Report: Phillies Asking Teams About Hamels
Posted by Pat Gallen, Sun, July 01, 2012 04:11 PM | Comments: 69
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What can the Phillies get for Hamels? (AP)
The Jim Thome trade was a minor one, but also could be the start of an overhaul. This could be the end of the Phillies as you know them.
According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, and backed-up by Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com, the Phillies are calling teams asking about their interest in newly-minted all-star Cole Hamels. According to a tweet from Rosenthal, they’re asking for a major haul in return.
Now, it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll trade Hamels, but they have to do their homework here when it comes to who can afford him and what they could possibly get in return.
By not locking him up earlier, the Phillies now run a real risk of losing Hamels and getting nothing in return.
Posts: 442 Bruce
Nothing like a few rumors to start something here. ;-)
Fans should know that any reports from word of mouth or second hand sources reported by writers even as qualified as Heyman and Rosenthal are exactly that..rumors. They have no direct link to the Phillies front office for such comments.
Trading Hamels is avoidable. I can see the possibility of trades involving Victorino and/or Blanton as salary dumps to free up some cash to sign Hamels to a lucrative contract. To trade Hamels makes no sense as he is still relatively young for a long term success with the Phillies and if needed, to rebuild their team around him.
Posted: 04:37 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
The Phillies simply will not pay him what he wants. I half don’t blame them. Its gonna be a sh!tload of money for a sh!tload of years.
The Dipsy
Posted: 04:43 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 Mazinman
As the season has been developing I have begun to change my mind on trading Cole Hamels. The ugly truth of the team is that there are some serious issues with the team. They are playing ugly and without heart and at this point I am not sure if even getting Howard and Halladay back will be enough. I mean, before Utley came back all I heard was how excited everyone in the team was about getting him back and how he would be a good boost of energy for the team. 5 games later they still have not won their first with him back. I would like to think we could make a run at a Wild Card spot at least but the Phillies have not showed me anything to warrant that optimism.
With the above said, the Phils are in need of some changes and fixes. If we resign Hamels the Phillies won’t have the money to make those moves. If we want to be competitive next year we need a fresh influx of talent and enough cap flexibility to see about getting some help through free agency. I don’t enjoy having this opinion as I would love to see Cole stick around but I don’t see how we can resign him and return to being competitive at the same time.
Posted: 05:17 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 bacardipr
Well i understand if they cant afford him. I still think this is the one guy you can build around. We dump Blanton, 1 more year of Utely in there. I still think there is room to sign the guy even if means going over the cap for a year. With Utley, Rollins, Howard and Ruiz we can only shake up the team so much. Since basically half of them will be back regardless. The one jewel of the team you basically letting go doesnt make sense.
Posted: 06:27 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 SavannahPhilliesPhan
According to rumor he is asking for 7 years and $161 mil… the phillies are not buying it! His managment doesn’t want to deal for an interim short period. So they made the decision to sell him. I think Blanton is the next to go along with Victorino.
Posted: 07:14 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
No way Savannahblah blah. Don’t know where you heard that from.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:17 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 SavannahPhilliesPhan
It was in the first article I read by Jon Heyman dated 7/1/12. It said he was offered a deal for 5 years 85 mil but is looking for 7 years at 161 mil on the order of what was given to CC Sabathia. Read it yourself.
Posted: 04:29 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Don M
so the two sides are only 2 years, and $80 Million apart…..
Posted: 11:05 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder
If the Phillies make Hamels a qualifying offer after the season (a
guaranteed one-year contract with a salary equal to the average salary of the
125-highest paid Players from the prior season) they’ll receive the first round pick of the team that signs him as well as a sandwich pick between the first and second round. That’s not really “losing Hamels and getting nothing in return”.
BTW, under the new CBA a team receiving Hamels in a trade during the season will not get this compensation. This will be a factor in what they’d be willing to give up in a deadline deal.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/2011_CBA.pdf
Posted: 07:38 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 c schreiber
It is getting nothing in return. They’ll only draft a HS pitcher as in recent years. I don’t think the Phils haqve ever heard of College ballplayers.
Posted: 02:28 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
Its kinda nothing.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:47 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder
The Seattle Three has worked out so well that it’s logical to speculate that RAJ will make an even better deal with far less leverage this time around.
Posted: 12:06 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 George
Rumors, rumors, rumors.
Any front office with a functioning brain cell always surveys the market on every player they’ve got at some time during the year. Sometimes it’s just to gauge how much other teams are willing to pay so that they can make their own sensible offer to that player.
I read nothing into any of these rumors.
Posted: 08:09 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf
When you look at some of the current contracts. 7 years 161 million?
Why not 262 million?
You have a moron for a GM. I mean where did Howard negotiate back or Rollins?
Did they give back? If so what?
Anyway can someone here email me when Charlie or Omar Amaro are fired?
Because until that happens we are treading water.
BTW vote for Chooch.
This is by far the worst year of his career. He would tell you himself.
He is in last place.
But somehow somwhere these are things that matter to this team. And the fans and this site.
Its actually a disgrace.
Whats the latest on Howard is he whiping himself yet or is there a royal whiper?
Ill go with his name being Donald.
Posted: 08:23 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 Pat
Just what I said yesterday. Goodbye, Thome! Next, goodbye, Hamels! Management wants a quick fix without thinking things out. Why don’t they get rid out all the stars and get rookies. See how long it takes to lose all those loyal fans who bought tickets to make all those sell outs!
Posted: 09:25 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 Ryne Duren
first off to trade hamelswould be devastating to all! if they do, then they have to go all out! i don’t see them doing that. what i do see is vic, blanton, KK going.and this winter possibly some others. and a retooling sort of. but if they do trade hamels then it better be for that olt stud from texas and a couple more of their best prospects! they are in the position that the phils were in the last few years. their window is open and they want to capitalise on it! iso if we do trade him it’s got to be for olt and others, that guy has been downright blasting bombs all through the rangers system on his way up! whats that old saying? i’ll take an everyday player who is a star over a guy who is a star every five days.
Posted: 09:44 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 George
So would I.
But I’d also take a really good pitcher like Hamels over an average position player and some prospects, which is about all he’d bring as a rental player, if even that. There have been a boatload of prospects who were so-called “studs” who’ve only become fringe players in the majors. Some haven’t made it at all.
Posted: 09:05 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Joey Spagna
They gotta get what they can now. It’s should be a boatload. Anything less would be a loss.
Posted: 09:49 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 psujoe
if, and it’s a big if the Phils are going to trade Hamels, here’s what it takes or I settle for the picks.
A 3 or 4 team deal with Hamels going to a contender(the Dodgers) and prospects of choice going to a non contender for a young 3b, LF or CF that will start for the Phils. If you’re getting a CF then work Victorino into the deal and add another team. If you’re getting a 3b then work Polanco into the deal.
There’s no sense in trading hamels if you don’t upgrade the ML starting roster.
Now, if it’s me, I try to sign Cole and trade Vic and Pierre with some prospects to gain a young kid that can make the 25 man roster. Screw helping the system except for guys like Thome that would yield nothing else.
Posted: 10:01 PM on July 1, 2012
Posts: 0 toddfromfairmount
i dont know if i want andrew from w to be banned from this site or just to continue to laugh my ass off reading his drunk/retarded posts. keep goin’ afw.
Posted: 12:35 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 3475 Lefty
I think they will sign Hamels. There is just too much riding on it.
I just really think someone will come off whatever hard line they were on, and then real negotiations will start, and then they’ll sign him. RA Jr. has to feel like he is skating on thin ice right now. If they don’t sign Cole it would be a PR disaster and RA Jr. could be fired, and he knows it.
Posted: 06:47 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 2533 Chuck A.
He could be fired…and I’ve gone on record as saying that he SHOULD be fired. I think he misread his market (go to http://www.975thefanatic.com and listen to the interview Missanelli had with him a month or two ago). He basically said he couldn’t understand why Cole should be paid as much as a Cy Young award winner (obviously referring to Cliff).
I just think.. granted, I don’t know…but just have a feeling that this all could have been avoided. And I think a deal gets done as well. And expensive one but, nonetheless, it gets done.
Posted: 07:33 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
Lefty, what makes you think they will resign Hamels. The only scenario I can see where that happens is if the “ownership group” gives Ruben the aok to smash thru the cap. Thats if Ruben even wants to sign him.
The Dipsy
Posted: 07:28 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Jeff
Cole has a world series ring and MVP. Lee does not.
Posted: 08:14 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 1053 Manny
Man, this is getting UGLY. I’d personally stop watching a lot of this year’s games if we trade him.
Posted: 10:16 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 2533 Chuck A.
I don’t think I’d stop watching games but I’ll be really pissed off.
Posted: 10:47 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
Ruben will not get fired for not signing Hamels because the very reason Hamels will not be signed is because the people that decide Amaro’s fate won’t give him the money. Circular enough for ya? ;/
The Dipsy
Posted: 11:19 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder
That’s your theory, not proven to be fact. We don’t know what ownership has told RAJ regarding payroll.
RAJ will be fired when the fans stop caring about the team enough to negatively effect revenue. It’s that simple. Judging by what I’ve seen at the games I’ve been to, that process is beginning.
Posted: 12:41 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Don M
just signing Hamels doesnt put them over the cap next year … Blanton and Vic both coming off the books frees a lot of money.
I still think you need to trade Vic at the deadline, and keep Hamels … if they trade Hamels, he’s gone for good…
Posted: 11:57 AM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder
“Only 12 starting pitchers in baseball history have had a better Adjusted ERA (or ERA+) and as many strikeouts than Hamels through their first seven seasons. Their names: Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove, Tom Seaver, Roger Clemens, Grover Cleveland Alexander, Christy Mathewson, Bob Feller, Juan Marichal, Bert Blyleven, Felix Hernandez, Ferguson Jenkins, and Don Drysdale. Ten are Hall of Famers. The other two are not yet eligible.”
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120701_Inside_the_Phillies__Phillies_must_sign_Hamels_before_trade_deadline.html
Posted: 12:37 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 3475 Lefty
Dipsy, I think I see the vicious circle quite clearly. The 44,000 that buy tickets to the park every night ( if you believe that many actually do) , clearly want their homegrown WS MVP hero to remain with the club.
So. The club resigns him, and the pretend 44,000 are happy. The club doesn’t and maybe there is so much blue they can’t even pretend anymore. That’s the circle.
Amaro’s fate is not dependent on it, and it wasn’t fair for me to say it that way. So when I said;
“RA Jr. has to feel like he is skating on thin ice right now. If they don’t sign Cole it would be a PR disaster and RA Jr. could be fired, and he knows it.” In all honesty I have no idea if he’s actually thinking that, or if the club is. My bad.
Posted: 12:42 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf
I remember Jerry Seinfeld once said of the audience. That they are like children. You cant give them everything they want. Because in the end it doesnt make the child happy.
Well the phillies have given the fans everything they want and it doesnt work out.
Certainly isnt and wont here. BTW you all get that next year is bleaker?
Or you dont? lol
As Ive been saying for 3 years the cycle continues down. Win WS lose WS lose NLCS lose NLDS dont make playoffs.
Vicious cycle then you have a GM who is himself a child like GM giving his friends everything they want cause hes their buddy.
Anyway everyone enjoy the fact that they wont lose today.
That I am going to lose my better record Phillies-Mets bet in 2012 is a complete utter disgrace.
Posted: 01:25 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 770 betasigmadeltashag
would any one out there take on winnless Cliff Lee’s contract and give anything back. because I would trade Cliff and keep Cole, and I know he is hurt and it would be sacrilige (spelled wrong) but I would trade Doc before I would trade Cole.
I get the Phillies are playing bad baseball this year and it sucks, but sometimes good times have bad years. I think you may be able to get something for Vic, but you will need to find a 3b and a CF if you do that. I really think losing Cole would set this team back for years to come, Lee is not happy and shows it, All the work Doc has put in may be catching up with him. I do not know but if I iwas starting a rotation right now Cole is the one I would take over the next five years. I too would question watching all the games I do because I would be pissed if Cole was gone. But I would still watch but I would be watching what if
Posted: 01:32 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf
Getting anything back but salary relief for most of this roster simply is not happening.
Id move lee to the Yankees today if theyd take on the contract.
question is will they?
I thnk thats possible maybe the red sox too.
They might want yuouo take one of thier stiffs back though which is not acceptable.
Posted: 01:46 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 2533 Chuck A.
I’m sure Cliff Lee has some kind of no trade clause that specifies no trade to the Yankees. Remember, his wife didn’t want him to go there and he turned them down to come here.
Posted: 02:02 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf
Good catch chuck A.
That hampers alot as only a very small handul of teams can pay that much.
Red sox maybe.
Texas?
Halladay may in the end the guy to deal. IMO he is still one of the best.
Whereas even just 1 year ago he was THE best.
sucks getting older
Posted: 03:41 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks
An ageing team means that injuries are inevitable. While Hamels is now relatively young he will want 6-7 years. That locks up the Phillies for a long time with three $20+million pitchers. Which leaves no montey for other players. I alway thought we would pay for the Lee deal and now we have an expensive pitcher who is having a bad year. We can’t unload him but should we double (or triple down?). No, I don’t think so. Amaro needs some room to maneuver and that means getting a good third basemen and LF and some relievers. Hamels pitches only every five days. You need 25 for the team.
I am sure they made him an offer but he wants to see FA. Someone will give him the money but it should not be the Phils.
Posted: 03:46 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
Missinelli said today that he knows “for a fact” that the Phils have not made Cole a formal offer. If that’s true, then it would logically follow that RAJ is waiting for Cole to hit FA, as Bob in Bucks has alluded to. Or, the lack of offer materialized in RAJ saying to Cole “Dude, we can’t even get close to that”. If Ruben IS waiting for Cole to hit FA and then try to do a Joe Banner on him, then that’s just stoo-pid. And disrespectful. My guess is that Ruben just can’t pay him so he’s not even bothering.
The Dipsy
Posted: 04:38 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 2533 Chuck A.
This sucks.
Posted: 04:47 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 George
Missinelli needs to explain what he means by “formal.” In my mind, a formal offer is one which is actually on paper; anything else is just talk, which is what negotiations are for until that formal offer is made. Also, how in heck does Missinelli know “for a fact?” Is he privy to the negotiations? Has he been informed of this “fact” by Hamels’ agent? Has he sneaked into Amaro’s office and read all the private correspondence?
News writers make me puke in a lot of cases. Many times they’re worse than old women leaning over the back fence gossiping about the town trollop; worse than first graders yammering about so-and-so doing such-and-such to you-know-who.
Posted: 06:51 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Psujoe
Just offer Cole 6/$148. That’s $23 a year with a $10 buyout on the 7th year team option. You could throw in the option for cole to rebut FA after 3 or 4 years if he can get more. I think that’s more than reasonable
Posted: 05:29 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Psujoe
If Cole turns that down you have to work a mtiteam deal to get a young starting 3b, LF or cf. prospects on a team yeying to win now makes no sense.
Posted: 05:31 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 2533 Chuck A.
Mike Olt of the Rangers.
Posted: 05:39 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 psujoe
If they can’t sign Hamels Olt would be about as good as you could expect back.
Posted: 08:21 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 3475 Lefty
I’m with you, he sure looks like a stud building block for third base the next 6 or 7 years pending when they think he’s ready. But, IMO if they get Olt, they won’t get a major haul of 3 or 4 players, maybe one more low to middling prospect at most.
Posted: 08:31 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 psujoe
Olt looks like he would be a pretty quick callup. He’s just blocked by Beltre. I’d rather get one super prospect and a midling prospect than 5 flip a coin prospects. With Chase’s declining 3B power would be huge.
Posted: 08:40 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 28 landshark
Lets face it…The Phillies have ZERO chance of making the playoffs this season. Its a complete and total bust. They have a better chance of trading Hamels for some decent prospects, and try to re-sign him in the off season (as long as Hamels is okay with that) and if the team who signs him doesn’t sign him to an extension. Im not sure how that’s going to play out, but if they pull that off Amaro is a genius.
Posted: 05:55 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 George
He wouldn’t be a genius, he’d just be really, really, really, really, lucky. Hoping to re-sign anyone after trading him is like playing with someone else’s loaded dice. And by loaded, I mean loaded with explosives.
Posted: 06:55 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 28 landshark
Lucky and Genius sounds a lot nicer together lol
Posted: 07:53 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 3475 Lefty
Missanelli is an idiot who knows NOTHING.
He wrote an article back in February stating-
“Boggs, {Cole Hamels Agent} has already let word out that if the Phillies don’t sign his client to a long-term deal by the end of spring training, there will be no more negotiations and the slender lefty will test the free-agent market.”
As we all know, Cole had a press conference before the season and denied that negotiations would be cut off in season, and Mikey Miss wrote this piece after that. No credibility in my mind, none.
Here’s a link to several Missanelli “misses”.
http://talksportsphilly.com/2012/02/missanelli-strikes-out-again/
Posted: 07:30 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Don M
For what its worth… I don’t believe a word that Amaro or Hamels say publicly about their negotiations… they are both using the media to their advantage
Missinelli (and Eskin, and whoever), talk to enough guys “in the know” on a regular basis, that they get the real scoop more often than not . . . . The beat writers that talk to the GM and Scouts on a regular basis have a lot of “off the record” info that obviously doesn’t get shared with everyone …. There must be something to the effect that Hamels wasn’t too interested in signing an in-season extension since there is little indication that any progress has been made ….at this point, Hamels is 3 months away from Free Agency – likely a bigger payday than anything the Phillies would offer, and the ability to choose his own club … I would be surprised if Hamels signs an extension at this point too
I think he’s using Free Agency as a negotiating tactic, to get more money form the Phillies . . . . saying if the Yankess, Dodgers, Red Sox, offered me THIS much – I want so make me a similar offer
Posted: 07:53 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 3475 Lefty
They know as much as we do. And when challenged on it, like Johnny G did in the link I put in the comment above- Look how “professionally” he handled it.
http://talksportsphilly.com/2012/02/missanelli-youre-just-a-fan-thats-a-violation/
He knows no more than you or I do. But I will give him credit, sensationalizing is his job, and he does that well.
Posted: 01:05 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 3475 Lefty
Oh and Don, if you don’t have time to read the whole thing, here’s the important part, right at the end.
Update 2: I (meaning Johnny G) received a call at 5:30 pm from Hamels’ Agent, John Boggs. I spoke with Boggs for about 10 minutes total and he was an absolute gentleman. Boggs made it very clear that there has been NO deadline set as far as negotiations are concerned, and that even if Hamels hits free agency, the Phillies will get the first shot at him. He stressed that he has never told anyone with the Phillies or anyone in the media that there is a Spring Training deadline in place for the negotiations. Mike Missanelli is completely fabricating stories. Unbelievable
Posted: 01:16 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 770 betasigmadeltashag
I do not feel this way but if the Phillies feel they have not shot at the playoff this year you trade everyone except Cole Hamels, Vic, Blanton, Lee even Doc to get your players to fill in around him, I know hardly any one wants to take Lee and his Contract, but there might be someone, he seems disinterested and just plain pissed that he does not have a win. I think he would go anywhere to get out of here right now.
I also know it is probably no allowed to say to Cole “Listen Bro, here is the deal we are going to sign you to a seven year deal for what ever money when you hit FA next winter, but we want to get some pieces to fit around you so we are going to trade you now, and try from the beginging again next year with you as our ace” Great Idea not happening.
I think with this team can win, this year and make a wild card run. But like I said before sometimes good teams have bad years, the thing is not to panic, ride it out and look long term and be in contention 5 out of every six years is real good, as long as you do not go into a drought like in the after they lost to the Blue Jays, you need to come back and compete and win next year, and I do not care what AFW says this core of JRoll, Chase, Chooch and Howard will still be good enough next year to comete and win if you still have Cole on the mound
Posted: 09:55 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 531 schmenkman
One scout’s opinion of catcher Gabriel Lino acquired in the Thome trade:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/jim-thome-trade-gabriel-lino-scouting-report-philadelphia-phillies-baltimore-orioles/
Posted: 10:27 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 psujoe
I actually like the Thome trade. I just hope the pierre, Vic trades help stock the cubbards. If Hamels is traded it needs to be for gaurenteed major leagures. restock the minors with guys we know aren’t coming back.
Posted: 11:39 PM on July 2, 2012
Posts: 0 Don M
Pierre, like Thome, has little trade value- because he has a limited skill set. . . . I would move him and hope to recoup a AA-reliever, etc… but I dont think he’ll get you much more
Victorino has the strong possibility of being the best all around player on the market (Carlos Quentin?, Carlos Lee?) … Vic’s ability to play any OF position, and basically hit anywhere in a lineup – means that he’s a fit on almost any team ….. He’s not a superstar, but he’s a solid player who should be able to get you a legit prospect in return.
I don’t know if Hamels really has the value that the Phillies think he does – as a rental, with a team acquiring him not getting draft picks if they dont resign him (new this year), the best hope for the Phillies is a bidding war that includes the Rangers, Rays, Orioles – teams with deep farms ….and we’d also have to hope that the Brewers don’t put Grienke out there – because in the world of Supply and Demand – the less ACE pitchers there are available, the more they’re worth
Posted: 07:59 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 Psujoe
I wouldn’t expect much for Pierre, but If the Phil’s are out of it a AA reliever is better than nothing.
Posted: 09:41 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 George
Pierre may have a limited skill set, but he’s hitting .300, stolen almost twenty bases, is paid peanuts, and, unlike Thome, can actually play defense. He may be worth more than we think, especially if a contending team loses a player to the DL.
Posted: 11:32 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 Don M
It almost seems like Lino could be a potential 3b candidate…? ……. If he’s already 6’3″, and 200 lbs (though they suspect closer to 220-230lbs), “arm strength is his best asset” …”Impressive power potential and bat speed”
Posted: 08:12 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 George
I was impressed by the Lino footage, although I’d like to see him on defense.
Two things I noted: His swing is more controlled in batting practice, but it’s still smooth when actually hitting. He also runs pretty well.
Posted: 11:36 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 Don M
Two weeks ago I said I’d actively shop Thome, Pierre, Vic, and Wigginton …. just to see what you can get in return.
I would not trade Cole Hamels, unless they really dont think he’s going to sign – and only they know that …. so really I guess I have no opinion on if they should or not . .
It’s getting to the point where I’d almost see if you jump on Josh Hamilton -thinking he’d have a more direct impact on each game than Hamels …. Hamilton, Howard, Pence batting 3-4-5 would scare people (except a few folks on here).
Posted: 10:01 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 George
Hamilton is a huge bat. He’ll be a free agent, though, and so he’d be a 3 month rental and of limited value to a team mired in last place. To re-sign him could be more expensive than re-signing Hamels.
Posted: 11:42 AM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 schmenkman
I think Don meant that even for the same money, he’d rather have an everyday player than an every-fifth day pitcher.
I’m not as concerned about his baggage as much as his injury history, and the fact that he’s already 31. He has played 89, 133, and 121 games the past 3 years.
Posted: 01:03 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder
They’ll get one top prospect for Hamels if they trade him. It won’t be a package. It will be similar to the Beltran deal last season. The time for receiving a package of players was last year at this time.
Posted: 12:03 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 2533 Chuck A.
I think Don’s idea was to try to sign Hamilton in the off-season…not at the deadline in 3 weeks. Plus, there is NO WAY Texas trades him anyway with them firmly in contention.
I’m not sure id I’d want Hamilton. His power and production…yes. But his personal baggage…no. I know he’s trying to stay clean but can the Phillies trust that and take a chance???
Posted: 12:14 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 George
Be that as it may, Hamilton will still likely be more expensive than Hamels. If the Phils can’t afford Hamels, they certainly can’t afford Hamilton, either.
His “personal baggage” may not be that big a deal (he’s not Milton Bradley) but I don’t like his injury history or his age. Some team will still bid ridiculous amounts to get him, though. I just hope it’s not the Phils; they have enough guys breaking down already.
Posted: 02:50 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 220 The Dipsy
I believe that the Phillies will get more than one prospect for Hamels. Unlike Beltran, Hamels will change the balance of power in a divison and maybe in a league. That makes him more valuable than Beltran was last year. Don’t listen to that Bob Ford gobbley gook. Beltran was an older, oft injured, rental bat. Good player….but not close to the impact guy Hamels would be. I say the get a haul. IMHO.
The Dipsy
Posted: 12:48 PM on July 3, 2012
Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf
@ beta
Thanks for the Mention! As I was not even around for awhile here.
Just to clue you in Howard, Jimmy , Rollins were not good enough the last 2 years. Not even close. You lost at home in a game with Halladay going and you scored a total of 0 runs.
BUT
I digress.
The dream scenarios will be what they will be.
You deal whoever you can get value for.
After 2009 the core offense here should have been broken up. When they actualy had value.
Now there is none.
To get anything back for Hamels you will need him to sign an extension with the new team. Like Doc did here.
For the most part your roster is void of any value. So you really cant trade them all and get younger. Because outside of Ruben and a few people here. No one wants any of the over the hill (injured) gang.
Did get some steaks for the grill tonght though. And headed to the Yonkers trot on Saturday is a local Maryland horse that may just be the best in the world.
Enjoy your season and team boys. I am. This is your team. Ruben Minaya created this entire mess. Why in the name of all that is holy would anyone think he can lead them out of it?
Chuck and Beta I will put a steak on the grill for you. Come on over. Id love to talk baseball for a few hours with you gentlemen. Donald you are welcomed too. But better bring a royal food taster. Maybe borrow King Howards.
Posted: 03:06 PM on July 3, 2012