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Hamels Tough Luck Loser, Phillies Bats in Locke-down

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, April 23, 2013 09:51 PM | Comments: 49
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In what was one of the more miserable games of the season, the Phillies fell to the Pirates, 2-0.

Hamels Moves to 0-3:

-Just call it the Curse of Cliff. When your starting pitcher throws well enough that he should have a victory. Cole was pretty much on his game from the start, except for mistakes to Brandon Inge and Gaby Sanchez that hurt him. Hamels has gotten better every start since the first two duds of the year. In eight innings he gave up seven hits, two runs, one walk, and struck out six. Hamels tossed a season-high 118 pitches, with 82 strikes, a fantastic ratio. Unfortunately, it ended in a loss.

-The problem was someone named Jeff Locke outdoing him. Locke didn’t really outdo Hamels, per se, but did well on his own against a lifeless offense. The lefty Locke kept the Phils off balance, allowing no runs on two hits and two walks through six innings.

-Former Phillie Jason Grilli closed it out for his eighth save of the season in eight tries. He has not allowed a run yet this season. He’d look nice in the Phils pen, no?

Four Hits Won’t do it:

-John Mayberry Jr. tripled to lead off the fourth inning, followed by a Dom Brown HBP. The next batter, Ben Revere, tapped a grounder to third, and Mayberry broke for home. It was cleanly fielded by Brandon Inge, who easily threw out Mayberry.

One batter later, Erik Kratz grounded into a 5-4-3 double play to end the inning that started with two on and no outs. That’s just brutal.

Clarify: I earlier wrote I thought it was ridiculous that they sent Mayberry that quickly. Charlie said on that play, its as old as the game that you send the guy. But I question that. If Inge is off the base a bit, like he was, and you have Mayberry take a lead that he’s comfortable with, and able to get back to the bag if needed, then you shouldn’t have to send him. Wouldn’t Inge’s first reaction be to check what Mayberry was up to? Inge would likely look Mayberry back to the base, therefore allowing Revere time to beat out the possible double play. I’d have to watch the play again, but I don’t feel as though that should be Mayberry going 100%. What are the thoughts on that play?

-With the temps settling into the 40′s as the sun went down, it’s easy to understand why fans aren’t coming out. It’s uninspired baseball in football weather. Is it worth it to shell out $100 or more if you’re going with the family to watch this sort of product? The inconsistencies must be maddening. The tally was 31,002 in the seats tonight, but it looked to be far less than 30K.

-Laynce Nix continues to thrive off the bench. With his single in the eighth, Nix is now 6-for-11 as a pinch hitter this year. He’s settled into that role nicely, and as we know, the bench has been an issue for quite a while.

-Chase Utley pinch-hit in the eighth but it was a brief appearance: he struck out.

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  • Posts: 0 Scrooge

    blah…..with this product, who cares?

     
  • Posts: 0 Rudy Canoza

    ESPN says 31,002 in their boxscore. Management has to be concerned.

     
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    I think it was the curse of Cole long before it became Cliff’s title, he just decided to give it back.

    Losing sucks, but sometimes you have to credit the other team. This Pirate team just beat the Braves three straight, and are second in the NL in team ERA, they’re pretty good.

     
    • Posts: 542 Bruce

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      I’m glad someone else is willing to give credit to a Pirate team that is playing good fundamental baseball with excellent pitching to start the season. As mentioned by “Lefty”, they are second in team ERA in the NL (Atlanta is first). Plus they have a stingy bullpen that allowed the team to be 10-0 when having a lead after 8 innings. Grilli, as closer is 8 for 8 in “saves” and has not allowed a run so far this season. So yes, The Phillies are not the only club having difficulty with offense against the Pirates (11-9).

      Of course, the Phillies’ woeful offense is not making it any easier for their own pitchers..Hamels, who has been pitching much better in his last 3 starts (a combined 2.57 ERA), is once again victimized by a lack of run support. As the game progressed, I began to think that Hamels has taken the 2012 “curse” from Cliff Lee for this season. I hope not. With the return of Carlos Ruiz next week (thank goodness), the offense could receive a badly need boost.

       
    • Posts: 0 oodyman

      I’m glad someone pointed this out. Somehow people seem to forget the Phillies mandated that no runs be scored in support of Cole for the first 3-4 years of his career.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jack

    This team is very annoying and getting harder and harder to watch. Aarrrgggh!

     
  • Posts: 0 Rob

    This team is horrible, they cannot hit at all. And clearly none of them care. Defense is terrible. This team just stinks. They will soon be well under 30k in attendence. Who wants to go watch a team consistently held to 4 hits or so by mediocre teams and pitchers?

     
  • Posts: 0 glutenous

    Attendance will only continue to drop and the TV deal is probably in jeopardy too.

    I wonder if Howard will hit another HR this season…

     
    • Posts: 13 CarlG

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      I like to bridle my rage by imagining the absurdity of Cholly physically handing Ryan Howard the $40,000 he makes per at-bat each time he whiffs and then shrugs his way back to the dugout four times a game.

      “Here you go, Ryan, don’t spend it all in one place. Again.”

       
      • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

        Phillies management and Ruben Amaro and Charlie Manuel were all in for this contract.

        Rage all you want.

        Rage against the Phillies and team management.

        The player took what he was given.

        He is not at fault at all.

        The morons in management gave him 25,000,000.00 per year.

        If they had offered him $50,000,000.00 per year he is supposed to say no?

        Blame the morons. Blame Ruben and ownership.

        The player is at no fault.

         
  • Posts: 0 guest

    Kratz grounded into another double play with runners in scoring position. What a surprise. Team is not going to go anywhere when they can’t score runs with 1st and 3rd and no outs. Can’t wait for chooch so at least 1 predictable batter will be out of the lineup.

     
  • Posts: 0 glutenous

    Can chooch and delmon young save the offense? Haha..but seriously.

    We may be entering another era of bad baseball in philly. A lifeless lineup and no real up and coming talent in the minors. Yeah, we are in trouble.

    I know its april and the phils are only 3 games under .500, but really not much going on to inspire hope right now. At least the pitching seems to be there, but right now there are only really 4 teans that you can say the phillies are absolutely better than, the marlins, cubs, astros, and padres. It has been a disheartening start after entering the season with some cautious optimism.

     
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    I am glad I did not buy a season ticket package this year. Soon, the stadium will be half full.
    Fans can spend their hard-earned entertainment dollars elsewhere. Phillies games are NOT premium entertainment in 2013.

     
    • Posts: 0 glutenous

      At least ticket prices will continue to drop :)

       
      • Posts: 2069 Brooks

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        I would be surprised if they dropped – perhaps they will not increase for the 5th time in the last 6 seasons but drop?
        Nah.

         
  • Posts: 0 Betasigmadeltashag

    There lies the problem with phillies fans. I live in VT AND HAVE A SUNDAY season tix package and will continue even when they are not winning because I support the team good and bad years. This year is far from over and this offensive slump to will pass. The fact that the band wagon fans fail to show up because it is the place to be is a joke. I decide to believe that there is reason they play 162. And I m not saying it is not frustrating watching this offense right now but baseball fans support their team

     
    • Posts: 0 Glutenous

      I agree with you and I have been a Phillies fan my entire life, through the good and bad (mostly bad). I did not take the years 2007-2011 for granted because I knew there was a good chance it wouldn’t last. The other part of me thought that the Phillies would become the proverbial “Yankees of the NL”, and become perennial contenders. If the team continues to struggle and attendance continues to drop, the tickets will become more affordable for us real fans. I live about a 2 hour’s drive from Philadelphia, so regularly walking up the the stadium at game time and snatching up some cheap seat tickets really isn’t an option for me. I have to plan a day and take ticket prices into consideration along with money for gas, food, and tolls, and since I don’t get to but a few games a season, I like to try and get the best seats I can for my money to enjoy the best experience possible.

      Either way, I have always been and always will be a Phillies fan. I admit I get pretty pessimistic about the team, saying its all over in April and what not. I forget the old baseball rule of not to get too high or too low at any given point in a long, 162 game season. There is always a chance the offense will come alive, the weather will warm up, and CBP will be packed again this Summer. It just doesn’t look very good for the fightins right now.

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew From Waldorf

    Its fine to give credit.

    Or maybe this has been your line up for a very long time?

    You guys nit pick on the other players.

    When the issue is and has been the core of the line up.

    Not this year or 2012 or 2011 but 2010.

    So 2011 losing with the best pitching staff of our lifetime. Didnt suprise me.

    Your line up is dysfunctional.

     
  • Posts: 0 Betasigmadeltashag

    I get that sell outs are tough when the team is struggling and it is tough to spend money on games. But I was responding to Bart who did not renew his season ticket package not because his financial situation changed but the team is having a rough start that by definition a band wagon fan

     
  • Posts: 0 Branderson925

    Hey it’s been a while but I used to comment a bit. Well this summer I back state side and will be reading you guys every day. I must say this is the only blog I read everyday. Not hatin broad street hockey or bleeding green nation but I just have to get my Phil on.

    Anyway is it a 14 game streak for Young or did I just jinx it? When do they start paying attention, 20?

     
    • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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      Branderson925, Nice to read that you’re back. The streak is still going at 14.

       
  • Posts: 0 jake

    UGH.
    I thank Ruben for his dedication to spending on Pitching but the Phillies are just miserable offensively. It’s hard to watch the team dribble ground balls into double plays and strike out with men on base.
    I’m gonna support them regardless, but it’s becoming less fun to grab a beer and watch the game.

     
  • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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    @Jake- I admire your attitude and appreciation towards RA jr. for his spending on pitching, I share that with you. Not every city has an ownership group that is willing to spend, and for that I am grateful. But IMO spending so much on pitching is part of the problem. There are no other teams that have spent this % of their payroll on four pitchers (Hamels, Halladay, Lee, Papelbon)

    Since they seem to want to adhere to the luxury tax limitations put on them by MLB, and who can blame them for that, they might have been better off spreading the wealth around a bit more evenly. Then maybe they could afford better than the outfield they presently have. RA jr. went all in with pitching in a ballpark that plays pretty well for hitters.

    - And before someone shows me the ESPN park factor listing showing that the park is neutral, I’ve seen it. The players make the park neutral. In 2011 they had historically good pitching and the park played neutral. What’s that say about the park? Think about it. It actually says the Park is a hitters park. It wasn’t neutral in 2006, or 2007, it was close to the top. And it’s number 2 in runs scored right now, not because the Phils are scoring runs, because the Phils have a team ERA of 4.34. All that money to pitching in a hitters park.-

    So, back to my original point, going all in with pitching is a good idea if you play in the pacific marine layer of San Francisco where the ball just doesn’t travel as well. I wish he’d have spread the wealth around more evenly, because the hitting is anemic so far this season. Yes, as I said above we have faced some good pitching, but not every game.

    The outfield hitting is atrocious right now. Ben Revere simply can not drive a ball out of the infield, and he should NEVER ever take a pitch like the last out last night, because they aren’t afraid to pitch to him. Dom Brown may come out of this funk, but the funk he’s in is hurting the team bad. Mayberry has played pretty well, but is he really a starting outfielder on a good team?

    I really wish they’d have spread the wealth with more emphasis on hitting. Think about the starting pitching staff in 2008- Hamels yes, but Myers, Kendrick, Moyer, Eaton, and eventually Blanton to go with that- and they won it all, with great hitting.

     
    • Posts: 0 Rudy Canoza

      This outfield is definitely the worst one I’ve seen in a long time. Just looking at what I’d consider to be NL contending teams (Braves, Nationals, Reds, Cardinals, Giants, Dodgers) I don’t see a single team where any of the Phillies outfielders would be anything more than bench players.

      Fun fact: Our old friend Yuniesky Betancourt is the Brewers starting firstbaseman. He has as many HR and RBIs as Brown/Revere/Mayberry combined have.

       
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        Ha! Betancourt is on track to hit 30-35 home runs! Is is possible that he is this years Melky Cabrera? I think it’s is, he’s 32 and reminds me of Brady Anderson in 1996. If you’re not old enough to remember him, check his career year by year on baseball reference, you’ll see what I mean.

        That was a hard call for the team to keep him, but there are so many out there that you can lament why they didn’t keep, it’s just not that easy IMO. They make the best decisions they can based on time and roster space, and then move on. I read another board where they talk about Brandon Moss, and Jason Grilli- IMO you make your mistakes which don’t seem like mistakes when you make them, and move on, you know?

         
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      “The players make the park neutral. In 2011 they had historically good pitching and the park played neutral.”

      Lefty, the park was also neutral in 2008, 2009, and 2010.

       
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        Now how did I know you’d be the one to dispute this :-) I maintain that It’s a hitters park, not a band box, but a hitters park. The air is what I’m talking about friend. The marine layer that keeps balls from flying out of the west coast cities, the thin air that allows so many HR’s in Colorado, it’s the east coast air in New York, Boston, and Philly after about May 15th all the way through September 15th or so that’s conducive to more long balls, and therefore more runs. I just believe in hindsight (yeah, yeah anyone can do hindsight, I know) that I wish they had spread the wealth.
        For home runs-
        2006- 6th- top third
        2007- 1st- speaks for itself
        2008 – 11th- nearly top third
        2009 – 16th- neutral
        2010 – 10th- top third
        2011- 16th -historic pitching staff
        2012 – 11- nearly top third
        2013- 4th- too small a sample

        How about this-
        The players, the dimensions and the air make the park factors. Is that statement more acceptable?

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        The data doesn’t really support the idea that CBP turns into a homerun-friendly park in the summer. On your last note — the players make the PFs to a very small degreee, since park factors are calculated by comparing what players do at home, with what those same players do in road parks.

        You focused on home runs in your last comment, but in your original post you never mentioned home runs specifically. I think CBP does help home runs some for lefties, but not for righties, and the data shows that it’s actually worse than average for right-handed hitters in hitting home runs.

        And again, overall 11th, 16th, 10th, 16th, and 11th over the last 5 years. Over those 5 years combined it’s ranked 12th, with a PF of less than +4% — only TWO parks in all of baseball are closer to neutral over the last 5 years. It’s hard to make a case that it’s in the same ballpark, so to speak, as the actual homerun-friendly parks in the league: Colorado (+34%), Cellular (+33%), Cindy (+28%), Yankee (+26%), Baltimore (+25%), Texas (+25%), and on and on.

        But your original post wasn’t about home runs specifically (although that may be what you meant), it was whether the park was hitting friendly, and that’s what I was responding to — there is even less of an argument for saying that CBP helps hitting overall (i.e. scoring).

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        One more editing pass would have helped there would have helped there ;-)

         
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        Schmenkman, There were two reasons I used HR’s for my explanation. First, it’s a FIP stat that only air or dimensions can affect. Doubles for instance can be untouched in the gaps, or just off the glove of a corner infielder.

        Second, air and dimensions are the only measurable’s I know of for rating a stadium’s park factor. A sharp line drive hit in Hoboken is going to travel the same in Santa Rosa, and Omaha and wherever you can think of. The same can be said of a ground ball. So unless you can teach me a way to track “all fly balls”, home runs seemed the most useful measure.

        I just looked and can see that I mentioned “runs” in the first comment, my intent was not to deceive, sorry I went off the track there.

         
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      To your main point, I have no problem at all with spending a lot of money on the pitching. The only issue with it that I see, and it’s not an insignificant one, is that it makes games less fun for some fans who prefer more scoring, including, but not limited to, the more casual fans.

      The offense is mediocre, and by that, I don’t mean terrible, which is what people sometimes mean when they use that word, but middle of the pack. And when a mediocre offense is struggling, like it is right now, it’s going to look bad. And it certainly has been looking bad on most nights.

       
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        I agree about the insignificant issue with one exception. I don’t think it’s insignificant if I’m the owner of a team. I think that selling what the customers want is the key to any sustainable and profitable business.

        If you go to Mortons for an expensive lunch, order a burger, and they serve you a McDonalds hamburger, you’re going to be very disappointed. If you know that the fans will flock to your park for two things either winning or great offense, you try to give them one or the other.

        Listen, I didn’t disagree with the signings/ trades etc of the pitchers except Papelbon when they happened. I was happy and it would be disingenuous of me to say otherwise, but I am not a casual fan. I don’t need a ton of offense to find baseball interesting. I think pitchers duels are the best games. The problem is most people are not like me. So now in retrospect I think it would have been better to spread the wealth.- hitters park or not.

        P.S. I’ve never actually been to Mortons, do they even sell burgers? Probably a bad example.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I actually said it’s *not* insignificant.:-)

         
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        Oops- my bad.

         
  • Posts: 87 Johanna

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    Pat – I completely agree with you regarding the Mayberry hit and run play. In fact I said the same exact thing myself last night when I was watching the game. And even if a hit and run was called – shouldn’t Mayberry have wits enough about him to know that if a ball is hit between third and short – he’s definitely going to be out at the plate?

    The other question I have is – shouldn’t the coaches be telling these guys to be more patient at the plate? I am honestly sick and tired of seeing these guys make mediocre pitchers look like Cy Young award winners by swinging at the first pitch. Ryan and Jimmy are consistently swinging at pitches that are clearly balls.

    My third thought is – Freddy Galvis should be playing in some position permanently. I would take Dom out of left – because he is mediocre at best there and put him in right, and I’d put Freddy permanently in left. Mayberry would be purely a bench, utility guy. How many amazing plays does Freddy need to make to get a permanent spot someplace on this team?

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      On a hit and run play, there is no time to stop and look where the ball is going; you’re supposed to run full bore. That also makes it pretty much impossible to turn around even if you do see that the ball will be fielded easily. Also, the play was behing Mayberry, making the “see where the ball is going” problem even worse. The only question that should be raised is whether or not Mayberry should have been green-lighted when the batter hits mostly infield grounders. It might have been the best possibility of scoring, because had the ball been hit slightly differently he could have made it home. With the worst hitters due up, you try score anyway you can because you might not get another chance.

      As far as your second comment, don’t you thinks it’s likely the coaches ARE telling them to be more patient?

      Freddy Galvis will not be a regular until he proves he can hit. In his streak of starts, his batting got progressively worse. His current BA is about like Revere’s and there’s no way you put another .220 hitter in your lineup when it’s already horrible.

       
      • Posts: 87 Johanna

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        I do believe the coaches are telling them…I also believe there should be some consequences. Strike out on balls – or pop fly out on balls without a full count – sit down the next game. As far as Freddy is concerned, he’s way better than Mayberry in my opinion – however low on the baseball knowledge totem pole that may be. You are taking out one mediocre defenseman AND hitter and replacing him with a spectacular defenseman and soso hitter. I think that’s a win. On the hit and run – I agree with Jaron B below – but Kratz grounded into a double play anyway so I guess it really does not matter.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        I think your “consequences” are rather Draconian, and wouldn’t help at all. Just because a hitter happens to hit the ball up in the air before the count is full could merely be a sign that the pitcher is on his game and fooling the batter. I’d hate to see the hitter take a hittable pitch just because it’s not a full count yet. Striking out is another instance of being fooled, and if the batter is looking only to have a pitch called a ball ball, he might just K looking on three pitches. Another problem is that by removing a player for something that can happen due to a good pitch or pitcher, you’re never going to get him the regular at-bats he needs in order to get his eye/mechanics in order.

        I think there’s enough motivation for players to do well. Simple human vanity generally suffices in motivating anyone to do well when he’s being watched.

        As far as Galvis, whether he’s better than Mayberry, particularly in an unfamiliar spot like the outfield, is really, really, up for debate. Right now, Mayberry is hitting pretty well; Galvis isn’t, and Mayberry will probably always have more power.

        As far as agreeing with Jaron B, I can agree that the team needs to find a way to score more runs, but isn’t that what an attempted hit-and-run play is all about?

         
      • Posts: 87 Johanna

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        We have a lot of pitchers coming in on their game then. This pitcher was NOT on his game. These guys are being fooled by pitches they should not be fooled by. And if there is enough incentive to do well – why aren’t they doing well then?

        Agree with you with Mayberry’s hitting – I don’t agree on the defense. Galvis is gifted defensively it seems no matter where he plays. But i suppose I see your point.

        The hit and run also stops the double play which as Jaron suggested maybe Revere could have beat that out and we still have a runner on third. I also think it’s a good possibility – but who knows.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        Once again, I have to disagree with you on so-called incentives. There are any number of reasons why a batter sometimes just can’t perform. Even an average pitcher can sometimes look like Cy Young when a player is in a slump. And sometimes, a .240 hitter is just going to be a .240 hitter no matter what he’s been offered, or what you threaten to take away.

        My own feeling is that players like Kratz (a back-up), Quintero (back-up to a back-up), and possibly Brown, Galvis, and Mayberry are some of those very .240 guys. If any do improve, it’ll be because of coaching, not because of being benched and having no way to gain any repitition of what they may actually be improving on. Examples of this are easy to find (Brown’s 1st year, for example, when he barely got any at bats, or Dobb’s or Thome’s performances when they didn’t get regular playing time). Howard, too, would never be helped by not facing live pitching for days (and it would be days, because of his usual high strikeout totals).

         
  • Posts: 0 Jaron B

    Mayberry to home:

    From what I read, it seemed that Mayberry would not have made it home anyway. Could keeping him at 3rd while Revere beating out a possible double play changed the momentum in the Phils’ favor? It’s a possibility.

    The point: find a way to SCORE MORE RUNS!!!

     
  • Posts: 0 LouA

    moan all you want…a begger on the street would have taken the deal Howard got.
    But who wants to watch him shrugg and walk back each time like the loser he is? He per se, as used here is NOT the loser.
    RAjr should be fired on the spot for all the idiotic moves he made just for pitching …Coles as already said has been losing the past 3 to 4 years because he is pitching for the “Hitless Wonders”
    I wonder what they are doing on the field and even why 30K ppl go to freeze their rear ends off to watch them…Are these ppl for real?
    Pathetic is NOT the word….Sucks isn’t even the word….
    when you find one let me know.
    they should sell this team to someone who will get rid of all this crap they have beginning with RAjr

     
  • Posts: 0 JohnMatrix

    Locke-down? seriously, kill yourself.

     
  • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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    There are so many dumba$$ comments on this thread that I can’t even respond properly. Some of you clowns seriously need to get a grip. If you want to stop watching and rooting that’s your right…. but when they start competing again (and they will) there may be no room on the band wagon for you anymore.

     
    • Posts: 87 Johanna

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      Aren’t there always on blogs like this? I just ignore them and read for posters who know something. Always like reading Lefty’s posts. Reminds me of talking with my dad.

       
      • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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        Lefty’s cool for sure. For an “old” guy. Wait…I’m kinda old, too!

         
      • Posts: 5229 Lefty

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        Wow, thanks Johanna. I’ve enjoyed your comments too. All I can say is your dad must be one tall, rugged, and handsome man. :-)

         
      • Posts: 0 Johanna

        In no way did I mean you were old lol. My dad knows more about baseball than anyone I know so it was merely a compliment. I am 45 and he is 68. Compliments to you too chuck a. I read this blog far more than I post but last nights game was frustrating!

         
  • Posts: 0 Glutenous

    To add to that, while there may be quite a few “bandwagon” or “front-runner” fans, at least the Phillies DO pack the stadium when the product is good. Just look at some teams, like Atlanta, per se. They have one of the best squads in all of baseball and their Stadium is still mostly empty a lot of the time. Pathetic. Cincinnati, same deal. There are more. Hell, even the Yankees don’t sell out most of the time. I think we just got used to seeing a packed CBP with that ridiculous sell out streak, and seeing all of the empty seats is alarming, and perhaps a sign of the current state of the organization.

     
 
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