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Hot Stove: Jays Land Reyes, JJ, Buehrle

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Tue, November 13, 2012 07:28 PM | Comments: 33
Rumors, Trades, Transactions

It is easier to say who is left from the 2012 Marlins than who has been traded.

UPDATE 9:02 PM: The trade looks nearly complete. As of right now, Reyes, Johnson, Buehrle, Bonafacio, Buck and $4 million will head North of the Border for Escobar, Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Justin Nicolino, Jake Marisnick, Jeff Mathis, and Anthony DeSclafani per Morosi. Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the trade is official barring league approval and all systems appear to be go on that front. Nicolino is the highest profile prospect of the bunch, projects to be a 3rd or 4th starter who relies on control, and ranked fifth on FanGraphs 2012/13 Top 15 Blue Jays’ Prospect list. Marisnick ranked sixth on that list and is comparable defensively to Anthony Gose. Hechavarria and Escobar now project as the Opening Day third base and shortstop starters for Miami. In short, the Blue Jays just acquired quite a haul for a lot of middle-tier prospects and two infield experiments.

The Marlins Opening Day commitments now stand at around $16 million, $84 million less than last year’s $100+ million payroll. Reyes, Johnson, Buehrle, Bonafacio, and Buck join Hanley Ramirez, Gaby Sanchez, Heath Bell, and recognizable names to be dealt from the club since the beginning of 2012.

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Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports is reporting that the Marlins have traded a package of Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonafacio, and John Buck to the Toronto Blue Jays for a package headed by infielders Yuenel Escobar and Adeinny Hechavarria. The move is in stark contrast to last year’s agressive talent acquisition streak by Miami and continues their firesale, eliminating over $150 million more from their long-term commitments. No word yet if the Marlins have also included any cash in the deal to cover the salaries. There is said to be much more involved in this trade so keep us tuned in for updates.

The move, while not Phillies related, seemingly eliminates two tough pitching match-ups for the Phils and subtracts one of the best shortstops from the division and the league.

It was mostly quiet on the Phillies’ front today otherwise with remaining free agents but it will be interesting to see if this accelerates or slows the Fightins aggression in pursuing trades or free agents. Possible center field target Torii Hunter is reportedly targeted by 14 teams but has narrowed his desired destination to just Detroit and Texas while the Phils still seem to be in the hunt for Kevin Youkilis per Morosi as well. Also, the Braves have reportedly joined the Phils as teams interested in Cody Ross.

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Ian's athletic achievements include getting stuffed by NBA center Aaron Gray in high school and hitting .179 over four years for NYU against D-III, NAIA, JuCo, and NCBA schools. Ian hopes his athletic successes will help him achieve his dream of becoming the underground Bob Uecker.

 
 
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    Wow, this gets the Hot Stove season off with a bang. As long as they are selling off the whole team I hope RA Jr. is on the phone with them about 22 year old Giancarlo Stanton as we speak. – .290/.361./LL.608/.969 wRC+ 156 – Whew, bring it on!

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      I was thinking the same thing. Nothing, them wham a ten player deal with some big salaries. Jays going for it while the Yanks are expected to have tight pockets, Red Sox rebuilding. Will this push the O’s all in on Hamilton?

       
    • Posts: 0 c schreiber

      Right on, right on. Guy is a STUD.

       
  • Posts: 1435 Pat Gallen

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    I think that’s wishful thinking, Lefty. They’re going to build it around him obviously. Phillies don’t have anything the Marlins want anyway. But damn he’d look good smashing 50 homers playing left field here.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      If he can hit 37 playing there ( he had 16 at home) , you’d have to think he can hit 50 playing here. Besides, I like wishful thinking, it’s how I make it through the dead of winter. Just starting a little early this year!

       
  • Posts: 2069 Brooks

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    If Giancarlo could play even average outfield I would push for signing him. He is one of the worst outfielders (next to me when I played) I have ever seen – terrible arm too.
    But, he is a beast with the bat.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      First, the cost in a trade for Stanton would be monumental, if the Marlins were even interested in trading away the one piece they can build a future around. Secondly, every credible metric I see shows Stanton as being solidly above average in the field. Speed and range can make up for (and trump) the occasional botched play.

       
      • Posts: 0 brooks

        I really don’t get your point Schmenkman. Perhaps I have seen him at the most maybe 15 times in the last 3 seasons, I sit pretty much directly behind the guy in right field. Regardless of what metrics are, they don’t fully report on balls he did not get to nor runners he was unable to throw out so he did not even try.
        Look, you can read all you want to about his performance on the field and I am here to tell you this guy rocks at the plate but, in the outfield he is mediocre at best. An error doesn’t count for a lazy throw or missing the cutoff guy or throwing it to the wrong person.
        So, if the Marlins are willing to give up on a #1 pitcher, why wouldn’t they give up on Stanton? Hitting without pitching wont get you all that far.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        The advanced stats have consistently showed that he fields a higher percentage of balls hit in his area than the average right fielder.

        As for the Marlins trading him, they are trading Johnson because he’s going to make $13.7 million next year and then he’s gone as a free agent. Stanton will be dirt cheap for another year or two, and then relatively cheap until he hits free agency after the 2016 season. So 1) he’s the one remaining player fans might still want to watch, 2) he’s one of the best players in the league and can help them win games, and 3) he costs very little.

         
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    It had been reported last year that when the Fish were said to be close with Pujols, their final offer, or semi-final, wherever they were, didn’t have a no trade, and I guess that really opened the door for the Angels. This is very interesting stuff, as was the Heath Bell move earlier if for no other reason than because it was a big multi year deal moved after one. But if Albert had signed with the Fish, with no trade protection, this whole plot leading and possibly including tonight’s deal could have been even more interesting.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the Miami community reacts. I don’t know about corporate sponsorship, but by what you could tell by camera shots, as opposed to deceptive attendance figures, year one of If They Build It, They Might Come Park didn’t seem overwhelmingly successful. I guess thay figure build a winner around Stanton, and they will come out. But if they did opt to deal Stanton, geez, what a potential return.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    So basically the Blue Jays just traded for the Marlin’s team. I don’t want to hear the Marlin’s front office complain about not getting people to go to the games ever again.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Well, scratch the Marlins off the 2013 contender list. Probably the 2014 list, too.

     
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    I can’t figure out what the Marlins are doing. Are they cleaning house because for all they spent, they were still bad?

    Or are they just clearing space to go after guys like Hamilton, Greinke etc. to try again with different players?

    They just can’t be disregarding their fan base completely after spending all that money on the brand new park- or can they?

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      Marlins are doing what they’ve done in the past. They don’t believe their current roster can compete in the NL East so they are trying to get value for expensive assets. I believe they get a new competetive lottery pick? They also secured public funding already for the stadium so no need to win now. Get the picks, the revenue sharing, the qualiy young mlb ready players, prospects and salary flexability and in 2-3 years they’ll have a young core, $$$ and be able to get right back in it. A pretty devious, but succesful strategy they’ve used before. How Miami fell for it is pathetic.

       
      • Posts: 0 hk

        Right, they said they’d spend money if the municipalities built them a new stadium. They got their stadium, so they (sort of) spent money for one year. I say sort of because the Reyes and Buehrle deals are heavily back-loaded. No wonder Keith Law calls their home park Boondoggle Stadium.

         
    • Posts: 0 EricL

      Pretty sure they’re content to rake in the revenue sharing money, the money from the tv and licensing deals, and profit on that due to their extraordinarily low payroll. It’s an okay business decision, I guess, but it stinks for anyone who gives a crap about baseball.

       
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      “They’ve lost all credibility,” a major league executive said of the Marlins’ ownership group. “I don’t know how they can even show their faces in South Florida now.”

      A player agent agreed — sort of.

      “It’s a disgrace,” he said. “But I don’t think they even care how they’re perceived.”

      Until Loria and Samson craft a new identity, they’ll be perceived as heading an ownership group that built a $515 million ballpark with the help of $360 million in public funds, then took the taxpayers and paying customers for a ride. Remember how Pujols’ negotiations with Miami went south last winter because Miami wouldn’t include a no-trade clause? Maybe Albert knew something nobody else did.”

      http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove12/story/_/id/8629415/miami-marlins-long-season-2013-mlb

       
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    @Giancarlo818 : “Alright, I’m pissed off!!! Plain & Simple”

    I don’t know what it would take, but I know he’s not happy. Forget Nick Swisher and Cody Ross. This is the guy, realism be damned.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff Dowder

    What possible reason would the Marlins have for trading Stanton right now? He’s under team control for four more seasons at well below market value. The guys that they traded were making big money.

    They still have to sell tickets as well. Stanton is about the only guy they have left that people would pay to see.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      Absolutely none. I’m just having some fun.

       
  • Posts: 0 Phillies fan from Germany

    Good for the Phillies. This trade might be worth one additional win in the games against the Marlins which coud prove beneficial in next year’s wild card race.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Great move for the Blue Jays … a team I thought had an outside chance to contend this season, but dealt with major injuries (Morrow, Bautista)…

    I too thought this might push the Orioles to go harder after Hamilton, because they no longer need to worry about just NYY or TAMPA… on paper, that whole division could win a World Series

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

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      Incorrect! Don M must think the Boston Red Sox were excelling at poker while eating chicken and drinking suds in 2011. I don’t know that there’s evidence they could win any World Series of Poker, cause they sho nuff ain’t winning any MLB World Series in 2013.

      I don’t disrespect the BoSox enough to say it’s impossible, but it’s hard to envision that much of a leap back so soon.

       
      • Posts: 0 hk

        Ken,

        I’m not sure what Don M’s post had to do with the Red Sox, but I’m sure there’s a connection that you’ll explain later.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        This site is like Brotherly Glove. If you try to quote someone and use brackets, the quote disappears. If you suround it with quote marks, the quote sticks.

        So let’s try this again.

        “on paper, that whole division could win a World Series”, from Don M, referencing the AL East, including the Red Sox.

        The question of what his post has to do with the Red Sox comes out of that. But the question of what Don M is doing using the Red Sox and 2012 San Fransisco Ginats in the same sentence might be a good one.

        let’s tag that one a facetious question left to one’s own individual preceptions.

         
  • Posts: 0 DCmikey

    AL east looks to be a great division now.

    Forget Ross!!! Halladay doesn’t want him- ha ha! But seriously- how many good seasons has he had?? Stay away.

    I’m OKAY (I guess) w the Youk sign, but not Ross. I’ll risk developing Brown over paying Ross.

    Thank goodness we do not have to face Reyes. How long has it been??- 10 years running?? And even tho JJ had a down season, it’s still good not to have to face him as well.

    Go Phils. It’s baseball season now (thanks IGGLES)

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Yea, the Red Sox are a stretch …but so were the 2012 San Francisco Giants. . .

    Ellsbury, Pedroia, Middlebrooks, Ortiz, Sweeny, Salty …. Lester… not great, not the worst team ever. should play around .500 next year i’d think depending on who the add (Napoli, and some pitching?)..

    Glad everyone takes my typing so literally.

    Prediction: Cole Hamels Cy Young next year …

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Wow…just WOW! The Marlins are a despicable franchise and Loria needs to be run out of town. There is absolutely ZERO reason that anybody should complain about the Phillies’ ownership after this bombshell. Thanks God we have some stability in South Philly.

     
  • Posts: 0 hk

    I may be in the minority, but I don’t think this is such a great deal for the Jays. While they didn’t give up much, they only got back 1 year of Johnson (albeit at a fairly team friendly price), 5 years of Reyes (for ~$96M), 3 years of Buehrle (for ~$48M), Bonifacio who seems to be redundant after they gave $10M / 3 to Maicier Izturis and 1 year of Buck.

    Reyes’s deal seemed like an overpay at $106M for his age 29-34 seasons. Plus, Miami back-loaded the deal and got 1 season of Reyes for $10M, leaving Toronto with Reyes for 5 years at an AAV of ~$19.2M for his age 30-34 seasons. Miami also back-loaded Buehrle’s deal, so they ended up getting 1 season of Buehrle for $10M while Toronto gets him for 3 seasons at an AAV of $16M. If Johnson leaves to riches in free agency after 2013 or gets hurt again (he has an injury history), I have a feeling this trade might be judged differently in a few years.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I think its a great deal for the Blue Jays …
    Johnson, Buerhle, Romero, Morrow, and a whole lot of depth #4-5 guys behind them.. not quite the Phillies ACE rotation, etc. but better than most staffs.

    Lawrie, Encarnacion, Rasmus … Jose Bautista…
    plus Jose Reyes, Emilio Bonifocio…

    Last year they had a lot of key injuries, I think they are a pretty legit team right now. Doesn’t make them AL favorites or anything but they just made major improvements to their roster and seemingly didn’t give up a ton to do it

     
    • Posts: 0 hk

      There’s no doubt that the Jays added talent, but they paid a big price. In addition to relinquishing a few prospects and a SS who produced 4.2 fWAR in 2011, they overpaid for the production they’ll likely get from Reyes and Buehrle over the remainder of their contracts. Is all of that worth it for one year of Johnson at a reasonable price plus Bonifacio, who is under team control for a few years?

      If we ignore the past history of the Marlins ownership and just look at what Miami has done from the perspective of a team coming off a disappointing season with a bloated payroll that needs to rebuild, I think many people would be saying that they’ve done a nice job with the Anibal Sanchez trade in July, the Heath Bell salary dump and this deal.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Say you’re ancient enough to recall the days of yesteryear when MLB especially applied heavyweight champion of the world type distinction by awarding one CY Award out of the entire sport. Guys like Koufax and Palmer copped honors, and in no way, shape or form would you never ever dare breathe a runor about the guy getting dealt.

    No, with the Dickey/Price parlay complete in CY annals, from both the rumors and sensibility pages, it at least approaches practical that everyone who won a CY in 2012 could be traded.

    The Dickey situation is more publicized, but in the case of the Rays, boy, what a package they might get for Price, who just 4 years ago was barely known when he appeared versus the Phils in the Series. Now, he’s so good he can brag about beating Justin Verlander for the Big One, AL Edition. Think the Rays couldn’t stay competitive on the cheap if they dealt Price for a ton of that Texas Ranger young talent?

    It’s still tough to trade the big names. Public backlash isn’t easy to face. Well, maybe if you’re Jefferey Loria. But thinking of Dickey or Price deals isn’t insane. And if by chance both got dealt, what a great trivia question 2012 CY winners would answer to.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      I’m pretty sure both have never been dealt before. Pedro Martinez was traded the season after winning in Montreal to Boston, that’s the only one I remember.

       
 
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