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Phils Pull Out a Win Versus Twins

Posted by Jay Floyd, Thu, June 14, 2012 12:14 AM | Comments: 68
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Nothing comes easy these days for the Phillies, as the National League East division’s last place club went down to the wire on Wednesday night to notch a victory over the Twins by a score of 9-8.

Behind a less-than-sharp Cole Hamels, the Phils were able to lock down a win in a month when such results aren’t very common.  The game marked just the third time the 2012 Phillies did not lose in June.

Even the “Good” Games Leave You Feeling Badly:

-Hamels, who was charged with six earned runs in 6 innings of work,  has a 6.07 ERA in his past four starts, while his ERA in the nine starts that preceded those was 2.17.

-Amazingly, in a contest where the opposing starting pitcher, P.J. Walters, didn’t record an out and when the Phillies grabbed a six-run lead in the opening frame, it wasn’t an easy win, as Minnesota battled and made the visiting team sweat in the late innings.

-Despite striking out the side in the 8th inning, a wild pitch on the 3rd K by Chad Qualls allowed the tying run to reach base in the bottom of the 8th inning.  Manager Charlie Manuel then went to Jonathan Papelbon for the four-out save.  Papelbon allowed no additional runners and locked down his 17th save of the season.

-The Phillies missed a golden opportunity to pad their slim 9th inning lead when they loaded the bases with no outs and failed to plate a run. Placido Polanco, John Mayberry Jr. and Michael Martinez were the culprits who let the offense down in a critical spot.

-Placido Polanco, who was missed by the Phils, especially on defense, over the past week, since he was sidelined after being spiked on his glove hand last week, returned to action and went 0-for-5.

A Couple Bright Spots:

-Jim Thome and John Mayberry Jr. combined for 8 RBI.  Each man homered for the Phillies.  Thome’s blast in the 4th inning garnered a standing ovation from the Target Field crowd that used to cheer for the veteran on a more regular basis when he played for the home team.

-Juan Pierre, Carlos Ruiz and Hunter Pence each notched a three-hit game.  Pierre leads the Phils in multi-hit games this season, with 22.

Notes From Elsewhere:

-Chase Utley, DH’ing in a rehab outing for Class A Advance Clearwater, went 1-for-5 with a double and an RBI.

-Ryan Howard and Laynce Nix both played with the Phillies’ club in extended spring training.   Each player went without a hit in four at bats.

What’s Next:

Joe Blanton, who has tallied a 9.91 ERA over his past five starts, takes the hill in Thursday’s series finale.  He’ll face lefty Scott Diamond, who  is 3-0 with a 1.03 ERA in four home starts this season.
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  • Posts: 0 bacardipr05

    A win is a win..Cant help to say it but even the wins are looking ugly… Tomorrow we have Blatnon on the mound…and after 2 straight days of good offense….The usual pattern of they cant hit a lick will probably follow…Hoping it doesnt…

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      “The usual pattern of they cant hit a lick will probably follow…” — as it does with every team. The Phillies aren’t any more inconsistent than other teams.

       
    • Posts: 2069 Brooks

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      This team taught me not to believe in momentum, turnaround or whatever else we would want to use that would describe the huge gust of wind filling their sails – but, bacardi –
      The Phils have scored more than 5 runs in consecutive games 24 times and are 18-6 when doing so.
      They have managed to score more than 5 runs in 2 consecutive games 8 times – having a record of 8 wins with 1 loss. And when scoring more than 5 runs in a game for 3 games in a row the Phils have won that third game but its happened all of 2 times. The Phils have scored 5 runs or more in 4 consecutive games 1 time – that was a loss.

      There have been plenty of low scoring losing streaks riddling these:
      A 6 game streak back in April where the Phils scored 0-2 runs and were 2-4 in that streak.
      Four games in a row back in May where the Phils scored 1 or 2 runs – Phils were 1-3

      The month of June has been interesting. The pitching has fallen apart, the offense actually looks pretty good (mostly before inning #5) and yet the record stands at 3-9. There are 16 games left in June and the Phils would have to win 11 games to be at .500 for the month. It’s not happening.

      A losing April (11-12)
      Winning May (16-13)
      June so far (3-9)

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        1st 16 games:
        - 2nd fewest runs scored
        - 2nd fewest runs allowed

        last 48 games:
        - 2nd MOST runs scored (also 2nd most games with 3+ and 5+, and most with 4+)
        - 3rd MOST runs allowed

         
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Matt Cain has a perfect game going into the 8th.

    So while the Phillies are a laughing stock and serve only to amuse us anymore.
    The baseball package pays for itself for me.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    92% of the time when a team loads the bases with no outs they score.
    92%

    Now I am on the phone wiht my buddy when the Phillies load the bases in the top of the 9th with a one run lead.

    We both knew they werent going to score. Thats an 8% of a “normal” team.
    But it certainly isnt that percentage for this team.

    Yes Schenk this team is more inconsistant and different than a ” regular” team.

    2 games ago Rollins had 4 hits. But his 5th time up with runners on and a chance to do something he popped up when it really mattered.
    Not even trying to pick on Jimmy here but thats what this team does.

    This team is different.
    Its basicly a traveling circus show now with the Bennie Hill theme song playing in my head as it all happens.
    They can be 4th in the league in offense and I can tell you a week in advance that they are not going to score a run in a game 5 of a playoff series.

    Comparing them to the rest of the league no longer works. When 92% chance and we all know its really a 0% chance.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      First, your comment doesn’t have anything to do with game-to-game consistency, which is what I was addressing, but that’s ok. You raise an interesting topic.

      Also, you say that comparing to the league no longer works, and yet that’s exactly what your comment is based on – that the Phillies are different (worse) than the league.

      It’s extremely frustrating when the Phillies fail in those situations. And obviously those failures are what we remember, because they don’t fit our expectations.

      So how have the Phillies hit in these situations and similar ones?

      - bases loaded, 0 out: 3-7, 3rd highest average, 5th highest OPS
      http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats_lg.cgi?full=1&params=bases%7C0%20out%2C%20111%7CNL%7C2012%7Cbat%7CAB%7C
      - bases loaded, in general: highest average (.345), 2nd highest OPS
      http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats_lg.cgi?full=1&params=bases%7C111%7CNL%7C2012%7Cbat%7CAB%7C
      - RISP: 4th highest average, 7th highest OPS
      http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/split.cgi?t=b&lg=NL&year=2012
      - RISP and 2 outs: 2nd highest average, 3rd highest OPS
      http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats_lg.cgi?full=1&params=clutc%7C2%20outs%2C%20RISP%7CNL%7C2012%7Cbat%7CAB%7C

      Again, there have been far too many situations like last night’s. But a little perspective can keep us from going crazy.

       
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Forgot to mention this, where they’ve been awful, as has been well documented:

      - man on third, less than two out: scored only 39% of runners (16th; league average is 49%)

       
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      AFW i’m watching the game with my wife.. top of the 9th bases loaded i say to her poly sucks he aint gettin the ball out of the inf. ta daa mayberry.. i say he’ll strike out ta daaa. then the cherry on the top! mini freakin mart aka ( the great blowbino ) i start to say to my wife.. she holds her hand up and says just watch the game will ya? ta daaaa. almost like a script!

       
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Seriously, AfW?

      I mean, you’re going to pick on a guy who went 4-5 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI because he didn’t go 5-5 and the one out he made that night happened to come with guys on base? Seriously, you’re criticizing a guy who went 4-5. Think about that. It’s really absurd. Probably worse than that, but Im trying to be nice about it.

      The Phillies actually score above the league average with RISP and two outs. So when you couple that with their really bad RISP and <2 outs, you get a team that drives in runs at about an average clip….and since they have a lot of baserunners, they typically score pretty healthily.

      This year, it's their pitching that's let them down a majority of the time.

       
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    and……schmenkman – Phillies were 3.5 GB when those last 48 games began (April 20) and they are 9.5 GM now. So your stat is rendered fairly meaningless…

     
    • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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      Chuck, two questions for you:

      1) how far behind would the Phillies be if they hadn’t scored so many runs?

      2) how much closer to 1st would they be if they hadn’t allowed so many runs?

      I don’t know what meaning you think I was trying to convey, other than that the offense has been among the best in the league.

       
      • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

        Except when it counts. When men are on base. Please don’t give some meanless stat, as the only thing that really counts is W’s so when it counts their not doing it as evident by the wins.

         
      • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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        Fine – no stat. But it’s simply not true to say the Phillies are worse than average in hitting with men on base or with runners in scoring position. Look it up yourself. Scroll about half-way down, click on the stat heading down the left hand side. Enjoy.

         
      • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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  • Posts: 0 Don M

    all year it seems that when the pitching is there, the offense isn’t . . . . when the offense is there, the pitching isn’t

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    No, schmenk… what you’re trying to do is somehow make it out like the Phillies are a good team BECAUSE of the offense which, right now, they’re not. It doesn’t really matter how good the offense is at this point when the defense sucks and the pitching is questionable from one given night to another. The bottom line is that they are 9.5 games back.

    And, to be fair, you’re right….they would probably be FURTHER back if not for the offense as of late. How much further back I really don’t know. I mean, before last night’s game (which they were in real danger of coughing up) they were 1-9 over 10 games. 10 games where the offense wasn’t terrible. I’m not sure how much worse they could get over those 10 games unless you’re talking about 0-10.

    Look, we all appreciate all the stats and the optimism that you impart on this board. You present everything in a clear, respectful manner without being a d!ck about it like some statheads on here. And, to be clear, I’m not throwing in the towel yet, either. But I have my serious reservations..

     
    • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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      Chuck, with all due respect, how could the words “2nd most runs scored and 3rd most runs allowed” be intended to describe anything but an average team?

       
      • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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        That’s a fair point. But I’ll ask this: Are they even an “average” team right now? I mean, I get the stats….but do they really qualify as an average team when they are playing so poorly??

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Yes, Chuck, they’re an average team. If you transplanted them into the NL West, NL Central, AL West or AL Central they’d be just about in the middle of every one of those divisions.

        It just so happens that the East divisions are much better than average, so when you put an average team in the middle of a bunch of good teams they trend toward the bottom.

        (This is also why it’s stupid to schedule more inter-divisional games, because its not fair to the teams in the east that they have to play a ton of games against difficult opponents while teams like the Dodgers get to play a disproportionate number of games against two teams with a winning % under .400)

         
      • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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        Over those 48 games, sure: 23-25 is about as close to perfectly average as you can get.

        But over the past 11, obviously no — the results have been much worse than average (although if you dig deeper the underlying stats are somewhat better).

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    They are 30-34 …. with an Expected W-L of 32-32……..

    I’d say they’re an average team – this team has failed to click all season, they couldn’t hit and would lose 2-1 … then they hit, but the bullpen couldn’t hold leads… now they hit, but the starters can’t hold leads… …. they are average in every way right now

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    …..and their defense is horrific! Wigginton, Pierre, and Pence are all horrible fielders. When you put three guys out there that are train wrecks in the field you are gonna let in a lot of runs. I have already seen D that have lost the Phils at least 5 games this year…singlehandedly. Sure, the O is OK. You got three facets of the game offense, defense, and pitching. fair, suck, and suck. Hence, we are in last place.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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      They’re tied for the 5th fewest errors in the league, but that’s not a very good stat. All the more advanced fielding stats have them a little better or worse than average.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Well I’ll be damned. Then they just commit all the errors they do commit at the worst times. According to advanced metrics we should be leading the division.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Ok. Fine. The Phillies are an “average” team. But they are still in last place and 9.5 games back and 4.5 games out of the playoffs (with 6 teams in front of them). I feel better now…

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      with 99 games to play…

       
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Anyone still think Hamels is getting 7/$175 when he’s not even in the top 20 in NL era for starters?

     
    • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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      I wouldn’t pay it, but no one lets me make those decisions.

       
  • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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    I think we got used to some really great fielding over the last few years. Well, except in left field (Burrell,Ibanez). But how many teams have great LF’s anyway? So it doesn’t surprise me that the stats are close to average, but that’s not what we’re used to, it’s not the way division winners play.

    To me, it’s a vicious cycle. When the bats are good, the relief pitching stinks. When the starting pitching is good, they can’t score. When the pitching and bats are good, the fielding stinks. It’s a funk, and it can’t last forever. Unfortunately, even if it were all to get better today, it may be too late. But,…. and I can’t even explain why, I’m not ready to give in yet.

    @C Schreiber, my favorite flavor is cherry and I’m proud to drink it.

     
    • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

      are you priming me for a bet Lefty? My favorite is cherry also. Say a case of Cherry soda whether they make the Playoffs or not. I’m the or not of course.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Lefty – It CAN last forever. Our offense has a lot of bad offensive players. Our defense is filled with a lot of bad defensive players. Our bullpen is filled with bad relievers. So….until the players change, the results stay the same. To my way of thinking anyway.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 5160 Lefty

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      Dipsy, that’s a perfectly reasonable, rational way of thinking. I employ it frequently in business and important family matters.

      But, as I have explained to Andrew, this is baseball, it’s my escape, my… temporary distraction from reality if you will. It’s my fun time, and no it hasn’t been as enjoyable this season as the past few, but it is still the way I choose to relax. (If screaming at a screen is what you’d consider relaxation, but I digress) I don’t want to employ rational thinking and reality to this, I just wanna sit back and watch my team play a ball game. I see the poor management, I see the players aging, I’m not blind. i get involved in the various controversies about the team.

      Yet here I am in the middle of June refusing to believe a 102 win team 9 months ago, can reach the edge of, and fall off a cliff so rapidly.

      Be a realist, that’s a good thing, and I admire it. Hell, I read here everyday because of the divergent viewpoints. But this is my – hobby, I just can’t treat it like real life. To quote the Tugger, I gotta believe.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Hamels or Hamilton . . . .

    a lineup with Hamilton, Howard, Pence 3-4-5 would be pretty fun to watch

     
    • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

      It would be better if it were Howard, Hamilton, Pence and you wishing upon a star if you think we can get Hamilton although I’s love it.

       
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    Good to see THome hit with authority, and Mayberry finally have a positive offensive game.

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Yeah, we have 99 games to play and I’m not giving up just yet. I’ll wait and see if this average team can somehow pull it together over the next month or two before declaring the season lost. 4.5 games out of the playoffs isn’t insurmountable by any means but when there are 6 others in front of you it becomes a bit more daunting.

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Do we even want Josh Hamilton with all his past (and still present) issues??

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Any line up with Howard hitting 4th isnt going to be fun to watch for me.
    Hes been bad and declining heavily for a long time.
    Now after this injusry he is all the sudden going to go back the 2007 Howard?

    Anyway I talk to people in the real world and they seem to get the concept of what the phillies are.
    I get it that this site is kind of like Mccarthy and Wheeler.
    Where you think this team can go 58-40 the rest of the way.
    Led by the great Howard and Utley.
    Its cool. It doesnt bother me.
    I was right the last 4 years about everything. The Giants series the Cardinals this year. Just let Rollins walk away. The injuries.
    And alot of you dont like it.
    I do wish I was wrong. But I am not into drinking kool aid.
    Just open honest judgements on things.
    I dont have favorites.
    I dont thnk they were the better team last year or the year before. Not with that line up.

    Anyway carry on.
    As I am mainly just laughing at the Phillies anymore. Impossible for me to get mad at a circus side show. And you guys thinking the circus side show is the best is amusing too. Like Wheeler and Mccarthy and comcast updating every AB by Utley in clearwater. Really? It is comical to me.
    Just remember to play this in your head during the games. It makes it more enjoyable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

    I havent been upset for one second of this season.
    Like I was in 2010 and 2011

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      Yeah, the Chris Wheeler that said last night that “it’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion.” But, whatever… believe and think what you want.

      Chuck A. McCarthy

       
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      It clearly does bother you … that you feel the need to pounce on anyone’s viewpoint that even remotely resembles something positive. We all get it, you don’t like Howard, Utley, Rollins, Polanco, Manuel, Amaro, Montgomery, or the Phanatic …

      But you don’t think that Hamilton, Howard, Pence would do some serious damage??
      Nobody said he needs to be 2007-Howard … I’ll take the version of the past two years where he hits .260 with 30 HR, and 100+ RBI …. that’s still a good season from any #4 hitter

       
    • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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      2006-07 Howard is gone — everyone has career years, and those were them. Here is Howard “heavily declining” since 2008:

      125, 141, 127, 126

      That’s his OPS+ (i.e. his OPS relative to the league). Looks pretty steady to me.

       
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Im going to keep watching for the foreseeable future. If they get 10 back of the WC I may reconsider.

    Anyone else think Cole not having a contract yet is wayang heavily on him or is that wishful thinking?

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      I’ll keep watching if they’re 20 back…because they’re my team and it’s baseball. Life sucks in the winter without it so I’ll enjoy it in the summer ….win or lose.

      As for Hamels, he’s still gonna get a monster contract, whether it’s from the Phillies or anybody else.. Is it weighing on his mind?? Maybe. Or maybe he’s just had 4 bad starts in a row. Before that he flat-out DOMINATED. I still want him in my rotation for many years to come.

       
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    I definitely want Cole here in Philly, but If he’s not going to be here I think you have to maximize the value you can get for him. The Dodgers 1st rder and a sandwich pick isn’t enough.

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      Yeah, but they’re not gonna trade him mid-season even if they’re 10 out. Unless they are REALLY out of it (20 games) I would think that that would be one of the WORST messages to send your fanbase….that “we’re throwing in the towel and trading one of our biggest stars, someone you pay a lot of money to come and watch pitch.”

      Now, if the Phillies are 15-20 out in mid/late July and can get a monster haul for him (not even sure what that would be) then I guess they’d have to consider.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    You dont get it.
    It bothered me as I watched this team shoot itself in the foot with all these moves.

    Gillick handed Minaya an absolutely beautiful situation. One that you would almost have to intentionaly destroy to put us in this situation.
    Ruben Minaya Jr. has done just that.

    I am bothered that this team should be contending this year and the next 3 or 4 and they wont be.
    But I am over it. and enjoying this year. I do like pointing out some of the absurdity and will continue.
    I only attack you Donny and its in good fun.

    Also I dont mind any of them individualy its the combination of having all old guys that is a killer. Its an overall picture. Rollins if Utley and Poalnco were gone would be ok. Or vice versa. etc etc.

    And I will be watching every game too. And I pay to watch them all BTW.
    I am a fan just like you kool aid drinkers. I just choose to not drink the kool aid and analyze the situation openly and honestly. This team is a mess and the future is grimer than the present. And Howard and Utley are part of the problem not part of any solution.

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      Ruben Amaro, Jr. = Ruben Minaya, Jr. = Ruin Tomorrow, Jr. = “intentional destruction” = a crazy person’s take on the state of the Phillies.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    But you say that Amaro was handed a great situation . . . and then say that all of those players are the reason they are in a bad sitation.

    Howard, contract aside, is one of the best power hitters in the game – but because he’s not Votto, or Pujols, and he strikes out too much – you hate him..

    I have no problem with people that point out the obvious – but you spewing the same garbage comments not only day after day, but year after year …….. yet never saying what you would do differently besides “get younger” … you’re as old and unwatchable as this team you despise

     
  • Posts: 835 schmenkman

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    A great addition to the “bad team – average team” debate:

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2012/6/14/3087845/the-phillies-are-a-good-baseball-team

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      The title of the article is “The Phillies are a Good Baseball Team”.. Good baseball teams win those one run games.

       
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    I’m giving them until the all-star break, then I’m getting rid of the kool-aid, and preparing myself for the inevitable fire sale. I truly hope I am wrong and they return to the Phight’ins of old and turn it around. Tonight Sloppy Joe takes the helm…and if Cole gave up six to the Twins, imagine what sloppy will do. Bring up Cloyd and give him a shot. Lord knows, he is better than Blanton. Go Phils!

     
  • Posts: 0 hot dog

    afw does your arm hurt from patting yourself on the back.

     
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    The Phillies will be a very good team in 2013. We don’t know yet if the Phil’s will be a good team the rest of this year. If they are out of it they have enough trade chips to get a decent young player or 2.

    12 games left va the Nats with 9 being 8/24 or later. Phil’s need to stay in striking distance before then.

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      You don’t know if Hamels is here next season, you don’t know who the #4 & #5 starters are, and you don’t know who will be playing in half of the starting lineup (2B, 3B, LF and CF). You can’t say that they’ll be “a very good team” next year. We won’t know until all the winter moves are complete.

      We do know that it will be a very different team next season.

       
      • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

        Let’s hope so.

         
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    RAJ did a very good job picking up Pierre, Fontenot and Thome. Without them the Phil’s would be 20 back.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    No they wouldnt.

    Just like there wouldnt be some mythical hole at SS without the great Jimmy pop up.

    Donny
    I am not spewing anything.

    Ive been saying since 2009 to add 3 new younger players. I didnt care who they were. Any of them you pick. Instead Ruben hoarded ALL the old guys.

    He was handed a roster and a minor league that was loaded and turned it into this.
    Keep drinking the kool aid and saying how great it all is.

    As soon as the season ended last year I said. The easiest move in the world is to not resign Rollins. Its not hard. Its easy and he couldnt even do it.
    Whats funny is you support this.
    Like youve supported every other move.

    Ive offered common sense solutions for years. Trade Utley or Rollins after 09 and get some young talent.
    None of these moves are fan friendly so you guys eat it up.
    Now your team sucks with a 176 million dollar pay roll and has a bunch of old cripples signed up long term. And you think 2013 they are going to be great. It is laughable.

    I despise the ruining of the team. And I laugh at the fans like you who cant see writing on the wall.
    What do you really expect from Howard the next 5 years? LOLOLOL

    But you probably also think Thome will get you get a starting pitcher in a trade.
    Your a clown for a clown team.
    And as predictable and laughable ruben Minaya running a team into the dirt. And thinking they are all great.
    I dont think they were were the best team last year or the year before.
    But the clowns do. I am just suprised Bozo doesnt think the 2013 phils are the bestest ever.

     
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Howard
    Galvis
    Rollins
    Polanco
    Ruiz
    Brown
    Pagan
    Pence
    Halladay
    Lee
    Hamels
    Vanimal
    Kendrick

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Andrew, a question – You keep saying “your team” to all of us as if it’s not yours as well…only ours. Why? I’m guessing you are really not a Phillies fan at all, which really makes no sense to me since you spend an enormous amount of time on this site talking to all of us in that condescending manner of yours….as if you know everything and we don’t know sh!t.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    @ Chuck.
    I say your because the majority off posters here seem to have endorsed everything thats happened.
    I will not consider it my team as I do not own it.
    I also try to be very nice to people.
    Donny really always tries to make it personal. And I have no problem with that.

    Hate to say I told you so but I did Chuck for the last 3 years.

    You can goto the first game of 2011 thread. I tell you that the line up is not good enough.
    I also said youd win the division with ease.

    I get that the posters here are the abberation. Jimmy rollins posted a photo yesterday and the comments were hilarious.
    In the real world I am the majority who understands the issues with this team.
    You come here and its fantasy land where every year they are the best team.
    My real life Nats fans tease me about the contracts. Including Rollins. As soon as it happened. Here its celebrated.

    Do you really want a site where everyone agrees its all great? And the few if any like me who post anything negative are assaulted endlessly. I am used to it.
    But it why I seem to be alone here. When I am in a vast majority of the real world.

     
    • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

      I got your back, bro. I go along with most all you have said, Too old, too many singles hitters,
      no middle relief, too much $$ tied up in declining players and no future at moment.

       
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

      Avatar of Chuck A.

      I don’t own the Phillies either but I can tell you with conviction that They. Are. My. Team.

       
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      Actually, very few posters here have endorsed “everything” that’s happened with this team (but why let the facts get in the way of a good AFW rant?). There have been a myriad of opinions expressed here.

      As I said in spring training, I thought the changing of the guard in the NL East would take place this season. Some agreed, and some disagreed…that’s basically what this forum is here for – intelligent discussion. I don’t know what the purpose is of posting the same rant night after night for a six month season is. I really don’t.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    @ Schreiber I am sure that if the general public came here a vast majority would be like me.

    I remember in 2010 when I was the lone voice telling people here you dont want to play the Giants. thats when I really started being an outcast. Then last year as they are compiling 102 wins. I knew the line up would fail in the playoffs. ETC ETC
    I am not happy I am right. But I also am just analyzing a team I watch every game of. And yes indeed I am a fan. If more of the fans were like me. They wouldnt be in this mess. Alot of the bonehead moves have been to placate the fan base.

    @ chuck
    I enjoy your team too and have wanted to meet you at a WS parade.
    With a new GM and manager it could happen very rapidly. This is a sport with no salary cap and the phillies have the most money to spend. Its really why this is inexcusable and the future shuldnt be so grim.

     
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