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Phillies Sign Young to One-Year Deal Worth $750K

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, January 22, 2013 03:03 PM | Comments: 98
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Another Young joins the Phillies. (MLB)

From the Phillies:

Outfielder Delmon Young has agreed to a one-year, $750,000 contract with the Phillies, Senior Vice President & General Manager Ruben Amaro Jr. announced today. The contract includes performance bonuses.

Young, 27, batted .267 with 27 doubles, 18 home runs and 74 RBI in 151 games for the Detroit Tigers last year. Against left-handed pitchers, he hit .308 (56-182) with a .500 slugging percentage and, defensively, made 29 starts in left field. In 13 postseason games, Young batted .313 with three home runs and a team-best nine RBI and was named MVP of the American League Championship Series.

“Delmon is an experienced major league bat who will add some depth to our relatively inexperienced outfield and another layer of competition for playing time there as well,” said Amaro.

The first overall selection of the 2003 First-Year Player Draft by the Tampa Bay Rays, Young is a .284 career hitter with 89 home runs and 482 RBI in 880 games for the Rays (2006-07), Minnesota Twins (2008-11) and Tigers (2011-12). He has made 526 career starts in left field, 156 in right field and 29 in center field. Young has batted .310 (281-905) in his career with runners in scoring position and .336 (115-342) in 89 career interleague games against the National League.

Opinion: As I stated just a few hours ago, I don’t really see how this move changes the dynamic of the team. Unless the Phillies are so down on Darin Ruf and Domonic Brown that they thought they needed to do this.

Will this be a RF or LF platoon? Where does he fit in the lineup? If Domonic Brown does not get the opportunity to play a full season because of this move, then it’s an awful job by the front office. At some point, we have to see what Brown can do.

Ruf is different because he’s only done it at the minor league level. However, don’t you want to see what the kid can do after hitting 50-plus bombs?

Amaro is hoping that Young can be the low-risk, high-reward player he’s been seeking.

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  • Posts: 0 ohshay

    delmon young is a bad baseball player and a bad person

     
    • Posts: 4 PhilPhan35

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      What are you using to decide he is a bad baseball player? Outside of his fielding he is an above average hitter. A bad baseball player is someone who cannot hit, field, or run the bases the proper way. Since he is a career .284 hitter, a career .310 hitter with RISP, and a career .336 hitter against the NL I wouldn’t say he is a bad player. And is he really any worse of a person than Brett Myers (Beat his wife), Carlos Ruiz (Suspended for drugs), Darren Daulton (Multiple DUI’s), or Lenny Dykstra (Well everything). Those are all guys we have supported and loved throughout the years. As long as he produces on the field I have no problem with him. Do you really think he will do anything to bring down morale with guys like Halladay, Howard, Utley, Rollins, Hamels, Young, and Lee on the team? I doubt it. Good signing by Ruben… finally that is.

       
      • Posts: 427 Publius

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        89 OPS+ in the last 1000 PAs, “good” for a .267/.299/.403 line and -1.4 WAR…and that’s without playing the field too much. He is A Bad Baseball Player

         
      • Posts: 4 PhilPhan35

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        So basically what you are saying is that because he has been an average… because the last time I checked the line you just put up is not a bad line, just an average one…. that he at the age of 26, which is around the time most players hit their prime (27-32) that he isn’t worth 3/4 of a million dollars? We are also going to fail to mention that in the 5 years prior to 2011 he averaged 103 OPS+, as well as a .292/.325/.449 line I guess. And lets just forget that he has a 0.6 career WAR, which since you wanna only go off of two years I will go off of the other 5, if you eliminate these last two years he has a career 1.3 WAR. Even at 0.6 though, last time I checked that was higher than an average player? Even his -1.2 WAR in 2012 was equal or better than Ryan Howard, and Ty Wigginton. And, his 0.5 WAR in 2011 was equal or better than Domonic Brown, Ben Francisco, Ross Gload, Raul Ibanez, Michael Martinez, Wilson Valdez, and Brian Schneider. So with that being said.. Yes, he is a bad fielder/baserunner… Yes, he is a bad person… No he is not a bad hitter, he is an average hitter, entering his prime, and even an average hitter is better than what we have seen from Wigginton, Francisco, Valdez, Gload, Ibanez, Schneider, and Martinez the last two years, so why not take a chance on him?

         
      • Posts: 427 Publius

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        Actually, his line generated an 89 OPS+, which means he is 11 % worse than the average MLBer. I can explain OPS+ further if needed, because you obviously don’t understand what it tells you. His line is not average, it is below average once you account for ballpark and everything else.

        Also, his WAR is almost guaranteed to plummet as he plays the field more and his defense costs this team runs.

         
      • Posts: 427 Publius

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        Furthermore, the average line last year, context neutral, was .255/.319/.405 , so Young makes significantly more outs than the average line while slugging average. That does not an average player make.

         
      • Posts: 4 PhilPhan35

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        Wow, must not be able to read huh? Let me say it again, entering prime, 2 bad years out of 7, only costing $750,000, better than Schneider, Valdez, Francisco, Brown, Mayberry, Martinez, and a few other questionable players on our team. So bringing me back to my original point he is very much worth it.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Low risk high reward move.

    Why exactly do the Phillies owe Dominic Brown a full season in the OF. I, personally, have seen enough to determine that
    1. The guy can play MLB ball.
    2. He is NOT going to be a superstar.
    3. He is unsure of himself.

    I don’t mind having him in the lineup but if Delmon Young can provide offense that I am all in with that.
    Ruf starts in the minors unless they can move Mayberry.

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Brown has been better than Young the last two years, and is more likely to be better in ’13.

       
      • Posts: 0 Dave

        How has Brown been better than Young the last two years? He has a lower average by about 30 points, only 3 SB’s and 10 home runs. Personally, I don’t see the fascination with Brown. He has shown nothing since he’s been up here except the willingness to take a walk once in a while.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Dave, there is more to hitting than batting average and home runs, as I’m sure you know.

        You can add up all their hitting stats using wOBA (and wRC+ which normalizes it to the league and park), or the more mainstream OPS (and OPS+, which does the same).

        No matter which you use, Brown has been better than Young in 2011-12:

        Young: .305 wOBA (89 wRC+), .702 OPS (89 OPS+)
        Brown: .315 wOBA (96 wRC+), .718 OPS (95 OPS+)

         
    • Posts: 0 William Rennick

      Brown’s biggest issue over the past two seasons was his health. He missed a lot of time with various injuries. I guess we can hope that it won’t happen again in 2013, but beyond that nobody knows how often he’ll play.

      As far as Ruf, a year ago at this time he was nothing more than minor league inventory. Nobody seriously considered him to be a real prospect. It would seem risky not to have another option in the (likely) event that he’s overmatched at the major league level.

       
  • Posts: 0 Keith

    I don’t know what “50 plug bombs” are, but they sound awesome.

     
    • Posts: 0 Jaron B

      “bombs” are also known as “homers” or “home runs”

       
  • Posts: 0 Betasigmadeltashag

    I also think Ruf and Brown deserve a shot at the starting corner outfield spots. But what Young is getting paid if he does not work out you dump him no big deal. I hope Ruf becomes a real power hitter and again for the cost Young can be a bech bat 4th outfield guy. Overall I personally do think this is something that had to be done but for under a million dollars it is worth a shot

     
  • Posts: 0 john

    I think alot of people are missing the problem here.. This move does not replace Brown in the Line-up it replaces Ruf… All he can play is leftfield, and all Ruf can play is leftfield.. I personally was looking forward to seeing how Ruf would do in Left.. Now he will only get a shot if Howard or Young are injured…..I think Brown will fail again and I am tired of watching Mayberry play, and this move won’t help either situation…

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Amaro said he wants Delmon to be the every day right fielder.

       
      • Posts: 0 Devin

        I read play right field from several sources. None of them said “every day”. Do you have a source on that?

         
      • Posts: 0 Devin

        Not doubting, just want to see it.

         
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        I haven’t read or seen anything to indicate he will be anointed the right field position. I think when taken in context, RA Jr’s statements are meant to motivate him- and the others.

        “Ideally, he’d be playing right field every day for us but that’s not etched in stone. That will happen when he shows that he can play every day in right field for us.”

        I just mean, isn’t that what you’d want him to say?

        IMO- The worst case scenario is he can’t play, and then he gets traded to an AL team after July 14th (end of inter league) like Thome last year, for a prospect.

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        I would say that the worst case scenario is that he hits a little bit while being atrocious in the field, but Charlie and Ruben leave him on the field, taking ABs away from Ruf and Brown because they have this unhealthy obsession with “veterans.”

        We know exactly what Delmon Young is. He’s a terrible fielder who sucks on the bases, doesn’t hit righties very well, doesn’t walk, and hits LHP fairly decently.

        We don’t know what Brown or Ruf are yet. Brown’s had fewer than 500 big league at bats. Ruf’s had less than 40. So, yeah, both of those guys might stink, but they also each have the potential of being much better than Young on their own. To take ABs away from them and give them to a known-quantity that isn’t very good is a tactical mistake.

         
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        I’m not arguing whether or not it’s a mistake, I’m on your side. I’m saying he will have to fight for it just as they will. If anything, 750K makes him just as disposable as Brown, Ruf or Nix.

        Remember that acquiring ballplayers doesn’t always mean keeping them- i.e. Dontrele Willis

         
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        We could use an overweight, umpire-assaulting antiSemite in right field.
        Haven’t had one for as long as I can remember.

         
  • Posts: 120 Dave P

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    At 750k, the price is right. Good for the Phillies.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      It can go up to $3.5 million with roster and incentive bonuses.

       
      • Posts: 120 Dave P

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        So the deal is constructed in a way that he’ll only get paid what he’s worth. Still not an issue.

         
      • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

        But I think you wouldn’t mind if he hits those bonuses…

         
      • Posts: 0 EricL

        If on of the bonuses is for playing time or at bats I most certainly would mind if he hit those bonuses.

         
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    If Young hits LHP better than Ruf or Mayberry this year, than word up

     
    • Posts: 0 brooks

      News Flash – Mayberry is done

       
      • Posts: 427 Publius

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        Delmon Young, last 2 seasons: .267/.299/.403, 89 OPS+
        Mayberry, last 2 seasons: .256/ .316/.439, 103 OPS+

        If Mayberry is done, then Young is well done.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Right — and that’s not considering defense.

        Is there any way in which Young is a better player than Mayberry.

         
      • Posts: 0 brooks

        I’m not commenting that Young is a better player than Mayberry – I am saying that Mayberry is a stiff.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I think Mayberry will be around. A 4th outfielder who can mash lefties can make a career of it — ask Cody Ross.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    This is a bargain. Delmon Young CAN HIT. Despite being a goof ball, the dude can swing the
    lumber indeed. And Ruf will benefit from some time at AAA to learn the outfield and face better pitching. Brown will start in right field. If Howard gets hurt, then we also have Ruf to work at first bast. Overall, I like it. If Young acts up, then dump him.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      In 2011 Delmon Young had an OPS+ of 90, or 10% worse than league average.
      In 2012 Delmon Young had an OPS+ of 89, or 11% worse than league average.

      He’s a career 98 OPS+ hitter, so basically just ever so slightly below average.

      That does not equal “can swing the lumber indeed” in my book.

      He’s also atrocious in the field.

      See this: http://gif.mocksession.com/2012/04/delmon-young/
      And this: http://gif.mocksession.com/2012/10/nice-throw-delmon/

      And Amaro is saying he wants him to be the every day right fielder.

      HAHAHAHAAHA

       
      • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

        He just had ankle surgery as well which means either he’ll be worse than the 2011 and 2012 campaigns or the surgery corrected a problem that was the cause of his even worse than usual defense. In all, fairness, he did crunch in the ALCS and not one other Phillies outfielder can boast a series MVP award. My guess is that he’ll never sniff the incentive numbers in the contract any more than Rodrigo Lopez will sniff the numbers in his.

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        Young’s defensive numbers have been bad every single year of his career, except for the 30 games he played as a rookie in 2006. Every season in which he’s had any significant amount of playing time he’s been rated as a defensive liability. That’s at all likely to change after microfracture surgery.

        A series MVP award is irrelevant. He won that by having 3 good offensive games in a 4 game series and not playing an inning of defense. Any player, even some of the worst in the league, can have 3 good games at the plate in a week. It just so happened that Delmon’s came in September.

         
    • Posts: 0 wbramh

      It amazes me how many 26-year-old players the Phillies have stuck the minors who are in need of a little more seasoning. Whitey is either laughing or or crying up there.

       
  • Posts: 0 Joefa

    Waste of time.

     
  • Posts: 0 CS

    It add’s depth cause it sucks but Ruf can start at AAA. Also, it gives us room to move JMJ and or Nix after looking at them in Spring. Not to mention we’ll have a few extra games we’ll need a DH in.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    annnnd then Ruben Amaro Jr goes ahead and says he hopes Young can play RF everyday! ??

     
    • Posts: 0 wbramh

      All Young needs to do is lose 50 pounds and strap on a jet pack.
      Then he has a chance to be a slightly below average fielder and baserunner.

       
  • Avatar of The Original Chuck P

    He had 112 RBI two years ago… in two years, his comparisons have gone from “Carl Yastrzemski” to “Jeff Francoeur.” Which one is he? Regardless, a 27 year old with an ALCS MVP to his name who is 2 years removed from a 112 RBI season is certainly worth $750,000. It really stinks to think about the implications for Ruf/Brown but I don’t think you can let that stuff impair your judgment on a deal like this.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Moot deal.

    No risk.

    Youve got the minor league incident and the arrest last year.
    But its not like its a big signing.

    Ruben is grasping and hoping. But he put himself in this situation.

    If he gets bad Lee and Halladay like 2012 he is losing his job.

    That would be a good thing.

    If its 2011 Lee and Halladay he will get by another year.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    Yeah…for $750,000 this isn’t a bad deal. And competition for playing time is a good thing. Memo to Brown, Ruf, and Mayberry: Start training NOW!

     
  • Posts: 0 Matt

    If he is here to replace brown then I’m good with it. Brown cannt play a whole season without getting hurt and his.230 batting isn’t something to be proud of. Brown will never get 112 RBI. If he gets in the way of ruf then raj is an ass, and needs to go.
    The biggest problem with the front office is not using or trusting their rookies, or giving them a fair chance. I remember last years spring training, kratz hit the cover off the ball, but he was sent down,so that dead weight schieder could be the looser he was. I was mad as hell to see that . Also even tho I’m over seeing brown, I belame the management for ruining him. They really jerked him around,messed with batting style and turned him from a .275 hitter to a .230. Good job front office, they really know how to destroy a guy.

     
  • Posts: 542 Bruce

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    It appears to be getting awfully crowded in the OF. ;-)

    As Amaro is quoted “..another layer of competition for playing time there as well”. This signing of another “low risk-high reward” retread in Delmont Young begs the question..how will Brown and Ruf fit in for playing time? Ruf have better get his suitcase ready before the season starts just in case he is handed a bus ticket to the minors.

    I also have read about Young’s attitude problem and bigotry. His problems does not bode well for the Phillies clubhouse and team chemistry. Apparently Amaro does not think it’s a problem for the the team or for the fans. Time will tell.

     
  • Posts: 0 Phillyphil

    First post guys…. Go Phil’s

    I like the signing for several reasons….

    1) money, the $750,000 = no risk. The 3.5 million ceiling mean got a guy desperate to win his bread.

    2) if Brown and Ruff preform he sits

    3) Go strong against lefties and start Young and Ruff

    4) Ruff can get 1 day a week at first and still get a few day a week in the OF

    Lots of options

    I want to see Brown and Ruff win the jobs, but if they don’t you have arch better bat waiting than Mayberry and Nix

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    I can’t really see why so many people are upset with this signing. Spring training is competition time, and the best guys will win the positions. What could be so bad about that?If Ruf or Brown can’t beat out Young, they don’t deserve the job to begin with. At least not this year, anyway.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      Thank you! That’s what I said earlier. I swear…some people just like to pick apart every single thing Ruben Amaro does.

       
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      I disagree here. I know it’s done all the time, but in general using spring training to make roster decisions just doesn’t make sense to me.

      I would have thought that between past performance and scouting reports, that should provide a better gauge than a 30-game sample in the spring, against a mixture of MLB and minor league pitching, many of whom are more interested in working on their mechanics than whether they actually get people out.

      Chances are one of the candidates gets hot in March, but that invariably runs its course, sometimes by April Fools’ day.

       
      • Posts: 0 George

        Do you honestly believe that spring training decisions are made solely on how the player does in the spring? There’s more to it, I’m sure, than just watching the player, although much can still be determined by doing that, too. You talk of scouting reports and past performance, and of course those are important factors. I’m pretty sure managers and scouts are intelligent and experienced enough to figure those things into their ST evaluations. Is tyhe player living up to them? Is he having the same old problems he’s had in the past, or is he making improvements and listening to coaches? Maybe pitchers are working on their mechanics, but maybe batters are, too, and the guy who hits .350 against them might have solved his mechanical issues more so than the guy who hits .175 against the same guys.

        In my opinion, you’re being a little simplistic about what actually goes into roster decisions.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        OK, George, we agree then. I was just reacting to this:

        “Spring training is competition time, and the best guys will win the positions.”

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        Schmenkman:

        ST is still competition time. If two players have pretty much equal pasts and both bat from the same side, if one does better against AAAA pitching, that’s going to have to be figured in.

        I’d never say that all the results are based on ST numbers, but also on ST behavior. That’s some of the competitiobn, too, particularly when you’ve signed a guy who’s had issues in the past.

        I probably didn’t word my original comment as well as I could have, but competition is definitely there in the spring. That’s all I meant; not that ST performance was the entire picture.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        I could also add that just because a guy has a track record doesn’t always mean he’ll be what he once was even in the preceeding season. It’s sometimes pretty easy to see that a fielder has lost a step or two, a bat has slowed down, or a pitcher no longer has the same stuff; or conversely, that a prospect has had something click suddenly. Scouting isn’t a year-long thing, because some players are on the banquet circuit, out hunting and fishing, or just sitting in front of the TV getting fat. A team almost has to do some evaluation in spring training. Even if it seems like a mighty small sample, a lot can still be learned.

         
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      If you’re using spring training as a primary guide for your roster decisions, you’re Doing It Wrong

       
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Also, since Young had ankle surgery in November, is he even going to play in ST?

       
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    When Ruben said the team needed to get younger, I didn’t think he’d do it by adding a bunch of guys named Young. :-)

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      He should have signed someone named “Younger,” not “Young,” if he indeed wanted the Phils to get younger. I think all those bad guys are dead now, but they were tough. Cole Younger survived loads of bullet wounds and lived to a ripe old age. Maybe he has a ballplaying decendant.

       
  • Posts: 0 brooks

    I’m astonished, looking at Delmon Young’s stats from last year – this guy walked 20 times in 151 games… good grief.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    Lefty — that is funny.

    Young will need to show that he has rehabbed from his surgery… For $750K and the fact that nobody showed a lot of interest in Delmon Young over the offseason, should motivate this dude to perform and prove to the baseball world that they made a big mistake in not taking him. This guy has potential and he will not be 28 until September. This is a classic low-risk
    high-reward signing full of performance incentives. Nice work , Ruben. If Young stinks or he has head problems, then get rid of him. It’s that simple. We certainly did not mortgage our future on this guy.

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      If he takes ABs away from Brown or Ruf then yes we absolutely mortgaged the future to get a below-average hitter, league-worst fielder and overall terrible human being

       
      • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

        He’s the reigning ALCS MVP-what’s your beef????!!!

         
      • Posts: 1135 EricL

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        lol I hope you’re not serious.

        Anyone can have 3 good games in a 4 game stretch. That doesn’t mean they’re a good player. Also, Delmon didn’t play the field in the ALCS because he sucks big horse nuts in the field, and the AL conveniently has a DH in which managers may hide players who play the field like a traffic cone.

         
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    I’ll say this, I hope Ben Revere really can cover the ground he’s supposed to be able to. He’s gonna have to be Gary Maddox like.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      Seriously, he might end up giving Richie Ashburn a run for the record for most putouts on a Phillies team.

      Or, alternatively, he’ll collide with a lost Delmon Young and be out for some extended period of time.

       
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        I thought about that too, a collision would be bad for the 5’9″ – 170lb (soaking wet) guy.

         
  • Posts: 0 Mazinman

    I don’t have any problems with this. If Brown and Ruf can go out there and win a starting roles then great. We are not paying Young that much so he can go to AAA or be released. If one or either do not get the job done in Spring then we have a cheap backup plan.

     
    • Posts: 1135 EricL

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      So you think it’s a good idea to make roster decisions based on 2 weeks worth of playing time against rusty pitchers, many of whom are not even major league guys,who are working on getting their stamina back and returning to game shape in the spring?

      That’s probably ill conceived.

       
  • Posts: 0 Rob h

    People are reading too much into this, young is merely a fallback option in case brown or ruf don’t play very well in the beginning of the season. If they do play well enough to win the job, it will be theirs. If it was Scott Hairston instead would it be that different except we overspent. If your trying to win now a veteran who might be even the littlest bit better than our young guys right now is the better option. Ruf will get a look and brown has had a couple looks, maybe not extended ones but he played none the less. I’m not thrilled about a potential outfield of ruf revere and young defensively but if that gives us the best chance to win this year I’m in. If we are out at the trade deadline give the young looks for the next year and a half.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    What the hell is the g—d—- fascination with Darin Ruf anyway? Just because he hit all those HRs last year in the minors and then came up here and hit a few more in 37 MLB at-bats???
    If necessary he can start the year in AAA. Or he can impress right from the start of ST and Delmon can totally flop and we cut him. So freaking what!! It’s $750,000 people…relax and just let this play out.

    Everyone has been moaning that Ruben hasn’t done enough…that there’s too much inexperience amongst the OFers…so he goes out and spends freaking peanuts for another bat option….and now everyone’s up in arms about that,too.

    Look, I get it. Ruf and Brown. Two young guys out to prove themselves. They’ll have that shot. I don’t think anyone in the organization is saying that they won’t.

     
  • Posts: 64 RatBastardNJ

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    I truly have mixed feelings about this signing. On the positive side… Young is extremely cheap and he is only 27 years old. He can certainly hit the ball and if anything, is a great option on the bench. I am worried about his fielding, but hopefully the coaches can help improve his skills.

    On the negative side, this is not a “good” clubhouse guy. There have been multiple issues with his behavior. I certainly will never root for him due to his anti Semitic comments but that is only one of the many issues that teammates and managers have reported. I believe that the personality a team forms for itself is extremely beneficial to how the team performs on the field. I just hope that his behavior does not have a negative impact on the Phillies.

     
    • Posts: 427 Publius

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      Young has an OPS+ of 89 over the last 1000 ABs. He certainly cannot hit, at least not at an average level

       
  • Posts: 0 Dave

    For 750K, it’s a good signing. Next story…

     
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    Ruben just decided to go Young, so he acquired Michael and Delbert.
    I wonder who’s next on Ruben’s acquisition list…Cy Young?

     
  • Posts: 0 hk

    Dave,

    If you’re old enough, did you feel the same way about Mike Schmidt’s first 500 AB’s as you do about Dom Brown’s?

     
    • Posts: 0 Dave

      Well, I was only 2 years old when Schmidt broke into the league, so I don’t remember his first 500 at bats. And yes, I do know that he batted .196 in 1973. But he also had a monster year the following year at the age of 24. But regarding Brown, what exactly do you see in him that makes you think he will get better? And how many more at bats do you give him until you give up? Schmidt had exactly 401 AB’s before his breakout season in 74. Brown has had 433 so far.

      And I know you’re not comparing Brown to the greatest 3rd basemen to ever play the game :-)

       
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Dave, like hk said below, we don’t know for sure that Dom will continue improving. But to answer your question, what is encouraging in Dom is this:

        - he’s been successful in the minors
        - he’s still relatively young, heading into his age 25 season
        - he shows a combination of plate discipline and decent power that usually bodes well for a successful hitting career: over the last two years 83 players have gotten 200+ plate appearances at age 24 and under; out of those 83, he had the 5th highest walk rate, and 5th best BB/K ratio
        - there is reason to believe there is more power to come, since a broken hamate bone has been shown to reduce power for 18 months

         
  • [...] Delmon has a new home in Philadelphia.  [...]

     
  • Posts: 0 hk

    Dave,

    I’m not expecting Dom to achieve anything close to what Schmidt achieved. I just wonder if the mid-1970′s Phillies had jerked Schmidt around like they’ve done with Dom, whether Schmidt would have gone on to become the greatest 3B ever. Dom may never become more than a sub-100 OPS+ hitter he’s shown to be so far, but it bothers me that they’ve taken playing time from him over the past two seasons and given that time to players whose production was worse than Dom’s disappointing results. Now, I wonder whether they’re planning to do it again by giving time to a horrific fielder and worse hitter named Delmon Young.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      hk, If I may sneak in here, why would they replace Young for Brown? One is a lefty and one a righty. Isn’t this more about using him instead of Ruf?

       
  • Posts: 0 hk

    Lefty,

    I was just responding to Dave, who (higher up on the page) was comparing Young to Dom.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      Oh, I see that now.

       
    • Posts: 0 Dave

      Hk,

      To be honest, I’ve never really watched Delmon Young play. So for those of you who’ve watched him and say he’s terrible, I guess I would have to defer to your analysis. But then why would Amaro pick him up if he’s terrible? Is he that desperate? I guess we will get to see who has the better year, since they will be playing the corner OF spots. If Brown plays better, you can definitely come back and tell me you told me so!!

       
  • Posts: 0 DammitBurrell

    I think this was a brilliant move, but I also think this is just a piece of a larger puzzle going on here. We just saved a ton of money on a starting right fielder and now have an over-abundance of “maybes.” With Chase being “nowhere near field ready” and question marks at left, we now need someone who can play at third if Young slides over to second, but also be able to play the outfield. Enter….Michael Cuddyer. We now have the money and the ability to move Brown, Ruf or Mayberry to compensate.

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      That’s an interesting take DB. It would also fit the profile of a couple of other players. Trevor Plouffe, and Alan Craig off the top of my head.

      I must admit I have serious doubts that this is in the works, but it is interesting. Thanks for sharing the idea.

       
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Utley is “nowhere near field ready”? I missed that — where was it?

      Cuddyer has played 14 games at 3rd since 2005. Could be Wiggy-esque, or worse.

       
  • Posts: 542 Bruce

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    It look like Charlie Manuel is going to have several options for the platoon system this season. Whether or not this will personally benefit all the available corner outfielders, Nix, Mayberry, Brown, Ruf and now Young remains questionable. It probably means one outfielder will not be on the roster either prior to the season opener or later in the season.

    I have read that Young is still recovering from his November (2012) surgery on his ankle. He also stated he would not be fully ready to play as he expects physical limitations up to 16 weeks! So that implies Young will likely be on the DL when the season starts. In the meantime, with Young on the DL, it also gives Ruf and Brown a chance (with limited time they have) to show the manager they belong with the team.

    If and when Young goes on the DL and then returns to the team, he will have to relearn the RF position which he has not played there in SIX years. Of course, Manuel will also have to make a decision on which outfielder he choose not to keep. What a mess!

     
  • Posts: 0 Nasty Nessa Del Rio

    He better behave or I’ll tie him up and whip his rear.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    Another low risk, medium reward move. Reminds me of a few Amaro made last year. And yes you can get some additional info at Spring Training. I went to a few ST games last year and could see that although Juan Pierre had lost a step he still was a master at hitting the ball where defenders were not. I could see that Dontrelle Willis did not h ave it anymore. I could see that Kratz could hit and throw, I could see that Howard and Utley were nowhere. You can learn things in ST – especially with players you have not seen before or for a while. A bad performance in ST will not remove a starter but when you have to decide among many you can eliminate some.
    By the way, Mayberry stays because he is the only buy other than Revere who can play CF. Ruf goes down. Brown and Young and Nix and Mayberry will probably be on the 25. I expect a lot of lineup changes and a Manuel “non-platoon”. For some reason he hates the word but that is what will happen.

    Brown had all of August and September to prove whether is an everyday player. I was not impressed – were you?

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      I was impressed by his plate discipline, and that’s tough to teach. Combined with good power, there is enough there to keep the hope alive that he’ll be more than a 4th OF.

      Bottom line is that both Mayberry and Brown have been better than Young the last two years, so it’s somewhat comical that there is debate about whether Mayberry stays because they now have Young.

       
  • Posts: 0 William Rennick

     
  • Posts: 993 betasigmadeltashag

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    would also like to know where you got Utley is not going to be ready for ST Last word I have heard any where is that he looks good and is going to be ready to go this year. Plus you have Frandsen to fill in at third to rest Utley.

     
  • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

    This signing is like buying a disposable razor-albeit and antisemitic one. I really can’t get worked up about it, at least not now. RAJ is now governed by the following maxim_ If you throw enough S**t against the wall something is bound to stick! By the way EricL I was being ever so facetious about Mr. Young’s status as the reigning ALCS MVP.

     
  • Posts: 0 hk

    “2 bad years out of 7″

    The guy has a career OPS+ of 98 meaning that he’s 2% below the average of all hitters. When you realize that this number is being compared to all of the hitters in the league including those who play at traditionally weak hitting positions like catcher and SS, it ishould be pretty obvious that an OPS+ of 98 is bad production from a corner OF. the thought process behind signing this guy is pretty misguided when you throw in that he is a poor fielder and poor base runner.

     
  • Posts: 0 hk

    Also comparing Young’s 2011 WAR to Dom’s in a year in which Young had 3 times more PA’s shows a complete misunderstanding of how WAR is calculated and should be used. Claiming that this is a good move because Young compares favorably to the other crap that RAJ has forced upon the fans is the faintest of possible praise.

     
 
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