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Report: Phillies Acquire Twins CF Revere for Worley

Posted by Pat Gallen, Thu, December 06, 2012 12:02 PM | Comments: 46
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Revere is an option for CF. (MLB)

-Thursday, 12:15pm: According to Todd Zolecki via Twitter, the Phillies have acquired Twins CF Ben Revere. Vance Worley is in the deal, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com.

An executive told Zolecki, “If they get him, based on what’s available, they did all right.”

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-Ben Revere has taken off in the last hour or so as a target for the Phillies. The Twins are reportedly dying for pitching, and the Phils have set their sights on the 24-year old center fielder, according to multiple reports.

Revere obviously won’t help in the power department, as he’s never hit a homer in the majors. However, he’s good defensively and has quick wheels, making him a possible leadoff batter. That, and he’s super cheap. Revere is not yet arbitration eligible, so while he might cost Vance Worley, he’s under team control for quite a while.

If the Phillies were to zone in on Revere and nab him from Minnesota, it might open things up for a move for a slugging corner outfielder.

-It appears we’re just waiting on a decision from Michael Young. A trade seems close according to Jim Salisbury at CSNPhilly.com, with the only hold up being Young’s no-trade clause, which comes from his 10-5 rights.

If Young is traded, look for the Rangers to pick up $10 million or more of his $16 million contract for 2013. There has been speculation of the players the Phillies would be sending to the Rangers in return, with Michael Schwimer being a prime suspect.

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  • Posts: 0 Pops

    Revere would be under team control until 2017. Cheaper, younger version of Michael Bourn. This would be the creative solution that RAJ is looking for in centerfield. Pull the trigger. With Young and Revere on board, that would still leave room to add another outfielder and that elusive setup man at this bullpen desperately needs.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Looks like a done deal.

      That being said, Ben Revere is no Michael Bourn. He doesn’t have as much power (as little as Bourn has) and he doesn’t get on base at the same rate. But yes, he is cheaper and younger than Bourn, so he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

      And it also looks like it cost Vance Worley. Welp.

       
      • Posts: 0 Dave

        Love the Caddyshack reference Eric!

         
  • Posts: 427 Publius

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    Oh cool, we traded Worley for a dude who’s only plus tool is speed.

    Ugh.

    And stop with the Bourn comparisons. They’re lazy and hold no water.

     
    • Posts: 0 Dave

      Revere is no Bourn, but he could still improve alot because he’s only 24. Besides, Boras is asking for a ridiculous amount of money for a guy who strikes out a ton. If this would allow the Phillies to sign someone like Swisher, I’d be content with the offseason.

       
    • Posts: 0 zoltek

      how do they not old any water ? You want to get bourn to lead off, get on base, steal bases, score runs and play center field… is there anything else he would do ?

      to start… revere’s salary is not even half a million dollars, while bourn will get around 15 MILLION DOLLARS ! revere is also 24 (25 by the time the season starts) where bourn will be 30. Michael bourn has a career 339 obp which isnt exactly hall of fame worthy… revere in 2 damn seasons has a 319 obp.

      you can hate all you want, but there arent a whole lot of 24 year old centerfielders who steal 40-50 bases, and that will probably hit close to if not higher than 300 out there… however there are hundreds of vance worleys and trevor mays.

       
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        There are most certainly not “hundreds of vance worleys and trevor mays”

         
      • Posts: 0 zoltek

        haha nooo… not a whole lot of 3rd-4th starter projected pitching prospects… the phillies have about a dozen of those, as do most teams in the league.

         
      • Posts: 0 c schreiber

        Great post Z. You hit it right on the head. This deal is a STEAL for the P’s. No pun intended. Great deal RAJ

         
    • Posts: 0 Devin

      At least he has a plus tool. Which tool of Worley’s is that great, again? I guess if you want to count “deceptiveness” as a tool. I like Worley, but I don’t expect him to ever repeat his rookie season.

       
    • Posts: 0 mjallen7

      He also needs to go to cap school to learn how to wear a baseball cap. Baseball is NOT a fashion statement on the field! Looks like crap!

       
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        hahaha it’s a game, bro, lighten up.

         
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I like this move. We got a young, controllable player who gives us speed and defense at Centerfield. More importantly, he will be cheap which allows the Phils to spend somewhere else. If Young accepts the trade we covered our holes in Center and Third for $7 million or so. That allows for a reliever and some power in another position.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    Wait, why stop with the Bourn comparisons ??

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Bourn has more power and a better arm.

       
      • Posts: 0 zoltek

        more power??? bourn has 22 home runs in 7 seasons… neither have any power, not a drop.

        I personally think that they end up signing hamilton and putting revere in left, but that is just me..

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Power includes things like line-drive rate which translates into extra base hits like doubles and triples. Revere has 33 extra base hits in over 1000 MLB AB. Bourn has more power than Ben Revere.

         
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      The better comparison is a young Juan Pierre. Which is fine, I guess, just not one of the best all-around CF in baseball, like Bourn.

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Revere is a much better fielder than Pierre ever was. Keep in mind when Bourne was 25 he hit .228 with an OBP of .288 so let’s give Revere a chance. Bourne does have a better arm.

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Keep in mind that when Pierre was 25 he was regarded as an excellent defender with a ton of speed and a noodle arm. That’s exactly what Revere is. Bourn has a plus arm.

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    get that he’s not Michael Bourn .. but he’s a speed guy that had a great OBP in the minors, can steal bags, covers a ton of ground in the OF ….. and saves $$$$ compared to what Bourn is expected to make . .

    From the all important “value” aspect of things, i’d think that Revere is much more valuable for production/cost than Bourn??

     
  • Posts: 0 Dave P

    Gonna miss Worley. Our back end of the rotation is Kendrick and Cloyd…not pretty.

    So we have two premeir lefties in Lee and Hamels, Halladay is a question mark healthwise…rotation got weaker than people will likely admit.

    Anyway, Ben Revere seems decent to good. No power to speak of (no home runs over his short career so far), but he has a low strike out rate and can hit for average. I think he could be a good contributor to the team. Does he bat lead off?

    If he does, top of the order looks…
    Revere (L)
    Rollins (S)
    Utley (L)
    Howard (L)

    Otherwise, no way do they put three lefties in a row.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      from what i understand he hit 2cd in the twins order, and stole 40 bases in about 140 games. maknow and gargano had roy smally on as a guest on their show and asked about revere. smally said he’s a very energetic person who’s super fast and plays great defense. his arm isn’t strong but he said you’ll be amazed at some of the plays he makes, and balls he catches up to. he also said he doesn’t get thrown out much and a few of the ones he did he had the base stolen and overslid. and got picked off once maybe twice. he also said he’s a good team player.
      smally then asked about worley and this may kid, cause he didn’t know anything about him. he said he was happy about the trade cause when he was told that may could be a 3 4 5 rotation guy, he said good cause the twins would be happy with all 5′s that would be an improvement (funny i thought)

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    This trade basically boils down to if people think May will be any good or not … apparently the Phillies don’t. Even if Revere is only Juan Pierre 2.0 …… Pierre in his prime still gives you good value at a low price – isn’t that what the fans have been knocking the Phillies for lately.. overpaying for production

     
    • Posts: 0 zoltek

      well being that most of the phillies fans now didnt watch the phillies when pierre was a marlin… if they saw how he terrorized the phillies, calling this kid a young juan pierre would make them very happy.

       
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    I have to think the Phillies will go get a SP with the money they saved – someone on a 1-2 year deal … Shawn Marcum?

     
  • Posts: 0 Cherry Phil

    Decent move. Would have liked Dexter Fowler over Revere, but I’m guessing they couldn’t get him for this package. Looking at the price for Span (top 50 MLB.com prospect), we didn’t do too bad. Revere is a step down from Span, but we gave up a bottom rotation starter off elbow surgery and high ceiling prospect coming off a bad year. Hopefully this means they have saved enough $$ to add a corner outfielder with power such as Swisher, Ross or Ludwick and a veteran set up man. Not a big fan of Michael Young, unless Texas is picking up almost all of his $$, like 13-14 million.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    The acquisition part of this deal looks good to me. Seems like Revere sees lefty pitching pretty well, too. My feeling is he’ll fit right in, and be an asset.

    As for the price, have to fall back on the have to give up something to get something cliche.
    I didn’t expect the Phils to trade Worley, but I’m on board with Don M on the club signing a starting pitcher now. That’ll be interesting.

    I’m sorry to see Trevor May go. Hope things work out well for him. Well, at a bare minimum would be defined as a better career than Kyle Drabek has had to date.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      yeah ken i’m with you and Don M i understand that he hits lefty’s well! there is some pitching ot there that can be had.A. sanchez for one and edwin jackson. they’re no worse or maybe better than worley and not old either. also both have a no hitter on their resume! i’d leave a spot for the fifth hole for one of the stud minor starters coming up (pettibone) for one. i’d use kendrick and brown and maybe another peice to pry a power bad from someone. RH that is!

       
  • Posts: 0 George

    The biggest problems here are not just having to trade Worley (now they’ll have to find a starter, which could eat any savings in pay), but also that they gave up May in the deal.

    May hasn’t seemed to live up to his potential, so maybe it’s okay. But if he does gain some control, this isn’t the inexpensive deal it appears to be on the surface.

    One other thought: Since the Phils now have filled Cf long term, I think they must not have much confidence left in Gillies. One more injury prone year, and I think they dump him.

     
  • Posts: 0 brooks

    Not much of an impact offensive player – where would he bat? Sure, he does not strike out much but he walks even less. His OBP is less than Jroll, he does not appear to be one to move the runners over with a sac bunt (only 9 bunts in over 1,000 atbats). Where do you bat someone like Revere?

    Does anyone know his arm strength?

    It appears that the Phils gave up quite a bit for not a lot but on the other hand, perhaps Rube saw that Worley was spent after a great first 1/2 of 2011 and sees something special (and cheap) in Revere. Genius, pure genius!

     
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    I would think but who really knows Don. I would hate to rely on KK (and i like KK but we never which KK will surface) and Cloyd as i back end rotation. I would think Rube will be in for a reclamation project as usual. Perhaps getting a 4/5 starting pitcher was cheaper than getting a high profile OF’er. Pay Revere his salary and get a 4th starter for 6-7 mill. Rube is trying to be creative and realizes or has been told buddy you dont have a blank check anymore. However one never knows what the situation is really.

     
  • Posts: 0 phil

    This trade is brilliant. Please give me 5 years of a cost controlled defensive minded slap singles hitting speedy centerfielder who is 25 years old in may for Worley and May. He had a 3.4 WAR in 123 games last year. He doesn’t strike out either…he is young and had great plate discipline in the minors which will develop in the majors. He’s just going to get better. This frees up a lot of money. Now go sign swisher Wilson or Adams and dempster or Marcum and this off season is incredible.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jeff

    great move. great great. you jerks who are saying bad move. this guy is 24 with so much potential at the top of the lineup. set the table. we need the speed and a .294 batting average. vance was a one year wonder. great move. great

    love it.

    bourn is older.

     
    • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

      and there ya go! i like it too jeff. finally rubes using his dipstick ! get younger, pay little, buy more.

       
  • Posts: 13 xxLouA

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    as already been said in news here, he might be the beginning of a real Domino effect for the Phil’s….Vance W.
    He keeps giving ppl away and got nothing far as I’m concerned….HE Revere MIGHT be good???
    RA sucks with his deals…..The Doc and Lee might be OK this year and then they might NOT….so what’s left ….Amaro got lots of pitching and gave away all the hitting….Now we got another SO artist to compliment Ryan…..

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      What hitting did Amaro give away? Lou Marsden? Jason Donald? In 2011 he gave up prospects like Singleton who might hit, but it will take a few more years for them to develop. And in that case, he was trading for a hitter.

      And who says Revere is a strikeout artist?

       
    • Posts: 0 c schreiber

      How is Revere a strikeout artist?? He K’s very little, dud. GREAT F___ing deal Rube.

       
  • Posts: 1124 betasigmadeltashag

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    I will first admit that I do not know a ton about Revere, and maybe I have a too much faith in the FO of the Phillies but I think this is just a peice to their plan. The Young thing bothers me a bit because I am not sure his D is worth the posibility of a declining bat. But I think they have a plan for pitching I would like to see one of the A’s FA I am not a believer in Cloyd yet. But I think we will have a 3-4 pitcher before Christmas. I would hope they would have a little faith in Fransen, like they seem to have in Ruff.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    As a value proposition it looks pretty good. I think it would help if people looks at him as a “piece” and not one of the guys we will rely on to carry the offense. His skills do not suggest that he’s a good leadoff hitter but he is certainly a player anyone could use in their offense and we just got him for pretty cheap.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 1124 betasigmadeltashag

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    I know I say this all the time, and most disagree but agree or disagree, JRoll is the Phillies lead off hitter. Charlie tried to move him around with Utley out last year and his numbers declined, and his numbers as lead off were a lot better. Get used to it, Charlie is not looking for a lead off hitter he already has his his name is Jimmy Rollins

     
    • Posts: 0 c schreiber

      Beta, guarentee Revere leads off. He’s faster than anyone the P’s have or have had (Vic) so the correct thing to do is put him on top of the lineup with lessons/instruction on taking more pitchs. His job on offense is to get on base nothing else and that as I’m sure you know is a lead off’s job. Jroll has too much power with Revere in lineup too even be considered by Cholly for 1st hole.

       
  • Posts: 0 gmopro

    Juan Pierre’s OBA lifetime is around .350. This Revere kid’s is .319 lifetime. he never walks. So we have to rely on him hitting .300 to get on base. He has to learn how to draw a walk. 29 walks last yr. That ain’t gonna cut it. Very lite hitter. Get on base!

     
  • Posts: 0 Psu joe

    Smalley also said that batting in front if Morneua that Rivera saw lots if strikes. Nothing in his minor league record to indicate a lack of patience. 6th fastest player in MLB. Said he saves way more runs with his range and glove than gives up with his arm. A great pickup.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I couldnt pick Revere out of a line up and know little to nothing about him.

    I do know that now was the time to trade Worley. Really the time to move him was after the 2011 season.

    If this puts Rollins hitting 7th or 8th were he should have been at least the last 2 years thats jsut a nice bonus.

     
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      Andrews back

       
 
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