Phils Still Trying on Hamels; Talk Victorino with Dodgers

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, July 23, 2012 07:07 PM | Comments: 14
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Will we be kissing Vic goodbye soon? (ESPN)

-Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com says the Phillies are still actively trying to sign Cole Hamels as we’re just over seven days from the July 31 trade deadline.

“They’re trying — actively trying,” a person with knowledge of the situation told CSNPhilly.com on Monday afternoon. “They’re making offers.”

I’ve never doubted that the Phillies have actively been trying to consummate a deal with Hamels recently, but what if Hamels is the one relenting? What’s stopping him from getting to free agency and perhaps scoring himself $10-20 million more? It’s perverse to think about it, especially when the dollar amount is that exorbitant; however, it could matter to Hamels. He has talked before about his desire to see what the free agent market holds for him, so why not get there?

I still think the chances are greater than 50/50 that Hamels does re-sign with the Phillies now, but how much more is up for debate. I’ll go 60/40.

NOTE: If he does not, Texas could try very hard to pry Hamels away. They’ve lost starter Colby Lewis for the season and the Rangers know they need a top of the line starter, especially with Roy Oswalt again experiencing back issues. Mike Olt, their prized third base prospect, is quite intriguing.

-According to Jon Paul Morosi from Fox Sports, the Phillies and Dodgers have had discussions about Shane Victorino. Morosi tweeted there is “no momentum toward a deal” right now. Not sure this is a perfect match as the Dodgers don’t have a Top 10 position player prospect at a position of need for the Phillies. That said, Victorino is unlikely to command much more than *possibly* one Top-1o from some teams farm system.

-Speaking of Victorino, the Yankees may have thrown a wrench into things. By trading for Ichiro, the Yankees are now one less team that is in need of an outfielder. Perhaps the Pirates are a team that will step forward in the next few days for the services of Victorino.

I still do believe he will be dealt and that it’s the right move. With the season going nowhere fast, it’s best to try and recoup something for him if you’re not re-signing him.

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  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I believe that the Phillies will NOT resign Hamels. At this point, I would think that one has to believe that the Phils have Hamels bottom line number. And if they don’t then shame on both sides. If they do, its just a matter of saying “OK”…..not trying to inch closer with each offer hoping that Hamels will come down. I hope I’m wrong.

    The Dipsy

  • Posts: 0 terri

    trade shane and you wiill confirm you are out of your minds. WTH

  • Posts: 0 Cs

    We aren’t going to get alot for Shane but it has to be done.

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    I don’t know about the talks for Vic from the Dodgers perspective. I’m doing some mind reading here, which is dangerous, but my take on the new LA ownership is they are serious about winning, and willing to pay a price for impact type players. A rent a player having an off year (albeit with an admittedly decent chance to re-sign Vic, who might rejuvinate) just doesn’t sound like a Stan Kasten type move. I might not be so inclined to say that if an experienced corner outfielder, and a pretty solid one like Josh Willingham wasn’t available.

    It’s really too bad from a Dodger perspective that the Red Sox continue to fake their way through the AL wildcard race. I think he’d be a rent a player also, but I could see Cody Ross being an outstanding fit with that ballclub.

  • Posts: 0 Kim

    Amaro will be making a huge mistake if he doesn’t resign Shane. Honestly, I’d rather have Shane than Cole. Seriously, it will be a HUGE mistake…

  • Posts: 0 Pure Frustration

    Trade Halladay and Lee. Both have heavy, heavy contracts. Trade Hamels, as well. Go for 100 losses this season. What the Hell !!!!

  • Posts: 0 larry

    Please listen to reason.

    Anyone who chases after bigger contracts and bigger money have lost their heart for the game. Remember the 1980 Phillies? Back then it was about having heart and love for the game. Carlton could have been offered bigger contracts from other teams, but there is something called loyalty. How does someone who is a home grown ‘hero’ become money grubbing snooty bigots?

    This smells of the same stench of Lebron James…except he’s not renting a whole hour off ESPN…

  • Posts: 0 Alex

    Gotta trade Pence. Love his attitude but the guy is a huge liability in the field.

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  • Posts: 0 Dylan

    Pence to pittsburgH

  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Cmon, Cole! Once your offered over a hundred million ( which on a personal note, I find ridiculous as these

  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    players aren’t fInding a cure for cancer), does it really make sense to quibble over another million or six? People like Ted Williams, who played for the love of the game, are spinning in their graves. This is getting ridiculous.

  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    I don’t know why my comment was sPlit or truncated. Sorry PN readers.

  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Agreed. While the rest of us slave away at our jobs and struggle to pay our mortgages and health care costs, these guys bicker and argue over millions. Good riddance Cole and anyone else who wants to leave. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter.

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