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Phillies Salvage a 12-Inning Win Over Giants

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sun, July 22, 2012 05:49 PM | Comments: 57
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Something to smile about for Jimmy and the Phils. (AP)

So, they won one. Cue the fireworks!

I kid, I kid. Jimmy Rollins singled in the winning run in the 12th inning to give the Phillies a 4-3 win over the Giants to avoid being swept. John Mayberry Jr. homered twice, giving him eight for the season. Chase Utley hit his first triple of the season.

Joe Blanton gave them eight pretty good innings, striking out seven, but couldn’t hold the lead in the top half of the eighth as he gave up a second home run to Nate Schierholtz to tie it at three. That sent the game, unnecessarily, to extras.

A major positive was the job done by the bullpen. Antonio Bastardo, Jeremy Horst, and Kyle Kendrick combined to throw four shutout innings, which allowed for Rollins to knock in Carlos Ruiz to win it in the 12th.

Finally, something to cheer about.

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  • Posts: 0 George

    I don’t get your comment “That sent the game, unnecessarily, to extras.” What should everyone on the team have done to prevent this, change the rules?

    If you’re going to make statements like that, you need to back them up with ironclad information. Lots of pitchers give up three runs; in fact the Phils’ “ace” gave up five yesterday. Lots of managers use their starter into the eighth when he’s been doing a good and rather efficient job. So was it the offense’s fault for not scoring more runs? Should Blanton or Bastardo have given up the game winner just so everyone could get more rest? Should Blanton, with his near 5.00 ERA have done even better than he did giving up only 3 runs?

    “Unnecessarily” my butt. When a game is tied, it’s absolutely impossible not to go into extras. Even school children know that.

     
    • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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      George – I think what Pat was trying to say is that giving up the tying HR was frustrating in that it tied up the game which eventually went into extra innings. Maybe it was the wrong choice of a word but I don’t think it’s necessary to jump all over Pat, who does a great job running this site which, may I remind you, is a place where all of us…yourself included….come to vent, share ideas, celebrate or bitch and moan.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        agreed on that chuck!

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        If he wanted to indicate frustration he should have just said, “I was frustrated,” instead of saying something that made no sense.

        Pat is generally one of the best guys on here, and I don’t think pointing out an issue in his post was in any way “jumping on him.” To me it was just a questionable statement needing comment.

        Also, if this site is for venting, sharing ideas, or bitching and moaning, why are you complaining when I do just that?

         
      • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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        It was the WAY you pointed it out, George. Sometimes you can come off as pretty condescending.

         
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Not to diminish the Phils win today that takes the internet core out of trade Rollins and fire Amaro mode for a day, but here’s something to fantasize through.

    Start of the year, the Phils were at 1 time 6-1 faves to win the World Series, best in the sport. Joke that that number was at any point since RyHo had gone down, and the strong on paper Rangers were around, there was another Vegas number that looks as comical in review, and dwarfs the Phils situation in shock content.

    You find me any book, any fan, any human that thought the A’s would lose less than 100, and we’re talking reward money comparable with the most of any missing persons. For the first time since Mulder-Hudson-Zito, they broke up their starting rotation. And while hot isn’t permanent (they leave home today to play at Toronto, then at Baltimore), at this writing, they have possession of wild card spot number 2.

    The beleaguered A’s play in what’s reputed to be the worst stadium in America. In what’s essentially a 2 team market. Those challenges make their incredible history that much more of an achievement. They lose a few years, but when they do put it together, they are really, really good. Cases in point, the Reggie years, the Bash years, and the turn of this century, when they didn’t win it all, but were there, including consecutive 100 win years.

    If you took this years A’s story, off expectations, and they were still in Philly, it’s fascinating to think how the public attention would be trending. Phillie fans grope for playoff possibilities these days. If the A’s were in the Delaware Valley, the Phillies would be fortunate to get coverage outside of the obituaries. They’ve had a few down years, but even dating back to Mr. Mack’s years, when they get in win mode, boy, do they do it. In a way, it’s pretty exciting compared to the Red-Sox-Yanks-Phillies class that grab attention much easier.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Ken – Who gives a damn about the A’s? They’re a great story. So what? Is there a lesson here for the Phillies? – I don’t see one. The A’s have to suck every few years until the prospects they traded for come into their own – only to be traded away once they play well. Billy Beane is very good at what he does. And they have been L-U-C-K-Y like no team I have ever seen with their trades.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      There’s not so much a lesson to be learned from it, but it’s interesting to me at least to see their history of trading pitchers who don’t seem past their peak like Hudson-Mulder and Zito, and again this year with the likes of Gio and Cahill compared to the desperate feeling many of us convey regarding keeping Cole. Them at least being in the hunt all of a sudden, even if they might endure more losing is kind of ironic in the assumed waning days of the Hamels crisis. And they certainly don’t lose forever, even if the strong peaks are not sustained.

      But if you want a specific lesson, admittedly mostly in hindsight, it would have been interesting to see the Phils get Cespedes and see what would have transpired.

       
  • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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    I’d say that the lesson for the Phillies after today is that, despite finding a way to win, that they’re still not gonna make the playoffs.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Ken – Beane trades them because he can’t pay them – not because he is trying to trade them a “year too early rather than a year too late”. I wanted Cespedes too.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      Dipsey i can speak for ken. but what i get out of it is what a wierd season it’s been! everthing seems upside down! look at the standings A’s , Balt, Pitt, Mets! if anybody would have told you at the beginning of the year thoses teams would be in their position in the standings you would have said along with me huhhh! i didn’t include the nats cause i knew they would be much better, you could see it coming.

      now losing an ace is another thing. just because you lose an ace or a star player doesn’t mean an org. lost their chance to compete at a high level. the A’s are doing it this year after losing one of their best pitchers! he was with that team last year and they sucked. (G gonzales) another example would be the mariners trading griffey and the big unit and they won 116 games the following year.

       
  • Posts: 0 davehist

    Blanton pitched well, the bullpen came through strongly, and John Mayberry (John Mayberry???) hit two home runs. So we celebrate. Let’s celebrate every time they win, and forget about the playoffs.

     
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    A solid effort by Sloppy Joe today. Kudos to him. I’d really enjoy a run of wins to at least end on a high note.

     
  • Posts: 0 David

    May not be noticed but I think Kendrick has put together a streak of 18 shutout innings. His last six against the Pirates (after giving up 5 runs in the 1st inning), his seven innings against the Braves and his last five innings in relief.

    I think one of the biggest problems with the Phillies right now is that Charlie doesn’t really trust anyone coming out of the bullpen. That’s why Hamels was out there against SF in the 8th inning and that’s why he left Worley in when it was clear he was losing it in the 6th inning on Friday night. What Charlie doesn’t realize is that he has to trust there guys to do the job.

    Anyway, I think Laynce Nix will be a big addition to the club.

     
    • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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      I noticed it, although I didn’t think the streak was actually that long. KK has been good out of the pen and needs to stay there. He excels in that role for some reason. That veteran presence in the bullpen is JUST what the Phillies need right now. I’ve always liked KK….in the right role…. and never could understand all the hate that’s directed at him.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      you got that dead on david! that’s why i personally would like to see cholly go! i think the mental aspect of the team has to change. and that means trading some of the vets and replacing cholly.

       
  • Posts: 44 artemis

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    The only thing Blanton proved in this game is his viability in the trade market. As for Rollins, I like the positive spirit coming back from him. After the trade deadline, I just hope and cross my fingers that we’ll get truly good relief pitchers in exchange for Blanton and Victorino.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Artemis –

    Don’t expect any relief pitchers – only 15 teams looking for them, you have to be a buyer. Best we can hope for is some prospects to help rebuild the team in 2-3-4 years. These are tough trades but Victorino is probably gone anyway so you get a little for him rather than nothing.

     
    • Posts: 44 artemis

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      Hi Bob — If we don’t get relief pitchers after the trade, then we’re done for. Unless our present bullpen continue to perform consistently good like in this game, I won’t hold my breath on that hope. But how did the Cardinals do it? Repair their bullpen, ten games under last season? Why can’t we do the same? :-(

       
      • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

        Artemis – We ARE done for. No question about that, even if we got a better bullpen, the hole they dug is simply too deep. As for the Cardinals, they really did not do anything, that bullpen that was horrible for most of the year all turned around in the playoffs.
        This year is DONE, DONE, DONE. Let’s focus on the future in these transactions.

         
  • Posts: 1110 Manny

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    After going to Saturday’s soul-crushing game, it was a little comforting to see them get a walk-off win yesterday.

    Let’s win some more. Saturday almost completely dashed my playoff hopes… but I’m sticking to what I said earlier this month. If they’re in the single-digits in games-behind in the WC race, I think they will have a decent shot of pulling it off.

     
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      “If they’re in the single-digits in games-behind in the WC race” ***by the end of July.

       
      • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

        No, they are DONE, simple math. It is not just number of games behind but how many teams. Some of those teams have to win every day. As an example the Nats can only fall so far before the Braves replace them. It’s not like we are in second place.

         
      • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

        Coo-Coo!!!

         
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Good observation from Mandy Housenick, one of the best writers on Doc’s start tonight…

    “Today’s start could be very telling for Roy Halladay.

    While he pitched well in his last start (2 ER, 5.0 IP), which was his first since coming off the disabled list where he spent more then seven weeks with a right lat strain, he threw only 80 pitches.

    Will his arm strength be there for somewhere in the 100-pitch range? Will fatigue start to set it? That’s not something you usually have to worry about with Halladay, but his last time out against the Dodgers, he did look like he was dragging, albeit just a bit, as he got deeper into the game.”

    That first time back can be pretty adrenalin driven. Not being first hand involved, I’m reasonably clueless on the subject at hand, but I’d like to see a little base building before getting back to 100 pitches. Maybe a more comfortable 80 again, 90 tops. Doc goes 80 against LA, 100 tonight, and then 115-120 over the weekend, it strikes as a little too much, too soon. Anyway, this is more than less a mandatory sweep, but the Doc can only do so much. He can do more later, if the chance exsists. For now, the Crew, Fish and Mets look semi-catchable, trade results pending, get there, and then the Bucs, Braves, Cards and Dodgers might be discussable. Wildcard wise, at least.

    It’d be nice if Doc cared about my health as much as I seem to his.

    He’ll be expected to throw more today against the Brewers, a team that has mixed success against him.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Second thought addendums…

      Doc threw 60 in his rehab, then 80 V LA. Emphasizes the push that 100 is.

      Secondly, didn’t mention stress of the work, which is more important than the PC. But for numbers sake, even 90 would be high if a Jewish mother were managing the ballclub. I’m told they are overprotective, and I believe everything I read.

       
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Ken, you might find this article interesting — another perspective on Mandy’s writing: http://www.thegoodphight.com/2012/7/23/3177024/hamels-re-signing-not-promising-says-writer-using-selective-quotations

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        Twitter led me to the article I quoted. I don’t read Mandy too often. I have glanced through her work, there wasn’t enough to keep my attention. I might be prejudiced by her reporting of Chase’s first game back last year when he didn’t tip his cap, which she essentially conveyed a real distaste for. I exercised my right to make up my own mind to fully disagree, and it’s at least a maybe as to if that’s clouded my judgement of her. But I was steered to her article, thought she had good perspective on Doc’s assignment tonight, and quoted her.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        by the way, I wrote one of the best writers, it should have been beat writers.

        Typos are my life.

         
  • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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    Manny – I love your positive approach and enthusiasm, I really do. BUT… they have 7 teams in front of them just to get to that 2nd wild card spot. And they’re 10.5 games back. Sure…it COULD happen. St Louis last year. Colorado in 2007. But how many teams did they have to climb over to get there?? I don’t know….I’m asking. But I doubt it was 7.

    I started thinking if they could leapfrog over just one team each week that by the middle of September they would be right there. But, again, a LOT has to go right and in their favor in order for that to happen. And it starts by reeling off something like 8 or 10 in a row and maybe some sort of 17 out of 20 run or whatever.

    I haven’t given up completely….cause as a fan you just can’t do that. But I have my serious doubts.

     
    • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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      Futhermore….think about this for a minute….. It’s July 23rd and the Phillies can only afford between 18 and 20 more losses if they want to even sniff the 2nd Wild Card Spot.

       
    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      Oh I have my serious doubts, too. But I’m seeing good signs lately. The lineup appears more stable… the bullpen looks like it’s finally putting it together (not too worried about Papelbon)… We’re throwing Halladay, Lee, Worley, Hamels out there in a row. We’ll need a hell lot of luck, but at least the pieces are finally in place.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Jesus. Of course Doc would only throw 80 pitches. Gotta let him build his arm strength. He’ll be fine.

    The Phillies, according to DipsyStats.com, have a 4% chance of making the playoffs this year. Given that number, I believe the proper posture for any Phils fan would be to hope that Hamels is signed, Bastardo pitches well, Chase’s knees hold up, and that RAJ can make prudent trades with a time horizon being the 2013 season and beyond. Sitting and waiting for the Phils to rip off a 23 out of 27 is unrealistic. It would be great, don’t get me wrong, but I am primping for next season.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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    According to MLBTR the Hamels negotiatons have reached a “sensitive” stage. What the hell does THAT mean??? Either he accepts or he doesn’t.

    And it’s reported that the offer is 6/127.5. Huh??? Seriously??? If Ruben thinks for one minute that that’s gonna get it done then he’s on something pretty freakin’ strong. So much for that 6/138-144 deal that was reported last week.

    I just want this over with already… one way or another.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Absolutely Chuck. I agree. At this point, if I’m Hamels, I just tell them flat out “here’s what its gonna take”. What are they negotiating over? 6/144 gets it done I think. Can someone tell me, over the span of six years, what the practical effect of the difference between 127.5 (.5 haha thats funny) and 144 is? You get six more years of selling Hamels merchandise which will alone make up for the difference. Don’t make Cole mad.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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      15-16 million dollars over six years on a contract of 130-145 million is the equivalent of nickeling and diming. Ridiculous. And yet I’m not surprised. Sometimes the Phillies can come off as being a bit “cheap.” It’s weird when you think of what they gave Howard, Lee and Papelbon. I don’t get it.

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        Yes, but wouldn’t you love to have those kinds of nickles, and those kinds of dimes?

         
  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Halladay vs our old friend Randy Wolf tonight.
    Would seem like a probable Phillies win.
    Except Roy is on a short leash ( which means more bullpen) and Wolf is indeed a left hander.

    I am 50/50 on Cole. Sure Id like to have him back but I dont think he can make this same group win. He couldnt do it this year. Why would he be able to next year?

    I am getting the vibe that the Phillies plan to keep the same group. Howard Rollins Utley Ruiz Pence Victorino Lee Halladay Hamels Papleban.

    I know some of you think that they can bring all the same guys back next year and it will be all better. I dont see how. 33 year old players dont get better.

    I will say that if a new manager came in. Who wasnt beholden to past performance or contract status there could be a real chance with the same group. A guy who isnt their buddy and worried about their feelings. Will sit anyone if its a bad match up etc etc.

    But that wont happen I dont think.

    I actually think this group has a better chance to come back this year. at 4%
    Than bringing the whole group back next year has. Which I put at less than 2%.

    If they are going to come back though it starts tonihgt with Roy and they need to go from there.
    Its 1 in 25 but thats better than 1 in 50.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    AFW – I don’t think anyone believes that the Phils are gonna drag back the same core and hope to win. LF, CF, and 3B will have fresh faces. Maybe RF, too. You bring Cole back and inject some OBP, defense, and speed and I think you’ll have a contending club. They will get some bullpen arms. I believe that this lineup will be profoundly different than this years lineup.

    If the team is going to rely on more speed in their offense and to try to be able to score runs without the HR than they will need a new manager. Its not Charlie’s fault. Its just not his bag.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    @ Dipsy hope you are right.

    Maybe its just the broadcasters dribble lol

    And youve been on somewhat the same page as me for awhile.

    Just to throw this out there. In 2011 ( I wont get into 2012 as Howards only 12 ABs but its bad)

    Mayberry slugged .595 with a .953 OPS in 111 ABs vs left handed pitching.
    Howard slugged .347 with a .634 OPS in 170 ABs

    Why would Howard start at first in the playoffs ( and hit 4th) and you sit Mayberry vs a lefty?

    Not even singling out Howard at all or trying to make this about him. It is not.

    Its a fundamental thing. For some reason the Phillies seem unable to ever do anything to their marquee players except just putting them in the same situations. No matter how poor the match up is.
    I just dont know that any team could ever win long term with that mindset.

    If this one thing would change ( the attitude of entitlement to the marquee players). I think it would be more productive to the franchise than signing any player could be.
    2013 Phillies a new manager and a new attitude? Yes we can.

     
  • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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    AFW – You bring back the same “core” (maybe Shane is gone) with a revamped bullpen and if your #3 and #4 hitters are healthier than they are this year then I think you can’t help but be better. Will they contend? Maybe…maybe not.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Charlie’s thing is continuity. Same players in the same role night after night. Comfort level and set expectations breed effectiveness. It can work but it ALWAYS gets stale eventually. Tony LaRussa yells at people, moves people around, busts players to the minors and keeps guys on their toes. That style works too. You always follow a Charlie with a LaRussa and vice versa.

    Would like to have Headley but apparently people are now confusing him with Wade Boggs. Nice player – I’ll give ya something for him – but lets not get carried with the guy. If you can sign a banger or two you could actually bring Polanco back at 2m. He can play 3B or 2B. Not crazy about it but he’d be cheap.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Im with the maybe not Chuck A. I was a firm believer in the “core” of players even when people where ranting about change needed. I believed and still do to a extent the “core” was a group of winners, that more often a not would find a way to win. They might of not of been perfect, but overall they where great. However, as most things in life i think its run its course. Something has to change and probably a few somethings as well. For whatever reason that some of the elite posters can discuss, it appears the formula isnt working anymore. It happens and i think its happened here this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Dempster to Braves for Julio Teheran (who’s gonna be awesome) and another top 15 prospect who they’re not sure of yet. Dempster FA at end of year and owed $5.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Strike that. Thats completely wrong. Dempster did go to Braves though. Don’t know who Cubs got.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Dempster is good.
    Braves are trying to win. And see the vulnerability of the Nats.

    To me I see the Braves as more vulnerable. Id bet on the Nats and theyve never been here before. The first time is always the toughest.

    Werth got his first rehab start last night. Back soon.

     
  • Posts: 1110 Manny

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    If the Braves give up a prospect like Teheran for three months of Ryan Dempster… then we should all be happy about it. That’d be dumb.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    According to Dempsters twitter no deal is done.

    https://twitter.com/RyanDempsterFDN

    And yea if they are giving up a top prospect for 3 month rental you would think they want to extend the contract or give up less.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I just want effin Hamels signed. This is causing an inordinate amount of stress in my life. I’ve been screwing up at work and I hit my wife this morning (just in the stomach) and I’ve beeb battling a good deal of road rage. Cmon already!

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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    Yeah, Dipsy…I know what you mean. This is ri-fkn-diculous. I just don’t get what the big holdup is. Sounds to me like he has to “think” about it or something. Uhhhh….Cole….excuse me…. but you’ve had MONTHS now to think about it.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Maybe he hasn’t had months to think about it. It’s possible no realistic offers were on the table until a week or two ago.

      It’s also possible that the dollars have been worked out and that all the “thinking” is in the details.

      It’s also possible that Hamels’ agent is screwing around trying to get Hamels’ to demand more (he’d get a bigger cut).

      It’s possible, too, that some of the thinking is Amaro wondering if he’s committing to too much money or too many years (It’s still not known if Amaro actually did pull the Madson offer off the table, as claimed by some).

      In other words, you can’t just assume that it’s Hamels’ who is responsible for any delays.

       
      • Posts: 2886 Chuck A.

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        George – I’m not gonna put a whole lot into a rebuttal here. I’m tired and it’s early. But the one thing I will say is that you know what I meant by my comment. OF COURSE, I realize that maybe no realistic, formal offer was out there months ago. But I think 99% of the people on here knew what I was trying to say…..that for months now Cole Hamels has had time to think about free agency, his worth, Matt Cain’s contract, Johan Santana’s contract (which has come up as a point of comparison as well), whether he wants to stay in Philly, etc., etc., etc. Can you please just stop trying to pick everyone’s comments apart all the time?? Frankly, it’s getting old.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        Chuck A: EVERYBODY here picks comments apart, including yourself. You’re also making a huge assumption in saying that 99% of the people here knew what you were trying to say. And you’re putting thoughts in my head when you say that I “know what I meant by my comment.” If I knew what you meant, I wouldn’t have responded; if you’d actually stated what you meant clearly and fairly, and without the quasi-swearing, I wouldn’t have responded.

        You can complain all you want about the length of negotiations. But I’d bet that if you were thinking for months about your job status for the next six years, and someone finally offered you something, that you’d probably have to wait a while to consider all the potential ramifications. I know I would; to do otherwise could potentially trap me in a situation I might not like.

        You might also complain that Hamels has had enough time to think about his status and his worth. But time also has a way of changing things. The Phils didn’t stink when free agency first came up, and Cain hadn’t signed his extension yet. The situation has changed dramatically since the off season.

         
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