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Arroyo Dazzles Phils En Route To Reds 3-2 Triumph

Posted by Ryan Dinger, Wed, August 22, 2012 09:45 PM | Comments: 27
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Vance Worley didn't pitch badly tonight. Bronson Arroyo just pitched stupendously. (AP)

When the Phillies came to the ballpark tonight, they stood no chance. That’s because Bronson Arroyo was pitching, and pitching extremely well. Mix in Aroldis Chapman to close it out, and this one was over before it started. The final score was3-2, but the gap between the two teams was almost much larger compared to what the scoreboard read.

WORLEY ON THE BUMP

- It’s no secret that Vance Worley has struggled mightily over the last two months. Since July 1, he’s 2-4 with a 5.92 ERA. During that span, he’s pitched 48.2 innings, but recorded just 34 strikeouts while walking 20. Looking at his career marks for K/9 and BB/9 (7.78 and 3.20, respectively), his strikeouts are down and his walks are up. That’s always a recipe for disaster for a pitcher, and begins to explain Worley’s struggles. But more than that, Worley is playing with bone chips in his pitching elbow. That, no doubt, is affecting Worley in some manner, despite the fact that he says it isn’t.

- It was more of the same for Worley tonight. He worked hard early on, throwing 52 pitches through the first three, but managed to escape without any damage. After a rocky fourth where Worley went unscathed (more on that later), the Reds finally broke through with two runs in the fifth. Following a clean sixth, Worley was up to 99 pitches, and would call it a night. He allowed eight hits and walked two, but he battled out of jams all night, never retiring the side in order. Considering how bad it could’ve been, I’d say the Reds won this game more than Worley lost it.

THE OFFENSE STRUGGLES (EXCEPT FOR DOM BROWN)

- Facing the Phillies has been no walk in the park for Bronson Arroyo, as his 7.28 career ERA indicates. In fact, things have been so bad for Arroyo against Philly’s hometown nine, he hasn’t recorded a win against them since 2000, when he was a 23-year old rookie pitching for Pittsburgh–and that was the only win he had against them in his career. But, as I’ve said about opposing starters all season, those numbers were compiled against a much different lineup than the one Arroyo faced tonight, and it showed.

- Arroyo was perfect through four, and kept the Phils bats off balance throughout the night. The only run the team managed came when Domonic Brown broke up the perfect game bid after 4.2 innings with a solo home run, his first of the season. The homer was one of just three hits the Phillies managed off of Arroyo. The other was Brown’s eighth inning double and a ninth inning single for Kevin Frandsen.

DOM BROWN REDEMPTION

- An error by Domonic Brown in the fourth inning looked certain to lead to the Reds first run, if not for some heroics by the same man who put the Phils in the stick situation. Here’s how it went down: Leading off the fourth, Jay Bruce lifted a ball high into the Philadelphia night. Brown began his pursuit, but it quickly became apparent he could not see the ball. What should have been a routine out ended up landed about 15 feet in front of Brown, allowing Bruce to motor around the bases to third. Following an and a hit batter, Todd Frazier hit another fly ball to right field. This time, Brown caught it, and uncorked a mammoth of a throw that beat the tagging Bruce to the plate by a good ten feet. The throw was one of the best I’ve ever seen and completely saved Brown from being a goat with his gaffe. Of the position players, Brown was the only one who provided some real positives tonight.

JOSH LINDBLOM STRIKES AGAIN

- It’s been a rough start to Josh Lindblom‘s career as a Phillie. After the eighth inning home run he allowed tonight, he’s now given up seven runs in eight innings since being traded from L.A. for Shane Victorino, good for a 7.88 ERA. It’s a microscopic sample size, but Amaro and co. have to be disappointed with what he’s shown them so far. The run would prove costly because….

NINTH INNING HEROICS FALL SHORT

- Facing a flamethrower in Chapman, the Phillies chances of staging a ninth inning comeback were slim. That didn’t stop them from trying though. Ty Wigginton drove in the second run of the night on a one-out single. That brought the winning run to the plate in the form of Chase Utley, whom Chapman struck out to end last night’s game. Utley would not stike out tonight. He would fly out, though, leaving it up to Ryan Howard. He’d line out to end it.

GAME NOTES

-The Phils try to salvage a split tomorrow as Cole Hamels takes the mound. He’ll have a tough task, starting opposite NL Cy Young contender Johnny Cueto.

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  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Nice game by D. Brown. Not impressed by Lindblom at all…so far.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      ed like i said on my game day post i stopped watching cause i was ticked. but i did see the replay of dom’s assist. and you’re right he had a nice game, a very nice game! and i don’t see linbum making the team in S.T. he flat out sucks. however i do think some of our young arms will help us next year.

      i don’t see them any higher than a strong 3rd place next year. they need too many pieces. i don’t know if rube has it in him to make all the moves he has to make. i wouldn’t want his job! but if i did! there would be lots of changes. cholly must have cost them at least 10-12 games this year. it was bad enough with the injuries and the pen. but with that said he cost us also. and these last two games were well you know. he sucks the air out of me too!

       
  • Posts: 0 BART SHART

    I glad to see Dom Brown playing well and congrats on his first homer of the year.

     
  • Posts: 2069 Brooks

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    A great win followed by a bad loss – giving up 5 runs from the 7th on is a true formula for failure yet, the Phils still did fight which has merits in itself followed by a real dud. 4 hits? Really? With the top 5 batters in the lineup going 0 for 18?

    The Phils are now 11-10 for the month of August, typically one of the hottest months for the Phils. Is this the best they have?

    If Jimmy Rollins hits .400 for the remainder of the year, his average MAY reach a respectable level, close to his career numbers but that ain’t happenin’, This is one of the worst seasons I can remember in virtually every aspect. Hitting (please – any comments on how middle of the pack their offense has been means has no bearing – the OF is one of the worst offensively in all of baseball – the starting SS is toast, the second baseman is now mediocre at best and who knows what the first baseman will give you on any given night? 3 strikouts or 3 rbi or both?), the defense is porous and especially the pitching this year. How could Lee, Doc, virtually all of the middle relief – the best part of this season will be when next April comes around. There is a TON of work that needs to be done on this team, how did it fall apart so quickly?

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Utley: “mediocre at best”? Here is a list of all the MLB second basemen who have hit better than Utley this year:

      1. Cano
      2. Zobrist (plays RF part time)
      3. Aaron Hill

      Rollins: “toast”? Here is a list of all the MLB shortstops who have been better than Rollins this year:

      1. Andrus
      2. Desmond
      3. Reyes
      (what’s that? Jeter? No. Defense counts too)

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        schmenkster i agree with you on utley not mediocre with all due respect to brooks. but jimmy on the other IS toast! just as brooks has stated.the only reason he is where he is in the hiarchy of the second basemen you put up there is because of a few spurts of offense in a miniscule amount of games. the rest of the time he’s as useless of a hitter as you can imagine. he’s so bad that on a list of not very good offensive second basemen he’s not even in the top three! i like andrus, desmond is having a career year we won’t know if he’s that improved till he does it again. and reyes is having a not so good year and he’s above rollins. tulo isn’t in the top 3 simply because he’s injured. but if he wasn’t he’s be atop the list.

        i look at it this way. for you to say that rollins is a lot better than most SS it’s like rollins is a 40 watt bulb among a bunch of 25 watt bulbs! tulo, when healthy100w andrus 75w desmond right now a 75w reyes this year flickering between 60 & sometimes 75w and poor little dim jimmy pullin up above the rest of the dim SS’s dump that lazy POS.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        i failed to mention on my 1st post to you schmenk that j-bag peaked in 07 since then all his stats offensively have declined. i have read that in defense of rollins , some people refer to his lifetime ave. i say start those calculations from 08 and see what it is! and o8 wasn’t a bad year. but he peaked in 07. so with 08 in the picture it’ll help his otherwise mediocre offense. and the lifetime ave. people refer to has dropped below .270 that people quote. at this stage of his career and the amount of AB’s involved it’s hard to raise or lower your lifetime ave. but little dim bulb j-bag, has managed to lower it a couple to 3 points. the only thing that could shrink like that is a piece of bread in a toaster! hense brooks analogy that he’s toast. (that was just to be cute).

         
      • Posts: 834 schmenkman

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        “he peaked in xxxx and since then he’s declined”

        Well no kidding. Everyone has a career year, and for almost everyone it’s in their 20s, so you can say the above about virtually every player in his 30s.

        Regardless of your opinion of the current state of MLB shortstops, Rollins’ overall year this year, combining offense and defense, would be a well above average season for a shortstop in any year.

        And you seem to think Rollins is more inconsistent than other players. That may be, but without some evidence, why would anyone believe that’s the case?

         
  • Posts: 120 Dave P

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    I was at the game. One of the highlights was this -
    http://www.loladelphia.com/post/30032904445/photoshop-night-err-90s-retro-night-was-held-at

    Not a terrible game, but it was frustrating how little they were making bronson work.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Here’s some possible good news for the anti-Rollins camp. Possible is an operative word, mind you, particularly in Rumor City, where the winds blow 4 directions at once.

    Yesterday, on MLBTR, Kevin Towers was quoted as saying he’ll be looking for a SS for the Dbacks next year, and doesn’t think it will come from the free agent field. So based on that, internal discussions almost have to include the name Rollins.

    Also, on Jimmy, I found this interesting, with a little self interpretation mixed in. Charlie was interviewed live on MLB Network Radio, where he does a weekly schpiel. He was asked about the Jimmy incident. Keep in mind that was 2 weeks ago now, and make up your own mind on the relavance of hitting performance to hustle, but he’s shown little sign of life at the plate since then, although I haven’t checked his actual average since then, but I’m quite sure it sucks. Anyway, what Charlie said 2 weeks after the fact was he had a real good talk with Jimmy, and he would see how he responded. I took from that zero indication that Charlie is pleased with what’s transpired since, he was still in wait and see mode. That didn’t strike me as particularly overwhelmed.

    The problem is Jimmy has 10/5 status, and a lot of control on his future. But I’d say it’s better than 50-50 that he’s gone next year, and it probably winds up a good thing.

    It must be fun to be Derek Jeter. First he gets low blowed by Skip “To My Mindless Banter” Bayless, who actually IN GENERAL was in line mentioning the still presence of banned substances and Jeter’s terrific season on an all around basis on the whole. Then, I see above that Rollins is having a better year than Jeter. I wonder if Joe Frazier ever took a left right combo that insulting. Jeter, on a side note, is now about 65 hits away from the moist hits by an AL right handed batter.

    I’ll wrap with 3 names. Beltran, Ramirez and Reyes. Not a 100 per cent absolute convictional statement, but 3 names that with some degree of back and forth on Ramirez and Reyes would no doubt be holding my own personal interest a lot more than this year’s results are.

     
    • Posts: 834 schmenkman

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      LOL trust me — Jeter’s defense has been insulted much much more than my little jab there.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        You are correct on the FREQUENCY with which Jeter is criticized, but not the INTENSITY of what you said. You certainly have the right to think Rollins is having a better overall season than Jeter, but I read a few opinions around all-star time that Cliff Lee was a qualified all-star, which I thought were essentially ridiculous based on the points of games he’s been touched for blown up results. My personal view is your statement was similar in imaginative thinking. More power to you if you think Rollins is having a better year. Best to just go our separate ways on that, just like I am polar opposite of you and your thinking about Adam Dunn (who wouldn’t want Adam Dunn and his .840 OPS).

         
      • Posts: 834 schmenkman

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        Strongly (intensely?) disagree regarding intensity of criticism for Jeter’s defense.

        A quick search yields this article (today) from Pinstripe Alley, the Yankees blog on SB Nation:

        “That is not to say that Jeter’s return is not to be celebrated, but our excitement should be tempered by the fact that the same old problems apply-Jeter’s defensive negatives must be deducted from his offensive positives.”

        http://www.pinstripealley.com/2012/8/23/3263245/were-so-sorry-uncle-derek-jeter-on-the-interplay-between-offense-and

         
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        The article tells me nothing new. It reminds me of a good amount of history, but is a moot point.

        I’m not defending Jeter as a defensive shortstop. He’s got limited range, At best, an average arm, never was particularly special on turning the double play. But to the point at hand, it’s not much off so what to Jeter’s weaknesses . And the reason is because you said Rollins was having the better overall year of the two. Jimmy’s offensive shortcomings drag his year down to where his defense would have to be close to Ozzie Smith wizardry to make it a fruitful debate in my opinion.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Not necessarily. It depends on how bad Jeter is. I’ll provide a link later.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Here is that link ranking shortstops by overall performance. Jeter has been far below average in fielding (he’s usually below average but this year he’s even worse than usual), while Rollins is solidly above average. The difference is enough to negate Jeter’s offensive advantage.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=190&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

        The WAR numbers are not meant to be exact — there is enough play in the numbers that it’s fair to say they’ve been having similar seasons overall. But we can say with some certainty that Jeter is NOT having a better year than Rollins, except in terms of PR of course.

         
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Again….and I’ve asked it before….to all you clowns who hate Jimmy and think he should be gone….

    Just who do you propose the Phillies use as a SS that’s as good as Jimmy is right now? YES….he’s older and “in decline.” But he’s still the best option for us for right now and all this negative talk about him needs to stop.

    And to Ryne Duren – just what the eff is it with the “j-bag” reference all the time? Is that by chance short for “jitbag”?? If so, then it’s the wrong word choice since jitbag is defined as this:

    “literally a bag of semen, could literally mean a used condom. In actual usage, it refers to someone who acts like an extreme a$$hole.
    “I can’t believe that jitbag grabbed my girlfriend’s hooters”

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      sorry if i offended you chuck with my reference to rollins as j-bag. let me explain. your definition to the word is correct! i wasn’t refering him as a bag of that! although in my younger days we frequently called other guys that without actually meaning they were a j-bag. but for doing ar acting just as you said. an extreme a-hole. now although he’s not acting like one his approach at the plate as a leadoff hitter is in my my the act of an extreme one at that!

      don’t get me wrong i was a rollins fan for a long time. he always irked me though with his approach, but at least he made up for it many times with clutch hits and exciting base running. and i give him his due. but how he plays now and the last year or two i’m giving him his due.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Chuck,

    I’m not one of the people of which you speak, I’d classify myself as largely neutral on Jimmy for the last 3 years, meaning some positivity, a little negativity, but that last lack of hustle did piss me off, and I’m sick of him being used as a leadoff hitter, but I’d like to comment on your fair question anyway, one I’ve asked many times, and many incidents over.

    At this point, for 1, Galvis is a better defender than Jimmy, though it’s not a runaway measure, and I doubt his offense is that much less than what Jimmy is contributing these days. Course that assumes a back injury comeback.

    But I’d like them to at least consider other options. Jimmy can just grate on ya sometimes, and that’s where I’m at with him. I definitely have no great warmth and fuzziness about him closinjg out his career as a Phillie. Can’t say I’d be vehemently opposed to it, but I would assume I’d greet his departure with the same basic apathy I felt when Vic left. It wasn’t that big a deal to me.

     
    • Posts: 0 Keith

      1) Freddy Galvis is not a better defender than Jimmy. That is completely unsupported by any advanced defensive metric or any scouts. 2) Freddy Galvis couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. He is completely below replacement level when it comes to hitting for Galvis. He has no power, no contact tool and does not get on base.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        “Freddy Galvis is not a better defender than Jimmy. That is completely unsupported by any advanced defensive metric or any scouts.”

        I gotta be real careful here, because 2 wrongs don’t make a right. And I’m not by any means averse to sabermetrics. And I hardly consider myself a know it all, but won’t hesitate to be convictional, or reserve the right to changed thinking. But I’ve watched baseball for a long, long time, and am EXTREMELY comfortable with my own personal ability to decipher what I watch, ESPECIALLY since this is a hobby to me, albeit an important one, but not life and death.

        That said, I’m perfectly comfortable with my take that Galvis, playing short on a regular basis would almost immediately be a modest improvement over what Jimmy is now. And if you disagree, so be it, but I frankly don’t give a hoot if your opinion is based on advanced metrics, which I don’t incorporate into my opinions too often, or far worse, this garbage about scouts, none of whom you quoted even anonymously in a way like it’s a long list that would total out at 11 out of 10 in favor of Rollins. Believe what you want, but don’t address a post to me about advanced metrics, particularly defensive ones suggesting I’m flat out wrong like it’s a fact.

         
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    I was going to reply about my feelings on Jimmy Rollins, but Ken’s last post pretty much summed up all I had to say, and put it better than I would have. Kudos, Ken. I will give Jimmy one kudos, and that is he still can field. I’m still mystified how Bronson put the “death wish” (pun intended) on our line-up. Don’t we usually smack the guy around?

     
    • Posts: 834 schmenkman

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      I like the pun.

      Pitcher stats vs. individual teams are often small sample sizes, and so a lot of times are not really meaningful. Also personnel changes — before last night he had 9 starts vs. the Phils, and only 4 since 2004.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I don’t know that Chuck will get an answer from the people he wanted to hear from. And it’s probably because there isn’t a standout candidate, and at best a short list of maybe candidates.

      But what really isn’t wrong is theret least fair ground for maybe just wanting to look at a fresh face leading off and playing short. One thing for sure. Jimmy is not so good anymore that he negates justification of that. And if he’s gonna get better at this point, it’s a major upset. So you don’t wanna cut your nose to spite your face, but Jimmy’s hardly untradable.

       
      • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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        Ken – I’m happy to get an answer from anyone and what you say is true…there isn’t really a standout candidate that can play better than Jimmy. Yes, Jimmy can be frustrating at times but so can all players. Seriously….name one guy on the roster that hasn’t pissed you off or frustrated you at least once. People need to get a grip that baseball players will fail but that the good ones (and Jimmy is one of those) will always find a way to keep succeeding in spite of the failures.

        As for Galvis…yeah…I like the kid. But we really haven’t seen enough of him to make a fair judgement of his game. Sure, he’s young and he’s flashy with the glove at times and I guess we all kind of fell in love with him earlier this year. But…..RIGHT NOW…..Galvis’ injury aside (and it’s a serious injury)….. I will take my chances with Jimmy Rollins on our team any day of the week.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        “name one guy on the roster that hasn’t pissed you off or frustrated you at least once ”

        Incidental comment that this is, I feel compelled to answer being as it was directed at me. While I wasn’t too thrilled with Doc giving up a 6-0 lead in Atlanta, that’s the closest he’s come to crosiing that line with me. He’s gotten a free pass this year because it’s impossible to judge how healthy he is. The man strikes me as rock solid character.

        Chase pissed me off in a way that is softened by him not exactly owing an explanation, though it would have been nice. What exactly happened this winter that caused him to miss another half season. On the field? Even occasional defensive lapses haven’t taken me over the top.

        I don’t know that Chooch has ever pissed me off.

        Everyone else, including Cliff and Cole, who I think the world of definitely have.

        One thing to keep in mind with Galvis is I’m not looking at him as a decade long answer. If he proves he can play to a certain level, mostly offensively, of course, since that’s where there’s doubt, so be it, but I’m thinking of buying time, about 2 years, the remainder of Jimmy’s deal (excluding option). So the Galvis mention shouldn’t be taken as a long term solution. The Phils have been fortunate to get 10 plus out of Jimmy, about 8 of which were very useful on the whole, and it’s not like he’s chopped liver now, just grating.

         
  • Posts: 5152 Lefty

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    Chuck my friend, I don’t have an answer for you.

    Jimmy’s stats in his last seven games are frustrating. He’s having his worst skid of the season. .121/.121/.182- Not good at all, but if Charlie puts up with these kinds of numbers from Mini Mart full time, surely a rough stretch like this from Jimmy is tolerable. It’s just the ups and downs of the game. But it wouldn’t hurt to sit him for a night.

    I have no general issue with Jimmy except when he doesn’t run a ball out. That makes me crazy, and I think for many fans that have ever played the game and wish they were good enough or lucky enough to ever get a crack at the bigs, it sticks in their craw a bit.

    Justified, not justified- his not running that ball out has been discussed on the boards to death. I don’t care what the odds are, that it might net only one or two extra base hits a season, that’s not about that for me.

    But I don’t hate on these guys that I criticize sometimes, I’m just a Phillies fan.

    Coincidentally, this 7 game streak started August 16th after having his talk that day about hustle with Charlie. That’s just really bad timing I think.

     
 
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