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Big Money if Delmon Young Makes Weight

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Wed, January 23, 2013 05:20 PM | Comments: 16
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Young can receive up to $600,000 in bonuses if he makes weight for the Phillies.

A lot has been said about Delmon Young, including but not limited remarks about his rapid weight gain since becoming a Major Leaguer. Now, Young has incentive to see a new him the next time he looks in the mirror. The 2012 ALCS MVP will face six random weigh-ins from the Phillies – each time he makes weight, he will receive $100,000. The first three times, in order to receive the bonus, he must be 230 lbs or less, the second three, 235 lbs or less. Yes, you read that correctly – Young has incentive to lose weight but there is
no penalty should he re-gain an extra five pounds.

Young is currently listed at 240 lbs – assuming the first weigh-in will happen during the regular season, he has until potentially April 1 to lose 10 lbs, a clip of .15 lbs a day. Assuming a deficit of 3,500 calories is a pound of body fat, Young could maintain a deficit of 522.38 a day and healthily lose the weight by Opening Day.

Last year, we learned about some of the incentives players on the Phillies received should they accomplish great, but unlikely, things. For instance, Brian Schneider would have earned $100 K each should he have been the NL or World Series MVP in 2012 and Scott Podsednik would have earned $50 K had he become MVP. As a personal aside, I have struggled with my own weight and body image, so I know how difficult this can be. Hopefully, for his own health, the good of the club, and some cash, Young can shed a few extra pounds.

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Ian Riccaboni has written 779 articles on Phillies Nation.

Ian's athletic achievements include getting stuffed by NBA center Aaron Gray in high school and hitting .179 over four years for NYU against D-III, NAIA, JuCo, and NCBA schools. Ian hopes his athletic successes will help him achieve his dream of becoming the underground Bob Uecker.

 
 
  • Posts: 1135 EricL

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    Good god what a train wreck this is turning into.

    The guy gets $600k for staying under 230 lbs? hahaha

    And his other incentives are for being on the roster and amassing plate appearances?

    These aren’t “performance bonuses” they’re “attendance bonuses.”

     
    • Posts: 2981 Chuck A.

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      I could see having a bonus such as this if…say….he was pushing 300 lbs. and needed to get to 230. But he weighs 240 right now!! That’s ten freaking pounds. That’s it. How the eff hard is that??!! Jesus…

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        He is currently listed at 240 pounds, but I don’t know how regularly those things are updated. He may be higher now.

         
      • Posts: 0 Don M

        I feel like almost all of the heights and weights are exaggerated for players …. Chipper Jones is listed as 6’4″, 210 lbs …………. there is not a chance in the world that Chipper Jones was anything less than 230 in the past few seasons

         
  • Posts: 432 Ian Riccaboni

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    Semi-related: Former no 1 NFL #1 Pick JeMarcus Russell is now 300 lbs and attempting to come back to the NFL. What would his target be?

     
    • Posts: 524 Bruce

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      I never heard of him but I’m only a casual fan of football. I thought 300 lbs today is close to average for both offensive and defensive linemen in the NFL After all they are growing them big these days (chuckles) Years ago it was the exception to the rule to weigh that much.

       
      • Posts: 432 Ian Riccaboni

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        Bruce – I’m right there with you. Casual football fan, too, but most QBs are between 220-250 I think. JaMarcus was certainly no where near 300 lbs when he came into the league. I think the linemen are around 280-320, with the lower end being the quicker D linemen. For instance, Fletcher Cox of the Eagles is listed at 298 lbs.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    He still needs to be on roster. This all lends itself to a tough tryout period.

     
  • Posts: 524 Bruce

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    So Delmon Young has among his lucrative incentives a weight maintenace provision. ;-)

    Less weight on the ankle could speed up his recovery from the November surgery.Young did say he would not be fully ready to play for up to 16 weeks. So one would think he will be put on the 15 day DL prior to the season opener.Therefore, with Young’s absense during Spring training, Brown and Ruf should have the opportunity to play and show what they can contribute to the team.

     
  • Posts: 0 schmenkman

     
    • Posts: 2981 Chuck A.

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      And I would agree with that valiant defense. It’s $750,000 (although now we learn of those “incentives” which might not be all that difficult to obtain) and he’s only guaranteed a shot at playing time. Same with Brown, Ruf and Mayberry. Nix, too. They all will get a good, strong look this spring. As I said before…the competition is healthy. I really don’t see this as a bad thing at all. Let’s just let it play out before we rush to too much judgement.

       
  • Posts: 0 hk

    RAJ signed an injured, overweight player who has been bad at bat and horrible in the field and on the bases over the past few seasons and who was most likely struggling to get a major league contract and he agreed to pay him if he stayed in shape. Wow. Well done Rube, or is it rube?

     
  • Posts: 0 art kyriazis

    i’ve run the numbers on all of the phillies off-season moves, and the bottom line on the Delmon Young signing is that it’s probably a bad mistake. Delmon Young is such a bad fielder that even if he hits well, his most likely WAR contribution will be @ .1, because his bad glove will completely cancel out his offensive contributions. Compare that to Hunter Pence, who had ..7 WAR in 101 G, or on pace to be 1.0 WAR–at least he wasn’t hurting you.

    The actual best move for the Phillies would be to sign the still available Mike Bourn, who was first in the NL in Defensive WAR, and had a 6.0 WAR overall, and have him play CF. They should then have Ben Revere play RF fulltime, because Revere is a defensive demon. If Bourn plays CF and Revere plays RF, then we can expect 4.47 WAR from Bourn in CF and 2.90 WAR from Revere in RF, most of that being defensive. It won’t even matter if they hit.

    Compare that to 1.3 WAR from Victorino and .7 WAR from Pence in 101 G each last year, and you immediately see a huge upgrad–it would be 7.37 wins in lieu of 2 wins, or an instant improvement of nearly 5.5 wins over last years OF. Then I would probably get rid of Dominic Brown and Delmon Young, who can’t play defense–Dom Brown has a career minus 1.8 WAR in 147 G–and instead play Lance Nix in LF together with Mayberry and Ruf. Mayberry has averaged a win share per 150 games, while Ruf hit 40 HR last year and accumulated .3 WS in just 12 games–that projects to 3.0 win shares in 120 games. If you platooned Nix and Ruf, you might expect to get as many as 1.2 win shares from Nix and 3.0 win shares from Ruf. That would be 4.2 win shares, compared to the 1.9 win shares you got from Juan Pierre. Overall, that’s a better OF. You’d have overall 7 more wins from your OF.

    On the IF, Ruiz will go down a little, but has an established level of 3.6 WAR. Kratz will double to 2.8 WAR if he gets into 100 G. Howard at 1B should return to @ 1.83 WAR; Utley’s established WAR is 5.8 and he should improve over last seasons 2.9 in 1/2 a season. Rollins will stay round his 2.3 WAR. Polanco and Frandsen’s 1.8 WAR were cancelled by Wigginton’s minus 1.7 WAR for a net .1 WAR. Mike Young has a great bat but a bad glove, but he will give us a net .5 WAR, so we’ll improve there. And, we lose michael martinez and get Freddie Galvis for the whole year, which means Galvis’ glove adds another 1/2 to a whole win share, mainly on defense, assuming he rests Utley, Rollins or Young a fair amount. Overall, the Phils can pick up 10 win shares on offense without Bourn, but can pick up 15 with Bourn.

    On the pitching side, getting rid of all the bad bullpen guys will save the Phils 3 WAR on pitching, and Mike Adams gives them 1.3 WAR, so the bullpen will improve 4.1 WAR, plus Papelbon actually has an established level of 2.2, not 1.6 WAR, so the bullpen can go to 4.6 WAR. Hamels and Lee can slightly improve by 1/2 WAR each, Kendrick will be about the same, John Lannan will be better than Blanton or Worley, or at least a wash, and then Halladay has an established WAR of 6.9 WAR, whereas he only gave us .7 last year. His career average dropping high and low is 4.2. Assuming all this, the Pitching Staff should improve by 11 WAR to 12 WAR.

    Last year the Phils were 15 WAR batting, 10 WAR pitching; adding 43 to this gave them a predicted wins of 69, whereas they actually won 81.

    This analysis without Bourn gives them a 26 WAR batting, 22 WAR pitching, for 48 WAR, which if you add 43, gives them a predicted win total of 91 wins. If you add Bourn to this mix and eliminate Young and Brown, and move Bourn to CF and move Revere to RF and go with the Defensive Package in the OF, then you move to 31 batting and defense, and you eliminate two potential minuses in Brown and Young–moving the Phils to a predicted 96 win season.

    At this juncture its safe to say, if the pitching holds up, the Phils will challenge again for the NL East crown.

    Ruben Amaro should pull the trigger on the Michael Bourn signing. Its the key to another NL East crown.

    Art Kyriazis

     
    • Posts: 5117 Lefty

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      Very good analysis. But I still hope they keep the first round pick. (The cost of going after Bourn) It will cost them wins now, but IMO- be the right thing to do for the future.

       
    • Posts: 0 George

      I can see a few problems with this analysis.

      1. Moving Revere to right would in all likelyhood ruin his defensive advantages because he has no arm. Doubles to right would almost certainly turn to triples, maybe at times even to inside-the-park home runs. A runner at 2nd would most likely advance on a routine fly ball to right.

      2. Projecting a Ruf WAR total from a mere twelve games is, in my opinion, ridiculous. It’s way too small a sample. Similarly, for Kratz, the WAR total is nonsense because he’ll probably never reach 100 games played. I suppose Ruiz could get injured, but rthen HIS WAR would have to be lowered, which would not be an improvement.

      3. The totals for Wigginton are derived partly from his time at first, so the improvement at third would be questionable.

      I realize and appreciate that you’ve done a lot of research to come up with this data, and I can agree with some of it, if not most of it. But I have to agree with Lefty; keep the draft pick.

       
  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    The lowdown on what Delmon Young needs to work on offensively.

    http://www.freep.com/article/99999999/sports02/399990137

     
 
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