Granderson-for-Ruf is a Pipe Dream

Posted by Corey Seidman, Mon, October 22, 2012 02:40 PM | Comments: 31
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Another day, another odd Phillies-Yankees trade proposition.

In a Yankees offseason outlook for the New York Daily News, John Harper suggested that the Yanks trade Curtis Granderson to the Phillies for … Darin Ruf.

“Granderson makes a lot of sense for the Phillies, who desperately need power, as well as a center fielder, and they’re still very much in a win-now mode, trying to cash in before their high-priced starting rotation gets too old,” Harper writes.

As for Ruf? Harper had this to say:

“His bat could be valuable to the Yankees in a part-time role in 2013, if he proves ready, and eventually he could become a mainstay in the lineup.”

Let’s break it down…

Why would the Yankees shop Granderson?

Because he’s a free agent after 2013 and, according to Harper, is likely not in the Yankees’ long-term plans.

Granderson hit 43 home runs in 2011, but batted .232 with a .319 OBP and struck out 195 times.

Why the Phillies would want Granderson

Because they have a huge hole in centerfield and Granderson would make a bigger impact than Michael Bourn.

Yes, Granderson had a down year. But he was worth 7.0 WAR in 2011, and that wasn’t even a career-high.

The fact that Granderson is a free agent after 2013 makes him even more appealing. If the Phillies don’t want to commit to him long-term, they don’t have to. If they want his services after 2013, they’d have an advantage.

Granderson’s next contract will be pricey … but would you rather have Michael Bourn in his mid-30s at $17 million per season or Granderson for a similar price?

Why it wouldn’t happen

Yankees GM Brian Cashman would be selling pretty low on Granderson. He would also be buying Ruf at the peak of his potential, even though New York already has a first baseman and Ruf is unproven in the outfield.

Cashman is a thoughtful GM, one of the more underrated ones in the game, actually. The Yankees haven’t gorged on free agents since the CC Sabathia-Mark Teixeira class, and they haven’t traded away too many prospects. Would he really trade a centerfielder in his prime after a down year for a 26-year-old who was never regarded as a top prospect?

Probably not.

That’s where we are now. Ruf for Granderson is a pipe dream. But Harper’s piece brings up the larger point that Granderson could be had for the right price.

If that price is a pitching prospect — of which the Phillies have six or seven top-tier options — and Ruf, would you do it?

Despite the left-handedness and added strikeouts, I think I would. This team badly needs power, even if Utley and Howard are both healthy.

I’m also not sold on giving Bourn Jose Reyes money (six years, $106 million) and Granderson would make much more of an impact with this team than B.J. Upton or everybody’s new boyfriend, Angel Pagan.

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  • Posts: 0 T-Money

    I would love if this happened…..many would probably disagree but If Cashman actually okayed this deal that would be awesome. I def agree, Granderson would make much more of an impact in the line-up compared to Upton and Pagan. It would be a bummer to see Ruf be traded but I think most Phills fans agree….we want a world series championship as soon as possible. I like the possibility, we need power regardless of avg and k’s.

  • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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    I sure hope it is a pipe dream. I have Granderson in fantasy and he is great, but I hope they don’t do that for Ruf, he has a lot of potential. I do believe the Yankees are shopping a lot of their guys, but IMO the Phils would be smart to steer clear of trading their best prospects.

  • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

    Phils fans are so high on Ruf, completely ignoring all his holes. dude is completely one dimensional. he’s a 25 homer a year type player. at the very best, he’s maybe Nick Swisher, but likely even less than that. Look up the scouting reports on him, see what the pros have to say about him. I’ll give ya a hint, it ain’t good!

    sell Ruf now while he’s still worth something.

    • Posts: 5143 Lefty

      Avatar of Lefty

      What did the scouts say about Brandon Moss who we gave 6 stinking AB’s to last year while wasting time with John Bowker?

      “Once a top prospect in the Boston Red Sox system, Brandon Moss is now a fourth outfielder at best in the majors. Moss has shown potential to hit for average in the majors, with a .291 average in 103 at-bats with Boston. He’s also shown potential to hit for some power, with 13 homers in 543 at-bats with the Pirates. If he could combine the two and become a .280 hitter with 15 home run power, he’d be a strong fourth outfielder”

      2012 Oakland A’s .291/.358/.596/.954 160OPS+

      • Posts: 0 hk

        Moss was once a top prospect. Ruf has never been a top prospect.

      • Posts: 5143 Lefty

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        Fair. I could have used a better example, that was just top of mind after dinner.

        It doesn’t matter what we think anyway, they’re going to make the moves they think are best. And as I stated above, I like Granderson, he’s been very good for my fantasy team the last two years.

        But I do have one question for Ryan H. What’s so bad about Ruf having the potential of Nick Swisher? I think it’s a shame he wants a “Jayson Werth like ” contract, he’s a pretty player. Underrated in fact, switch hitter, numbers right up there with Cano and Granderson.

        Lifetime .828 OPS- 118 OPS+ I’d be very happy if Ruf turned out like that. Check this out


      • Posts: 0 Ryan H.

        lefty: nothing wrong with being a nick swisher type. he’s a solid outfielder. not a hall of famer though. people act like Ruf is going to put up numbers like Ryan Howard has put up, and that is completely delusional.

      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        It seems that most scouts, rightly or wrongly, would say that the idea that Ruf will be put up Swisher numbers is delusional.

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    It wasn’t a surprise that the Yanks exercised the option on Granderson. But that was not an agreement to keep him in the fold for the remaining year on his contract. It’s very plausible that he’s not back with the Yanks. His all or nothing home run act seems to have worn a little thin, compounded by his teammates falling into the same mode at the same time. Conclusively, he’s movable, for sure.

    Now are the Phils a candidate for him? 15 months ago, the Phils had a choice. Play out 2011 with Dom Brown continuing to get an education and experience at the same time, or find a mid season righty bat to replace Jayson Werth after Ben Fransisco failed to do so. I begged, pleaded and cajoled for them to get Carlos Beltran. Instead, Hunter Pence was expensively acquired, with Ruben explaining he wasn’t into acquring rent a players. Not that the Phils couldn’t have extended Beltran, but that’s another tale for another time. With but 2013 remaining on his contract, Granderson is really nothing more than a rent a player. If he’s worth the risk that you can extend him and reap benefits more than Carlos Beltran was a year ago, it’s news to me.

    While I kinda (operative word) like Ruf, his walk into the limelight presents possible movement worth considering. But not for the equal of a 1 year player.

  • Posts: 0 chris

    i would never trade ruff hes to young and going to be good hes got a great swing .
    granderson is a beast but hes only got one year left on his deal plus hes another lefty bat
    in a lefty heavy lineup .

  • Posts: 0 upandaway

    You guys who wouldn’t trade Ruf for Granderson are beyond brain dead. Ruf isn’t a top prospect, isn’t a natural outfielder, and Granderson is an established star.
    But don’t worry, Ruf fans. Your hero won’t be dealt for anybody with any value–certainly not Grandy– because other GMs want to keep their jobs!!
    Some people…

  • Posts: 0 hk

    If only John Harper was New York’s GM instead of Brian Cashman….I fear that we are all going to be very disappointed when Darin Ruf turns out to only be MLB worthy vs. LHP’s and that the only position he can play is manned by someone owed $105M over the next 4 years.

    I prefer Granderson to any of the free agent CF’s, in part because trading for Granderson will save the team a 1st round pick if the alternative is signing Hamilton or Bourn or maybe even Upton or Pagan.

  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    Cashman would never do it. I still haven’t seen a scouting report that projects Ruff as being anything more than a AAAA type guy.

  • Posts: 0 DCmikey

    There’s that mystery of what could Ruf do. Will we regret this…who knows, but it’s obviously the right move. But, no chance Cashman does this.

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  • Posts: 0 George

    Is John Harper a real journalist, or is he merely a funny farm escapee posing as one?

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  • Posts: 0 EricL

    I’d just like to say that Angel Pagan is not my new boyfriend. I’m much more enamored with Melky Cabrera, Torii Hunter and maybe Victorino a little bit. Pagan is an okay player and I’d be fine with him I guess, but he’s nothing special. Pagan’s the kind of person you don’t make your boyfriend, just, you know, a friend or whatever.

  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    While we’re at it let’s trade frandsen for ARod and $100 MILLION.

  • Posts: 0 BubbaNoTrubba

    I think Phillies would be wise to hold onto Darin Ruf.

    Granderson is a one year deal, and Ruf is cost controlled for several years.

    Phillies needs more cost controlled farm players than the names coming off free agency, or nearing free agency.

    If Ruf could be a .250 30 HR player for a few years, that would be an excellent addition to the Phillies, considering his salary.

    Not every player is gonna be Miguel Cabrera or Mike Trout, some are just gonna be solid contributors.

    Ruf likely one of those.

    There is a slight chance he could a have 1-2 “power years”, where he slugs close to 40 HR’s per season and gets plenty of walks.

    But the main reason to keep Ruf is that he’s cheap, and he has solid, not great, offensive numbers much needed in a poor offensive lineup.

    Oh, and by the way, shop Ryan Howard midway next season to an AL club that has need for a part time DH/first base guy.

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