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Report: Phillies Set Sights on Cody Ross

Posted by Pat Gallen, Sat, December 15, 2012 04:00 PM | Comments: 65
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According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, the Phillies have ramped up their attempts to sign free agent outfielder Cody Ross. This, after inking Mike Adams and John Lannan to free agent deals early on Saturday.

I’ve been a supporter of the Phillies signing Ross since at least June (on Phillies Nation TV) because he’s relatively cheap (we think) and it likely won’t take a contract of more than three years. The biggest issue for the team recently has been signing 30-plus players to long term deals. At least with Ross, they ease up on the long-term issues that can come with it.

Ross’s numbers aren’t outstanding, but I think there’s value in bringing in a guy with 20-25 homer talent and putting him behind Utley and Howard in the order.That said, I won’t do backflips if they sign him, but I don’t think it’s the worst move in the world. The question comes down to whether or not you think Nick Swisher is worth roughly $30 million and one-to-two years more than Ross.

Eric Seidman takes a different look at Ross, saying the Phillies should keep away.

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  • Posts: 0 phil

    Yes swisher is worth more than Ross by more than what you have listed.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    It’s funny you linked the Eric Seidman piece to this saying he said keep away. I got the impression from reading the comments in follow to his article that a fair number of people took his opinion to say that.

    I read it differently.

    I thought he was pretty clear in saying Cody wasn’t worth a premium, but he wasn’t like violently oppiosed to adding him.. Not that this is a ringing endorsement, but…

    “This isn’t to say that opting for Ross over that tandem is an awful decision. There is inherent value in saving a roster spot and Ross likely offers more consistency in the power department. Playing part-time roles could certainly impact Mayberry and Schierholtz negatively and it’s unclear if they would continue to produce at their respective career rates in a timeshare.

    However, I don’t believe those advantages of Ross over SchierBerry are worth an additional $6-7 million premium.”

    Mike Scoscia said during the Hamilton festivities something along the lines of managing is all about connectivity to passion of the game. Now I realize there are numbers driven people who don’t pay that any mind, but it’smy guess that Ross would fit in nicely in that regard. That, and his reasonably steady numbers over his career, and as mentioned, the righty bat would be a good move when you add in, as you would see from his quotes if they sign him and there’s a press conference, he would be excited about playing in this town.

    It’s a good sign if it’s at a favorable price. Favorable being defined as something that doesn’t inspuire me to recommend changing the security code on the vault. Two for 14 would be nice, but inmates running the asuylum as they are, he probably gets a better deal than that. I just hope it’s not THAT much more, and I’m cool with it.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Why would Ross have any more “connectivity to the game” than anyone on the current roster?

      Eric’s article lists all the reasons why Cody Ross is only a very slight upgrade over what the Phillies have now – namely his huge L/R splits and the H/R splits that showed a lot of his success last year was assisted by Fenway Park.

      Amaro signing Cody Ross seems like a move just to spend money because they have some spare room under the luxury tax cap. It certainly doesn’t materially improve the team.

       
    • Posts: 828 schmenkman

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      “managing is all about connectivity to passion of the game”

      I agree that passion is very important to get the most out of one’s abilities, but I would think that at some point that would be reflected in his results. If it doesn’t, and you have lots of passion but your results are no better, or worse, than someone else, then it’s a “so what?”, isn’t it?

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        That’s a fair point. I took liberty with the Scosia comment, taking it to the level of a little more fireuppedness in the personality of the team. Not that I have a fair guage of it, and this may be way off base, but sometimes the club feels like it’s so 21st century business like. Not that he labors on it, but Charlie’s said a couple times the team could stand to have more fun. Small cliques of friendships to be sure, but some sort of passion just doesn’t come across. That’s where I was going with the Scosia comment, and how Ross might help that, although he very likely meant it in terms of individual player productivity.

        Getting into a very touchy area attempting to even offer any guess on locker room chemistry, let alone how Ross would have an effect on it, it it just feels that way. But I do think he’d do a decent job here. However he gets there, splits out of whack or not, 20/80 is pretty consistent on his baseball card. And I wonder if he might not have actually fared even better in Boston last year had that situation, let alone the standings, not been so bad. .

         
  • Posts: 523 Bruce

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    The question in my mind is how much playing time he will have in the crowded OF of Brown, Ruff, Revere, Nix and Mayberry Jr. Is Ross worth all megabucks as a platoon player? I won’t bother going into his stats for both offense and defense. They are not very impressive to say the least. Obviously, some fans here are in love with his “power’ regardless of his strikeouts, BA, etc.

    Obviouisly, I’m not in favor of aquiring Ross. I rather see that Brown and Ruff get as much playing time as possible and have that chance to prove their worth.

     
  • Posts: 3 turn2

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    I’d prefer that they make a trade for Ben Zobrist than sign either Swisher or Ross. Ross doesn’t get on base, which is the last thing this line-up needs. Zobrist had 97 BBs (.377 OBP) last year and 20 homers, plus has more speed than both of them. In CBP, he could might hit 25+ HRs, especially if they let him focus on 1 position. But they also have the option to put him at 2nd base if Utley goes on the DL. Not bad for a guy that would only cost them 5.5 mil this year as opposed to paying $12-15 mil per year for Swisher.

     
    • Posts: 828 schmenkman

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      Would love to have Zobrist (although I don’t think he would hit many more home runs, which are already in the 20-25 range).

      But I think Tampa realizes that he is really good, and to be honest I’m afraid that Friedman would fleece Amaro.

       
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        What schmenkman said.

        In fact, I hope Monty or someone has placed a block on Ruben Amaro’s phone so it doesn’t let him dial out or receive calls from Andrew Friedman.

        As a Phillies fan you really don’t want Ruben talking trade with Friedman.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        Plus, Zobrist is signed at very team friendly prices the next 3 years, $5.5M in ’13, $7M in ’14 and $7.5M in ’15.

        As a Phillies fan, I wish RAJ wasn’t able to talk with J. Daniels either, but it’s too late for that…

         
    • Posts: 0 George

      turn2:

      You can’t base a player’s cost only on his salary. You’ve got to figure what players/prospects you’d be trading to get him, and how useful they are/will be.

       
      • Posts: 3 turn2

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        George:

        Look at all of the “top prospects” that Amaro has traded away over the past 3 years. None of them have really amounted to anything more than mediocre now. We often tend to overvalue our own prospects. Even someone like Biddle, there’s not guarantee that he’s going to be anything more than a middle of the rotation guy, which are a dime a dozen in this league. In the past 40 years, the Phillies have developed 1……..ONE…. top of the rotation guy. Maybe 2, if you count Gio Gonzalez, but he didn’t develop until after he left the organization. I’d much rather bring in a proven player who can significantly upgrade this team….now. Than wait 2-3 years to see IF someone can play.

         
    • Posts: 0 rc

      Doubt you can get Zobrist and it would take a big package because he’s really underpaid if you look at his WAR. His contract couldn’t be more team friendly either.

       
  • Posts: 0 Matt

    My question is, what will happen with ruff? It really seems to me the the phillies aren’t going to give him a chance. They seem to believe in brown way too much. They also keep saying they need corner fielders. I say they only need a right fielder because brown isnt living up to the hype. Brown is a lifetime minor leaguer at best. And gets hurt too much.
    Im really hoping that ruff gets a chance , at least he has promise of being something unlike brown or Mayberry. I really wish this phillies team would start to give their rookies a chance rather then signing bums and washouts. Look where that got them last year.

    I got to tell you, I do not see them trying to get a impact player, I see them staying in third place. The Nast and the braves are doing what is needed, the phillies will lowball players and continue to sign bums that other teams have given up on.
    In order for them to compete they have to spend the big bucks and take chances on their rookies. Cody Ross isnt the answer.

     
    • Posts: 828 schmenkman

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      Matt, here’s a list of players who have hit about as well as Brown (and some not as well) over the last two years:

      Brett Wallace – 99 wRC+ (100 is league average)
      Danny Espinosa – 99
      Domonic Brown – 96
      Cameron Maybin – 96
      Pedro Alvarez – 95
      Justin Smoak – 94
      Mitch Moreland – 92
      Dustin Ackley – 90
      Mike Moustakas – 88
      Delmon Young – 88
      Colby Rasmus – 87

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        Some of those players were more widely hyped than Brown, too.

        When it comes to not “spending the big bucks,” I think Matt needs to look at the contracts for Howard, Lee, Halladay, Hamels, and also the record contract given to Papelbon. Just those alone are more than some teams’ entire budgets.

        I also wonder what he means when he says the Braves are “doing what is needed.” So far, they’ve traded a pretty decent starter, non-tendered another one, and replaced their center fielder with some guy who may or may not be better than what they had. They also haven’t addressed the vacancy caused by the retirement of Chipper Jones yet. They may do more, but so far, it looks to me like they’re treading water.

         
  • Posts: 0 matt

    maybe thats the numbers but .235 BA isn’t allstar to me and just relates to a NON impact player. also his homeruns numbers isn’t all that great. Im totally ready to trade brown for a ham sandwich like they did pence..

    if 100 is the league average then i guess brown is below average, even if its just a tad. I really feel the phillies have given him enough chances to proove hes not worth the hype. time to give ruff a chance.

     
    • Posts: 828 schmenkman

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      It’s a long way from not an all-star or impact player to “lifetime minor leaguer at best”,

      I don’t think we can know how good he is until he’s given a full season to show what he can do. What we know so far is that he is almost as good as a league average hitter, and that he has good plate discipline and decent power. That combination from a young player usually translates into a successful hitting career.

       
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        Why not give me a full season in the outfield?
        I’m 64, can’t hit or field, and would ask for under a million.

         
  • Posts: 0 matt

    when i talk about spending the big bucks , I mean this YEAR, not the past. what im getting at is they need to complementt the high dollars players they got now, you can not do that with ty wiggington style players.You can not do that by not giving a rookie a chance and you can not do it with players who have been given many many chances and have failed to follow though on the hype.

     
    • Posts: 5085 Lefty

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      Yeah man, screw the luxury tax. What’s another 30 million dollars to have to pay out in player costs anyway? I mean they’ve been sold out for like seven years straight with no end to it, right?

      Oh wait…..

      Yeah forget that, but hey in 2015, they’ll get a new TV contract, they can just borrow the money for L.T. for two years from Citizens Bank at 7% right? No problemo! And then, once the California teams prove what a terrible investment those TV contracts are, they might get lucky and get Comcast to pay for half of Papelbon’s salary in 2015.

      Paying luxury tax is like doubling Howard’s salary, and no one here has a problem with Howard’s salary right?

      But I wouldn’t know, cause Mr. Seagrams has me just a wee bit loaded tonight.

       
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Their rate would be substantially lower than 7%.

        But yeah, your post there is kind of all over the place. lol

         
      • Posts: 5085 Lefty

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        Oh man, why does there have to be a morning after? Uggghh.

         
  • Posts: 0 matt

    what mean about the braves is, they have signed upton away from philly and where not afraid to spend what it took to get him. the phillies lowballed him.Now it seems the braves have intrest in trumbo, this is a guy the phillies should go after if they feel the need another outfielder. they need another power bat to protect howard, and god forbid howard or utley gets hurt, they will relate into a wasted season again. with this core of picthers and players its hard to see them still having a shot of winning it all in the future years. the way i see it is they only have a few more years before cliff and roy start to fade, and next year the phillies will lose utley. Id say its 2013 or bust for another 5 to 10 years. the team isn’t getting younger

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      So what if the Braves went harder after Upton? They obviously thought he was worth more than what Amaro offered. BUT HE PROBABLY ISN”T. The Braves also had a little more left in their budget. Of course, you are entitled to feel Upton is God’s gift to center field.

      Sometimes a player isn’t the ultimate answer to a team’s needs, and I’m sure that was the Phils’ opinion of Upton, or they would have gotten into a bidding war with Atlanta–Amaro generally goes all out to get the guy he actually wants.

      Also, Trumbo isn’t available, so the Braves aren’t getting him without drastically overpaying.

      I’d rather see the Phils make intelligent moves than watch them blow up the budget for the .250 hitting Uptons of the world.

      And by the way, it’s RUF, not RUFF.

       
  • Posts: 0 matt

    I still want to know what will happen with RUFF and what you guys think will happen and what you want to happen.

     
  • Posts: 0 CS

    I’m fine going into the season with an outfield of:
    LF-Ruff
    CF-Revere
    RF-Brown
    4th-Nix
    5th-Incerate

     
  • Posts: 5085 Lefty

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    Who is Ruff?

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      He used to be the head coach of the Buffalo Sabres, if I recall correctly.

       
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      ruff’n ready?

       
    • Posts: 0 Matt

      Sorry Ruf. I got it. Anyway do you guys think he will get playing time in left field ?

       
      • Posts: 5085 Lefty

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        I apologize too Matt. I had a few too many last night, I don’t usually make fun of people’s spelling on internet sites. And I normally stay away from the keyboard when I get snookered, so sorry about that.

        To answer your question, I know that Charlie Manuel has expressed that he likes his hitting. I think it depends on several things- ( I might be forgetting some, but off the to top of my aching head)
        1. Will they sign Ross or any of the other FA’s
        2. Will they make any trades we don’t expect.
        3. If they do and one of them includes one of our present outfielders that would help him.
        4. If they trade Mayberry, Ruf might be a back up First baseman since that seems to be his real position anyway.
        5. How well he plays in Spring Training.
        6.Unforseen injuries to other players. (we always have some)

         
  • Posts: 0 matt

    Ill agree with you CS. i just want to see some more hussle out of brown, he really let me down at the end of last year. He didn’t seem to hussle like he should have, . you fans come down hard on jimmy for the same reasons.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      From what I read, Brown had some leg issues at the end of last year. Ever try running hard when your leg hurts like heck?

       
      • Posts: 0 Matt

        Then why was he played ? That seemed like a bad idea to me. But if he was hurting then there is a point I make about him. He’s hurt a lot and his production isn’t great, so why keep him? All he has proven to me is ,he’s pretty good at getting hurt. I dont know about you guys, but I’m sick of all the chronic injury players. This team needs to get rid of the injury bug and if that means removing guys then so be it. Hard to route for a team when half it’s players get hurt all the time.

         
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    Zobrist would be perfect. A deal would have to start with Biddle and brown though.

     
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    The outfield upgrade and potential difference-maker already signed with the Angels.
    Ruben should drop the tent and hope there’s young Mickey Mantle in Single A.
    The Cody Ross’s of the league are not going to budge the team out of 3rd place.

    How quickly the front office has forgotten that the team couldn’t score runs last season.
    Ross’s strikeouts and streak hitting offer nothing new to the lineup.

     
    • Posts: 0 hk

      The team was middle of the league in runs last year. They were also middle of the league in runs against. To me, the biggest failing of this off-season is the weakening of the starting rotation. I liked the Revere trade, but my liking it was based on the premise that they would replace Worley with a better pitcher, not a worse one like Lannan. If they sign Ross, they will end up with marginal hitting upgrades in Young and Ross plus a downgrade in Lannan instead of strengthening the rotation with the likes of Edwin Jax or another #3 starter type for the same money as Young, Ross and Lannan.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        We could say that Kendrick is actually replacing Worley. Considering it wasn’t a shock to see Vance regress some off a real good 2011, coupled with very possibly gutting it out through his last 5 starts or so with the arm (elbow?) deal, he set a standard of numbers last year that Kendrick has a pretty fair chance to minimally match.

        That means Lannan would be left to replace Blanton. Joe pitched so poorly somewherein the July-August range, that Lannan gets a decent headstart on the possibility of surpassing Joe’s 2012 results.

        If Doc isn’t better than last year, don’t none of this matter nohow.

        Can’t take anything for granted, but seems reasonable to assume Cole and Cliff pitch to their 2012 standards, so I could see improved starting pitching from the way they line it up.

        That said, it’s ill advised to go into the year overconfident about the rotation, but even applying monies from elsewhere, there’d still be question on how well the rotation would project. I guess with Sanchez, it’d look good, but I don’t think they have this set up as a poor option..

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        No, Ken, we can’t really say that Kendrick is replacing Worley. Kendrick started 25 games last year, Worley started 23 and Blanton started 20 before he was traded. Kendrick will start 32 games this year if he stays healthy and in the rotation for the entire year, so the most we can say is that Kendrick is replacing 7/23 of Worley or 7/43 of Worley + Blanton.

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Vanimal had a 1.5+ WHIP last year and averaged less than 6 innings per start. Lannan/Cloyd/Pettibone or one of the two minor league contracts should be able to replicate that. Landing Adams for the 8th inning sure will help.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        Lannan has a 1.50 WHIP over the past 3 seasons, but unlike Worley who has struck out 19.9% of the batters he’s faced in his career, Lannan has only struck out 12.1% of those that he’s faced. Worley > Lannan > Cloyd > Anyone else on the farm at this stage in their careers. I have not read one talent evaluator report that Pettibone or anyone else on the farm is nearly ready to pitch in the majors this year.

         
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    personally i said it a few days ago, i’ll repeat it. they’re trying to stay competitive while being in the process of rebuilding. they are not going any higher than 3rd place! too many questions. too many guys coming off of injury years. we need our guys to perform at the levels of their peak performances to challenge for the div. they’re all a year older, and again a few key pieces are question marks! if you’re going hunting for bear and you want to bag one ? it’d be really comforting to know that your gun isn’t going to breakdown ! i for one know that if that were the case i’d make sure my gun was gonna work fine before i went in the hunt. without the question of will it work! same with th phils we don’t know if it’s gonna work, we’d like it to work. but the age of the gun and it’s history tells ya that you need a newer gun. or the bears gonna get ya!

     
    • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

      I’ve said this all along. I really don’t think they want to invest substantial dollars in a team that has so many question marks regarding returning personnel.

       
      • Posts: 5085 Lefty

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        I’m not sure you are right, you don’t know what they are thinking. But for now, let’s say you are right. So why do it, why sign Ross? Why not let the season play out and keep some $ in reserve in case they do well, and spending is needed at or prior to the deadline? Why push the limits of the LT now on an “okay” player?

         
    • Posts: 0 George

      I have to agree pretty much with Lefty here. Ross is anly an OK player, and if the team does decide to rebuild, they shouldn’t spend the money on him.

      I’m not concerned with the rotation; good pitchers have a strange habit of performing well even into their forties. Clemens, Spahn, Carlton, Ryan, even Moyer, and many others have all been winners at advanced ages. Also, the Phils have some decent arms in their system. What truly concerns me is Utley, 3rd base, and to a lesser extent, Howard and Rollins. I think catching is covered, and now they have a very young center fielder with good upside. But there’s very little infield talent in the system, and that will mean costly free agents and trades.

      If the team is in transition, which it appears to me they are, it would be foolish to spend big bucks on a semi-talent like Ross. If the current outfield can’t cut it, make a mid-season trade.

      There are still probably a couple of years left, except maybe for Utley, but burdening the budget with people like Cody Ross can still affect the abilty to spend later.

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        3b Asche/Frandsen
        SS Galvis
        2b weak
        1b Ruff

        that’s not awful. Quinn might be a top 100 prospect this year and Franco is close, bu they are far off.

         
      • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

        I think thats what I was trying to say.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        Psujoe:

        The guys you mention may not be awful, but they’re also unproven, except perhaps Galvis, who still isn’t a given as a hitter. Ruf is pretty old for a prospect, only hit well last year, may be a fluke, and if he’s shifted back to first, left field would be a need. And as you said, 2b is “weak.” That alone is awful without even figuring what the others can or can’t do.

        I honestly hope those guys turn out well, but I have my doubts. I also hope the team can stay in one piece until the Quinns and Francos are ready.

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        I agree that there’s no given in those prospects, but looking at Franden’s track record he’s almost always mashed lefties. At worse you have an average fielding RH non power bat that plays 3b, 2b and 1b. Glavis is a very nice piece for a pitching dominated team. Ruf we just have to hope he can get it done.

        Love the Quinn, Franko future

         
  • Posts: 0 Psujoe

    Hk,

    Lannan was under 1.5 the last two years. He’s not great, but his era in 2011 was 3.73. Vanimal was struggling due to teams getting a book on him. I don’t see the Phil’s #5 coming out of Spring as a downgrade at all. One of the minor league contracts could come through as well Jimenez or the other one(name escapes me).

    The bill pen should be phenomenal this year.

     
    • Posts: 0 hk

      Since Kendrick started 25 games last year, Lannan is effectively replacing Worley. Worley’s career ERA is 3.50 and his career WHIP is 1.35 while Lannan’s career #’s are 4.01 and 1.42, respectively. You can cherry-pick Lannan’s better years or Worley’s injury-plagued season last year to try to make the case look better, but the #4 and #5 spots in the rotation project to be worse next year than they were in 2012.

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        LOL, you’re cherry picking. I’m using the most recent and therefor more pertanent stats. Worley did very well when the opposition didn’t have a book on him. Lannan is very similar, but honestly neither one excits me. Worley could be a solid 4 some day, but I have a feeling he’s going to get crushed in the AL. For all we know Minor or Cloyd could be the #5. I’m not so sure Pettibone won’t be ready later this year after doing well after moving up to AAA.

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Joe, you don’t know how sample sizes work.

        Small, recent sample sizes are not more reliable than large, less recent sample sizes.

        Worley is better than Lannan, and it’s not really debatable.

        Worley has the better strikeout rate, walk rate, HR rate (which is weird since Lannan is a GB pitcher), ERA estimators, ERA, etc. The only thing that John Lannan does better than Vance Worley is induce ground balls, which should be a real treat for a team whose infield includes Ryan Howard and Mike Young at the corners.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        How is Lannan’s 2011 season more recent than his 2012 season, a season in which he posted a 4.26 ERA in 181.3 IP split between AAA and MLB?

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        With a BS degree in mathematics I assure you I understand sample sizes.

        Lannan pitched 6 games in the majors last year with similar results to Worley’s. Worley had an excellent Rookie season, but there’s nothing to indicate that he can replicate that. I;m also not saying Lannan is better it’s just not a significant downgrade if a downgrade at all IMO. We still don’t even know whose going to replace Worley yet.

        Is the 2013 5th starter and Ben Revere better than Worley and Mayberry/Minny Mart? We don’t the answer to that yet.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        If you use the most recent, and therefore the most pertinent stats, why are you happy giving $12M over 2 years to a reliever who had a 3.27 ERA, which is basically the same ERA as produced last year by all of the pitchers who project to be in the Phils bullpen this year?

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Your seariously asking why I would use different metrics to compare a one year wonder in Worley to the consitantly top setup man in baseball?

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Adams had a better era than 13 of 17 Phillies relievers last year.

         
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    IMO Lannan is just an expensive insurance policy. If he doesn’t make the rotation they’ll eat most of his salary and trade him for a long shot prospect.

     
    • Posts: 0 hk

      Are you suggesting that they are still going to sign or trade for a better pitcher or that you think Lannan will start the season as #6 behind Cloyd?

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        I think they go into Spring training with this staff unless they take another flyer on a Brandon Webb or somebody, . The 5th spot is between Minor, Cloyd and Lannan at this point. I believe the Phils pick whoever wins the competition.

         
  • Posts: 0 Schwalmy

    Seems to me Ruff is in the same spot Howard was in when he broke out and was brought up from the minors if I recall correctly everyone was about 50/50 on him replacing Thome.judgimg from that rubin needs to give ruff a shot!!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    just read some good info on Pettibone on phuturephillies. They’re expecting Pettibone to be in the back end of the rotation at some point during the season. They project his upside as a #2 if he improves his curve, but a #4 with his current stuff. he’s one of the reasons I just see Lannan as insurance.

     
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    If history tells us anything it is you need more then five pitchers to get through a season. The Phils have a few arms in the minors that will get a spot start maybe more this year, Lanan is depth and a vetern arm that will eat up innings at the #5 spot, which is about the same as 2012 with a number five guy. I too think they are going to give Ruf a full shot at the LF job with NIx and JMJ there to help out. Also I think the Young signing is also to make sure you actually have a professional hitter to give Chase a rest especially early on in the year. I know you all like to hate. on Ryan Howard, but the fact is this may be the fist time in three years that he comes into camp fully healthy, and on a mission. The limited time Chase played last year, and the extra week or month off will allow him to be more prepared for ST. And if Doc is healthy, and Cole will be better, if that is possible, and Cliff will rebound and get some run support. Assuming Ruf, Brown and Revere in the outfield, and Young on Third, you will have a bench of NIx, JMJ, and Glavis,who will also be able to play 3rd 2nd and shortstop, and seems to be hitting ok in Winter ball, Knowing it is a hitters league. I think that makes this offense slighlty better then last year. And adding to it that the line up will be set up and consistant, even when regulars are sitting,
    JRoll
    Revere
    Chase
    Howard
    Young
    Brown
    Ruf
    Ruiz(when he comes back)
    Pticher
    Rotation
    Cole,Doc,Cliff, KK Lannen

     
 
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