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Hairston or Nix Makes More Sense Than Ross

Posted by Eric Seidman, Mon, December 17, 2012 09:00 AM | Comments: 64
Acquisitions, Analysis, Commentary

The Phillies have long held an interest in Cody Ross and have amped up their efforts to sign him in the wake of Josh Hamilton‘s deal with the Angels. We discussed Ross’s numbers last week and found that he is really little more than a marginal upgrade over the inexpensive¬†John Mayberry and Nate Schierholtz platoon the Phillies could have used.

Ross has some value but the advantages of using him over that platoon — saving a roster spot and adding perhaps a smidgen more consistency at the position — were not worth the additional $7-$10 million per year the Phillies would pay.

Ross could help the Phillies on a reasonable contract but he simply is not worth a three-year deal in the $24-$36 million range he is seeking.

If the Phillies are not going to make a major move, like signing Nick Swisher or trading for Mark Trumbo, they are better off sticking with some combo of Mayberry, Darin Ruf and Laynce Nix than spending what they figure to spend on Ross.

If they are dead-set on Ross, or the idea of Ross and what he brings to the table, there are cheaper alternatives: Scott Hairston, who is currently a free agent, and the aforementioned Nix, who is already on the Phillies 2013 roster at less than $2 million. Both Hairston and Nix have similar skill-sets to Ross and have been similarly valuable over the last three seasons.

Both would also enable the Phillies to utilize what they like about Ross without sacrificing financial flexibility now and into the future.

Let’s look at some numbers since they are more illustrative of the point than my verbage. From 2010-12, here are the overall numbers of Ross, Hairston and Nix:

Ross: .260/.324/.434, 8.2% BB, 22.2% K, .174 ISO, .330 wOBA, 104 wRC+
Nix: .260/.316/.444, 7.6% BB, 24.7% K, .184 ISO, .329 wOBA, 104 wRC+
Hairston: .239/.298/.440, 6.9% BB, 21.2% K, .201 ISO, .320 wOBA, 103 wRC+

Again we see some very similar statistics. The wRC+ metric is most telling as it normalizes for league and park. By wRC+, all three players have been virtually identical offensive performers over the last three seasons.

Ross walks a bit more than both but has the lowest power marks. He has also logged about twice as many PAs and has faced same-handed pitching more often. Both Nix and Hairston have primarily faced opposite-handed pitchers. This isn’t an indictment against them in any way. If anything, their managers should get points for using them more correctly by masking their faults and maximizing their strengths.

The larger sample of information Ross has accrued lends itself to increased confidence in his true talent level. But, again, that increased confidence isn’t worth the premium the Phillies would pay over using Nix and Mayberry in a platoon or signing Hairston.

All three players have the same basic attributes: they hit for power, are by no means OBP wunderkinds, and struggle against same-handed pitching. In looking at the above numbers it’s hard to justify paying Ross the $8-$10 million per year he figures to get when Hairston is going to end up in the 2/$10 or 3/$12 vicinity.

Their numbers are very similar but the major difference here is perception. Simply put, teams view Hairston concretely as a platoon player, while some mistakenly still see Ross as a potential everyday starter. While he isn’t atrocious against right-handed pitchers, his 94 wRC+ against them over the last three years is well below average. And that isn’t optimal when righties throw approximately 70% of the pitches in a season.

If you’re interested in more recent numbers, below is the same breakdown of the above trio over the last two years. I’m more fond of three-year samples because it takes a while to truly measure a player’s talent level, but consider these numbers for the sake of discussion:

Ross: .254/.326/.446, 9.2% BB, 22.8% K, .192 ISO, .334 wOBA, 109 wRC+
Nix: .249/.303/.441, 7.3% BB, 25.9% K, .192 ISO, .322 wOBA, 101 wRC+
Hairston: .255/.300/.495, 5.5% BB, 21.5% K, .240 ISO, .340 wOBA, 116 wRC+

Hairston was better on offense even after adjusting for league and park. Ross seemingly offers the best combination of skills of the group but that was never really up for debate. Ross is a better player than both Nix and Hairston. He just isn’t that much better to merit a far more substantial commitment. With Nix on the roster and Hairston both available and affordable, signing Ross is spending money because it’s there instead of truly upgrading the team in a meaningful way. With Ross as an everyday starter, the Phillies are probably an 86-87 win team that lacks flexibility to make a deadline deal.

Apologies if this feels like an excessive hammering home of the point, but my posts today and last week were designed to show that there are more cost-effective options available to signing Ross. He is a decent player but he will cost more than he is worth. Whether it’s a combo of Nix, Mayberry and Ruf, or the use of Hairston in a platoon, the Phillies can get basically get 85% of Ross for 50% or less of the price. The Phillies can replicate what Ross embodies without making the lucrative investment into the man, himself, and that’s crucial for a team with this many question marks.

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  • Posts: 276 Jeff of Nova

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    Can someone explain why we keep making reference to the John Mayberry Jr/ Nate Schierholtz platoon as it is it still an option?

    If the Phillies do not sign Ross, which I am totally am for them not signing him, I think the Phillies are going to have Ben in center and an open competition for the corner spots between Brown, Mayberry, Ruf, and Nix.

    My feelings are it goes to Brown and Ruf with JMJ as the 4th outfielder and maybe 1st a little and Nix the 5th. At this point stats mean nothing it will be what they do in Spring training

     
    • Posts: 146 Eric Seidman

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      The point is to illustrate that the Phillies made a mistake simply non-tendering Schierholtz, as not only did he have value to other teams, he had value to the Phillies. And that, while it’s no longer an option, the two of them combined in a proper platoon could have provided 90% of what Ross provides for 1/10 of the cost.

       
    • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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      “At this point stats mean nothing it will be what they do in Spring training”

      You’re probably right, but I think that is a ridiculous way to make a roster decision.

      It seem that their stats are a much better indicator of what they might do in the future, as opposed to a 30-game sample in the spring, against a mix of MLB and minor league pitching, many of whom are more interested in working on their mechanics than whether they actually get people out.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        Stats are okay to to do projections, they aren’t a waste at all. But when you just looik at ‘em in isolation, then, in my opinion, you’re barking up the wrong tree. For example, one could just blister Mike young off his 2012 numerically, and result in a quick jury decision. But you stick in the free agent something to prove, change of scenery, 1 position, things of that nature, then you can make a more rounded decision. Seems pretty apparent that is what the Phils did.

        In the case of Ross, again, the wind at it’s back, many people here continue hellbent on denouncing Ross. I look at variables, and I see some potential positives. I could go far and wide, and deep in the vault to find players who fit a budget at any point that are appealing. I continue to believe he’d be more of an asset here than the negativity swimming through many people’s minds with wind at it’s back.

        Lannan is really another example. His numbers are pretty mundane, biggest plus appears to be he can eat innings. Not a bad plus for a 5 guy. But just by the numbers, money aside, he doiesn’t strike as very attractive. But you consider the motivation of a free agent year, at an age where a lefty might be right at the time of career breakout, chip on his shoulder off last year’s no doubt unappreciated handling, and you can minimize those numbers to have some positivity.

        Ross, Young, Lannan. Dcent enough chance 1 of the 3 exceeds expectations on the whole.
        And enough reason to think and believe it’s more than one. I just can’t see reason to go ballisitic against any of them, or the decisionmaking process that might have all 3 here. It’s not like they’re trying to bring in Jeff Francouer.

         
      • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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        This particular point was only about putting a lot of weight on spring training play in general. You’ve pulled in topics discussed elsewhere, and that’s fine.

        The question that bugs me about Ross, is this: if I had one too many outfielders, and the choice was down to either Mayberry or Ross (forgetting what their salaries are), which one would I DFA, and would it be a clear choice?

        When it’s not a clear choice, or at least not one with a big difference, that’s when I have trouble with giving up a big chunk of the payroll budget to sign Ross.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        I can agree with both Ken and Schmenkman here. I think stats don’t tell the whole story, and I believe that it’s quite likely that one or more of Ross, Young, or Lannan could indeed exceed fan expectations. But of the three, Ross would (if signed) be the most expensive and and seems like the least needed.

        I also, however, don’t think he’d be the albatross others are claiming he’d be. I don’t look at him as being an $8-10M waste, but more like a $2-3M possible waste, because anyone else who’s not a Brown/Ruf/Mayberry question mark would likely cost $6-7M anyway, and may not be as consistent as Ross.

         
  • Posts: 0 Fritz

    I’m with Eric, I think they have improved Let’s see what we have and if need be make a move before the trade deadline.

     
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    RAJ made a mistake letting Schisrholtz go for zilch. Scheirholtz has way more value than the rule 5 pickup who is a revere clone. I think the Phil’s are done unt they see what they have this Spring.

     
    • Posts: 0 gmopro

      Shierholtz isnt worth much.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      If Schierholtz would have gotten $1.6M in arbitration, that means the Cubs paid a little more for him, but not much more. So I have to agree that he wouldn’t have been worth much as a trade chip. Sometimes, the roster space is more valuable than an A ball “filler.” As Ian pointed out the other day, the Phils added quite a few more players to the forty man roster than they’ve subtracted, and the 40-man roster has been filling up quickly.

      Schierholtz, in my opinion, was only of value to other teams because they didn’t have to give up anything but salary for him. Maybe he could have played for the Phils, but he probably would have been taking Nix’s place. Nix couldn’t be non-tendered, would have to have been waived, and would still have to be paid. That would have been more costly than any gain made the a semi-talented prospec they may have gotten for Scheirholtz.

       
  • Posts: 0 Phillies fan from Germany

    Do not sign Ross!!! Either make a real upgrade by signing Swisher for reasonable money / years or give Ruf and Brown a shot at the corners while playing Mayberry regularly against lefties.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I’m tired of hearing this Ross garbage.

    We all know the Phils’ outfield is full of question marks. We also know that Swisher will be too expensive and Trumbo would cost a boatload of valuable prospects. Lets have some viable answers to those question marks, instead of the constant harping on Ross not being worth the expense. Hairston, by the way, probably won’t be as cheap as you think (I’d guess he’ll cost more than any 50% of Ross) and he’s even less of an upgrade, being–as you yourself have pointed out–a platoon player.

     
  • Posts: 0 Cs

    Were done making moves in the outfield. I love these stats and comparing of players, but this was a low key off season and well played one at that.

    2013 to start…
    SS-Rollins
    3rd-Young
    2nd-Utley
    1st-Howard
    LF-Ruf
    C-Kratz
    RF-Brown
    CF-Revere

     
    • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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      Agreed. I’d be fine if they stand pat for now.

       
    • Posts: 84 Tom

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      I could live with that line-up for the start of the season, but I’d switch Kratz and Brown to go right, left, right, left! I don’t think that will be the case as another OF will be added…and I agree “Just say NO to Cody Ross!” Would love to see them get Swisher, but probably not going to happen unless RAJ still has something up his sleeve!

       
  • Posts: 0 Nathaniel

    Don’t know how they’; make it happen, but the sound of Trumbo in a Phils uniform is music to my ears. Youth and power, yes please (ehh, defense though).

     
    • Posts: 84 Tom

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      If you were the Angels, with that lineup after the addition of Hamilton, would you trade a young, inexpensive Trumbo? No way!!

       
  • Posts: 0 Cs

    We have a solid lineup, with the money to make a move later if needed. You can’t buy a world series, and if we look at what we did, what the Giants did and what the $$odgers did…I’ll stand pat with the phillies and giants actions.

     
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    I can’t see RAJ sacrificing the new found financial flexibility for Ross.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    I’ll also vote for them to stand pat.

     
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    If Charlie bats Revere 8th, he’s even more a moron than I thought.

     
    • Posts: 0 Dave

      Agreed. If Young indeed bats second, he is going to come to bat with 1 out in the 1st inning 75% of the time. So where is your speed at the top of the order?

       
      • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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        If you’re saying that Revere will get on base more than Rollins, I don’t know where you’re getting that.

        Rollins leading off last year: .325 OBP (.316 overall)
        Revere leading off last year: .312 OBP (.333 overall)

        Or, you want to go back more than year:

        Rollins over the last 3 years: .325 OBP
        Revere over the last 3 years: .319 OBP

        Revere will likely be a decidedly better leadoff hitter than Rollins some day. It’s POSSIBLE that might even happen as soon as 2013.

        But at this point, chances are that Revere will be the worst hitter in the 2013 lineup.

         
      • Posts: 0 gmopro

        More like 67.2% of the time (using career OBA of .328 for JROLL). You have to use OBA not BA there. Rollins does walk once in a while… not as much I would like though!

         
      • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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        I would also like to see him walk more, but just fyi, Phillies’ leadoff hitters walked the 3rd most in the NL in 2012 (and Pierre did not help that, of course).

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        Revere has limitations as to where he can hit . . . . likely #1, 2, or 8 in the National League.

        Since he doesn’t seem to be a better leadoff option than Rollins, I think we’ll see a good bit of him at #2 …. he’s a good bunter (9 bunt singles), which means that he can make the corner INFs cheat up, though that’s difficult for a 1B to attempt while trying to hold Rollins close to the bag. . . .

        Revere’s speed also means that when he hits the ball on the ground, even if they get the lead-runner at 2nd …. he has a better chance of beating out the play at 1st …. he Grounded into Double Plays 8 times last year, compared to 26 times for Michael Young.

        I think we’ll see a lot of different lineups with this team though, against LHP, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Michael Young batting 5th, 6th … with Revere batting 2nd, etc . . . or the idea that Galvis gets more starts at 3b, when Lannan is on the mound for the Phillies… Gavlis would likely bat 8th, with Revere batting 2nd, etc.

         
      • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

        Agreed, Revere forte is speed, speed, speed. How many 8th place hitters, steal many bases
        in front of a pitcher. Revere should be leadoff (f Cholly’s desire for Jimmy popup) with Rollins in the 2nd or 5th position.

         
      • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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        @chuck s – unless Revere improves substantially, he will probably be the worst overall hitter on the team in 2013, and batting him leadoff will mean the worst hitter will get the most at bats.

        In spite of that, I would not be upset if he led off. He’ll get on about as much as Rollins (although Rollins gets himself to second on doubles more, and also has speed).

        I just don’t see why anyone would be strongly opposed to Rollins continuing to lead off, at least until Revere improves as a hitter.

         
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I’d already thought that through. I don’t know abiout Charlie being more of a moron than he is already, primarily because I don’t know Charlie to be a moron, and it might be interesting to know your qualifications for calling him one, but I agree about Revere. It does seem a waste to bat him 8, but then again, I’m a speed guy, so I may be prejudiced.

      I doubt this happens, but I’d like to see Young 8. If he’s gonna have a better year average wise, and not hot for power, which he doesn’t figure to, it figures he could either knock in runs with singles, or set up sacrifices, and leave Jimmy up with a guy in scoring position, which I’m sure excites many around here. Now what MY thinks of that, well, that’s what spring is for. Wonder if he’d bite at the idea. Batting 8 for 500 ABSeems to beat 300 ABs higher up, but that’s for them to decide.

       
  • Posts: 0 gmopro

    Dont trade Ruf. That would be stupid.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      Where did you get the idea that he was even on the block?

       
  • Posts: 0 gmopro

    Angels dont want to give up Trumbo anyway unless it was for something really good.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    Please advise Rubin Amaro, Jr. , that none other than Bart Shart agrees that signing Cody Ross would be a real waste of funds. Scott Hairston would be a much better choice, and he will be considerably cheaper. Please advise Rubin of this before he does something really stupid and our ticket prices go through the roof.

     
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    IMO- Forget all those guys. I want them to get Josh Willingham with his 143wRC+ last season and 126 career. Go back to the Twins and try again. It worked with the Blue Jays and Halladay on the second attempt. This guy makes 7m a year and locked up for 2 years.
    The Angels say they are not trading Trumbo unless someone knocks their socks off. The twins might accept more of our young pitchers and one young outfielder.

    Right Handed Impact Bat.

     
    • Posts: 146 Eric Seidman

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      I’ve been in baseball love with Willingham for 7 years now and am just growing convinced he’ll never be a Phillie. It’s unfortunate, but they just have never seemed that interested in him for some reason. It boggles my mind.

       
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      I’m on the Willingham band wagon as well. Perfect 5 hole or 3 hole hitter. Inexpensive money wise. If they were going to be able to get him I think it would’ve happenned earlier.

       
  • Posts: 0 CS

    Would you surrender Dominic Brown as a center peice for Willingham? If we are built to win now and the future is unknown, this type of trade makes sence.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      I imagine it would take either Dominic or Ruf. Maybe that’s why it didn’t happen. I think they should consider it.

       
      • Posts: 146 Eric Seidman

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        Given his modest price-tag I might do it as well.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Definitely with Ruf, because I suspect his value may never be higher.

        On Brown, it’s a tougher decision for me:

        Willingham will be 34 next year, and he projects to: .248/.354/.479 (.833 OPS, .354 wOBA)
        Brown will be 25/26 next year, and he projects to: .274/.347/.445 (.792 OPS, .342 wOBA)

        Granted, Willingham’s projection has much less uncertainty to it, but still tough to give up on Brown.

         
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        I agree it would be tough, but most good trades are. I’d miss Brown’s arm, Willingham’s is not nearly that good.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Yeah, the risk is that if those projections turn out to be close, it would be a fairly major mistake.

         
      • Posts: 146 Eric Seidman

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        Yeah I don’t know if i would DO IT, but it would really get me thinking. I would definitely feel comfortable dealing Ruf in that deal though, I’m with you on that one.

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Brown or Ruf one for one is a no brainer, IMO. However, I think it would take more than that. Probably Brown and a mlb ready bullpen arm.

         
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    I admit I like what I’ve seen of Hairston, but what scares me is he does most of his damage against the Phillies!

    He hit 20 HR’s last year- 6 against the Phils in 6 different games.

    I know this is really just a strange coincidence, but still- he won’t get to hit our pitching anymore.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    I would put Brown or Ruf in a trade for Willingham in a heartbeat!

     
    • Posts: 0 landshark

      So you’d feel comfortable moving your only power source in the outfield for some washed up journeyman? Ruf costs them zilch! Atleast give the kid a shot before we trade him away and becomes the next Ryan Howard for some other team. I’m not even sure I would trade Ruf for Trumbo without atleast seeing what Ruf has to offer first. The kid broke Howars HR record for christ sake lol… But Ruf for Willingham?? Come on now

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      Many people would put Ruf or Brown in a trade for Willingham. The real problem is that a trade would most likely require another player, too. If it were Michael Martinez, fine. But GMs aren’t stupid and know when they’ve got a guy who’s on an inexpensive contract. So it’d probably have to be someone like the recently traded Worley or maybe someone even better. Would anyone make that kind of deal for an aging outfielder?

       
  • Posts: 0 CS

    The way phillies managment talk Ruf up I bet he’s as untouchable as the big three. Or at least I would hope!

     
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    Count me in for standing pat. Let’s See what an outfield of Ruf, Revere, and Brown can do.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Where are you going to stand Pat? Mr.Gallen just seems like much too nice of a guy to put in the corner, and he’s too smart to be wearing a dunce cap. I also can’t imagine him under a streetlight holding a paper bag with a bottle of rotgut in it. Maybe you want him out front of a store holding a handful of cigars, but I think you’d get some complaints from Native Americans on that one.

       
  • Posts: 0 Tom vh

    Lineup should reflect most balanced as possible…

    Rollins sw
    Utley L
    Young R
    Howard L
    Ruf R
    Revere/Brown L
    Kratz/Ruiz R
    Revere/Brown L

     
  • Posts: 0 T. Martin

    Okay first off, the Angels don’t have any reason to trade Trumbo. They will trade Bourjos. But the Phils need more thumpers especially with Revere possessing all the pop of a 13 year old girl. What the Phils need isn’t another big name, they need a less heralded player and some luck, like when they Rule 5 drafted Victorino and when they signed Ruiz as an amateur and Jayson Werth as a Blue Jays castoff. Some guys like that are still out there you just have to look for them. Here are some names:
    1) Jeremy Moore – out all of last year, released by the Angels.
    2) Drew Stubbs – he’s got Pat Burrell’s contact rate but he can steal bases, throw, hustle and play defense. just dealt to the Tribe. could be a summer acquisition once Cleveland falls the customary 20 games back.
    3) Moises Sierra – he’s at best the 6th outfielder in Toronto but look at his minor league numbers.
    4) Matt Murton – his MLB numbers weren’t overly impressive but he broke Ichiro’s single season record for hits his first year in Japan (and hit 17 HRs). He was a FA last year and I *think* he resigned in Japan for two years so I don’t know if he can back before 2014 but it’s worth finding out.
    5) Delmon Young – not a mystery to most. he’s an ass. so was Brett Myers and right now I’d take him back to compete with Lannan (another ass). Dude mashes and for whatever reason he’s unsigned and relatively cheap, he’ll make more than Hairston and less than Ross or Swisher. His defense es no bueno.

    There’s five guys nobody is talking about and I’m sure there are others. And, let’s be honest, all five of these guys have more to offer than Lance Nix and probably Ben Revere, and John Mayberry, and…

     
    • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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      I didn’t know Delmon Young is an ass. All I knew was that he’s had 6 full seasons, mashed in one of them (2010), and was a below-average hitter in the other 5. In the two seasons since his goog year, Mayberry, Brown, and Nix have all hit better than him.

       
      • Posts: 0 T. Martin

        Delmon Young has a career batting average of .284 and averages 16 HRs and 89 RBIs/yr.
        Playing half his games in Philly he’d easily surpass 20 HRs/year. He just turned 27 in Sept.
        In 13 games in the playoffs last year he hit .313 with three HRs with 9 RBIs and 26TB.
        And we was the ALCS MVP (because he mashed when it mattered most)

        But he also had an incident with an umpire in AA in 2006 and he got himself arrested in NYC last year.

        You could argue that he’s too similar to Ruf but Young has 6 years in the bigs and they’re less than a year apart in age. Young 9/85, Ruf 7/86. Young is 5 years younger than Ross, 6 years younger than Swisher, puts up similar numbers, and will cost $10-$15mil less to sign right now. And he could still get better in his late 20s whereas Ross and Swisher assuredly aren’t getting much better.

         
      • Posts: 875 schmenkman

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        D.Young has a pretty good batting average, but he almost never walks, so he doesn’t get on base much: .317 for his career, and only .299 for the past two years. And he has some power. But for the last two years combined, he’s been about 11% worse than league average overall, and, again, he’s been worse than Mayberry, Brown, or Nix.

        CBP will probably not give him much of a boost, since it actually somewhat hurts right handed hitters, if anything.

        Now, like you said, he’s only 27, and he could certainly put it all together again, like he did in his one good year in 2010, when he hit .298/.333/.493.

        And he may mature and not get himself into trouble as much going forward.

        He’s a gamble, and when you already have outfielders who have been better than him recently (particularly Ruf and Brown, who are improving), I don’t see the attraction.

         
    • Posts: 0 rc

      We picked up an OF last week Jermaine Mitchell as a spring training non-roster invitee who supposedly is a good defensive OF. Not to say they couldn’t use another one.

      As far as Stubbs goes , I used to like him but he’s 28 and was even worse than Mayberry was last year and his 2011 numbers were on par with Mayberry’s last year.

      Not going to bore with all the numbers but OPS was terrible, he is very similar to Mayberry (power, defense, horrible against RHP, basically a player who you hit against LHP which is good for 150 PAs or so). He’s not good with RISP, basically is a first pitch hitter and there’s a book on him.

      Also was terrible at the plate the last two months.

      Strikes out at a rate like Rhino also.

       
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Which one of those guys can steal 40 bases and is an elite defensive CF?

     
    • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

      Why isn’t Justin Upton’s name being thrown around anymore. The D’backs have very young
      OFs that they want to play and they need to find a home for Justin. He can be had and I don’t think for as big of lose for us as we think. Maybe thats what RAJ has up his sleeve???

       
      • Posts: 0 hk

        They were trying to use Upton to get them their SS of the future. Instead, they traded P prospect Trevor Bauer to get their SS of the future, so they are apparently no longer looking to trade Upton.

         
  • Posts: 0 Floyd1

    Hey guys. Schierholtz made it clear when he came here that he wanted to compete for a starting job. The Phillies were just being decent and honest with him. And off he went. No harm. No foul.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Sorry, baseball is a business. You don’t give away useful, valuable commodities because you want to be nice.

      I’m sure Mike Stanton and Mike Trout would love to test the free agency waters right now, and I guess if their teams wanted to do the decent and honest thing they could release them. Unfortunately for them, that’s not how baseball works.

       
 
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