Gameday: Royals (1-2) vs. Phillies (1-2)

Posted by Pat Gallen, Fri, April 05, 2013 04:05 PM | Comments: 123
2013 Gameday, News, Posts

Kansas City Royals vs. Philadelphia Phillies

Wade Davis vs Kyle Kendrick

Time: 4:05 PM, Citizens Bank Park
Weather: Sunny/Wind, 55
Media: Twitter and Facebook

Mike Schmidt and George Brett are throwing out the first pitches, shade of 1980. The good old days are back. Baseball is back in Philadelphia.

Enjoy Opening day in Philadelphia!

LINEUP: Revere CF, Rollins SS, Utley 2B, Howard 1B, M. Young 3B, Brown LF, Nix RF, Kratz C, Lee P

Your gameday beer:Yuengling Lager

Budweiser is your basic, run of the mill beer. But chances are, if you’re tailgating on opening day, you’ll have a BUd product nearby. Happy tailgating!


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  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Far and away, Dom’s worse play of the year, spring included. Can’t be patient off a play like that. Can’t harp on it rather, but that was weak.

    AFW, you asked the wrong person about Nix. I’m not a fan of his game. It’s not like he’s pathetic, but I don’t think he’s very good.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Ken you should chuckle at this.

    I am facing Chris Davis in fantasy this week.

    Chris Davis another homer and 5 RBI today
    He has a homer in the first 4 games and 16 RBI already

    He has made my fantasy week moot single handedly

    And now I get to watch the Phillies.

    Life is good

    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      All I know about Davis is that even before today (which I hadn’t checked on), he was hitting .636, with an OPS of 2.400.

      Not bad for a slow start.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    The fightin Phils

    Id like tosee amaro go before charlie if possible.

    this may get very very nasty and very fast

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    That was the Royals first home run of the season.

    That goes for the whole team.

    Thanks Rube

  • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

    What the hell, Valdes? I’m speechless.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Ill be at the track tomorrow night Ken.

    So ill miss our fightin phils

    I ownt DVR just catch the score on the drive home.

    Its all yours.


    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      win some bux. fun as always.

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Too much trouble to figure it out, but the Royals lefties must be like 7 for 11 against Phils lefties today.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Poor Charlie it isnt 2011 anymore.

    You cant pitch Hamels and Lee and Halladay till thier arms fall off.

    You get to use this pen.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf


    Ill skip seinfeld for this.

    This is funnier

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    So the Royals have outscored the Phils 11-0, but what blows me away even more is they have outhit them since the tide turned darned close to 13 to nothing. It is a total WHUPPING.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Howard swining as hard as he can bases empty down 7

    I mean he may make contact

    and everyone could leave the park happy

    or he may K

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Collins looks good.

    Maybe trade for him?

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    I’ll take a guess at this. KC’s batting average as a team was .177 coming into today. Tomorrow morning, I’ll say .240/. And I guess they’ll pass Chris Davis in the RBI race. Sometimes, the ball looks like a grapefruit.

    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      The Royals team average jumped to .257, 80 points in 1 game. Nice jump, early season or not. It moved them from 15th in the AL to 6th. Nice jump.

      Whereas the Royal had 5 guys get 2 hits in a game in their first 3 games, yesterday, they had 5 guys get at least 2 hits.

      People look at the Phils schedule over a duration of time, and attatch it to a degree of difficulty. Most common is the first 40 games or so is “easy.” Over the course of that time, opponents playing the Phils are subject to the same projections. When they see the Phils on the schedule, I wonder if they consider them easy, average or difficult. And I specifically wonder if KC observors thought of this series as easy, average, or difficult.

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland


    You can’t tell me KC announcers still sound Midwest.

    They gotta be fired up.

  • Posts: 0 arc

    someone tell me why charlie would let Lee pitch through 8 when he has Adams in the pen?
    Why he overworks pitchers because they are aces is beyond me. Especially when theyre over 33

    • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

      He pitched Docs arm out years ago.
      He is working on Lee and Cole now.

      with this pen you say why blame him.

      But it takes a toll
      Especially if you sign guys long term

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    The royals have 13 runs today. 8 more than the entire opening series.

    The Ryals have 19 hits two more hits than the entire opening series.

    of course they are still batting

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    They are feeding me the stats lol

    gordons 2 3 run triples

    Is the first time thats EVER happened in Royals history

    Thats alot of players.

    They are having fun

  • Posts: 271 Jeff of Nova

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    So lets see here

    JRoll made a bad decision on a DP vs play at first

    Charlie left KK in way too long

    Horst made one really bad pitch

    Our Corner Outfielders have blown today

    Durbin has proven that he does not belong here at all 81.00 era

    Valdes is showing what I thought of him before a AAA pitcher, should have kept Stutes here.

    What a frustrating game

    • Posts: 0 arc

      how? how could you not expect this outcome, Wishful thinking? this team is worst than the 2011 team that avg 3 runs per game, and now you have a worse rotation and bull pen.

      • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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        The 2011 team led the league in scoring once Utley returned in May.

      • Posts: 0 arc

        So, your claim is: had Utley played the whole season we would have had the best offense in the league? But this is why your argument doesnt work. You negate in your statistical claim the fact of other players on the phillies team playing worse/ or better. You also negate a possible drop off in production of many other teams. You negate the fact of hot streaks, but one thing you cant argue is the phillies finished 13th in runs scored with a .253 avg. and I believe scoring a little over 3 runs per game. Now that aint the worse, but also my claim was in 2011 we could win with 3 runs per game, not so with this rotation. Our team is in the worse possible position they could be in. Our rotation is worse, and our offense is worse.

      • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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        My only claim is that from the day Utley returned on May 23rd through the end of the year they had the highest scoring offense in baseball. And that’s the offense they took into the playoffs.

        Claiming that the current team is worse than a 102 team is not a very strong or surprising statement.

      • Posts: 0 arc

        As for your claim about some correlation between offensive output and wins, the phils won games in spite of their offense not because of it. Wether they had the best offense when he came back I dont know, what I do know is they were 13th in runs scored. In 2010 they were 7th with Utley there all season. But remeber, in 2011 they had the lowest ERa that season also.

      • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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        I didn’t make any claim about a correlation of runs to wins today, but obviously it’s one of the most well-established tenets in baseball that there IS a direct correlation between a team’s run differential (the difference, or more precisely, the ratio, of runs scored to runs allowed), and the team’s winning percentage.

        It makes no difference whether you expand that differential by scoring more runs, or by allowing fewer runs.

      • Posts: 0 arc

        It took you a whole paragraph to say a team wins or loses based on the score? But more importantly, in respect to your claim it does matter. The phils did not win 102 games because of offense, they won because of defense. Of course at face value a win is a win, but when your team is constructed to only manufacture 3 runs per game, and your rotation and bull pen falls apart you are in serious trouble. This is one of my main critiques of Amaro. Instead of taking a more balanced approach handling the Werth situation, he opted to go all in on pitching, starting pitching that is. people seem to forget the bullpen looked so good because they were sparingly used. You cant take away a high strike out power hitters protection and expect pitchers to throw him fastballs. Out with protection, out with Ryan Howard. In 2011 Amaro gets rid of his 2 highest avg hitters, Victorino, Pence, and Polanco go down in injuries.
        Suprisingly Mayberry had the next highest avg with 273, and hitting 4 more home runs and 19 more rbis than Utley in 2011.

        This fan base never ceases to amaze me. They applaud when Werth, Victorino, and Pence go, and yet complain when our offense suffers.

        Ill take a 5 era ball club with 5 runs per night over a 3 run club with a 4 era anyday.

      • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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        No. Not the run differential in a particular game. Over a whole season, a team’s wins and losses can be predicted fairly reliably from their total runs scored and runs allowed.

        You keep “3 runs per game” for some reason, even when referring to 2011. Utley returned on May 23rd, 2011, replacing some of the worst offensive second basemen in the game, with one of the best. From that point on, for the last 108 games, the Phillies scored 4.63 runs per game, making them the highest scoring team in the NL over the last two thirds of the season.

        In addition, to Utley, Victorino had a career year, Mayberry went on a tear in the second half, and Pence played over his head after arriving. Even Brown was hitting well before being sent down. So Werth was not missed in 2011, and I think the front office can be excused for thinking he would not be missed in 2012 either. But all of those 3 struggled last year, and the FO used VIc and Pence to replenish the farm. They ended up scoring 4.22 runs per game in 2012.

        In any case, regardless of one’s personal preference, there is nothing wrong with the strategy of going “all in on pitching”, especially when your objective is to advance in the playoffs.

        The objective is now more modest — just making the playoffs — and after playing at a 95-win pace in the second half of last year (mostly due to improved pitching, even though Halladay struggled), there many, myself included, who think they have a reasonable chance to at least be in the hunt for the 2nd wild card.

        I might question some of their choices (Young, Young, Durbin), but they didn’t commit to any new long term contracts, and so even if they fail to make a run this year, they’re in a good position with lots of financial flexibility for 2014 while they await the arrival of Asche, Joseph, Morgan, Martin, Biddle, etc. from the farm.

    • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

      Agree on all accounts, except that Horst made more than one bad one today. Lol. This reminded me of Rocky IV, when Apollo Creed gets crushed unmercifully by Drago, and Rocky just looks on stunned, not willing to change his promise of not throwing in the towel to Apollo. Hoping Lannan is decent tomorrow.

      • Posts: 5449 Lefty

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        Well, here’s to hoping Lannan is not “rocky” Saturday!

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Those rally towels are cracking me up.

    That’s cute.

    Can’t believe there’s actually a smile left after this.

  • Posts: 0 arc

    This offense just does not work, It is broken and has been since Werth left. How do we sell this team off and start to rebuild? How does anybody not see that this org is dieing a slow death, and its all thanks to Amaro. Now I understand the monicker ruin tomorrow jr. well yesterday, it seemed alright, but today is tomorrow, and now its time to pay the piper.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Horst made one really bad pitch?

    Whys the old man leave his spot lefthander in as long as he does?

    Horst made many bad pitches

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Horst got one out allowed 3 hits and a walk

    he threw 24 pitches to get his one out

    13 strikes 11 balls

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    MLB TV flashes a game ending graphic that says “Thank You for Watching:”

    Are they serious?

    You’re welcome?

    Easy one to grade. F minus.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    @ ARC been saying it for years

    Now its 2013

    you trot out

    2. rollins 3. Utley 4. Howard 5. Young

    What am i an a time warp its 2007?

    Its embarrassing.
    Its a joke people tease me about our line up.

    I begged jsut dont resign Rollins.
    Trade any one of them when they had value.

    Im off.
    I get in trouble when I bitch too much.

    But yes this is all on Amaro
    Who has GMed this team on a level lower than a fan on a blog.

    I was yelling this years ago though.
    So no its nothing new to me.

    • Posts: 0 arc

      people on this site criticize me for moaning about the same things over and over again, they say how many times are you going to wine about the line up and Amaro, but frankly WHAT THE HELL ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT???????

      By the way, ive noticed a trend. many of my admirers who debase me every chance they get for my seemingly clueless rants disappearing trends with the phillies offensive output.
      Where is everybody???

    • Posts: 0 arc

      I argued many a time on this site that until they get Howard adequate protection this line up aint doing squat. They been trying to get Howard protection ever since Werth left. which i think irrespective of the money was one of Amaros worst moves. When you let Werth go, i think a piece of Howard left also. Now some people on this site dont believe in the notion of protection, and theyll trot out all of these quantitative stats to support their claim, but then i ask; why have the Phils been looking for a 5 hole hitter ever since Werth left?? Pence? Chooch, Brown, Victorino, and francisco? have i missed anyone?

      I still believe Soriano, or Upton could have stablized the offense.

    • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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      What is a joke is that anyone would complain about #2 and #3, who in 2012 were, game for game, the best double play combination in baseball. Overall, that is, combining hitting and fielding. The only thing that could have made them even better was if Utley were healthy all year. Guess what? Now he’s healthy.

      Of all the things to complain about, Rollins and Utley should be at the very end of your list. Not at the top.

      • Posts: 0 arc

        its not a matter of performance with either of these two phenomenal players, my claim is that if they have any trade value now why keep them? Again Amaro dropped the ball on LF, RF, and 3rd base. i say try moving Utley to 4 and Howard to 5. rollins 1, revere 2, young 3

      • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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        I was responding to AFW. They may have trade value, but I submit that they have more value to the Phillies in terms of their performance on the field than what they would bring back in a trade.

      • Posts: 0 arc

        I know you were responding to AFW, but again, I disagree that they are worth more to them now in a fruitless season, than preparing for the future. Im not saying give them up for peanuts, but if we can bring in some prospects, or unload salary lets do it. I cant see any configuration where you can build around these guys in the future. I might even dare sya trade Howard and bring up Ruff. Did i just say that??

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    The 2011 team had a historicly great staff.

    The greatest staff most any of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    In game 5 of a 5 game series the line up was not good enough.

    Anyone who was here in 2011 will tell you that I stated all year the line up was vulnerable.
    Starting in opening day.
    Rollins Utley and Howard were not good enough in 2011.
    A team that with a good line up wins a WS title.

    How many tims did Larussa pitch to get to Howard and bring in Arthur Lee of all people?
    The poping up on a 3-0 pitch down 1-0 to lead off the 7th.

    This line up was a fine reg season line up. But it was always vulnerable.
    Been vulnerable since 2010 really.

    Its now 2013 and its the SAME line up.
    Its more vulnerable.

    And if we faced 50 left handers in a row Howard would start 50 games in a row.

    It never changes this team never adjusts.

    OK I am not mad. I am going to enjoy this season.

    But I get a little tired of the worship of players who best days were 5 years ago. Not 1 or 2.

    If Galvis played every game at 2B or SS what would the difference be?
    Like Brown playing left instead of Ibane his last year.

    Id be excited if somone else was at 2B or SS.
    Anyone else.

    Same goes for firstbase.

    • Posts: 0 arc

      Since we didnt make a didgers, or Angels move when we had the chance, i think we need to make a Red Sox move. If a team is bold enough to move AG, we surely can move Howard.

      • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

        ARC you know no one will take Howard and his contract on.

        Maybe an AL team will eat some ( 20-40% ?) of his contract. But youll get nothing in return.

        Sometimes I think you are putting us on ARC or trying to stir up trouble.

        Like the old Jeff would.

        Either way I try to respect everyone.

    • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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      AFW, I know this is entertainment in the end, but just because some fans are bored with having the same (great) players and want shiny new toys instead doesn’t make it the best move for the team.

      Just because they are past their prime does NOT mean they are not still the best option, especially when they are among the best at their position, like Rollins and Utley still are.

      Howard is a bit of a different animal, although I think this year will look much more like 2010 and 2011 than like 2012, and 2010 and ’11 were about as good as his 2008 (except that there were fewer runners on base in front of him).

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    There is no salary cap.

    This team shouldnt be as bad as it is.

    So what in 2012 minus Rollins we are 78-84 instead of 81-81????

    I just dont grasp the logic.

    Hoarding of these players has cost this team.

    I dont get all sentimental about any of them after 2008. Since 2008 they have been a major disappointment.

    • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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      Sure, there’s no salary cap. But the team is a for-profit business, run by business men, and they those business man don’t like throwing away money on a luxury tax. It’s a bit unreasonable, naive, and even childish to complain that one of the highest payrolls in baseball isn’t much higher.

      If Rollins is the difference between 89 wins and 86, I want him on the team.

      You’re right, who cares about 2008 at this point. But they are trying for one last run, while at the same time not further depleting the farm system, and not limiting flexibility by locking up new long term contracts, and I agree with that approach for this season.

    • Posts: 0 arc

      and at this point id rather see Frandsen at 3rd.

      • Posts: 892 schmenkman

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        Nice – something we agree on. I would have preferred they stuck with Frandsen and spent the $6-7 million on an outfielder or a better starting pitcher, instead of MY. Now that MY is here, though, I think you have to play him until he proves that 2012 wasn’t a fluke. And I think he’ll do a little better than last year.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    And yes Schenk to your point.

    Amaro has hoarded them so long that they are probably more value here than could get back in a trade.

    But whats the use of playing over the hill players on a bad team?

    You can stink with kids too.

    And maybe have a future.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    And I said I wouldnt rant and have fun this year.
    I guess I still care.

    I want to win Schenk. Thats all and I believe other players would make that happen.

    Your opinion is just as valid. Although I think it is wrong.

    I just hope they win tomorrow and the day after and the day after.

    I would like nothing better than Utley Howard and Rollins to lead the way.

    I just dont think they can.

    Ill be out of tomorrow nights game thread so if they win its a sign from god for me to stay away.

    Go Phils!

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