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Sinking Fast, Phillies Still Have Options To Right The Ship

Posted by Ryan Dinger, Tue, June 19, 2012 09:00 AM | Comments: 49
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Cliff Lee isn't the only one hanging his head in the Phillies dugout these days after a frustrating 31-37 start has the team nine games out of 1st place. (AP)

The 2012 version of the Phillies has so far been unrecognizable. The team has lost its swagger, and they’re playing poorly in all facets of the game. Suddenly, a team that never lost late, never faced a deficit it couldn’t overcome, has become an unintimidating bunch of louts who make mistakes in the clutch.

However, the season is still early, and hope, though diminished, should not be entirely lost.

The team needs a shake up, something to light a spark. They need something to get people feeling good, not only for the team today, but also for the team tomorrow.

Here are three potential moves the Phillies could make to get the ship righted not only for this season, but for seasons to come:

1) Forget Youkilis, Trade For Chase Headley:

Trading for Kevin Youkilis seems to be all the rage these days. But the Phillies shouldn’t buy into the hype. Youkilis is on the decline and owed a lot of money. He may bring some value, but he’d be a short-term gain at the cost of more prospects in a depleted farm system.

If the Phillies are going to once again dip into their minor league resources, they must acquire someone who will make this team better short-term and long-term. Padres third baseman Chase Headley would do that.  According to a report from Ken Rosenthal, trading Headley is doable for the Padres.

Headley is currently 28, under team control for two more seasons after 2012, and, with a contract valued at $3.48M, would come at about a quarter the cost of Youkilis. He would give the Phillies a switch-hitting third baseman with excellent plate discipline, and, because he can play left field, Headley would provide Charlie Manuel the option to play him and Placido Polanco in the same lineup once Chase Utley returns.

Headley’s power and patience numbers compare favorably to Phillies left fielders, making the idea of playing him there feasible. Take a look:

  • Headley:  32 R 62 H, 7 HR, 31 RBI, 8 SB, .261/.372/.416 124 OPS+
  • Phillies left fielders:  34 R, 87 H, 4 HR, 33 RBI, 12 SB .313/.352/.417 114 OPS+

While Phillies left fielders have hit for a higher average (mainly because of Juan Pierre), Headley has hit more home runs and has a higher on-base percentage. Those power numbers would only increase moving out of spacious Petco Park. He could conceivably hit 20 home runs playing at CBP.

Because he’s primarily a third baseman, Headley wouldn’t force the Phillies to remove Pierre from the lineup entirely either. He could slide to third on days when Manuel wants to get Pierre in the lineup.

There’s only one caveat to trading for Headley: The Padres aren’t in a position where they need to trade him, so they’d have the power at the bargaining table. Still, it’s an avenue the Phillies should pursue if they want to add a bat to the lineup.

2) Acquire A Right-Handed, Late-Inning Reliever:

Since June 1st, the Phillies have gone 4-12. Most of the team’s struggles this month stem from the pitching, which has a 4.69 ERA in the month of June (26th in baseball). While the starting pitching hasn’t been great, most of those guys have proven track records and can be expected to bounce back. Where there’s real concern is the middle relief, which is desperately lacking a right-handed reliever to bridge the gap from the starter to Jonathan Papelbon. Solidifying that area would help the Phillies immensely. Here’s two options:

  • Grant Balfour, Oakland A’s: (2.94 ERA, 4.17 xFIP, 7.22 K/P, 79.3 LOB%) Balfour has been really good out of the ‘pen for the A’s this season. But relief pitching is a strength of Oakland’s and they can afford to trade him in a season that is quickly slipping away from them. The cost for acquiring him wouldn’t be exorbitantly high as Oakland would be happy to see the rest of his $4.0M salary off the books.
  • Jonathan Broxton, Kansas City Royals: (1.69 ERA, 3.74 xFIP, 6.75 K/9, 83.8 LOB%) Most Phillies fans remember Broxton as the guy the Phillies torched during multiple save opportunities while he was with the Dodgers. But look at those numbers again. He is dominating hitters for Kansas City right now, and they’re are looking to deal him because they won’t be able to re-sign him. Broxton would potentially give the Phillies two capable closers in the back of the bullpen, and make both the eighth and ninth inning shut down innings.

Either of these guys, who both play for teams looking to sell, would help the Phillies middle inning woes. Some of those late-inning losses could be turned into wins with their presence.

3) Trade Joe Blanton:

- There are a lot of names being tossed around as potential trade options should the Phillies be sellers this July. No matter what else they do, there is one move the Phillies can make whether they end up buyers or sellers. That is trading Joe Blanton, whose contract expires after this season.

Now, I know what you’re thinking: “Who in their right mind would trade for Joe Blanton?” And believe me, I understand. But hear me out on this one.

Since 2005, Blanton has amassed at least 175 innings pitched in all but one season (last season when he missed nearly four months due to an elbow impingement).  From 2005-2010, he averaged 199.1 innings per season, and he’s currently on pace to throw 200 innings this season. He’s got a career 4.36 ERA, has traditionally been a second half pitcher, and has experience pitching in the playoffs. Tell me that’s not a pitcher a team like the Indians, White Sox, or Red Sox–all teams still in the hunt–wouldn’t mind adding to bolster the middle of their rotation. Nobody would trade a top prospect for Blanton, but teams would be willing to offer a bundle of middle-tier prospects for a three month rental.

The deal works for the Phillies because Blanton is expendable. Roy Halladay is expected to return sometime in July, and he could slide in and take Blanton’s spot in the rotation. Trading Blanton would also free up some salary if the Phillies wanted to make a move, and provide the Phillies a way to restock the farm system, while not declaring the season a bust.

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  • Posts: 0 Chase

    These all seem like dreams. There has been no evidence that Ruben believes anything needs to change. I think we’re stuck with what we have.

     
    • Posts: 0 artemis

      Don’t count on it regarding RA. I’ve read a lot about how he is being dissed for the decisions he made. I can see heads rolling if at the end of these ten games at home, the performance continues to fall. The players must prove they are worthy of staying in Philly, otherwise it’s bye bye.

       
  • Posts: 0 Garo

    Trading Blanton seems the low-risk/low-reward move that doesn’t really affect our direction this year (unless we package those prospects for another player). The trick will be selling it to the fanbase as a “we’re not sellers” move.

     
    • Posts: 38 Ryan Dinger

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      I was actually hoping someone would bring this up in the comments so we could discuss it further. I like the idea of trading Blanton for a few prospects, and then turning some of those prospects around for another player (like Headley or one of the relievers). You’d probably have to include one of your better prospects in the deal as well, but a trade of Blanton would not only free up the salary to take on another contract, but give them the ability to make a deal while basically leaving the farm system as is. If Ruben could accomplish this, it wouldn’t like the team was selling. Rather, it’d look like they were retooling the current roster in hopes of making a second-half run.

       
      • Posts: 0 colin

        Blanton is not going to yield you the kind of prospects you would need to get Headley, who is only an average player to begin with. Supposedly Amaro tried to trade him 2 years ago (instead of Lee) and couldn’t get prospects for him then. And while his contract is no longer the anchor it was then (since this is the last year), Blanton’s injuries have decreased his value. So while Blanton may be moved, you are going to get fringe prospects at best, and probably fringe prospect (note, singular). Moving Blanton is a move for the sake of making a move. I would think that (if you really believe that they can make a run this year), you hold onto him and then move him to the bullpen to be that right handed relief pitcher you need. He actually did alright there in limited opportunities last year in the stretch run. The only problem with any of this is that it leaves you Kyle Kendrick in the rotation.

        My opinion is that we are not winning it this year (I know, huge leap there, eh?), so if you can get better prospects for Victorino and Hamels than the bonus draft picks you will get for losing them, then trade them (I really don’t think we are resigning him…if you can, then that has to be your first priority, but otherwise, determine his value on the open market vs sandwich picks). If anybody will take Qualls, I will drive him there. I am not a big advocate of trading Pence as I have read in some sites, especially because you gave up so much for him, but if you can get equal or better prospects back, go for it. But Dom Brown better be ready if you do that. I would love to see him healthy and playing the 2nd half in Philadelphia.

        For veterans that were obviously signed with this year in mind, e.g. Thome, Pierre, Nix, Wigginton, Qualls (mentioned above), trade them for whatever you can get. I would love to see Thome finish his career here, but for his sake, get him a chance at a ring. Guy deserves it. If Kendrick will get you a bucket of the Colonel’s orginal recipe, I would do it, but try and hold out for some Popeyes chicken if you can.

         
    • Posts: 0 artemis

      I would trade Blanton in a heartbeat. Every time I hear he is going to pitch the next game, I want to hide in a hole.

       
  • Posts: 0 colin

    Can we trade Ruben? I don’t want a GM who looks at this lineup and can’t see that it is aging and injury prone. He should have seen that, at the very latest, after their offensive collapse (for the 3rd straight year) in the playoffs last year (beginning with the loss to the Yankees in 09). He watched their offense collapse and went out and got you Papelbon. Huh? He saw your top HR hitter break in half and got you Laynce Nix. The only acquisition that has actually worked out so far had to beg for the opportunity (Pierre). Quite frankly, Pierre was a lucky mistake. Ruben only understands starting pitching. Sign Hamels and let Ruben walk.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Grabbing Chase Headley is the best idea that I’ve heard all year. Young, affordable, flexible, and with a great OBP. He’s an “under the radar guy” I guess, but if the Padres were interested in contending someday AND in grabbing a home town boy, Headley+ for Cole would be terrfific. Of course San Diego would never sign Cole so….so much for that.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 colin

      Headley for Cole? Are you kidding me? Look at what the Brewers gave up for Sabathia, a free agent that they were never going to sign…their number 1 prospect, 2 mid-level guys (one who is a starting OF, Brantley, for them now), and a low level guy. It does not matter that LaPorta did not work out, point is he was possibly the numer 1 prospect in baseball at the time.

      San Diego may try to sign Cole, as he is a hometown guy, but they are not in the race, so I don’t see them going for it now. If they wanted him they would wait until he is a free agent.

      But Cole for Headley is a joke. Possibly the best LHP in baseball for an average 3b. He would never succeed here as the fan base would turn on him and never let him get comfortable here. Better to get a high level prospect who won’t have to hear about it on a daily basis for a year or so.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      dipsy i’ve been telling my sons al year we should try to get headly! he has a lot of upside! better ofensively and much younger and is signed for 2 more year and at a reasonable cost! he a gfood fielder too! not as good as poly but he’s pretty good!
      i don’t think we could move blanton for him or prospects but i’s unload a younger guy who would benifit from that cavernous petco park Kendrick and savory and trow in someone else that is never gonna be up here. i’m happy to hear some other people are thinking with their (headly)

       
  • Posts: 0 colin

    The one guy I don’t want to see leave (and it would be hard to move his contract) is Cliff Lee. Love watching that guy pitch. I don’t know what his problem has been. I hope it is trying to do too much rather than age. Though, I think too much is being made of his record…his numbers are still better than his career (WHIP, ERA, Ks/9, BB/9, etc.), just not what they were last year. And last year, with the exception of ERA, did not compare to 2010. I think the beginning of the year was the Phillies offense did not support him, and lately he has been pressing. I love his passion. He has the attitude that this team will need next year and the year after that, especially as the “baby aces” start arriving.

     
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    I like these ideas. Nice post. Maybe Ruben Amaro Jr. will read them and get motivated. Or, has he given up the ship and searching for a lifeboat.

     
    • Posts: 0 colin

      Problem is, I don’t believe Ruben is aware that there is a problem with this team. I have no faith in that guy’s ability to build a team. While he has gotten some nice pieces, he let Gillick’s team get old and raped the farm system in the process, and hasn’t won another WS, which is the goal.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        hey colin let me break the news to you . number one name me one player besides michael bourne that we traded out of our minors that has done ANYTHING for any team! don’t say gio gonzalez cause he was never really one of ours and he was traded not only by us but two other teams before he landed on the nats. and the seasons not half over. he’s good but don’t blame the phils! we traded a # 1 pick who sucked for us and still sucks with gonzalez for a proven 20 gams winner! unfortunately he sucked for us. what are all the guys doing we traded for lee? nothing how about the ones for roy? nothing d’arnaud is the only one who might do something, drabeck is headed for his second tommy john surgury so with all of the raping of our farm system all these great minor leaguers we gave up what have their teams done? NOTHING! what have the phils done? 5 div. titles 2 wfs appearences and 1 wfc. not too bad other teams would love to be like that!

         
  • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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    Chase Headley…..maybe YOU can be the man. Since Chase Utley’s days as a major influence on this team are in question…

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    No smack – “Headley+” – means Headley PLUS more. Cmon guy, get your head in the game.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 colin

      My head is in the game,…any trade for a pitcher as good as Hamels that has Headley as the lead guy is a joke. Your comment obviously led me to believe that you were centering the deal around Headley. Headley isn’t worth Kendrick and Blanton and my 20 year old used jock. Headley was a nice prospect who hasn’t lived up to his hype.

      But why would San Diego want him if they would not resign him (as you stated)? They are further out of first place than we are and will never climb back in. There is no incentive for them to rent a player, which is what you suggested that they do. ZERO. Hamels only makes sense for them if they can resign him.

      So you really need to get your head in the game.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    No. Chase Headley is an asset when you consider his performance and his price. Since you don’t think Headley is worth a warm six pack of beer then I am sure you will agree that San Diego would actually be STUPID enough to add more value to the deal. Trading for Hamels now, for a team that wants him and will sign him to an extension upon trading for him (derrrrrrrr), could be worth it to that team in that they A) get three months from him this year; B) can save a few bucks by keeping him away from FA; and C) give that team some cost certainty, which is apparently what a lot of teams like to have.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 bryan

    I think we can safely assume that Since the cost of signing Hamels is.going to be too high, a three team trade that sends propsects+ to the Pads, Hamels to the As and Headley/Balfour to Philly would be a great idea. Blanton probably has some trade value too despite what we all know, and why not test the waters with Brown? His value is.diminishing daily. And lets trade Amaro and bring back Gillick.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    We should just trade Kyle Kendrick to the Rangers for Josh Hamilton … and send Victorino to the Mariners for Felix Hernandez

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      Thinking outside the box! I love it! After all, Texas doesn’t want to lose Hamilton to free agency and only get a couple of draft picks back.

       
    • Posts: 0 PhillyD

      Kyle Kendrick for Josh Hamilton!?!? i wish!!…..*sigh*

       
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        I thought it was pretty obvious that I was joking… a shot at the people that don’t realize it takes two teams to make a deal – and just because a deal is good for the Phillies, doesn’t mean the other team would do it unless it benefits them too


        I would love Chase Headley, but I don’t think he’s any kind of difference maker in us winning a WS or not, so to give up more prospects – with a team this far from contending wouldn’t be wise in my opinion . . . I like Balfour, but what would he cost . . . if this team got Utley and Howard (even in their weakened states), plus Balfour at the dealine – those are pretty big additions to the roster – might be enough to make a run, might not be . . .

        but 4-12 record in June, and 6-games below .500 aren’t good things. . . I’m not playing the blame game, because injuries have forced everyone into unfamiliar roles, but if we’re still under .500 at the deadline, I think they need to SELL

         
      • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

        It was very obvious…but not far off from some of these people that believe the team can get “prospects” for Joe Blanton.

         
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    There are some good ideas here Ryan. Even if none of these come to fruition, this is the type of thinking that needs to go on in the Phillies front office. I even heard someone mention (I can’t remember where) the Phillies letting Shane walk and signing someone like Angel Pagan to play CF and then using the money saved towards a Hamels deal. I would love to trade Blanton, but that would mean a full season of Kendrick who is basically a loss 75% of the time this year. Our offense just isn’t good enough to withstand his poor performances.

     
  • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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    I doubt Cole Hamels would want to go to San Diego. They’re not a contender now nor look like they will be anytime soon.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I agree Dave, Don…don’t be like that. And Chuck….Cole wants $$$$$$$$ and he is from San Diego so I was just thinking that maybe………..

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      I must be missing something here. San Diego doesn’t have a player making over $7.5 million a season. Why are they suddenly being mentioned as a destination for Hamels (besides his hometown connection)?

      I doubt that Hamels is signing with ANYONE at this point. It makes no sense. He’ll get his best deal on the open market.

       
  • Posts: 0 bryan

    A lot of guys need to either walk or be traded. Victorino, Hamels, Blanton, Brown, Mayberry and Pence IMO. Kendrick *might* break out, he’s still young and worst case, he’s a better relief than starter. I don’t see hanging on to any of the OF. Production hasn’t matched the contracts in CF/RF and LF so far has been everyone’s job to lose except Pierre. A trade for Headley would be great and its reasonable considering who we have to deal. And this team needs to go younger. I like the idea of Pagan in Center and using Hamels in a trade for a decent reliever and prospects. And letting Pence go AND Hamels might free up enough for a decent bat to boot. Hell, I’d like to see them talking to NY for Cano. Utley isn’t long for second with these knee issues and even if he is, he’s likely to have diminished power. Move him to RF and bring a contact hitter to second like Cano. Pipe dreams I know but the way it looks, Amaro isn’t doing anything.

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyD

    So i got a question…With hindsight being 20/20, Would you have taken Beltran over Pence?

    I know no one wants to hear this but what about trading Chase once he is back and healhty? He is never gonna be the second baseman he ever was, his knees are shot. So trade him to an AL team as a DH. Pending Galvis’ return but I am sure he can fill the hole until we make a move for a better player. But i do not agree with trading Blanton, we are spoiled with our pitching, Sloppy Joe is a 2nd or 3rd starter on most teams, we use him as our 4th when we are all healthy. Makes for a mean pitching rotation and with our abysmal offense we cant afford to let many runs. Keep Blanton, Trade Chase and Shane!

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      ugh, I wanted Beltran last year – but I wouldn’t say that Pence is the problem … the problem is that he can’t carry a team- he’s a very good player, but not the MVP candidate we hope for

      Utley is owed $15 M next year …. you either pay a lot of that and get some prospects, or you dump him to save the money …..you can’t get both, and I can’t see any AL that desperate that they want to gamble on him unless Chase hits .300+ and shows some power when he returns .

      Joe Blanton is not a #2 or #3 on most teams . . . . probably not even on bad teams. He’s a mid-to-back rotation pitcher, with a career 4.36 ERA, and 1.34 WHIP … he’s “average” by almost every measure… however, some teams need “anyone” due to injuries etc, so there might be a market for him that can land you a mid-level prospect – which would be worth looking into

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      I’d still take Pence, even though he’s been something of a disappointment so far. The Giants gave up quite a bit for a few months of Beltran, and when it came time to re-sign him, he decided instead to play for St. Louis. Pence was under team control, so the Phils didn’t have to find someone else who could very easily have been a bust.

       
  • Posts: 887 betasigmadeltashag

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    I have a bright Idea to right the ship play better baseball, most of the problems with this team so far this year is mental. The make stupid plays trying to do too much and their defense has been terrible. The offense has not been as bad as expected and have scored enough runs most games to win. But mental mistakes on the ;mound and in the field has crushed this team in the last three weeks.
    Saying all that if you can get Headly to come in here for a decent trade back in value, I would like to see that, Poly is going to need at least a day or two off a week, and it may allow you to trade Vic if the price is right and move JMJ to center for a time if needed.
    I also still have faith that Cole will get a deal done at the all star break.
    Trust me the optimist, that if this team can focus and not lose their heads they will be back in the wild card hunt at least the first week in August

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Part of the – who can we trade- is looking at what teams that will be BUYERS, need the positions we have available . . .

    like Thome is AL only…

    Victorino has the ability to play all 3 OF positions, which could help his value, but which playoff contenders need his CF & Speed skill set . . . . Washington jumps out but I can’t imagine they’d deal him there… and I think they have their hearts set on Michael Bourn

    If they’re smart, they’ll listen to offers on everyone except Chooch… and actively try to deal Thome, Pierre, Blanton, and Victorino

     
    • Posts: 4568 Lefty

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      Did you read that Washington was going after Bourn? I didn’t see that.

       
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        I didn’t read anyone interested in trading for anyone right now – but i’ve read a few places, the last of which was today on MLBtraderumors ….that the Nats covet Bourn if he becomes a Free Agent ……….. so me, and the Nationals both want Bourn over Vic

        I dont think the Phillies would trade Vic to Washington, and I don’t know if the Nats are going to try to become BUYERS the first time they’ve got a team staring at the postseason

        my point was, as much as me- and others might want to trade Victorino – who needs a CF ?Teams have to have a need for the players you’re trading – which is how Joe Blanton might actually have some value because all teams would like to add a #4 starter if he’s better than what they’ve got

         
  • Posts: 4568 Lefty

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    Good posting Ryan. I like Balfour but man, he’s way overpaid, looks like he has an option too. Would a guy like Broxton accept a middle relief role? I haven’t been following him, maybe he’s already doing it?

    Youkilis still interests me only because most reports have Boston willing to pay quite a bit of his salary. “The Greek God of Walks” – Tell me our lineup couldn’t use some of that. I don’t see them parting with Middlebrooks.

    If I were Padres management, I’d ask a kings ransom for Headley due to demand at the position. And as much as I like him, I’m not sure that’s a good idea for the Phils.

     
    • Posts: 38 Ryan Dinger

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      Balfour you could probably pass on the option ($350K buyout) and re-work a deal for him. Broxton actually signed with Kansas City with the intention of setting up Soria, but when Soria went down, Broxton slid into the closer’s role. So I think he’d be willing to pitch in middle relief, but if he continues pitching this way, he’ll probably command a bit more than the $4M he’s making this season, which may not make a lot of sense for the Phillies with a lot of relief pitching coming up the minor league pipe. As for Youk, I just really don’t like that move for them. He’s declining and injury-prone–the Phils have enough of those guys. He’s walked throughout his career, but his OBP is 70 points lower than Headley’s this season.

       
      • Posts: 4568 Lefty

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        The Phillies do have enough of those guys for sure, I’ve changed my mind now.

         
  • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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    Did someone above actually say that Kyle Kendrick might break out???

     
    • Posts: 4568 Lefty

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      Get some Clearasil, fast.

       
    • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

      Kendrick has been better in his last 15 starts than Tim Lincecum has been in his last 15 starts. I guess that’s a break out.

       
      • Posts: 0 brooks

        That is more a rash than anything – it wont continue.

         
  • Posts: 0 tmoney

    I’ve been advocating a trade for Chase Headley for well over a year. He’d solve 3B for the Phils for the next few years and not break the bank while doing it and let’s face it, the Phillies don’t have any 3B prospects and signing a FA is gonna be expensive. The Padres aren’t in love with Headley, as he hits far better on the road than he does at home and now they have not one, but two guys, capable of manning that spot that they need to find out more about in Forsythe and Gyorko. Plus if the Padres are at all serious about trying to resign Carlos Quentin (who might be open to it because he’s from SD) then moving Headley’s salary makes even more sense for them. In fact, SD might be swayed to include Huston Street who could provide some relief for our bullpen as a setup man. For the second half of the season these two guys are owed about $5.5 mil and the Padres would want young controllable talent back in any deals.

    First the Phils would need to clear some space on the payroll. Blanton is owed another $5mil, Polanco another $3mil, Wiggington another $2mil, Kendrick another $1.5, so if Ruben is ready to make some trades similar to what Gillick did with Abreu and take what he can get in exchange for some salary relief the Phils can clearly find some combination to make it work from the money side before they even get to a point where they’re dealing actual assets like Pence, Victorino or even Brown that have some return value that would include legit prospects. But therein lies part of the problem. The Phils might actually have to deal an OFer just to get prospects to flip in a trade.

    If I’m SD I’d ask for two of these three names, Worley, May and Brown. In that order. And then I’d probably ask for four names altogether. Remember, in this scenario the Phils are getting Headley and Street, two guys who can contribute right now and one of whom is under club control for a few years. And there will be other teams asking about both players AND the Padres would probably do better trading them in separate deals to maximize their return.

    Most of you probably think that’s too much for these guys but if I’m Ruben i’d do it. And I’d trade Victorino before losing him for nothing or overpaying him as a FA.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    tmoney – I don’t know where you came from but that was a very well reasoned and lucid post. Do you have some kind of knowledge of the SD organization?

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 1 T-Money

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      I don’t have any inside knowledge on SD. I like Headley as a player so I’ve been paying attention to his situation for a while. One other thing I should point out is that trading Victorino and Brown would leave the Phils with an outfield of Pence, Mayberry, and Pierre. Unless they get a prospect back capable of stepping in. For that reason I’d try to snag Adam Lind from the Blue Jays, dude hit 82 home runs between 2009-2011 and for whatever reason Toronto doesn’t seem to have any use for him anymore. Lind in LF. Platoon Pierre and Mayberry in CF until they can do something better. Like sign Michael Bourn in the offseason.

       
      • Posts: 2952 Chuck A.

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        Yeah, what’s up with Adam Lind anyway? It’s like he’s fallen off a cliff or something. 3 good years….2009 he was really good with a .305 avg, 35 HR and 114 RBI along with an OPS of .932. 2010 he tailed off a bit but came back last year with a decent season (.251, 26, 87, .734). At 28 he might be worth looking into…

         
  • Posts: 0 Jaron B

    Nice work here. Good thoughts. I agree with this. Ideally we’ll trade Blanton for three prospects first and then go after Chase Headley and a right-handed reliever. It will take a lot of work, but Rube is the one guy I trust to get this done. Still, I don’t think all three moves will happen but just one of those moves here would help. We can still try for a waiver deal in August and guess what, we’re no longer last in line to claim players. I hope one of the prospects we get is a slugging OF/ 1B. We have too many eggs in old baskets.

     
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    All great ideas on possible trade ideas! The only thing I would add is that we must try not to deplete our farm system anymore (Pence trade, etc.). Although I abhor the Yankees they have a nice balance of farm fed players and acquired players – take a look at them, Ruben.

    @colin: “If anybody will take Qualls, I will drive him there.” I almost pissed myself from laughing at this. I totally agree with you. Let’s make it a road trip, take him out to the middle of nowhere and leave him for dead. Lmao.

     
 
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