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Gameday: Reds (76-49) at Phillies (57-67)

Posted by Amanda Orr, Thu, August 23, 2012 06:23 PM | Comments: 43
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Cincinnati Reds (76-49) at Philadelphia Phillies (57-67)

Johnny Cueto (16-6, 2.44) vs. Cole Hamels (14-6, 2.94)

Time: 7:05 p.m. Citizens Bank Park
Weather: Partly Cloudy, 85
TV: CSN
Media: Twitter and Facebook

The Phillies will try to split the series with the Reds.  The Phillies have been so close in the last two games, but just didn’t have enough for the victory.  They haven’t been getting blown out by the first-place Reds, so it’s a good sign that the Phillies are battling.

Tonight could be a possible Cy Young candidate matchup.  Both Cole Hamels and Johnny Cueto are having excellent years. Cueto currently leads the National League in earned run average, and is tied for first in wins. Hamels is 4-2 with a 2.36 ERA since the All Star Break.  If Hamels keeps it up, he could make a push for Cy Young considerations.

Hamels must love facing the Reds, but the Reds probably do not like facing him.  Against Cincinnati throughout his career, Hamels is 7-0 with a 1.44 ERA.  He has a 0.88 WHIP in 62.2 innings against the Reds.  Reds hitters collectively have a .164 average against him.

Your gamenight beer: A weaker beer for the usually fantastic Anchor Brewery, this is its summer drink. With a hint of lemon, it’s perfect for summer heat. Tonight is one of those warm summer nights; go ahead and enjoy one of these with a grilled cheese sandwich. –By Tim

GO PHILLIES

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  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    “Another reason to like Kevin Frandsen: It’s 25 minutes until game time and he’s signing autographs along the RF line. #classy ”

    That’s from Bob Bookover at the Inky. Nice mention. And good effort, secondary to baseball skill, but still a plus. But imagine of 24 guys (minus Cole tonight did that).

    Batting 2nd again tonight. The shortstop’s hitting 8th.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Fun fact in kiss of death fashion…

    Mr. Howard has batted 12 times against Senor Cueto. The righty has never struck RyHo out.
    Although Cueto’s a righty, that’s still pretty impressive. 4-12 if you’re scoring at home (IF I remembered correctly). The shock of no K’s killed my concentration.

    Fun fact for the fun of it…

    Cole Hamels has a lifetime batting average of .667 versus the guy he tries to move further ahead of in CY12 competition. Showing the actual ratio of hits to AB would crush the confidence you should take from that.

    Swing and a long drive fact…

    Pete Rose once said the Phils nor Reds would ever win a SWorld Series while playing in current homes. Bandbox reference. Cueto’s only yielded 9 dingers this year. That’s pretty good, no matter where home is.

     
    • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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      What a kiss Ken!

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        With 14 at bats now against Cueto, and still no K’s, the chance of that being a marathon French kiss and playing out still exsists. Eventually, even Chris Volstad will K Howard.
        But hopefully, tonight doesn’t play into my mention of it. Good ballgame worthy of better than a Howard K in a key spot.

         
  • Posts: 0 teejvee

    So Utley is batting a sizzling .245. Is the party over for Chase? What do you think?

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I think he’s hitting with more authority than last year, but either way, it’s tough coming back mid sason. Do you ever catch up? I’d like to see him start next year as healthy as his body allows, and a couple months in maybe an answer is obvious, but I’d like to think he’s got some good results left. The timing of his contract expiration (next year) is probably pretty good. Even healthy, he’ll be at an age where most 2B have about had the downhill ride in place. 34.

       
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    I don’t think I’ll ever understand the connection with Martinez. In every aspect, Rollins is better yes, Rollins is having a career worst year but its still 60 pts higher in BA than Martinez and he is better defensively.

    Just doesn’t make sense

     
    • Posts: 5346 Lefty

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      Wait, Brooksy, what doesn’t make sense? Jimmy needed a night off, he’s slumping terribly right now. If not Martinez- who?

       
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    My grand daughter!!!!!!!! How about Frandsen taking SS for a night and Poly at third? Just a thought. Anything other than Martinez

     
    • Posts: 5346 Lefty

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      Yeah, that would be better, what about your granddaughter?

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        i don’t even have a granddaughter and i’d take her over mini mart. and yes i’d try fransden over there. why not ? don’t they want to see if he could be valuable for next year if they knew he could spell a regular at 3 inf. positions.

         
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    How about this setup? Cueto seems to be having a mini melt, we need to shake this tree while its weak

     
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    Its D Brown time…

     
  • Posts: 0 schmenkman

    @teejvee: Is the party over for Utley? Not while he’s still one of the best-hitting players at his position.

    There is a lot more to a player’s worth as a hitter than his batting average. A batting average doesn’t show how much power a player has. Utley has the 2nd highest isolated power (ISO) of any second baseman. This is just the difference between slugging percentage and batting average:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=150&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=10,d

    Batting average gives an idea (but only that) into how much a player gets on base. There are only 5 second basemen with higher OBPs:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=190&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=7,d

    Overall he’s the 4th best hitting second baseman in MLB, whether you use the more mainstream OPS,

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=190&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=9,d

    or the more obscure but more comprehensive wOBA:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=150&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Overall, including his still very good defense, in terms of total value per game he ranks as the 3rd best second baseman in baseball. His only challenge remains staying on the field.

      Utley has in fact declined, but he has declined from an extremely high level. Over the past 7+ years he has been arguably the best at his position of the past 30 years (and behind only Joe Morgan over the past 50 years):

      http://www.thegoodphight.com/2012/2/2/2715299/chase-utley-and-50-years-of-second-basemen

       
      • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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        All true but also true is we win or lose based on what the players do today, not yesterday. There was none better in baseball than Chase Utley, Howard, Utley and Rollins. Between the years of 06 and 2010, I believed we had 3 MVP (one potential) players on our team.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        You seem to have skipped the part about “3rd best second baseman in baseball.” That’s this year, in case it wasn’t clear.

         
      • Posts: 904 schmenkman

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        @teejvee, before the above comment, I had typed another one (which stuck around for a good hour before disappearing) which essentially said this…

        Is the party over for Utley? Not as long as he’s still one of the best hitters at his position. There is a lot more to a hitter’s worth as a hitter than what batting average tells you.

        - BA doesn’t tell you about a hitter’s power, and one second baseman in all of baseball (Cano, by a slight margin) has a higher isolated power. Isolated power (ISO) is the most used measure of pure power, and is just the difference between slugging percentage and batting average.

        - BA hints at but doesn’t tell you how good a hitter is at getting on base. Only 5 second basemen have a higher OBP than Utley.

        - Overall, Utley is the 4th best-hitting second baseman in baseball, whether you use the more mainstream OPS, or the more obscure but more comprehensive wOBA.

         
  • Posts: 3114 Tracey

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    Ugh. Terrible play by Nix. Bad enough to let it go over your head, but then go through your legs on the way back?

     
  • Posts: 3114 Tracey

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    OK, time for the bats to WAKE UP!!!!

     
  • Posts: 3114 Tracey

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    Whee!

     
  • Posts: 5346 Lefty

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    Papelbon in a non save situation, scary.

     
    • Posts: 904 schmenkman

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      Lefty, obviously he’s had some trouble in non-save sits. this year, but these are the stats for his career (including 2012):

      Save Sit: 2.35 ERA, 1.008 WHIP
      non-Sv: 2.45 ERA, 1.006 WHIP

      Not much difference there, so hopefully his troubles earlier were a fluke.

       
      • Posts: 5346 Lefty

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        I’d like to see him get a win right now.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        hey schmenk you’re pretty scrappy yourself with these stats you come out with so fast! do you have a runner or something? do you do taxes? lol anyway good job there schmenk! you are a plethora of information you quote harry the K

         
  • Posts: 2071 Brooks

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    1 Espinosa – Nats
    2 Hill – AZ
    3 Infante – Tigers
    4 Izturis – Angels
    5 Kendrick – Angles
    6 Kinsler – Rangers
    7 Murphy – Mets (only 4 hrs but .287 and 33 doubles)
    8 Pedroia – Red Sox
    9 Phillips – Reds
    10 Walker – Pirates
    11 Scutaro – now with SF
    12 Barney – Cubs
    13 Kipnis – Tribe

    Kinsler and Murphy have a worse fielding percentage than Utley, the rest, better.
    I’m not saying these are all better second basemen than Chase, nor smarter players than Utley but, statistically they are having better seasons offensively.

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Once again, its D Brown time

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    D Brown??

     
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Loved Frandsen’s fake out on Cairo. Awesome. Not awesome was Brown’s bases loaded double play ball; however, it was bound to happen sooner or later. Of course, with this team’s luck it happened right now when we needed a hit or a sac fly. At least Horst is back.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      yea big ed he looked like a halfback avoiding a tackle by a slow LB! and then to be safe! woohoo! he’s a scrappy dude. reminds me of randy ready

       
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    2nd and third with 1 out.. a deep fly ball grounder to deep second?

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Brian Schnieder – love it

     
  • Posts: 0 Brooks

    Here is my teams MVP – go JP!

     
  • Posts: 522 Morris Buttermaker

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    After the playoff loss to the Giants in 2010, I declare Utley over. He reminds me of Nomar. He was an absolute stud for the longest time. And then all of a sudden, a few seemingly minor injuries, and he was done. I remembered getting annoyed with him for not running for a grounder. I watched the replay and realized he was running.

    I’m trying for the reverse jinx here with him batting right now.

     
    • Posts: 904 schmenkman

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      Ah. I thought you were serious. Got me Buttermaker!

       
  • Posts: 522 Morris Buttermaker

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    I use Chrome usually. I often have posts that just hang around after I hit posts. I’m not sure if other browsers do that too.

     
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Dom Brown second time with bases loaded and the winning run on third, and he…hits a little bouncer. Ugh. C’mon guys. For God’s sake.

     
  • Posts: 522 Morris Buttermaker

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    Whoo hoo! Sole possession of 3rd place!

     
  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    Finally!!! Hell Yeah! Nice win boys! Come from behind win, and the bullpen held! GO PHILS!

     
 
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