by AFW because they’ve been on the DL the entire season, or almost the entire season. Two or three won’t be back until 2013. At least the “old” guys (except Contreras) are returning this year.

         
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    I play pool in a league. One year we assembled a rag tag bunch with one really good player a fairly decent player. The rest of us (including me) where inexperienced a rag tag bunch. We made it all the way to the Championship before losing. Next session we had a good on paper team, hand picked by our team captatin. We finished next to last. The next session we did better but where eliminated in the early rounds. Much of the same to follow for the next few sessions. Either we didnt make the playoffs or where eliminated quickly. Since then we where unable to replicate our Championship run. Until finally a few weeks ago the team dissolved. With the exception of myself and team captain. Back then we where a hungry, thirsty inexperienced bunch with the right amount of guidance from the 2 seasoned players on our team. What this has to do with the Phillies. It reminds of exactly what has transpired in the last few years with this team.

     
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  • Posts: 0 poconosms1

    Hey Fracona took boston to championship and then had the sense to can him when boston did poorly. Same thing with torre and the Yankees. Time to fire charlie. Business is business. You dodnt produce then you fire him.

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Uhhh.. Terry Francona totally lost the clubhouse…to the point where they were playing video games and drinking beer during games. http://boston.sbnation.com/boston-red-sox/2011/10/12/2485234/boston-red-sox-collapse-boston-globe

    Joe Torre and the Yankees was a totally different situation also. Torre was at the end of his contract and the Yankees chose to look elsewhere (even though they did give him a low-ball offer).

    You can’t even begin to compare Charlie Manual to these other two cases.

     
    • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

      I agree with Chuck, here. Francona had lost control of the team, and the Yankees did not want to renew Torre’s contract. Manuel, albeit an inept country bumpkin at times, who can make poor managerial decisions, is still a strong influence to the players and almost always defends the players to the hilt, which they seem to like. However, while clubhouse morale and congeniality are fantastic, as well as protecting players in a slump or funk, is also a stalwart stand, Manuel should retire. The team at this point, although Charlie isn’t going anywhere this season, needs a manager to really light a fire under them, and not be afraid to put guys in their place. (I know he does, but how much is it really working anymore?). I’d love to see Cholly move into player development or the such, and have them bring some new blood up – Sandberg. I could be wrong, as I am hoping the ship rights itself before the all-star break, as we play the NL East this week, but this ship has a lot of leaks to patch. Go Phils!!
      Cool Historical Quote:
      “You just want to shut your eyes, say a prayer and chuck the ball (to Ed Delahanty). The Lord only knows what’ll happen after that.” – Crazy Schmit, after Ed Delahanty hit four homers in one game, and went 4 for 5, with seven RBIs.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Pence to the Dodgers? Anyone? Bueller?

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      The Dodgers would probably prefer someone to play center while Kemp is out, and the Phils would probably prefer to trade Victorino, since he’ll be a free agent soon, and because they paid so much for Pence.

       
 
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