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Lee Helped by Rollins, Brown in Phillies Win

Posted by Pat Gallen, Mon, September 17, 2012 09:50 PM | Comments: 23
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Earlier today on our Phillies Nation twitter account (@PhilliesNation), I posted this:

Well, it happened. Cliff Lee was awesome tonight, fanning 10 Mets in eight innings as the Phillies held on for a 3-1 victory.

Jimmy Rollins and Domonic Brown supplied the offense, both going yard to right field; Rollins in the fifth inning, Brown in the seventh, both off starter and Cy Young candidate R.A. Dickey. Jonathan Papelbon supplied the other arm, closing down the Mets in order in the ninth for his 35th save.

For J-Roll, it was his 21st of the season. CSN put up an interesting graphic regarding Jimmy: He’s had four seasons of 20 homers and 30 steals, only Bobby Bonds (9) and son Barry Bonds (7) have had more. That’s how good he’s been for such a long period of time in this town.

For Dom, it was his fourth bomb of the season; he also added a triple to raise his average to .248 on the season. He homered over the weekend, so he’s starting to flash some of that power we were all hoping to see.

But it was all about Lee pushing the Phillies to within 3 1/2 games of the second wild card in the National League. They needed that shutdown performance from him, something he was able to provide for most of last season, but has been relatively sparse this year. That’s not to say Lee hasn’t been the victim of bad luck and bad play by his offense – but I think we all know he hasn’t been as crisp as in 2011.

For him to come out and take control from the start was key. It was apparent even prior to first pitch he would need to do that against a very good knuckleballer in Dickey, a guy who has been one of the best in baseball all year. With runs hard to come by, Lee was ace.

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  • Posts: 2067 Brooks

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    Stellar performance by Lee, yes but how about some kudos for the man who shut the door? Again. Everyone has some performances they’d like to wash but for the major part of JP’s stay here he has been dominant.
    Save # 35 for the 50 million dollar man.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Must win.
    Now still need a lot of help.

    I also like blocking RA Dickey from a cy.
    Not that I personaly dont like him. Its a good story.

    But dont want the muts or there fans to get any satisfaction.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      i missed most of the game. all i saw was the first inning and the last inning. my son filled me in on the nuts and bolts of the game! good going phils!
      it was nice to see after pounding dickey all weekend. that they pounded the real dickey tonight!

       
    • Posts: 0 JM

      Check out R.A. Dickey’s interview on NPR by Philly’s own (and Phillies fan) Dave Davies. He has a great story. I’d have no real problem with him getting a Cy Young.

       
  • Posts: 4128 Lefty

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    “The problem with Lee as I see it, is consistency. He is absolutely brilliant for a month, then not so much, then back again. He HAS to stay hot for them to keep winning. Doc and Cole have been “pedestrian” in their last outings, and KK just can’t keep this up (can he?) We need Lee to be that 2009 guy or this could be over quickly.”

    I wrote this 2 days ago in response to a posting by Ian, before the last 2 losses. Cliff must have heard us Pat.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    They didnt pound dickey but they did get off a little.

    Sarges call of the game.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ-zRNQGiaY

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    11 :42 PM

    And the Cubs Pirates game just started!

    Love September baseball.

    Go cubbies

     
  • Posts: 0 Whatever

    “They needed that shutdown performance from him, something he was able to provide for most of last season, but has been relatively sparse this year.”

    I’ll agree that Cliff Lee hasn’t in general been as crisp as last year but he has pitched well and desrves much, much better than what his record indicates. His shutdown performances haven’t been that sparse. He has for whatever reason often drawn the ace pitcher of an opposing team.and in head-to-head match-ups against Matt Cain, Clayton Kershaw, Steven Strasberg, RA Dickey, Josh Johnson, and Tim Hudson he has thrown 47 innings and given up only 3 runs!! That’s pretty shutdown to me!

     
  • Posts: 4128 Lefty

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    The year of injuries, platoons, and trades. The Phillies have only one regular starter with enough AB’s to qualify in MLB stats. This link may not work, if not go to MLB site, then stats and regular season leaders. Jimmy Roliins is the only Phillie that qualifies out of 144 players. That’s almost unbelievable.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp?c_id=mlb&tcid=mm_mlb_stats#elem=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Player+hitting&sectionType=sp&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1347963519775&sortColumn=ops&sortOrder='desc'&extended=0

     
  • Posts: 1180 Manny

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    You’d think that after the Astros series we’d be out of it by a considerable margin… but the other teams in the wild card race (with the exception of the Brewers) aren’t really doing anything to help their cause. Phillies just gotta keep winning and things will sort themselves out in our favor. Gotta finish off the Mets (a sweep is almost necessary) and then it’s Braves-Nats-Fish-Nats. Some tough series for sure. 3.5 out. Not dead but gotta keep up with our pre-Astros winning pace.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      agreed manny. as i see it for some reason and i don’t know why, but they play down to their oponant. i was more concerned about them playing the stros and the mets , rather than the nats and braves.

       
  • Posts: 0 Go Cliff!

    A couple of Cliff Lee notes from Elias Sports:

    Cliff Lee has pitched at least six innings and not issued more than one walk in each of his last 14 starts, including Monday, when he walked one batter in eight innings against the Mets. That ties Lee for the longest single-season streak of that kind in modern (since 1900) major-league history. Christy Mathewson (1908) and Greg Maddux (1997) also made 14 straight starts in which they went six or more innings and didn’t walk more than one batter.

    Cliff Lee just recorded his 4th 10-K game of the season and his 19th since the start of 2010, easily the most in the majors.

     
  • Posts: 2919 Chuck A.

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    Manny – Not dead is right. But in ICU with plenty of tubes and wires all over the place. That Astros series was the equivalent of the coffin nail being started. Gotta….repeat.. GOTTA sweep the Mets. With PIT and MIL battling it out the Phils have to keep pace. A LOT has to happen here:

    Using realistic expectations the Phils can pick up a 1/2 game and be 3 out by the start of the weekend IF:

    1) They win the next 2 against NYM
    2) MIL loses 2 of 3 on the road against PIT
    3) STL wins 2 of 3 at home against HOU
    4) LAD loses 2 of 3 on the road against WAS

    Then over the weekend they can pick up a full game and be 2 out IF:

    1) They win 2 of 3 at home against ATL
    2) STL loses 2 of 3 on the road against CHC
    3) LAD loses 2 of 3 on the road against CIN
    4) PIT loses 2 of 3 on the road against HOU
    5) MIL loses 2 of 3 on the road against WAS

    Of course, these are a lot of what-ifs and maybes…a lot else can happen, too….like sweeps in or not in our favor. I just tried to look at the schedule and think about what was realistically possible But to be 2 out by the end of the week is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY if this team has any shot at all. And, even with that, it’s an uphill battle with 9 games left after this weekend.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      i don’t think you’re unrealistic at all chuck! it’s all totally possible. it’s not as though those other teams are juggernaughts. the only one i’m worried about is milwaukee. they seem to be playing better than the others. but all those teams have pitching problems and are catchable . our biggest hurdle is we have to win win win. that’ll solve the problem.

      now with that said chuck. as much as i’d like them to get into the post season i hope it doesn’t alter their thinking on the needs that they have going into next year. i’d hate like hell for them to think hey we’re not that far off! then we’ll be reliving this nightmare next year too. a man has only so much hair to lose ya know?

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        I really don’t think that if they make it to the post-season that it will affect front office thinking in the least. Everyone knows that 2nd wild cart slot was set up to make money, not to prove a team is worth a damn. Taking that route to the playoffs would be like thinking you’ve hit a home run when you’ve scored on four errors by the opposition.

         
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Well, you have 9 scenarios laid out. Only 1 of which is a sweep, the Phils V the Mets. The non sweeps, just as a headliner, make things seem at least fractionally possible. It’d be just like this taunting team to taunt to the end. Course the odds of a 9-9 wish list perfecting out are slim, but there isn’t anything on the list that seems impossible. I don’t know about the Pirates losing 2 of 3 at Houston though. Cubs beating the Cards 2 of 3 is sort of a longshot, but the spoiler incentive is sure there in that rivalry. I wanna come back to this by weekend conclusion, and see how it played out. Pretty good blueprint, overall. Execution, executon, execution.

      1) They win the next 2 against NYM
      2) MIL loses 2 of 3 on the road against PIT
      3) STL wins 2 of 3 at home against HOU
      4) LAD loses 2 of 3 on the road against WAS
      1) They win 2 of 3 at home against ATL
      2) STL loses 2 of 3 on the road against CHC
      3) LAD loses 2 of 3 on the road against CIN
      4) PIT loses 2 of 3 on the road against HOU
      5) MIL loses 2 of 3 on the road against WAS

       
  • Posts: 0 JMills

    Lee had it going last night and it was a pleasure to watch. Couldn’t believe he hit 95mph late in the game. Dom Brown looked very good at the plate, much more aggressive. Somebody please explain to me how Utley/Galvis is better than Frandsen/Utley at third/second.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      one of my biggest cocerns with brown was his defense. well from what i’ve seen so far he must have worked at it because in case no one noticed he’s tracking and catching the ball rather well! i think he’ll be fine at the plate. he seems to have a good approach and eye. his ave. doesn’t look that good but i think he’ll be way better than that over the long haul. my other concern was his ability to stay on the field and be healthy! if he can do that i think he’s gonna be a good player. which would be a big improvement over how i felt about him last year and the year before. in my eyes he doesn’t have to be great just play within himself and he’ll be good.i think they should try him in center. sandberg was saying before they brought him up that he was playing there rather well.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      Galvis plays better defense and Frandsen has never proven himself on a long term basis except in the minors.

      The real issue here, though, is that 2nd base this offseason will probably be easier to fill than 3rd base. I don’t believe for a minute that Galvis is plan A at 2nd. He may not even be fully recovered from his back injury.

      I think the whole idea is an attempt to take some of the stress off Utley’s knees. There’s no double play pivot over at 3rd.

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I agree, it seems that relieving the stress to Utley’s knees is a more compelling reason than that it will be easier to find a second baseman.

        Galvis may be a better fielder , but by any measure Utley is still a very good defensive second baseman. Part of what made Utley one of the 1-3 best players in the game in 2005-2009 is that he offered a combination of very good offense and defense at a premium position. For Utley’s move to 3rd to offer an advantage, the Phillies would have to find a second baseman who is a better HITTER than any available third baseman. Without looking at the actual available options, that seems unlikely (but not impossible).

         
      • Posts: 4128 Lefty

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        Not sure I agree that they have to find a better hitter than any available third baseman. Many teams have power on the corners and are light hitting at least at one of the middle positions. Its a luxury that the Phils had Utley and Rollins power all this time, no? I think if the kid is okay, Galvis would be fine.

        Besides that, I still haven’t given up on trade possibilities. Don’t ask me to play GM, I not good at that so maybe these are impossible dreams. But man, Chase Headley or Adrian Beltre would look really good at playing at CBP.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Let’s say the reason for moving Utley to 3rd is that you can more easily find a second baseman than a third baseman.

        Either way Utley will be in the lineup, either at 2nd or 3rd. He’s very good defensively at 2nd, and with practice can probably also be good at 3rd.

        So in what situation is it better to have Utley at 3rd and a new guy at second, as opposed to keeping Utley at 2nd and getting a new guy for 3rd? It seems that moving Utley would only be preferable if they found a much better hitter for 2nd than they can for 3rd.

         
      • Posts: 4128 Lefty

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        In that case you’d be right, but I thought the idea was to save his knees some wear and tear.

         
 
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