Revere the First Step to a Successful Offseason?
Posted by Corey Seidman, Thu, December 06, 2012 03:23 PM | Comments: 109
Acquisitions, Analysis, Rumors, Signings, Trades, Transactions
Raise your hand if you thought Ruben Amaro‘s first big move of the offseason would be trading for Ben Revere.
Over at CSNPhilly.com, Jim Salisbury and I did a 20-man series on Phillies offseason targets and he wasn’t on the list. ‘Tis the beauty of the winter meetings.
Let’s break this Revere trade down bit-by-bit, because there are so many components to it.
Did the Phillies give up too much? Did they get enough? Where does Revere hit? How do they replace Vance Worley? What is the next move? Does this open the door for a Josh Hamilton signing? (Yes, and I’ll explain why…)
But before getting to those questions…
Who is Ben Revere?
He’s a 24-year-old outfielder who spent most of last season in right field for the Twins, but is unquestionably fast enough to handle everyday CF duty. He’s played over 1,100 innings in center and is regarded as a very good defender with an incredibly weak, Juan Pierre-like arm.
He hit .294/.333/.342 last season with 40 steals in 49 attempts. He has no home runs in 1,064 plate appearances at the major-league level, and he barely hits any doubles.
Last season, 66.9% of Revere’s balls in play were ground balls. Not only did that lead the majors easily, it was the highest groundball rate any qualifying player has posted since 2002, when the data first became available. This is a good thing … speedsters should be putting the ball on the ground and trying to leg out singles. Revere led the AL in 2012 with 32 infield hits and finished third in baseball with nine bunt singles.
At 24, he probably hasn’t yet hit his ceiling, so it is pretty silly to see some outlets analyzing the trade from the standpoint of “this is who Revere is, and he will never be better.” The Phillies are hoping Revere turns into the next Michael Bourn. Revere over the next handful of years will probably cost less than Bourn does in 2013 alone.
Did the Phillies give up too much?
Perhaps, but like all prospect trades, nobody knows if they gave up too much or too little for another five years. Revere is more valuable to the Phillies than Worley, because Revere fills a giant hole and will play every day. Worley, unlike Revere, has likely hit his ceiling. He’s a No. 4 starter who can get plenty of called strikes with his two-seam fastball but doesn’t have “great” stuff and is prone to wildness when he isn’t getting calls on the corners.
May has a huge arm and just as much upside, but after moving up to Double-A last year took a step back. His strikeout rate dropped from 12.4 to 9.1, and he’s still walking close to five batters per nine innings. He could be a No. 2 or No. 3 starter for the Twins someday. But it’s a big if. And the Phillies needed a centerfielder. It’s not as lopsided a trade as some might think.
May was a bit surprised by the trade.
“Ruben called me at 9 a.m. pacific to give me the news,” May told our minor league expert, Jay Floyd. “I’m not totally surprised, but it is pretty crazy to think about.
“I am very excited and it’ll be a great opportunity for me [with the Twins]. I’ll miss all the guys in the Phillies organization and I appreciate all of the opportunities I was given there. That said, I’m excited to get to spring training in Fort Myers and show the Twins and their fans what I’ve got.”
Where does Revere hit?
Probably second, so Jimmy Rollins doesn’t have to move out of the leadoff hole he and Charlie Manuel are so reluctant to remove him from. Revere could be a valuable two-hole hitter because of his high-contact rate, his ability to turn grounders into base hits and the threat of a bunt hit, not a sacrifice.
I’m picturing plenty of double steals in their futures.
How do they replace Worley?
This is where things get really interesting. As of this second, the Phillies’ rotation is Hamels-Lee-Halladay-Kendrick-Cloyd. But Tyler Cloyd did not pitch well at all in the majors last September and gave the Phillies little reason to pencil him in for 32 starts.
The Phils are now a player for a mid-level starting pitcher. Names include: Edwin Jackson, Jair Jurrjens, Erik Bedard, Dallas Braden, Francisco Liriano, Brandon McCarthy, Shaun Marcum and Carlos Villanueva.
So … can they make a run at Josh Hamilton?
The last and most important question. The honest answer is “yes.”
By saving so much money on Revere, the Phillies will have about $141.5 million committed next season to 20 players. That factors in salaries in the $414,000 – $600,000 range for Antonio Bastardo, John Mayberry Jr., Domonic Brown, Freddy Galvis, Josh Lindblom, Justin De Fratus, Phillippe Aumont and Mike Stutes/Jake Diekman.
The luxury tax threshold is $178 million. It includes player bonuses and benefits, so you have to have a cushion … you need to be at about $168 million to feel comfortable that you won’t be over at the end-of-season count.
That leaves the Phillies about $27 million to spend on the 2013 payroll. So, yes, they are a player for Hamilton and if they were to offer him a five-year, $110 million contract, they’d still have some money to sign a starting pitcher and cheaply fill a few bench spots.
Revere might not be B.J. Upton, Angel Pagan or Bourn, but unlike that trio he gives you the financial flexibility to improve in other areas. If Amaro can bring in a big-time bat, this has the potential to be his finest, most creative offseason to date.


















Posts: 0 Ken Bland
This probably about 99.99% just for the fun of it, but I’m aware that Mike Bourn remains a more free than he’d like agent, and everyone from Blue Bell to South Street expects the Phils to add a corner OF and it lends toward an interesting Phils allignment. Man, you talk about speed. Any ball hit beyond SS in the air would be caught. If by some quirk of fate, Charlie hit the top 3 as Jimmy, Revere, Bourn, you’d have the Greatest American slideshow since the Cardinals ran billboards showing Louis Brock sliding into second, with my mainest man, Bake McBride in that same lineup. It’d be fun, for sure.
It’ll be interesting to see what kind of market Boras wiggles out of space for Bourn. At 30, he’s just to young to follow a Jermaine Dye or Johnny Damon type freezeout, but whoever he signs with is gonna still get a good ballplayer.
Posted: 10:59 AM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 Dave
Revere is fast. An A.L. pitcher said this about him…”Once he hit a line drive right past my ear. I turned around and saw the ball hit his ass sliding into second.” -
Posted: 11:28 AM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 hk
Maybe he can run faster than his weak arm apparently enables him to throw. If so, he run the ball from CF to 3rd base and tag out runners trying to go 1st to 3rd on him.
Posted: 12:28 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 phil
Bourn doesn’t really have any suitors left that can pay him what he wants. The reds are the only team who might be able to swing something. I would sign bourn for center on a 1 year deal and put revere in left and show case a team built on speed and defense.
Posted: 11:36 AM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 CS
10-15 on Bourn? Doubt it, we solved the speed problem. Right handed power, and pitching are our new problems.
Posted: 12:03 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 phil
Apparently he has changed some mechanics in his throw to make his arm serviceable
Posted: 01:17 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 1077 EricL
JOSH HAMILTON JOSH HAMILTON JOSH HAMILTON. Sign him, Rooooben.
That is all.
Posted: 01:41 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 531 schmenkman
I also posted this elsewhere, but it bears repeating. Revere doesn’t walk much, but it’s not because he swings at everything. On the contrary, he is actually pretty discipllined, but pitchers pound the strike zone because they’re much more afraid of him getting on base by a walk, than they are of him getting an extra base hit.
Out of 230 qualifying hitters in 2010-12:
- % of pitches in the strike zone (48.5%) is 24th highest in MLB
- % of pitches outside the zone that he swung at (25.4%) is 50th lowest
- % of pitches IN the zone that he swung at (55.6%) is 10th lowest
And when he swings at a pitch in the strike zone, he makes contact 96.1% of the time, 6th highest
Stats are here: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=5&season=2012&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=7,d
Posted: 02:52 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 3467 Lefty
Very educational Schmenkman, thanks-
Posted: 03:00 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 Ken Bland
Yo, Lefty,
Here’s more education for ya. I see a few more postive comments about Young, I was thinking you were getting pretty lonely before that. Positive thoughts on it from Dave Cameron.
We’ll see when he approves the deal. Okay, if. Details, details.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/michael-young-a-good-bet-for-philadelphia/
Posted: 05:32 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 3467 Lefty
Thanks Ken,
I have to tell you that I’m pretty bullheaded once I make up my mind. So in cases like this loneliness is irrelevant to me, but thanks for caring man, I appreciate it. Dave C. and I are not always on the same page, but this time our thinking is spot on. Not only does it show in the graph, but sometimes in baseball, with a new city, new uniform, and new teammates- the bounce back season is more likely than the trend. Are you old enough to remember when we picked up Ted Sizemore for a song? Or just look at last season, where are the Yankees without Ibanez? Don’t misunderstand, I’m not for giving old guys three year deals, but when you can pick up someone like Young for little to nothing and salary relief, IMO- act fast and go for it.
Posted: 09:28 PM on December 7, 2012
Posts: 0 Ken Bland
Course I could look it up, but what’s the fun of that. I think Sixemore’s chronology was Dodgers, Cardinals, Phils. I don’t remember much about Sizemore’s stop here, I believe I remember him being pretty much in decline with the Cards, good ballplayer with LA. When he was with the Cards, guys like Gibson and Brock were about shot, so the environment did him no favors. I guess my feeling is Young would play to mixed reviews here. But the one year stopgap’s not a terrible idea. Probably be his luck to come here, and then the Rangers finally win it all, but he’s really taking a chance on how many at bats he’d get in Texas. He took that chance once before and it worked out, but youth is really pressing him now.
Cameron’s pretty cool. He’s pro Phils just enough to come off not anti-Phils. I mean he calls the numbers as he sees them, and most any transaction is debatable, but as I remember it, he was a little more negative about the 2011 ballclub than I’d have liked to see, but that’s life. Strikes as good people.
Posted: 10:23 PM on December 7, 2012