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Report: Talks Intensified Between Hamels, Phillies

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, July 19, 2012 03:01 PM | Comments: 21
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Hamels and the Phils are working. (AP)

This could be the most positive news to come about regarding Cole Hamels and the contract talks with the Phillies. Jayson Stark of ESPN.com says talks have intensified between the two sides as the Phillies look to lock up their ace before the trade deadline, and well before he can hit free agency this winter.

From Stark:

The Philadelphia Phillies and Cole Hamels’ agent, John Boggs, have picked up the pace of discussions in recent days, sources said, and those intensified discussions are an indication the Phillies have started a major push to sign Hamels before the July 31 trade deadline.

Meanwhile, clubs that have been speaking with the Phillies say the team has essentially put trade talks on hold, and have been much more focused on signing the 28-year-old lefthander than on dealing him before the deadline.

“They want to sign him, and that’s their priority,” said an official of one club that spoke with the Phillies’ brass this week. “They’re really not even entertaining (trade) offers at this point.”

Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com noted yesterday that the team was preparing to offer a contract north of $130 million over six seasons. I’ve long thought that something more like six years, $140 million would be apropo. If the Phillies are lucky, and Ruben Amaro shrewd enough, perhaps a five-year deal with two option years that vest with innings pitched or belong to the player, etc., is a possibility. This is all just guesswork.

Still, the two sides appear to be working hard to keep Hamels in Philadelphia long-term.

My question to you is; how much is too much? Are you open to the Phillies opening up their wallet to no end, or is there a limit they should spend on Hamels?

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  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Well its all too much. Once you get to those numbers its like adding one more floor to the top of the Empire State Building. Whats it matter? Whats the difference between an outrageous amount of money and nose wide open money. It doesn’t matter.

    Stop and think about it. Its a bunch of rich guys that pay other rich guys to play a game. We all get caught up in luxury taxes and payrolls and blah blah when in fact they deal in a reality none of on this board can even begin to fathom. Sure. Pay him. Or not pay him. So you can be the team that “held the line”. Eff that. Its a game. Play to win or don’t play.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      That is so true. It is a reality, or unreality, that no working stiff can ever imagine. The money passed around in the upper echelons of society is basically meaningless because there’s so much of it. These guys could probably buy a new Mercedes for every commenter on PN here, and still have money to burn.

      I’ve considered in the past what I’d do with just a plain million bucks, and in my imagination, I can’t even seem to spend THAT.

      Baseball on the playground is a game. ML baseball is a game, too, but it’s mostly a financial game played with little boats and top hats, fake mortgages, fake rents, fake utilities, fake railroads, and fake money that has “Parker Brothers” in tiny print in one corner.

       
      • Posts: 2965 Chuck A.

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        I don’t want a Mercedes. Could I get a brand new Mustang….fully loaded….instead??

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        hey there george! george don’t you get a kick out of these guys when after they sign a contract or move on to another team for a mil or two more when asked why they chose to move and they say something really dumb like i’m looking out for my family! that pisses me off to no end! i remember the eagles offer to reggie white it was a damn good offer but he took a gfreen bay offer foe a couple of mil more. i lost all repect for him after that! all he should have said was i went to GB because i believe they have a better chance to go to the super bowl instead he said man’s gotta feed his family! eff you reggie! and T.O. said basically the same thing eff you too T.O. if hamels leaves and says that i’ll boo him everytime he comes here regardless of winning the WS for us! i’d rather him say i think the phils are going downward and the team i’m signing with has a better chance to win. or they gave me so much money i couldn’t turn it down! i’m a man and i’m a fan i understand that, and i can take it. it’s the nature of the beast. but don’t tell me it’s about you’re family needing to gorge themselves on millions of dollars of effin food. i’ll even take a ” i like california better” just saying ya know.

         
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    This is very good news.. .hopefully it gets done quickly!

     
  • Posts: 0 FACE

    Whatever it takes, just sign him. They’re about to get that huge TV deal next year, and you don’t lose your best pitcher going into a huge TV contract. They need to keep as much of this team together as they can save for Victorino and maybe Dom Brown.

     
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    To answer Pat’s question: “too much” would be anything over 6 years and over 150 million. Maybe I’d go for a 7th year vesting option that’s not easy to attain –like Doc’s.

     
    • Posts: 0 Jaron B

      6 yrs., $144MM is the probable offer. Salary cap = $24MM

      The vesting option should be $22.5MM base (bonuses increase if the option vests): (1) no DL in 2018; (2) either (a) 220 IP in 2018 or (b) 205 IP w/ at least two CGs or (c) top 5 in Cy Young voting; and (3) either (a) 610 IP during last three years or (b) 415 IP during last two years.

      He’ll be 35 years and three months old on Apr. 1, 2019. Lee and Halladay are almost in their mid-30s already. The option doesn’t need to be too hard to attain. Hamels’ career numbers are 6.5 innings per start at 30.5 starts per season. Multiply and you get 199.67 innings per season. AND he averages about two complete games per year.

      Thus, my vesting option parameters are a challenge: pitch up to 15 more innings than your career average in your (Hamels’) 33- & 34-year-old seasons and we pay you in 2019. I just provided a few more ways the option can vest since we’re signing him young.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Its not even fun anymore. watching these ballplayers make all that money,, if you watch los angelos realestate. the cowboy who signed a 10 million dollar deal wants a house for 6 million. the manager said no 2 million. these are innercity punks with no need to make that kind of money. put them back

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    People gripe about the Howard contract. People gripe about the Papelbon contract. People gripe about the Rollins contract.

    But if management felt they couldn’t spend that much money, or take such a long term risk, they wouldn’t do any of it.

    I suppose there’s a limit to everything, but the Hamels situation will probably work out about the same as those other contracts I’ve mentioned. We’ll all either think that the offer was too much, too long, or both, or we’ll think that Hamels is a greedy son-of-a-b—- when he walks.

    Might as well let the rich on both sides do whatever they want, because they’ll do it anyway no matter what we have to say. Even if we started bombing CBP, the only thing that would happen is we’d wind up in prison.

     
  • Posts: 0 Carmen R. Bickings

    Sign Hamels. All those high priced players are not doing anything for the Phillies. At least Hamels is playing well. What is wrong with my Phillies, anyway? I don’t live near Philadelphia so I have to pay a fairly amount of money to be able to see my Phillies. It hasn’t been worth it so far. I pray for you guys every day. Let’s get going!!!! Please!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 Joe Stanczak

    Sign him then start selling, Wiggington, Victorino, Rollins, Fontentot ,Polano Blanton an whoever else I am forgetting trade. Even Pence if they can get a lot. Then sign Bourne in the off season

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Some of these, I can see. But why a top shortsop on a very fair contract?

       
      • Posts: 2965 Chuck A.

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        Because he’s a fan that wants to trade just for the sake of trading and hasn’t asked himself who can actually play SS any better than Jimmy can right now. Some people drive me crazy with their knee-jerk reactions to things. When Jimmy hits a walk-off next week ends a game on some terrific play it will be a different tune for sure.

         
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    What some of us may lose sight of is that if you don’t sign the primo players to ultra long term contracts then you don’t sign them at all. Thats why you you have to give it to them or…….you don’t get them. The best teams are stuck with some bad contracts. If you don’t have some bad contracts on your squad, then you’re not trying to win.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Since we are talking about money, why doesn’t this site correct the information provided to the right on 2012 salaries. We all know that Cole Hamels got $15 million for 2012 so why does it show 9.5 million?

     
  • Posts: 2965 Chuck A.

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    Just heard a few minutes ago on “Talkin’ Baseball With Dutch” on 97.5 that they are prepared to offer him 6/138-144. As per Jim Salisbury from CSN. Here’s the piece that Jim submitted today:

    http://www.csnphilly.com/baseball-philadelphia-phillies/phillies-talk/Lees-deal-the-blueprint-for-re-signing-H?blockID=742945&feedID=704

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I hope Jim Salisbury makes the writer’s wing of the hall of Fame. I have no idea how likely it is. When he wrote for the Inquirer, I never really paid much attention to his work. He was a pretty straightlaced beat guy as I remember him, and just didn’t seem anything real gripping about his work.

      But in the last few years, it stares out at you how on top of Phillies news he is, and at least the impression I get is he’s respected in that way by the handful of beat people covering the team.

      When Cliff left, there wasn’t one other writer I recall that ever anticipated his returning. Between interviews, and articles, Salisbury thought it was a possibility. That’s when I really started to take note of him.

      One never knows when a person is a mouthpiece for an agent, executive, or player. But in Salisbury’s case, to me, there’s a lot of good journalist, if to any extent, he is a mouthpiece.

      I’ll continue to put special creedence in his following this story.

       
  • Posts: 4886 Lefty

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    “The best teams are stuck with some bad contracts. If you don’t have some bad contracts on your squad, then you’re not trying to win.”

    Well stated, and I agree. I think the operative word is “some”. If there is a question about how many is more than some, the answer is in the L.T. Can you afford to go over? Can you afford the extra tax that comes with going over two years in a row?

    AND most importantly- if you can’t go over, can you have a few bad contracts and still field a contender?

    I admit that I admire the GM’s that field good teams with lower payrolls. The Andrew Friedman’s of the world, and even newer ones like Neil Huntington are very talented at what they do.

    But to The Dipsy’s point, I’m glad the Phils are at least willing to try. I hated the days when I wished they weren’t so tight-fisted. Cole Hamels deserves to be paid like an elite pitcher in today’s world. I’ve waffled back and forth several times, but in the end I’ve come to the decision that It matters not that I can’t conceive of the riches. Because as long as he takes the mound in a Phils uniform every five days, I’m going to be happier than if he wears another team’s colors.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Thanks Lefty. And more globally, why would anyone own a team and NOT try to win it all? No matter the sport. The guy that owns the Royals…whoever it is…why does he own the Royals when he could never ever get the kind of players it would take to win a WS? Is that it because he wants to own a team as a pure money making venture? To own the Royals and have crappy players, living off of luxury taxes, and waiting for the team to appreciate so you could sell the team must suck.

    Why own a team if you’re not in it to win? Thinking about it like that, who gives a damn if Cole gets an extra year? You need him, so pay him. Its a teardrop in an ocean. Go Phils!

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    can you guys imagine if he signs a huge contract like the one people are spectulating on and he gets injured to the point that he can pitch but not like the pitcher they signed to a mega deal? if i remember an awful lot of writers and fans were clamoring for the phils to sign howard. and when they did everybody was saying it was too long, he’s not worth it blah blah blah. they could afford it so what. then he has a couple of down years. ( and i mean down by not hitting 50 HR’s) he was still producing but because of the amount of money a lot of people me included expected more! then last years injury and now we’re like whoa! is he still gonna be able to do it? and his new contract just kicked in! everybody brace yourselves for the backlash cole will recieve from a lot of people if he doesn’t win 20 games every year. or like cliff lee. if lee doesn’t pitch a shutout and make us laugh and only has one win as of july 19 what’s that gonna be like?

     
 
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