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Minor League Notes: A Return and Promotions

Posted by Jay Floyd, Wed, August 01, 2012 07:00 AM | Comments: 70
Fightins, IronPigs, Minor Leagues, Posts, Prospecting

Outfielder Tyson Gillies (pictured), who was suspended from the Double A Reading Phillies recently, following an altercation with the team bus driver, is expected to return to action as early as this Friday, August 3rd.  Gillies confirmed exclusively for PhoulBallz.com that he will initially  play for the Gulf Coast League Phillies, prior to a return to the upper levels.

The 23-year-old lefty batter, who was acquired from Seattle in the 2009 Cliff Lee trade, posted a .294 batting average with 2 homers and 16 RBI in 46 games prior to the suspension in what has turned into another injury plagued season. Gillies missed a lengthy stretch with a concussion this year following a pair of seasons when he had been shelved with hamstring and foot problems.

Outfielder Domonic Brown, who spent time with the big league club in each of the past two seasons, finally made his return to the Phillies roster on Tuesday. Following the departures of Hunter Pence and Shane Victorino, the Phils had voids that the 24-year-old will happily attempt to fill.

Brown, a left-handed hitter, had posted a .310 average with 5 home runs and 32 RBI in 65 minor league contests this season. In his first MLB at bat of 2012, Brown laced a pinch single against Nationals reliever Henry Rodriguez on Tuesday.

The Phillies’ 20th round draft choice from 2006, Brown, had a career .236 batting average with 7 HR and 32 RBI in 91 big league games prior to his most recent call up.

In other promotion news, two Double-A Reading All-Stars are on the move upward as well. Headed to Triple-A Lehigh Valley are catcher Sebastian Valle and second baseman Cesar Hernandez.

Through 83 games this season, the 22-year-old Valle batted .261 while mashing 13 homers and driving in 45 runs. Also worthy of note is that Valle did not commit an error with the R-Phils.

The switch-hitting Hernandez, also 22, posted a .304 average with 26 doubles, 11 triples, 2 HR and 51 RBI in 103 games this season in the Eastern League.

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  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    never a big brown fan but i hope he does well and wish him luck! he looks better at the plate from what i can see his arms aren’t way up in the air! that’s a good sign cause if they were he would have never made contact on that 98mph FB! he did, and shot it right up the middle! good at bat dom!

    jay it’s good to see some of the better players starting to get to the AAA level! so far cloyd, pettibone now hernandez and valle, i was hoping that castro will move up also he’s having a fine year at AA.it starting to finally happen, some of our players who seemed years away at one time are getting closer to being counted on as depth for the big club! it’ll be nice to see when an injurie occurs that we can reach down to AAA and call someone up.

    from scouring the minors i see a few guys on a fast track. some of these guys deserve it . when i hear people say we don’t have anything in the minors they don’t know anything. if they would say at the high level then yea right now no! but that’s not the case now.

    i think they should try darin ruf in left. what do you think? as far as a hitter goes he looks to be a rare breed as a power hitter! patient, will take a walk, high obp, and a deep threat! and hits for ave. what’s your take on him jay?

     
    • Posts: 0 Alex

      I’m excited to hear about the promotions too Ryne, but most of these players are at positions we don’t need. We don’t need a catcher next year and all of the outfielders won’t be ready either. We needed to get a 3rd base/OF prospect back, not relief pitching. That is a position that can always be filled cheaply in the off-season. You don’t find many relief pitchers that were home grown and are lights out year after year. I have a feeling next year will just be like this year, a bunch of platoons and expecting fill-ins to have a career year. You can only hit the lottery so many times like we did with Werth and Vic (to a lesser extent).

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        yea alex i hear ya. i understand that we don’t need a catcher this year but chooch is 33 we might need one in 2 yrs. it’ll be nice to know that we’ll have a seasoned AAA catcher who’s only about 22-23 with another one right behind him. and hernandez is a 2cd basemen who’s also very young and utley’s contract is up in i think a fter 14? i’m not sure. but it’ll nice again that we’ll have someone to move up if he goes down next year. and as far as castro. well amaro’s probably gonna sign a free agent to fill one of the positions. but again if someone goes down with an injury nice to be able to call someone up ! in the last few yearswe always had to make a deal to bring someone in to fill in and we traded minor guys. we can have backups available at a few key positions now and as fas as the pitching goes… ya never have enough of that and the phils are! believe it or not loaded with pitching in the minors not all of them but at almost every level we have 1 or 2 standout pitchers whith a high ceiling. i think we’re all gonna be surprised in the next 3-4 yrs how many of them are gonna filter up.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        i forgot to address your comment concerning third base! yea i was hoping they’d get one or at least a prospect. we have a couple in the minors that look good but they’re too far away to help us now! cody asche was promoted from AA to AAA and struggled at first but seemed to be doing better. i don’t really know what their plans are for him. at this point where we stand i’d bring him up now to see if he can cut it. then again i’m not running the show.lol wish i was it’d be fun.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        @Alex: Vic – to a lesser extent? Maybe, but he was still one of the best outfielders in the NL the past few years. Defnitely a lottery winner.

        Best NL outfielders, 2008-12:

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=of&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2008&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

         
      • Posts: 0 Alex

        It wasn’t a knock on Vic, I just felt like Werth contributed to the championship than Vic. I’ve always like having Vic in the outfield and wish they would have batted him as a lead-off over Rollins for years. I would not be surprised (or upset) if they resign Vic in the off-season. I think this year just proves that you cannot (usually) win championships with a platoon. I don’t see how they go into next year with a platoon in center, dom brown in RF/LF, and a platoon in the other OF position. The guy they got from SF is a great player… in a platoon. We need every day players.

        @Ryne: we will need infielders eventually as the vets age. I was just surprised that RAJ took a catcher that we already have a similar player in the same level over one of their OF prospects. I think you are right, that in 3-4 years a lot of our minor leaguers will be up in the bigs, but what does that mean for the next 3-4 years? Polanco is gone after this year, Utley and Chooch are free agents after next. Good, young 3rd basemen are very hard to find/very expensive. I was personally really pulling for a trade for Upton or Headley. If we could have fixed our infield at the trade deadline I would have had a lot more confidence going into the off-season. But we didn’t, we made our bullpen slightly stronger. Relief pitching is CHEAP, and you don’t need them if you can’t score any runs. Case in point: Cliff Lee’s win total this year.

         
    • Posts: 304 Jay Floyd

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      Hey, Ryne. Ruf is a very focused individual. You mention the Phils giving him a shot in the OF and he’s had it. Ruf has played double digit games in LF this season.

      I like him as a prospect, but he’s older at 25, so I worry about him falling into that Rizzotti classification of guys that never get their shot with the Phillies. Overbeck is probably in that realm as well.

       
      • Posts: 853 schmenkman

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        I was wondering what happened to Rizzotti, and from what I can tell, he got off to a rough start with Minnesota’s AAA Rochester affiliate, hitting .246/.268/.304 in the first month. He was demoted to AA New Britain, where he did better, 225/.357/.343, but was then released.

        He was signed by Oakland in early July and assigned to AA Midland, where in the first month, he hit .296/.356/.463. So a tough year for him, but hopefully he can impress someone now that he seems to have found his stroke again.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        yea jay i had heard he did play some left but i didn’t know how much. and i know he’s at least 25. although that’s not old it is around the time you have to start thinking about what you’re gonna do with him. or else he will fall into that catagorie as did rizzoti and now overbeck.

        howard was 25 i think when he finally came up. i understand that the reason why the org. doesn’t bring these guys up. if you’re fighten for a penant it’s understandable to not have a rookie in a premium position. if i remember howard was brought up cause thome was going to be out for a considerable amount of time. and i remember the fans clamoring for him to be brought up. i also remember something like if the brought him up before a certain date that it would affect his arb. eligability date! i mean it would add a year or something like that. and i think if they had brought him up asap maybe his contract would be up this year if he had signed one earlier and maybe we wouldn’t be saddled with it for the next 5 yrs.

        now that was in the cheap yrs lol. the position they’re in this year i question that if you have a guy who is a good hitter like that why not bring him up and have him spell howard at first and play some left. we could use another RH bat. can he be any worse than pat the bat. ibanez, or pierre? now is the time to find out about some of these players. the only thing we got right noe is positioning for a draft pick spot! everybody says you never know if you’re gonna hit the jackpot like vic or werth. but if you don’t try? you never know we might have a diamond in the ruf! get it? my dumb humor there.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        jay i didn’t put it my first reply to your post . but i failed to mention that the classification you refered to for rizzoti and overbeck doesn’t apply to ruf cause he’s hit basically at every level almost the same. and he’s at AAA now having his best year! so at 25 yrs of age they should find a spot for him. he looks like a keeper. and just like utley and howard they’ll keep him down and when and if they finally bring him up it’ll be tha same old same old! why didn’t they bring that guy up sooner? i remember the crap they mentioned about utley wasn’t a good fielder guy can hit but there’s a question about his defense! howard.. he has power but doesn’t turn on the ball can’t play left (we tried him there) blah blah. galvis can’t hit we know he’s a terrific fielder blah blah then he comes up and lives up to his fielding part but wahhah although he didn’t surprise us with a high ave. tuens out the kid has some moxey at the plate and some power to the alleys!( and i don’t think that positive test had anything to do with that) my point is they always downplay certain players and play up others who turn out not so good . which leads me to question the org. ability to evaluate talent or are just downright scared to try someone due to the backlash they’d get from the press and the fans if that player fails!

         
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    hey guys wanna hear something funny? i had a dream last night. now picture this… about two weeks from now. cholly is on csn’s daily news live doing a pregame on field interview.he’s asked the question.. so charlie what do you think of the vic and pence trades with the new players, and the waiver wire deals that brought in more new player?.. well i definately think that it’s a good thing! you know trying to get better… but i gotta tell ya (chuckle chuckle) it’s definately you know i mean it’s kinda like grand central around here every day it seems like somebody new is showing up and somebody is leaving! like it’s strange you know!

    now as he’ answering the quetion.. in the background rubes waiving to the reporter to get charlies attention and standing next to rube is ryne sandberg! lol

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      I would imagine that Ryne Sandberg takes over this team in 2014 regardless of what happens next year …. Charlie’s contract expires after next season, and I can’t see them extending him again and leaving Sandberg hanging..?

       
      • Posts: 0 Alex

        That’s IF Sandberg doesn’t leave this off-season. Remember he was very close last off-season. I think if he isn’t brought up to be on the big league staff this year he’s gone. And Chuck is not the type of manager to have his replacement on his staff…

         
      • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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        I would think it might be wise to somehow work that out THIS offseason….give Sandberg some assurances that he’s in their future plans. Not sure how they’d do that exactly.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        yea don. the only thing i worry about is if sandberg gets plucked up by another team. then what? if i were the phils, rather than fire him move him up in the org somewhere and promote sandberg asap after this seasons done. personally i’ve never been a big fan of charlies managerial skills and i think he’s gone past whatever effectiveness he did have.

        with that said, i think as a jesture to him because we did win a WS you don’t actually fire him but move him to a position that he might be better suited for. what that is i don’t know . butlike i said even though i think he’s lacking i think he should be respected for what the team has accomplished during his time here. and as an org. i don’t think the phils should let sandberg even get the chance to go somewhere. we’re gonna need someone who know the players coming up and is a good game skills manager. i whine about him all the time but i’ll give him his due respect. but we need a change at his position too! i think it’s real important going forward to the next era or philly greatness.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I remain perplexed about the obsession with Sandberg. There are 30 AAA managers, 30 more AA managers, about 120 MLB coaches, and so on. What makes Sandberg the best candidate to replace Manuel, let alone the heir apparent?

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        Schenkman . . . I agree completely . . . but when you look at this organization, and who they hire:
        Francona (not sure how he got the job- Though I remeber in an interview he said that he took that job because they all knew it would be a losing team, he just wanted to start getting experience as a Manager.. so it might have been slim pickings for interested managers)…,
        Bowa, former player,
        Charlie Manuel, because Thome wanted him . . .

        from where I stand it doesn’t look like they do any exhaustive search for their Manager- nor do they know what they are looking for. I was pissed when we didn’t get Jim Leyland … and I think that everyone knows that Charlie is “great at managing a clubhouse, but not great at managing a baseball game” . . . I think that sums him up perfectly.

        I don’t know that Sandberg will be a good coach, I don’t know what he knows about baseball…but I do know that the Phillies have a history of rewarding their own ..and I think they would be most comfortable with Sandberg as the replacement for Manuel

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Also yesterday- the Phillies released Philadelphia native- Frank Gailey (acquired from TOR in the Ben Francisco deal) …

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    schmenk – I agree. There is no guarantee whatsoever that he’s gonna be a great manager or the manager that THIS team needs. Everyone thought Larry Bowa was going to be this great manager and we all see how that worked out. And Charlie was thought of as a poor choice at the time but his record from 2006-2011 speaks for itself.

    Sandberg is probably the logical choice and probably deserves a shot at least…but let’s wait and see what he does for a few years before we think of him as the next Casey Stengel or Sparky Anderson.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Good to see espn reporters give us the gold for worst trades

    No third baseman or outfielder in the trades. Good job ruby

     
    • Posts: 0 Don M

      Freeing up money to spend in the offseason counts for something, right ??

      If we sign Bourn because we gave up Pence . . . and in the Pence deal we brought back a 4th OF… a legit Catching prospect… a young Strikeout pitching prospect …. too many people are grading the trades before you see any result from them

      And with Victorino . . . it was either draft picks, or what we got – that said, I think we got a good arm in Lindblom, and they got a “high-ceiling” AA starter …..

      I don’t think they were the greatest trades in the world, but they were far from the worst. The only 3b worth trading for were off limits in any deals … unless you really love Cox? .. the guy the Marlins got from the Cards (he has only 37 errors in his 202 games in the minor leagues)

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        you got it DonM. iwas pissed when the D-backs got that 3rd baseman chris johnson off the stros! i had mentioned to my son watching the phils play them earlier in the year that that guy looks like a stud. i never dreamed they’d trade him! after i found out about that trade i thought why’d we miss out on that? ya think having wade back with us that he would have told rube?

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Actually, with Victorino, it was either what we got, a sandwich draft pick OR Victorino on a one year deal at ~$12.5 million. The Phillies could have offered him a qualifying offer after the season (which is the average of the top 125 salaries in baseball), which I think there’s a good chance he takes. If not, then they get the draft pick compensation.

        To be honest, I don’t think Lindblom isn’t anything they don’t already have in Schwimer, DeFratus, Horst, etc. He’s an extreme fly-ball pitcher who’s had trouble keeping the ball in Chavez Ravine(!!). I don’t think it’s a huge issue one way or the other, but it seems with the return they got that the better move might have been keeping him the rest of the way. Although getting under the luxury tax is probably beneficial for both this season and next, so I suppose that should be taken into account as well.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        Eric, as it turns out, the qualifying offer will be more like $13.4 million. That would have been too much money to risk for Victorino, so they would have gotten nothing. I’m sure the front office had done the calculations before they traded him.

        I also believe, like you, that getting under the lux tax will be a big benefit.

         
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    As counter intuitive and unfulfilling as this may sound:

    We get rid of Pence and his $14m for next year. Since its now all about next year we don’t care what pence does this year. We picked up financial flexibility and dumped a salary onto another contending team. People talk about the players that Ruben got back for Pence. To my way thinking, the best player Ruben got in the deal will be the player he signs next year with Pence’s money who, if Ruben does his job right (which is no guarantee), will present much better value then Pence.

    I am starting to think that MLB is getting closer to the NBA in that if you are an NBA GM and you can dump a massive contract on someone you are a hero. Long story short: Ruben was in payroll hell and he had to get out. The money he dumped was the star of his trades. I’m glad he got at least a modicum of potential in the players we actually did receive.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 853 schmenkman

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      Well said, Dipsy. I would put a little more importance on the players he got back (assets to develop and either use or trade), but otherwise completely agree.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    With the Phillies having such a lousy record . . . that might help us in Waiver claims . . . there is talk that the Astros would be open to moving Jed Lowrie (mainly a SS, but has played 2b, 3b in the past) . . . with only the Rockies, Cubs, and Padres having worse records than us … would the Phillies put in a claim on Lowrie?

    Rockies and Padres don’t really need 3b . . . I think the Cubs do, since they went after Ian Stewart ….. any chance this happens to attempt to fill the 3b hole for next season?

     
    • Posts: 5189 Lefty

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      I’m not in love with Jed Lowrie, per say, although he’s a decent enough player. (actually pretty good in fantasy)

      But more importantly – your point that we will have a better shot at the players that get put on waivers is a great one. If they keep their eyes on that wire, there can be hidden gold in them thar hills.

       
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        I’m not in love with Jed Lowrie either . . . but he’s perhaps a better option at 3b than Michael Martinez, or Ty Wigginton . . .

        If Cesar Hernandez can give some competition for a future 2b job, that gives us another option with him and Galvis . . .

        it’s all about having depth, having options.. and I think Lowrie would be a decent option- probably better than any Free Agent .. and likely a lot cheaper to obtain (and in salary?) than Chase Headley … just thinking outside the box a little

         
      • Posts: 0 Alex

        Lowrie doesn’t wow me, but in our situation, I think he would be a perfect fit for us. He’s young (28) and a solid defender. He won’t bring us much offensively (.260) but we haven’t gotten ANYTHING from our 3rd basemen in a few years. I also like the fact that he can play multiple infield positions if necessary since our infield is getting older. This would open up our ability to move Rollins to 3rd, let Utley walk at the end of his contract, or cover the plethora of injuries we will surely have. He is also cheap (1.13 mil) and would allow us to focus the money we will have this off-season on getting a young, talented OF.

        I would regain some faith in RAJ if this happened.

         
      • Posts: 853 schmenkman

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        Saying he’s a .260 hitter doesn’t really do him justice and highlights why batting average is better left to the dustbin of history.

        This year he leads all shortstops in BB%, so he has gotten on base at a .343 clip. He also has shown very good power, with 16 doubles and 14 home runs in 80 games. All told, he’s been the second-best hitting shortstop in baseball this year, just behind Desmond, and ahead of even Tulowitzki, after adjusting for the parks they play in.

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=1&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

        Overall, he’s 4th in the majors, between Rollins and Reyes:

        http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=200&type=8&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

         
      • Posts: 0 Alex

        The guy is not the answer to our offensive woes…. it’s a stretch to say he is. Any production is better than any 3rd baseman we have been playing there lately.

         
      • Posts: 853 schmenkman

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        Who said he’d be the answer to our offensive woes? He’s not a third baseman, but I agree – not only has he hit better than any the Phillies have, he’s also hit better than most MLB third basemen.

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        I don’t even know if he can really play 3b …. he’s primarily a SS …but Wigginton and Fontenot aren’t really 3b either . . .

        If you can get someone young, cheap . . .and effective.. it’s worth looking into. We’ve been so good the past few seasons that the Waivers didn’t leave us any real options- but now we’ll have 3rd or 4th crack at any players put on waivers …. the worst team from each league gets the first chance to make a claim . .

        so since the #1 worst team, the Houston Astros, are making him available – that leaves only the 3 other teams to try to claim Lowrie . . . two of which don’t need a 3b (Padres, Rockies), two of which don’t need a SS (Cubs, Rockies) . . . so if the Cubs wanted to to go after Lowrie for 3b, they could .. or if the Padres wanted to go after Lowrie for SS, they could .. otherwise, the Phillies would have a crack at him . . . . . and I think that might be a realistic option?

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    @ EricL . . . I agree to a point . . . the fact that Lindblom has had some sucess at the MLB level is the difference between him and the guys you mentioned .

    Entering this season, I thought the fact that we had so many young, talented arms in the pen (or at AAA) was going to give us great depth in the pen – and that it would be a team strength . . but injuries to Stutes and DeFratus . . I’m not sure what is up with Schwimer (great in AAA, less than great in MLB) … I look at it as them gaining a guy under team control, that K’s enough batters that he has a chance to a late-inning reliever, something every team needs – and they fill that role for a smaller salary than an established setup man manking $3 M or so

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      Schwimer has looked good lately but I still cringe when I see him coming into a game. There’s no guarantee he’ll maintain any level of consistency. And there’s also no guarantee that Stutes, DeFratus or even Herndon will be totally healthy and effective next year. The hope is that all can bounce back. So acquiring a young 25 year old pitcher with some success and under team control til 2018 (!) …to me… was completely necessary and warranted.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    When Pat Gillick dumped Bobby Abreu in 2006, Shane Victorino took over in rightfield. Today, with Victorino joining the Dodgers, Abreu gets designated for assignment.

     
  • Posts: 0 The Sarge

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    Follow him on Twitter @the_sarge36

    Oh My!! It’s cadillac time!!

     
  • Posts: 980 betasigmadeltashag

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    I really do not get some of you sometime, most of you were clamering to trade these guys weeks ago to give us money to sign Cole or get a 3rd baseman for next year and to fill holes in the OF that were coming up next year. Now RAJ pulls the trigger on the trades dumps 14 million in the Pence deal, got something for Vic who was probably get something in FA this off season and got somethings. RAJ got what he could, so know they have 3 catching prospects, not only does it build depth in your minor league system, maybe it is a chip that gets Chase Headly that some of you have been whinning about getting for a year, or maybe the money gets Bourne back in a Phillies uniform. Who knows, what we do know is this team as put together had problems. I like Hunter think he is a good player a fringe All-Star and was getting paid what he was worth. A guy going to give you 25-30 hr this year and probablly around 100 RBI’s that plays some questionable Defense those guys get 10-14 million a year. But I really do not think he was a good fit for this club, no a contact on base guy they need, like Poly when healthy was that guy with strong defense and a perfect #2 hitter, but injuries and inconsistant AB moved him down in the line up. So what do you guys want to have RAJ trade Vic and Pence and get Josh Hamilton from the Rangers to make you happy, Send Vic to the Braves for Bourne straight up, then sign him to an extention today.
    RAJ got what he could and cleared some space for this off season, pick up some prospects that may or may not turn into MLB main stays, deepened the Phillies farm system so maybe create a trade in the off season or next season if something does not work out. But I still believe a 100% Ryan and Chase and Chooch and JRoll can be a core of a team next year that you can hide 2 guys(Brown JMJ) in the outfield that hit .230. As long as you pay a 3rd baseman withe either good power numbers or OB% and average.
    And who knows maybe Vic comes back for 2-3 years at 10-11 million dollars once he enters FA. So give the guy a break he did his job the fire sale is on which most of you wanted now do not turn around and bitch about it especially when it is not done

     
    • Posts: 0 Alex

      I’m perfectly happy with what we got for Vic. And I think Vic will give us last dibs on beating any offer on the open market. As far as the Pence trade, I don’t think it was a great move. I agree, getting rid of Pence’s salary is great. It is. However the goal of that was to replace that salary with a young, controlled outfielder/3B to allow us to actually free up money for free agency this winter. Because of what we got back for Vic/Pence, you now have to take that 14m and subtract paying players to play both the outfield and 3B. I love how everyone likes Bourn. I hope we all realize he’s going to be expensive as a FA. Probably in the 10-12m range. So you really save 2M, still have ATLEAST one platoon going on in the outfield, and still have 3B to pay….

       
    • Posts: 0 Alex

      And yes, Pence’s defense was questionable at best. Loved his attitude, hated watching the bee-line he would make to a fly ball.

       
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Are you effing serious???!!! The Phillies DFA’d Fontenot to make room for MiniMart. Really???? Just WHAT is the fascination with this guy??? Jesus!

     
    • Posts: 0 Alex

      Probably because of the play Fontenot made (or didn’t make) at 3B the other day… not saying it’s right

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        alex if that’s the reason why then mini mart has given them a lot more reasons to not be here! i just wanna know if mini mart has something on somebody ? does he have pictures of wheeler in his little schoolgirl uniform? are there pictures with uncle charlie in the shower with mm? what hte hell is that bum doing here?

         
    • Posts: 5189 Lefty

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      Methinks they don’t expect Polly back anytime soon. Frandsen and Martinez to play third.

       
      • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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        Will Frandsen even stay with the addition of Schierholtz and Lindblom? Brown and Schneider took Vic’s and Pence’s roster spots.

         
      • Posts: 5189 Lefty

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        Good question, I hope they keep him. If this turns into Mini Mart for Frandsen and Fontenot, I’ll be a more than a little pissed. I guess they could send Kratz back down, so he can keep active as opposed to sitting around.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Just saw that Diekman and Savery were optioned to Lehigh Valley.

        http://philadelphia.phillies.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=phi#month=8&year=2012&team_id=143

         
      • Posts: 0 Alex

        Saw Polanco at the mall the other day… he looked fine haha

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Chuck A . . . does it really matter .. Font vs MiniMart ?….. if you’re not winning anyway, might as well see if Martinez (who can at least play some Defense at 3b), can grow at all . . . or maybe see if he can play some CF if Mayberry continues to struggle

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      This is no longer a roster with any depth in centerfield.

      The Phils have kept Martinez hanging because they are of the opinion he can play multiple positions, including centerfield.

      I believe that’s the reason he’s back up.

      The other option is they are trying to piss fans off.

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Good point. Between those two, I’m sure you’ve nailed it.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        In DFAing Fontenot, maybe some other team will make a waiver claim, and the Phils could actually gain a warm body. Martinez would only get them a dead body.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        hahahahahahaha! ken you got it man i’m pissed!

         
  • Posts: 0 Dan

    What are the chances that they try converting Hernandez to 3b?

     
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Don, that’s true. I guess I’d rather that they give some time to this guy, Frandsen. He looks like he can play 3rd and certainly can hit a little.

     
  • Posts: 5189 Lefty

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    Interesting that Bobby Abreu gets DFA’d to make room for Victorino.

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    I agree with Chuck. When i saw the Martinez recall news, I threw up a little in my mouth.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Let mini mart play. Who cares? Maybe the Phils feel they need to know a little bit more about him. Fontenot is nothing special. With the mode the Phils are in, I think the team thinks its more important to play the guys they need to know about as opposed to the better player. SEE: Mini Mart. Dom.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Minimart is like that tiki idol in the Brady Bunch Hawaii episode. He just won’t go away.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      he’s the proverbial fruitcake it goes away then all of a sudden it shows up at your door and you go WTF! you ship it out and OMG it’s friggin back!

       
  • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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    Just heard that Schierholtz, Frandsen AND Kratz are all in tonight’s lineup. Wow. The new-look Phillies.

     
    • Posts: 0 Alex

      Yeah the new-look Phillies look real similar to if you put three of us out there

       
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      all we need now is feliz for third, hernandez for 2cd, and half our starters name will end in Z !
      we can put martinez at short. trade for car-go! then we’re up to six!

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    I didnt read all the comments. I can say the Phillies needed catching prospects badly. Valle as i understand strikes out at a incredible rate. We also need a back up catcher. Could the Phils fast track one of these catchers in to the Majors next year as a back up to Chooch? Probably not but they are in need in this position.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Valle swings at everything. This year he’s struck out 25.3% of the time, still less than Mayberry (26.7%), but more than Wigginton (23.1%) for a frame of reference.

      More of an issue, to me, is that he’s only walked 3.3% of the time (lowest on the Phillies is Galvis at 3.5%), which means that despite an otherwise respectable .261 average, his OBP is a pitiful .280.

      Joseph has struck out less (19.1%), and walked more (7.5%), but overall as hitters there’s not a lot of separation between the two.

      Valle: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa455750&position=C
      Joseph: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa500806&position=C

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        thanks ! after the mini mart call up, my depression went deep! now knowing this it sunk another 2 notches!

         
      • Posts: 853 schmenkman

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        They’re catchers, so they don’t have to hit a ton to be valuable (either as replacements or in a trade).

        Also, they’re only 22 and 21, so they may still figure some things out.

        And I didn’t mention that they have some decent pop – Joseph had 22 homers last year (only 8 so far this year), and Valle has 13.

         
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Nice thanks for the info Schmenkman

     
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