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The Departed: Ex-Phils Prospect Review

Posted by Jay Floyd, Thu, July 12, 2012 08:05 AM | Comments: 26
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In recent seasons, the Phillies have parted ways with a considerable collection of well-regarded prospects in efforts to acquire established big league players. As time passes, those young players get closer to contributing for their new organization at the highest level and some are already doing so. As this year’s trade deadline approaches, here’s a glance at how many of those former Phils’ farm hands have performed throughout the pros thus far in 2012.

Jonathan Singleton, 1B, traded to Houston in the 2011 Hunter Pence deal- In 82 games with the Double-A Corpus Christi Hooks, the 20-year-old has posted a .271 batting average with 18 doubles, 3 triples, 12 HR and 49 RBI.

Jarred Cosart, RHP, also dealt in the Pence trade- In 13 starts for Corpus Christi, the righty hurler is sporting a 4-5 record with a 3.91 ERA and a .273 batting average against. Cosart, 22, made 1 start for Triple-A Oklahoma City in May, allowing 4 earned runs in 6 innings of work. Overall in 79 2/3 innings pitched this season, Cosart has struck out 64 and walked 33.

Domingo Santana, OF, included as player to be named later in Pence trade- Batting .307 with 16 doubles, 5 triples, 12 homers and 62 RBI in 62 games for Class A Advanced Lancaster. The 19-year-old has walked 30 times this year, nearly matching his full season total of 32 from 2011.

Jonathan Villar, SS, traded to Houston in the 2010 Roy Oswalt deal- In 84 games with Corpus Christi, the 21-year-old Villar has tallied a .264 batting average with 7 doubles, 2 triples, 10 HR and 48 RBI. Additionally, the switch-hitting Villar has stolen 39 bases in 47 chances (83% success rate) this year.

Anthony Gose, OF, traded in the Oswalt deal and flipped by Houston to Toronto on the same day- In 87 games for Triple-A Las Vegas this year, Gose has posted a .290 average with 18 doubles, 9 triples, 4 HR and 38 RBI. The 21-year-old Gose has stolen 29 bases in 36 chances (81% success rate) for LV.

Travis d’Arnaud, C, traded to Toronto in the 2009 Roy Halladay trade- Currently sidelined with a torn knee ligament, the 23-year-old tallied a .333 average with 21 doubles, 2 triples, 16 homers and 52 RBI in 67 games for Las Vegas.

Kyle Drabek, RHP, dealt in the Halladay trade- In 13 big league starts this year, the 24-year-old Drabek posted a 4-7 record with a 4.67 ERA and 47 strike outs and 47 walks in 71 1/3 innings pitched.  Drabek is out for the year after undergoing his second career Tommy John surgery in June.

Michael Taylor, OF, also included in Halladay deal before being traded again to Oakland- Taylor, 26, has a .302 batting average with 23 doubles, a triple, 6 HR and 41 RBI in 76 games with Triple-A Sacramento this season. Additionally, in 4 big league games with the Athletics this year, Taylor went 3-for-16 (.188 avg).

Carlos Carrasco, RHP, traded to Cleveland for Cliff Lee in 2009- Carrasco, 25, had Tommy John surgery last September and began throwing from a mound last month.

Jason Donald, IF, also included in the Lee trade- The 27-year-old righty hitter has a .250 batting average with 8 doubles, 3 triples, 2 HR and 18 RBI in 42 games with Triple-A Columbus Clippers. Donald also played in 18 games with the Indians this season, batting .188 with a double and 4 RBI.

Lou Marson, C, included in the Lee trade- In 33 games with the Indians this year, the 26-year-old is sporting a .297 batting average with 6 doubles, 2 triples and 8 RBI.

Josh Outman, LHP, traded in the 2008 deal with Oakland for Joe Blanton, Outman is now in the Colorado organization following Tommy John Surgery- In 15 big league games (7 starts) this season, Outman has a 0-3 record, a 9.00 ERA and a .310 batting average against.

Adrian Cardenas, IF, also included in the Blanton deal, Cardenas is now in the Cubs system- In 37 games at Triple-A Iowa, Cardenas is batting a .321 average with 12 doubles, 3 triples, 2 HR and 23 RBI. During a stint with the big league club earlier this year, Cardenas batted .189 with 5 doubles and 1 RBI in 25 games.

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  • Posts: 804 schmenkman

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    Singleton’s numbers shown here look good, but in addition, he has the 4th highest OPS in a league in which, at 20, he’s the 3rd youngest position player. He has played mostly 1st base this year, but also 19 games in the outfield.

    Another one of interest is Domingo Santana, the PTBNL in the Pence trade. He’s hitting .307/.377/.533 for a .909 OPS, 8th highest in the A+ California League. He’s the only position player under 20 in that league.

     
  • Posts: 0 Manny

    I liked Santana, and I was pissed when he turned out to be the PTBNL. I thought that was a term for a fill-in prospect, not a legit one. The Pence trade looks uglier by the day.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I think these stats show mostly that it takes talent to acquire talent, although I think that in some of these trades, the Phils got the better end of the deal. The jury is still out on a few players, but Donald, Outman, and Cardenas don’t appear to be stars in the making.

    The one major failure looks to be the Pence deal. It’ll take some time for these prospects to make an impact, but it appears so far that they all will be pretty darned good. Pence may be better than average with the bat, but the Phils likely paid too much, and probably could have used these prospects to get someone better. Of course, that’s speculation. I’m not a scout, so I can’t pass judgement on Singleton’s or Cosart’s skills, and I also don’t know what other teams had players they wanted to trade.

     
    • Posts: 1189 Manny

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      …which is really a shame, especially when you consider that the Pence trade was completely unnecessary. A first-place team virtually guaranteed to make the playoffs giving up the farm to improve its offense only marginally. It was stupid. Ugh.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        yea manny i too was pissed when they added santana as the PTBNL. take him out of it and the trade isn’t bad! with howard tied up at first for 5 years theres no way singleton was gonna crack onto the phils unless it was at another position. (which if i remember they tried him in left and it wasn’t working out) so if santana wasn’t thrown in the trade is acceptable. and i also agree that they would have won the div. anyway.
        the thing that jumps out on me is the amount of pitching prospects o f ours that have had tommy john surgery! outman,carasco, and drabek! and if i remember drabek is also having it done. cosart was supposidly marching to his own drum and wasn’t exepting coaching and his numbers indicate that he hasn’t perform much better for his new team. most of the position players mentioned in the article were players in positions that were filled on the phils by guys in their prime who they were never gonna unseat. yea they could have hung on to them but the phils org. in my mind was in uncharted waters for the first time in the teams history.

        i have wrestled with the pain of losing some of these guys. right now it would be good to know that they were still with us to replace our now aging stars. but if they were ? i ask myself sometimes . would we have won five div titles a WS and another WS appearence? i don’t know but it is was it is as they say! whoever they are lol.
        we had a good run man! it’s time to start a new one, we still have a shot (an outside one at that)

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Wrong.

        Ryne, trading Singleton and Cosart was already enough of an overpay. You have to look at where the Phillies were in the standings at the time of that trade. They were already in first place. From May 23rd (when Utley returned) through July 29 (the day the Pence trade went down) they had one of the best offenses in the league.

        There was absolutely no reason to make that trade. There was no need. The offense was good. The pitching was historically good. They were in first place by a handful of games, and their odds of making the playoffs were something like 99%.

        Saying “Singleton was blocked” is nonsense. First, he’s 20. He’ll be 25 when Howard’s contract expires, if he even manages to stay healthy through it. Use the “Ed Wade Googles” and look up what ages Chase and Howard were when they first started playing every day. Second, read Schmenkman’s first comment in this thread again. Singleton has played 19 games in the outfield this season. And third, it’s better to hold onto a player who has a lot of value and make a trade for something you really need, rather than making a trade for a superfluous piece like Pence was last season.

        There is no real justification for that deal, especially considering what little Atlanta had to give up to get Bourn shortly after the Pence deal.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        i was equally if not more pissed when micheal taylor went to the jays instead of brown! i think taylor was devistated by the trade cause i remember an iterview with him where he was thrilled to death knowing he was close to performing in front of the sellout crowds at CBP. and then he was shipped to okland the same day. and his play for the A’s and their minor leagues showed it. he’s just now started to get his act together. this is one guy i think the phils should try to get back somehow. he’s still young has gads of talent and is a REAL 5 tool player unlike brown.

         
      • Posts: 0 Psujoe

        Seems we’re in agreement on the Pence deal. Damn shame D. Santana was added later. I thought a smaller chips like Jamey Carroll to replace Minny mart and another of bench bat would’ve sufficed. This is what Gillick did so well. RAJ just loves the big deal.

         
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      The Hunter Pence deal was, is, and forever shall be an abomination. It’s totally inexcusable.

      You can also make a pretty good case that the 2nd Lee trade, the one in which he went to Seattle, was pretty damn damaging to the organization, because not only did they not get any real blue-chip prospects in return, it also opened up a hole in the rotation that they then later needed to fill with Roy Oswalt, costing them Gose and Villar (and Happ, who had some value at the time).

       
      • Posts: 1189 Manny

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        Yep. It is appalling that we didn’t get a single blue-chip prospect in the second Lee trade (of course we didn’t give up any legit ones either when we first got him, but that’s Cleveland’s problem, not ours), especially when Lee was only costing 9 million. Without that move, there would’ve been no Oswalt deal and we would’ve certainly ended up at the same point where we are now but with a couple more/better prospects still in our farm.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        One thought: the Pence deal was to acquire an outfielder not just for 2011, but for ’12 and ’13, too. In that respect, it was still a gross overpay, just marginally less egregious.

        Also, I’m not so sure the Lee trade was that damaging. Happ was injured for a large part of 2010, and he’s been pretty worthless since. Maybe some of the prospects traded for Oswalt will be good, but Happ certainly hasn’t been. And it’s still possible that the guys received for Lee could at least be decent. None of them are very old yet, and all supposedly have potential.

         
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    It is good to keep tabs on our lost prospects. Thanks,

     
  • Posts: 1135 EricL

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    Probably should also note that Drabek is out with a torn UCL, so he’s having (or has already had?) Tommy John surgery for the 2nd time in his career.

     
    • Posts: 288 Jay Floyd

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      Thanks for the reminder, Eric.

      For those of you upset that Domingo Santana was included as the PTBNL, let me add some info which may enhance that…
      In the scenario when there is a player to be named later, the team acquiring that player has a predetermined list of names, agreed to by both teams prior to the trade, to choose that player from. The Phillies included Santana as an option when the Astros (from what I was told by a scout) had more than a half dozen others to pick from.

      If Houston agreed to consider that many others, it was even more silly to make Santana available. Just saying when a trade is made up front, you can fall back on the thought process of, “Well, that guy had to be included. Otherwise, it was clearly a deal breaker.” Perhaps Santana should have been protected, if the Astros weren’t exactly sure which other player they wanted.

      I was never able to confirm what other names were on the list. It was kept very confidential.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    EricL
    although i still think he was blocked, i agree with you that in hindsite that trade shouldn’t have been made. i goofed on not knowing singletons age. i thought he was 22 or 23! my mistake. now that you’ve enlightened me on him being only 20 i’m even more pissed with that trade!
    if you think about the trades with houston Eric everybody was brimming about wade letting us take oswalt and pence. and everybody was laughing at wade for trading his stars away. in my eyes he did what a GM should do he traded a fading ace and a really decent player for what? six of our minor leaguers who most likely will see time with the stros. every body at the time was centered on rube making wade look like a fool! hmmmmm who actually got the better deal! and to boot houston fired wade! to me that’s almost laughable now!

    everybody in philly wanted wade out! me included! he built the team that took us too the series, gillick just tweaked it. then got fired went to a houston team on the downslide and now after he’s gone houstons trades with us will have them on the upswing. now that’s funny. wade’s like the rodney dangerfield of GM’s (no respect) maybe the phils thought gee he built us, we dumped him, he fleeced us, and they are rebuilt. we better hire him back! we traded lee got him back, now hamels is talking leaving and comming back! WTF. do you see a trend here?

     
    • Posts: 0 Shloimy

      i agree one hundred percent whith ryne ed wade should be in the hall of fame he drafted Ryan Howard, Chase Utly, Cole Hamels,and Chooch.And was able to get some exellent prospects for a aging superstar and prospects whith more upside than hunter pence.

       
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      One point of contention: There were lots of people who were not at all happy with the Hunter Pence deal when it went down, and even more people who were unhappy after they learned that Santana was the PTBNL. Personally, I didn’t like it at all, but I was a little relieved that Domonic Brown wasn’t part of the deal.

       
  • Posts: 0 Shloimy

    I live in lakewood i remember when singelton was whith the Blueclaws he was streaky with power and was very pationt at the plate.

     
  • Posts: 4566 Lefty

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    So we traded four TJ surgeries? And let Madson go too?

    What is the present percentage of young pitchers that have to go through that? Five pitchers that leave/or traded from the organization seems unusually high. Have we had that many pitchers that remained in our organization go through it?

    I feel bad for the kid Kyle Drabek, 2 TJ’s is not good.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      If you’re hinting that the Phils may not be handling their arms right, I can only point out that blowing out ligaments and tendons is something that nobody has been able to predict. There are loads of guys who have needed TJ surgery in every organization, including some position players. Strasburg had it almost immediately after his debut, but it took until he was 47 before Moyer went under the knife, and TJ himself was no youngster when he got the first one. Maybe the geneticists can shed some light on it, because it doesn’t seem to have any correlation with mechanics, velocity, or training. But maybe they can’t either; I can’t recall that Kyle Drabek’s old man Doug ever had his elbow rebuilt, and he was a pretty good pitcher for a number of years.

      One has to feel for those guys who need it, though, and even more so for those who need it twice. Mathieson spent years and years struggling because of it. He had to go to Japan to continue his career. I hope that’s not the case with Drabek.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    The Oswalt trade was awful as well. If they had kept Lee in 2010 for $9 million they wouldn’t have had to make that deal and would have Gose in their outfield next season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    please. none of these players are ever going to be anything special in the big leagues. most of them will never be anything period. I’d do all those trades again in a heartbeat.

     
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  • Posts: 0 Melvin

    Proof positive that they’re called prspects for a reason. I’m with Ryan H. above. Let’s check this list again in 5 years. Right now, today, I would say the Phils came out way ahead on these trades. The focus should be on why this organization is unable to draft talent that can be MLB ready within 3-4 years.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      The Phils can’t draft talent like other teams because for years running they haven’t had high draft picks. Their strategy therefore has been to draft athletic and talented high schoolers instead of middling college guys. (You can’t get an immediate impact player like Strasburg when you draft at #30 or so.)

       
 
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