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Hot Stove: Ross to Arizona, Phils Interested In Ibanez

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Sat, December 22, 2012 12:54 PM | Comments: 69
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Ross has signed a three-year pact with Arizona. Photo: AP

Ross Signs with Arizona

Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News is reporting that Cody Ross has agreed to a three-year deal with the Arizona Diamondbacks, further limiting the opportunities for the Phillies to upgrade their outfield production.Ten days ago, our Eric Seidman explained why the price tag for Ross just would not match the upgrade value he would provide in the Phillies outfield. Now, fans no longer have to discuss that question.

Phils Interested in Ibanez Reunion?

Somewhat surprisingly, the Phillies are linked to a reunion with outfielder Raul Ibanez according to George King of the New York Post. In 425 plate appearances for the Yankees in 2012, Ibanez posted .240/.308/.453 line with 19 HRs. Jim Salisbury of CSN quoted Ruben Amaro yesterday, citing a need for a productive, right-handed bat. Ibanez is not right-handed and it can be argued that he is no longer productive, but 2012′s postseason hero could add some value in a bench role for the Phillies in 2013 at age 41. King notes that the Mariners have intensified their pursuit of Ibanez in what would be a reunion in its own right.

Hairston Looking For “Significant” Raise

Buster Olney of ESPN reported today that Scott Hairston is looking for a “significant” raise from last year’s $1.1 million he earned as a Met. Hairston fits the Phillies’ outfield need and was suggested by our Eric Seidman as a cheaper, just-as-productive alternative to Cody Ross. Salisbury reported yesterday that the Phillies have increased interest in Hairston, who turns 33 next year, and posted a .286/.317/.550 line with 11 HRs against lefties last year while playing about league average defense in the corner outfield positions.

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  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    Go get swisher

     
    • Posts: 0 Joe

      if ross was too much for them swisher will be way too expensive

       
      • Posts: 0 john

        how bout ruf, brown,and a pitching prospect for stanton? any takers ?

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        Ruf, Brown, and a pitching prospect? You might get takers, just not the Marlins.

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Stanton would fit perfect, but a deal for him would probably be cost prohibitive. It would cost something like:

        Biddle(top 50 prospect)
        Pettibone or Morgan(both should be MLB ready soon as a 3 or 4)
        Brown
        Galvis
        Defratus or Aumont

         
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        I’d give up half the team for Stanton if only to watch him break windows at 10th and Shunk.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bob D

    Ross isnt an upgrade. Neither is Hairston.

    Better option see what Brown/Ruf have and work a trade in spring or midseason midseason if needed. Mayberry is not likely the answer unless he shows something great, but does have value as a part timer/4th OF. Jermaine Mitchell is a Dom Brown type of prospect, just a year older, but could break the team as a dark horse canidate in OF. Not likely, but does have serious power, good eye, and hits for average.

    Swisher would be an upgrade but not worth the contract and even more so the loss of the 16th pick.

     
  • Posts: 276 Jeff of Nova

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    I want them to be done, unless something truly special falls in their laps…..which at this point would be a trade

     
    • Posts: 0 wbramh

      I agree – it would take a trade.
      They’re scraping the bottom of what was a small and over-priced free agent barrel for starters. Not the way championship teams are put together.

       
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      i agree jeff. most if not all of the free agent OFers this year had either some baggage of other type problems. the only one without any of that is swisher. which for one i like but i wouldn’t pay him what he’s gonna probably get, cause to me even though i like him, he ain’t worth the money of yrs he’s gonna get.
      personally i’d love to get stanton! but ikeep thinking about what it would take. would i want to part with biddle? or morgan, or martin, pettibone? i don’t know these guys are our future right now ! these are the guys replacing doc, lee,lannannow and kendrick. they’re all good and almost ML ready. i don’t think we have anything they will demand. we already have a sparse position player minor guys trading our best top pitching prospects could end up decimating us for yrs. i personally would package a kendrick, bastardo and brown and two pitching prospects. cloyd? could that get it done? i don’t know but i’d have to try! i’d even offer to pay kendricks salary.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    I guess rumors a month apart justify a serious look at Rauuuullll as a 2013 Phillie candidate. Let’s skip the attraction to the Phils, and just let that go as questionable. On the surface, to me at least, there doesn’t seem a Phillie attraction to him in terms of baseball skill, so if and when the 2 sides hook up, suffice to say it’ll be interesting to hear Ruben’s reasoning.

    But I can distinctly and convidtionally state 1 reason to be tres concerned with his returning, nice as it would be from an easy to root for perspective.

    The Phils parade in ’08 largely defied the win with pitching credo. Lidge and Madson had the back part down superbly plus, but the starting staff as a whole was more comme ci comme ca than reflective of a ring achieving staff. The hitting, of course, was darned good, but an often overlooked part of the presentation was the defense that made the pitching even better than it might have seemed.

    Since several principals remain, let’s point out that 5 years later, at about 33 on average, common sense will tell you range is less than it was. This speaks specifically to the keystone guys, still regarded as pretty good defenders, and maybe even closer to very good. But they certainly aren’t gonna be as good as 2008. I don’t know why it’s not called UNCOMMON sense, but that’s a safe conclusion, no matter what you call it.

    Revere is said to cover a lot of ground. And that’s fine for a preliminary rep, but his unanimously held weak arm isn’t gonna help. Brown has a killer arm, but that’s the sole quality of his excellence as a defender. Even when routing well, he’s not exceptional. He’s no JDub in right. If Ruf is a good defender, it defies preliminary reports. Nix is pretty good, Mayberry, a little less so, but still an asset Young, at best, will only defend well to a certain extent. Howard is pretty obvious. Kratz certainly won’t be an improvement over Ruiz, and 25 games in a tight race is pretty important. Overall, it doesn’t project as a real good defensive lineup a particularly good defensive lineup

    So the well publicized trio of you know who excellent though they might be faces a continual spiral down with what supports it, and that can’t be a plus. It doesn’t mean the club can’t win, but it makes it harder.

    I don’t know that 1 outfield defender looms that significantly to a marked improvement, but with whatever playing time Raaaaauuuul would get in the field, he’s not an asset. If he does ink up here, I hope they skip the bertween innings commercials. My eyes would be riveted to the pre inning outfield tosses between Raul and Revere. Then I’ll be watching to see how far they walk froom each other to get positioned for the first hitter. I suspect it’ll be pretty far.

    I enjoy watching a good defensive ballclub. I don’t expect that privelege this year. Raul would downgrade that.

     
  • Posts: 84 Tom

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    No Cody Ross…an early Christmas present!!

     
    • Posts: 0 hk

      Raul Ibanez to Seattle….another one.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jack Nydick

    Are you kidding me? There is no GOOD reason to bring back Ibanez. Hairston might hit a few home runs at CBP. Then again, did the Phils have an outfielder hit .286 as a regular/platoon player? Give up power for batting average; that’s what they did for center field so, right field would be a platoon of Hairston & Brown, Ruf in left, Mayberry & Nix on the bench (Mayberry a late inning, defensive replacement for Ruf (ala Luzinski & Jerry Martin). It actually might be better this way than it was last year. But I’d still rather see a trade to bring in a much better player.

     
  • Posts: 0 CS

    I really don’t think we need another platoon player in the OF. Either stand pat with what we have to start the season, or go big IE Upton.

     
    • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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      Just say no to Justin, stats away from Chase Field are iffy at best. Willingham’s my pick.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        agreed lefty i’d love stanton but the price might be to high in prospects, willingham probaby is the best bet . i’d go for him in a heartbeat. they need pitching! we have a plethora of pitching in the minors, i’d dangle a known commodity like bastardo and controllable cheap guy like cloyd and a pitching prospect. not biddle, pettibone or morgan and martin but anybody else.

         
  • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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    With the Ross signing it appears that Jason Kubel will now available. Just what the Phils need, another lefty that slugs below .400 against lefties. -sarcasm-

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      i like kubal also but i’d rather go for willingham cause he’s a RH power guy. we need more balance in the lineup.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ted Bell

    I can’t think of any “contending” team ever attempting to field an outfield as brutal as this 2013 Phils OF projects to be. It looks like a long season down at the old ballpark.

     
    • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

      How could this outfield be any worse than last years??

       
    • Posts: 0 hk

      Bill James projects:

      RF: .274/.347/.445 for Dom Brown with 17 HR and 12 SB.

      CF: Similar hitting #’s as last year for Ben Revere, so if he plays CF and runs the bases again like last year, that’s ~3.4 WAR.

      LF: Weak production from JMJ and Nix and no projection for Ruf, but if Charlie is smart enough to platoon in LF, he could maximize the production that the team receives from JMJ or Ruf vs. LHP’s and from Nix vs. RHP’s.

      What does Ted Bell project for this OF?

       
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      The only thing I could come up with as an answer Ted is that four letter word that has moved mankind since the beginning – It’s not based on facts, nothing is proven yet but we all are “Hoping” Ruf does as well as projected, Brown can live up to his hype (even a strong percentage of it offensively too) and Revere continues his ascent to becoming a quality CF.
      That is a lot to put your money on I know. But, I am forking out a few grand to see what happens and cheer them on in 2013.

      Hey, why not continue the wish list? I mean, Santa is all about hope right?

       
    • Posts: 0 hk

      The 2006 Cardinals won the World Series with an OF of Juan Encarnacion in RF, Jim Edmonds, for whom the end was near, in CF and a combination of So Taguchi and Preston Wilson in LF. That team also had two stud IF’s (Pujols and Rolen) and one stud SP (Carpenter) and was pretty lucky to play in a bad division.

       
  • Posts: 0 CS

    Ted, Ruf should “project” to hit a good amount and play a decent LF. Dom Brown needs to prove himself now, and what better options are there? Ben Revere should be able to give us a .300+ average, get on base and steal around the bases once he does. My conecern is to continue to allow John Mayberry JR to play, and give anything but a bench role to Nix. Without unloading out last trade chips before the season started, or overspending for Swisher what else should the philles do?

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      “Dom Brown needs to prove himself now”

      Nothing could be further from the truth. Check out Bill James PAST projections on Dom Brown. Obviously, he’s already a proven commodity, and as we all know, past statistics insure future results.

       
    • Posts: 0 hk

      Doesn’t every player, or every player who doesn’t have years left on a long-term contract with a high salary, have to prove himself every year? If by Dom Brown needs to prove himself now, you mean that Dom Brown needs to be given 300 or 400 PA’s as a regular to prove himself, I agree. If by that comment you mean that Dom Brown has from Opening Day until April 30 to prove himself, I disagree.

      For those in the Dom Brown has had enough chances to prove himself camp, it is interesting to note that in his first 492 MLB plate appearances, all of which came in his age 22, 23 and 24 seasons, Dom posted an OPS that was 10% below the league average while in Chase Utley’s first 439 MLB plate appearances, 66% of which came in his age 25 season, Chase posted an OPS that was 10% below the league average. If my memory serves me correctly, there is a much higher percentage of the Phils fanbase today that is anti-Dom than the percentage of anti-Chase folks before the 2005 season.

       
      • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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        “If my memory serves me correctly, there is a much higher percentage of the Phils fanbase today that is anti-Dom than the percentage of anti-Chase folks before the 2005 season.”

        I totally agree that is true. But I think it’s mostly due to his early fielding problems more than his hitting. Chase was spectacular in the field right from the get-go.

        I believe in him, I think he will hit well. I love his arm, in fact I think it might be the best the NL among RF’ers both in strength and accuracy.

         
      • Posts: 0 Vernon Dozier Sr.

        Why is it considered “anti-Dom” when someone makes judgement on a player that’s anything other than glowing? I’d love to see the kid become a star but he hasn’t shown a thing at the big league level yet. As far as the Utley comparison, Chase at least exhibited baseball instincts and looked fundamentally sound from the start. Domonic has a habit of looking lost at times. We all hope he figures it out soon.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I think many would consider that kind of judgement to be “anti-Dom” because they don’t think that 492 plate appearances, scattered over 2 and a half seasons when he’s being yo-yo’d and (some say) having his development mismanaged, is enough to base a judgement on.

        What I see so far is improving play in the field and on the bases, and a combination of plate discipline and decent power at the plate (in spite of the break of the hamate bone, which is said to sap power for the first year afterwards). That combination in a young player usually translates into a good hitting career.

        In addition, while the results at the plate so far haven’t been spectacular, I don’t think it’s fair to say he “hasn’t shown a thing”. Here’s a list of players who have hit about as well as Brown (and some not as well) over the last two years:

        Brett Wallace – 99 wRC+ (100 is league average)
        Danny Espinosa – 99
        Domonic Brown – 96
        Cameron Maybin – 96
        Pedro Alvarez – 95
        Justin Smoak – 94
        Mitch Moreland – 92
        Dustin Ackley – 90
        Mike Moustakas – 88
        Delmon Young – 88
        Colby Rasmus – 87

         
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    What will it take to land willingham?

     
    • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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      I don’t know but apparently whatever they offered the first time wasn’t enough. What would you guess Joe?

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        I’m afraid it might involve Biddle and I don’t see the Phillies going there. if they would take a Pettibone or Morgan. The might be interested in a top catching prospect like Joseph since they’ve been slowly reducing Mauers games behind the plate. I could see a possible deal like, but they might want a better OF than Ruf:

        Ruf
        Pettibone or Morgan
        Joseph
        A BP arm like Aumont/Defratus/Bestardo…

        I could see the two teams more likely coming to terms near the deadline.

         
    • Posts: 0 hk

      psujoe,

      While I think Willingham would be a great fit for the Phils, I also think he’s a great fit for the Twins because he’s valuable and relatively cheap (compare 2 years of Willingham for $14M or $15M to 3 years of Cody Ross for $26M). I don’t see Minnesota parting with him unless the other team overpays and I would sooner see the Phils learn what they have in Brown and Ruf than overpay for Willingham.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      The reason I say what I say is that given what Schierholtz signed for, he couldn’t have been worth enough for other teams to give up a prospect and then have to pay Schierholtz in the bargain. Even at the if it was 50% more than his projected salary would have been, that’s still only about $600K. How much does anyone really think they’d have given for him if they were only willing to spend that meager amount to keep him from signing with one of those other eleven teams?

      I’ll grant that Amaro may have misread the market, but it’s also possible he checked with other GMs before he actually non-tendered Schierholtz. It’s possible no one wanted him until he became basically a free player. I’ll also grant that Amaro may have made a mistake in signing Nix for two years, but I’ll also say that Nix was a decent reserve and may have had other offers at the time. And let’s face it, we’re not talking about Babe Ruth or Mickey Mantle here.

      It’s may have been okay to have both players on the roster in December, but one of tthink Amaro gets to much grief from people who don’t have a budget to work through, roster choices to make, and fans to please. One of hem would eventually have to go if the team wanted to add better players to the roster, and eventually, sometimes the market dries up.

      Perhaps others are correct, but I sincerely believe that too much is being made of the situation. Decisions have to be made, and the reasons for the choices aren’t generally made public. To me, it’s pretty silly to be so concerned about such an inexpensive player. Worrying about an “asset” like Schierholtz, in today’s baseball, is rather like worrying about the penny you dropped down the gutter.

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        I don’t know what’s going on here, but my reply wouldn’t appear for a while, and when it did, it was in the wrong place and full of errors I didn’t make; words removed and sentences run together. It may be my own computer, it may be something else.

        I hope my thoughts are somewhat readable, because I don’t feel like trying again.

         
  • Posts: 0 CS

    Raul to sign with the M’s. Another one bites the dust.

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      I can’t believe that RAJ would let Scheirholtz go for nothing and have Nix under contract and be seriously looking at Ibanez. I just don’t think he’s that stupid.

       
      • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

        The Giants forced Amaro to take on Schierholtz in the Pence deal. A 2 time WS Champion Mgr. like Bochy did not like this guy and neither did Manuel. If it were just Manuel giving up on Shierholtz thats one thing but Bochy, that’s another story altogether.

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Forced is a strong word. My friggin laptop keeps deleting my sentences(it’s my keystroke wrist heavy style, but that’s a different topic). Bottom line is RAJ was always way too laser focused and IMO he may have just seen the light. For example, if you want Bonilla with Lindblum then add a 20-30 type prospect back. If you want May with Worley then we want a C+ prospect back. Take Scheirholtz, no, unless we get equal value down the road.

        This is GM 101. I like the last half of the current off season. No, No, No.

         
    • Posts: 0 George

      Nix was signed on a two year deal. Getting rid of him would have cost some money, unless he could have been traded, which would have brought back next to nothing. Although Schierholtz might have brought a “prospect,” it would have been in the form of minor league depth. That’s not a good enough return to be eating Nix’s salary. Add in the fact that the Phils needed rosrter space, and there’s more than enough reason to non-tender Schierholtz.

      Also, those ideas about trying to get throw-ins (…if you want Bonilla with Lindblum then add a 20-30 type prospect back. If you want May with Worley then we want a C+ prospect back.) are fine thoughts, but you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not Amaro tried this strategy and the other teams didn’t bite. Sometimes you can’t always get what you want.

       
      • Posts: 0 hk

        George,

        How is that you know Schierholtz could have only brought back a “prospect” who would have been in the form of minor league depth, but that psujoe has no way of knowing whether or Amaro tried the strategy he suggested? Isn’t it possible that Amaro misread the market for Schierholtz? After all, it was reported that 11 teams were interested in him, a young, cost-controlled OF for 2012 and possibly beyond. In fact, the team that signed him ended up paying nearly 50% more than what Matt Swartz, who usually is very good at predicting salaries for arb eligibles, predicted Schierholtz would get.

        Also, there would have been nothing wrong with tendering Schierholtz and having both Nix and Schierholtz on the roster in December. To give away the chance at an asset is a mistake, whether that asset was in the form of minor league depth or something better.

        It was also a mistake a year ago to guarantee two years to Laynce Nix, a player who had never previously had more than a one-year deal and who had done nothing to deserve a multi-year deal. I argued then that the 2nd year to Nix was a mistake and, if it cost them an asset or arguably a better player in Schierholtz because they didn’t want to eat the $1.25M they owe Nix, the mistake has come home to roost. Giving unnecessary extra years to the likes of Moyer, Ibanez and Nix has been RAJ’s biggest failing as a GM.

         
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      Another Christmas present – thank you Santa.

       
  • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

    This signing of Ross means “for sure” Upton can be had in a trade. Forget Willingham, Upton is our long term “young” RH power hitter we need. He’ll be even cheaper than a month ago when rumors were about him being available in right deal. A young pitcher and Galvis should do it.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      No it doesn’t.

      It might mean that Arizona just completed the RH portion of their Kubel-Ross LF platoon.

       
      • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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        That’s an expensive platoon, but when your payroll is under 100m I guess you can make moves like that. Personally I think Kevin Towers has made some strange moves lately.

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Yeah, Towers has done some really stupid things, the Trevor Bauer trade right at the top of that list. That said, I don’t know that he’s looking to platoon Ross & Kubel, but it’s certainly a possibility and doesn’t mean that he’s necessarily going to trade Upton or anyone else.

         
      • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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        I agree, unless someone absolutely knocks his socks off.

         
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Question for Schmenkman:

    It’s clear Upton under performs away from the Desert. Is there a way for you to adjust his numbers to filter out a ‘normal’ home away drop off(assuming there is one), especially based on Upton playing in a hitters park?

    He still has a nice OBP away of .325 despite a low average of .250.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      On average MLB hitters have an OPS that’s .034 higher at home than on the road.

      Justin Upton’s OPS is .206 higher at home (.937 home, .731 away, .832 overall). A small part of this is because of the division he plays in, with 27 games per year at pitcher friendly parks Petco, AT&T, and Dodger stadium. That’s partly offset by also playing 9 games a year in very hitter friendly Coors.

      If he’s on the Phillies, since CBP hurts righties somewhat, I might expect something like .750 OPS on the road and .770 at home, or about .760 overall.

      For what it’s worth, the one projection that’s been published for Dom Brown so far for 2013 has him putting up a .792 OPS next year.

       
      • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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        Good stuff, Schmenkman, as I’ve maintained, I hope they don’t go that direction. But I think he’d do better than the average .034 major league hitter at home no matter where he plays, and not quite as bad at CBP as you think. I think he’s still over .800 at CBP, but not anywhere near .937.

        That said, those numbers are still scary, I’d stay far away.

        Here’s ESPN’s HR Tracker overlaying CBP. I used 2011 because he pulled more that year, but you can change it to 2012 and all his HR’s still went out of CBP.

        http://hittrackeronline.com/detail2.php?id=2012_4254&type=hitter

        Obviously there’s more to successful hitting than home runs, again I hope they don’t go after him.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Lefty, the home field advantage would only be more than .034 in a good hitter’s park, which, at least for right handed hitters, CBP certainly isn’t.

         
      • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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        Schmenkman, the .034 either is a number for the players or the parks right? Now I’m confused. I thought “On average MLB hitters have an OPS that’s .034 higher at home than on the road.” was about the hitters in general, not the parks. Anyway, I believe Justin Upton is well better than the average MLB hitter, that’s what I meant. IMO- He would overcome the detriments of CBP to righties more than an average player.

        One way or the other we still agree that he would not be a good target based on past performance.

        Merry Christmas my friend.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Lefty, thanks. Merry Christmas to you, too, and all the best in 2013.

        As for the home field advantage, I think better hitters might have slightly bigger advantage than average (for example if a .900 ops hitter is 5% better at home, he would be .045 better). But I think the park can have a much bigger impact than that.

        Anyway, yes – we agree on the main point.

         
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    Take this ship to Spring Training in “as-is” condition. Keep the young talent. Develop more young talent. Say no to the Swishers, Kubels, Willinghams and Cuddyers of the league.

     
    • Posts: 0 psujoe

      Willingham in a fair deal is a no brainer. However, the Twins are in no hurry to deal him as he has 2 years left. I agree that at this point it’s a wait an see.

       
      • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

        Joe, Willingham is 33yrs old and Upton is 25 and a cheaper salary at this point. You really think Willingham is a better deal for the next few years? The D’Bags want to unload an OF so if Rube makes a reasonable offer for Upton which includes a young arm I see the deal being made. I don’t think the Twinks want to trade another OF, plus I think we made an offer already for him and he’s still a Twink.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        @ Chuck,

        Upton is younger, but not cheaper. He’s due $9.75M in 2013, $14.25M in 2014 and $14.5M in 2015 whereas Willingham is due $7M in 2013 and either $7M or $8M in 2014 depending on whether or not he gets 525 PA’s in this coming season.

         
    • Posts: 0 wbramh

      That’s probably the best advice but this is still not a good team. We can only hope some of those farm system guys are the next Hamels, Utley, Rollins and Howard. I’d be happy if they could produce one bona fide future star. Not sure I see the potential but who knows? We certainly shouldn’t mortgage off the entire future if some of these guys are legitimately worth the wait.

       
  • Posts: 0 Skip W

    Hey Phillies! Go get Michael Bourn!

     
    • Posts: 0 chuck schreiber

      Hey, Skip is Bourne a young righthanded power hitter?? I don’t think so!!

       
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Bourn is actually better than any of the RH power hitters available, and at least in the very near term will provide more production than any RH power hitter than you can think of.

        That being said, the Phillies obviously have no intention of signing him, but if they did his handedness wouldn’t be a problem.

         
      • Posts: 5482 Lefty

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        I don’t think they care what kind of hitter he is. His price tag (lose our pick and pay out the nose) is ridiculous, and I doubt they’ve ever given him serious consideration outside of kicking the tires.

        Personally I like the guy, he’s great for my fantasy team. But they got Revere and project him to be the next “Bourn like” player for them.

         
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    Swisher to the Tribe. Another booby-trap is off the market!

     
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    Just looking at next year’s crop of FAs…talk about underwhelming. I thought this year was bad but some of the in-house options look pretty good in comparison.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      I haven’t looked at next years potential free agents, but if they’re as “underwhelming” as you say, it will probably mean they’ll be even more overpriced than this year’s crop of average players.

       
  • Posts: 0 Dylan

    I see a lot of people putting Biddle as a top 50 prospect. Am I missing something? He wasn’t even a top 100 last year. This year I believe he will start in the 80′s…he could move up by mid year, but lets not over value him (even though he’s my favorite pitching prospect.)

     
    • Posts: 0 hk

      FWIW, mlb.com has him at #75 right now.

       
  • Posts: 0 Skip W

    Hey RAJ! How about Matt Diaz?

     
 
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