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Report: Phils Talked Brown-for-Soriano Swap with Cubs

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, December 11, 2012 07:08 PM | Comments: 34
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Soriano to Philly? Forget it. (MLB)

According to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, the Phillies have discussed trading Domonic Brown to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano. Jayson Stark of ESPN chimed in on twitter and said it’s a long shot to happen.

Thank the Lord.

Soriano is owed $36 million over the next two seasons and is 36-years-old (37 in January). He still has a little bit of power left in his bat, but for how long? How would this deal make any sense whatsoever, unless the Phillies are that low on Brown they’re willing to deal him for an aging left fielder with an albatross of a contract.

Even if Ruben Amaro were to get the Cubs to chip in all the money left on Soriano’s deal, it would be a mistake. The report from Heyman says the Cubs would throw in $26 million. Not enough.

And that’s no knock on Soriano, this just wouldn’t be a smart deal for the Phillies.

Let’s hope this proves to be very, very false.

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  • Posts: 0 Dan F

    this would make absolutely no sense for the Phillies. An aging corner outfielder who is losing most of his skills, for a young corner outfielder who has potential to be great and has shown flashes of it before.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    All reports are saying it didn’t really have legs. This probably had more legs than the 3 year $80 million contract offer that 610 is reporting.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    In all honesty, Soriano is someone I think is worth exploring if you can’t land Swisher or Hamilton. I’d take 2 years of Soriano at $10 million over Ross at 3 years and $25 million, but not at the cost of Brown. I’d offer a B level prospect where we have depth at best.

     
    • Posts: 5282 Lefty

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      To get rid of 10 million dollars of that contract, I believe the Cubs would take a B level prospect. My question would be, is that what the Phils think Dom Brown is? That would really be a damn shame.

       
      • Posts: 0 Phil

        He’s not a prospect anymore.

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Phil, he’s had fewer than 500 major league at bats over three seasons.

        We still have no idea what he’ll do at the major league level. Whether or not you qualify him as a “prospect” is up to you, but he’s a huge unknown with a ton of talent who has the opportunity to become a very good player.

         
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I do not think its just the Phillies who are that low on Domonic Brown right now. His inability to seize a job has greatly diminished his value.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      That’s assuming the Phillies gave the idea any serious consideration, which would be both surprising and very troubling.

       
  • Posts: 0 JohnMatrix

    was brown sooo bad last year? i dont know any of his fancy stats such as OBP and the like, i know he dindt hit for great power, but seemed to get hits. honestly, let the kid have a shot for a year in RF.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phil

    His wrist is finally healthy, so I agree with JohnMatrix

     
  • Posts: 0 JohnMatrix

    Coincidentally, im wearing my Brown shirtsey as i read this. I would be super mega pissed if they traded him.

     
  • Posts: 5282 Lefty

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    I don’t believe this particular rumor necessarily, but I absolutely believe Dominic Brown is on the block. It makes sense, he’s one of the best trade pieces they have left.

    That said, I really hope he’s not traded.

     
  • Posts: 3020 Chuck A.

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    I’m not a big D Brown fan…never drank the Koolaid. But this deal would be stooooooo-pid. Let the kid play a full year to actually see what we have. Honestly, I’d rather pay Josh Hamilton $30M per year for 3 years than do this.

     
  • Posts: 0 gmopro

    Can Soriano play right field? I thought he was a left fielder? Ruf is in left.

     
  • Posts: 0 Cary

    I brought up Soriano as an option for the Phillies weeks ago, but under specific conditions:
    1) Phils pay no more than $5 mil/year of what’s owed Soriano
    2) All other options were exhausted (My first choice was Torii Hunter)
    3) Phils give up very little in return.
    Under those parameters I think there is very little risk on the Phils part. I hate his strikeouts but he’s right handed and hit 32/108 last year. I’d take similar production out of LF this season. We can debate all year if Dom Brown is too high a price, but how long do we wait for him to reach his potential? The Phillies have waited too long too often in the past for their uber-prospects to come through (see Jones, Ron and Stone, Jeff among others). If Hamilton signs elsewhere I’d make a run at Soriano. Again, he hit 32 HRs last year and knocked in 108. We couldn’t use something close to that?

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Cary, for me, I wait until Domonic has at least one full season at the major league level before I decide he’s a bust. He just turned 25, and has averaged about 160 AB per year over parts of three seasons. That’s just not enough time to be able to make any kind of accurate assessment.

       
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      For what it’s worth, the Bill James model is projecting, based on their trends and ages, that Brown will hit better than Soriano next year:

      Soriano: .245/.304/.462 (.766 OPS, .325 wOBA)
      Brown: .274/.347/.445 (.792 OPS, .342 wOBA)

      But if turns out to be wrong, I’d rather give Brown a chance to prove that rather than throw away a cost-controlled player with a high ceiling for a two years of 37/38 yo outfielder.

       
  • Posts: 0 George

    Rumors, rumors, rumors.

    I’m tired of them, because none of these possible deals ever give any details as to who actually wants what, why it may or may not have “legs,” which team initiated talks, and a million other important aspects. Teams talk about this, that, and the other thing all the time. It’s like putting Cliff Lee on waivers; GMs are constantly trying to appraise what others think of their talent. 99% of it is talk, and the other 1% is talk inflated by gossiping reporters looking for 15 minutes of fame. Just like earlier, when fans thought Worley and May(?) should have been sent to Cleveland for Cabrera. No one seemed to notice that the Indians had actually asked for TWO prospects along with Worley, this one will generate far more kneejerk comments than it should.

     
    • Posts: 3020 Chuck A.

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      Then don’t read them. Don’t participate in the debate. George, rumors are part of what makes this time of year so interesting and fun.

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        One has to read the rumors just in case some idiot sportswriter actually gives facts that are generally left out.

        However, unlike so many others, I’m not going to overreact and call the front office a bunch of undeserved names for an alleged deal that nobody has any real information on. I don’t happen to find blasting the front office for mere discussions as being interesting in the least.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    Ifthe Phils swap Brown for Soriano, then Amaro should be immediately fired.

     
  • Posts: 0 psujoe

    I would take Soriano and $26 million for nothing since it takes a 40 man roster spot.

     
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    no no no soriano! please! i’m not a brown fan but i do agree with ericL that brown should be given the whole year to determine once and for all if he has IT. unless they sign a hamilton , or ross (who i don’t like). but if brown does get traded i’d do it fo a set up guy. if anybody would take him for that pitcher. i don’t think so.
    i’m a realist. the phils are at a crossroad this year. and the right road to take is this.if we don’t land a RH bat with power, or even if we do. with so many health answers still in question does anybody think with the nats and braves even stronger that the phils will finish no higher than 3rd place. sadly i don’t. but if anything we’ll find out exactly what we have and need going onto the 14 season. and realistically the phils are gearing in my eyes to stay competitive while rebuiding!
    they’re not gonna say they’re rebuiding cause they might not sell as many tickets. but listening to the phils brass and how they’re going about this offseason tells me they’re filling holes as cost effective as possible. if they thought they were (this ) close to a division title, i don’t think the money would even be an issue with the phils. (check the recent path). and they’re gonna have more holes to fill for 2014. i think chooch and utley have contracts coming to a close. what do you do with those two?

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      They did play at a 95-win pace in the second half last year, so I don’t think they’re that far from the pack.

      I also don’t think they’re done yet for this off-season.

      As for Chooch and Utley, I think Chooch almost certainly gets extended/re-signed, regardless of what he does with the bat post-suspension. Utley will likely depend on how healthy and productive he is next year. If he remains a top second baseman and can stay on the field for most of the season, I can certainly see them extending him for, say, two years at a reduced salary.

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        The Phils did finish really strong, but a contributing factor was a .330+ average and .380+ OBP from third base. I don’t think the Phils can expect that again. On balance over the whole season I do think Young/Frandsen improves on Polanco/Wigs/Frandsen.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        That, and a struggling, not fully healed Howard, and a less than stellar Halladay.

        Also, Frandsen only started 49 of the 75 second-half games. The rest were Polanco, Fontenot, Orr, and Martinez.

        All the third base starters combined hit .293/.334/.392 (.726 OPS) in the second half.

         
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        I forgot about Fontenot who actually was a nice addition. I really like having Frandsen and Galvis as the Utility guys. There are a lot of options with those two. Frandsen plays all infield except SS. He has always hit lefties well so he’s a very good option to spell Chase at 2b, even Howard at 1b.

        Yeah, no more minny Mart!

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        yea schmenk i hear ya pal! uor’re also right on that pace. and i do hope those two have more in the tank. they’re 2 of my favorite players. i just don’t want to get my hopes up too high. there’s just way too much that has to go right. and usually when that happens ? it usually doesn;t go right. but i’m on the same page with you schenk andpsujoe too.

         
    • Posts: 0 hk

      Ryne,

      That’s an interesting take, but if they are rebuilding, why would they part with two young, cost-controlled pitchers (especially Bonilla who was the 12th rated prospect in the system) for a 36 year old 3B who might or might not be an upgrade over Frandsen? If this rumor is true and if it is RAJ who pursued it, I would look at this potential deal as the 180 degree opposite of rebuilding. If they trade Brown for Soriano, it would say to me that RAJ feels like he has to win this year or next or be out of a job.

       
      • Posts: 0 psujoe

        Phils aren’t rebuilding, but they are building while keeping an eye on the future. Only thing with Bonilla is the Phils already have 19 pitchers on the 40 man roster and they’ll probably add 2 more(set up and fifth starter). I believe Julio Rodriquez needs to be added next year as well. I believe there’s around 8 or 9 relievers ahead of him so trading him made some sense. One could argue if the piece he was traded for was the right one.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        well hk my take on that is the 36 yr old guy is a good pickup but not a long term one. they have asche in their sights. and as far as parting with two cost controlled pitchers? well is was on all their minor league sights yesterday just curious to see what kind of pitching depth they have and it’s pretty impressive at every level at least 1 or 2 guys. some three and i didn’t count the ones who played with us last year. we have at least 3 stud starters and a good amount of releivers still. so my though was if they could buy a little time for asche to be ready why not deal from strength. ya know limblum didn’t impress me at all last season and bonilla was still 2 years away so why not. i don’t see them trading brown for soriano because as much pitching depth we have, we have almost no depth in position players for 2-3 yrs. i just thought maybe they were trying to kept it very competitive while not say the rebuild word. if they sign hamilton then of course they’re not rebuilding and you guys can laugh at my analogy. lol and i’ll take it on the chin.

         
  • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

    i think halliday’s is up also. do we love those guys? of course! do we want to keep them? sadly no it’s time to move on from these players who gave us so many thrills on this run, and start bringing up the younger guys. we’ll have to see what the 2 high rated catching prospects have, and the 2cd baseman hernandez. also a RH outfield bat castro. and we’ll have to aquire some in trades cause the cupboard is pretty bare position wise.
    but back to the point . soriano? no way.if we’re rebuilding then let brown have RF and ruf have LF. and if pettibone is pitching good and we don’t have a solid 5th starter then bring him up asap. start infusing some young talent this year.

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike in NJ

    Not opposed to trading Brown, but FFS quit trying to trade for guys on their last legs. Brown for a quality young starter or set up guy? OK. Brown for a 37 year old outfielder?!? eff no! Plus, I’m pretty sure he’s a LF, and then you still have to sign a RF. I’d rather give Brown a full year to prove he can’t play than sign Cody Ross or even Nick Swisher to play RF.

     
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    Would anyone trade Domonic Brown straight up or in some combo for Curtis Granderson if the Yankees are putting out feelers, as rumored?
    Just a question.

     
 
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