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Halladay Needs Surgery, Could Pitch Again in ’13

Posted by Pat Gallen, Wed, May 08, 2013 02:36 PM | Comments: 24
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Halladay will have surgery in the near future. (CSN)

Halladay will have surgery in the near future. (CSN)

Roy Halladay addressed the media in San Francisco today following his visit with Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles yesterday. The results were not great, but also, as of now, not career threatening.

Halladay announced he has bone spurs, a frayed labrum, and a partially-torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder, with surgery to follow. Doc mentioned it could be somewhere in the range of three months if everything goes as planned.

So, in essence, it’s bad, but not as bad as it could be. I think realistically, pitching again this season seems like an outside chance. Much depends on what they’ll find once they get in there. So it’s again a waiting game.

Halladay at least seems optimistic that his career can be saved, but again, they’ll know more after surgery.

What that means for his time in Philadelphia is also an unknown. He is a free agent after the season and did not address what would happen next year until he knows the extent of the injury. However, it’s very possible we could have seen Roy Halladay pitch for the final time with the Phillies – and in a 14-2 loss to the Marlins, no less. We certainly hope that is not the case.

As for his spot in the rotation, for the time being it will be Tyler Cloyd, but Ruben Amaro did say that with John Lannan’s impending return, he’s unsure if they will acquire another arm.

Here are some live-tweets during the media session:

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    NOT gonna pitch again in 2103. Gimme a break. His arm is screwed up but at least its not Johan Santana messed up. So…SHAME ON YOU ROY for not telling anybody about your arm pain. You probably exacerbated it with the insistence that you keep pitching, AND SHAME ON YOU PHILLIES for either not demanding an MRI or just plain ignoring the results. This bitc@ was mismanaged all around by all involved I’m sure. So freakin’ typical. SEE: UTLEY, Chase; GARCIA, Freddy (ie). MORONS!

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 G7

      Doubt there’s ever been a pitcher that hasn’t pitched with pain and tried to pitch through it..nature of the beast!!

       
    • Posts: 0 wbramh

      Roy Halladay is one of the greatest competitors this city has ever had the pleasure to see play for the home team. He’s a man who accepted less money (like Lee) to pitch in this city because he wanted to win a World Series. To place any shame on Halladay is patently ridiculous.

      Yes, I have been saying all along that something was physically wrong with him, but a competitor like Halladay (as G7 mentioned) is not likely to complain. He tries to play through it. If there’s any blame to go around it should be on the team for realizing that Roy’s combination of loss in velocity, loss of control and loss of his breaking cutter signaled that something more was going on.

      But Halladay worthy of shame?
      Not on your life.
      I’ll be happy to take 24 more players with his heart.

       
      • Posts: 0 G7

        Great post Wbramh!!

         
  • Posts: 5152 Lefty

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    I hope all goes well for Doc. If there was ever a man determined enough to get through this, it’s the great Roy Halladay.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Sounds way too optimistic to me. Shoulders are tricky; just ask Johan Santana or Chien Ming Wang, or just about anyone else who’s had his shoulder scoped. One can hope for the best, of course, and Halladay pretty much has to. He’ll heal faster if he thinks he can do it, and he does have that amazing work ethic.

     
  • Posts: 530 Bruce

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    If anyone has a right to be optimistic, it’s Halladay. We know how hard he prepares for each start and does take care of himself physically. His doctors seem reasonably optimistic in telling Halladay that with surgery he could pitch like he had 2 or 3 years ago.

    I along with all the Phillies fans do wish for him a complete recovery and hopefully he will be back with the team before the season ends.

     
  • Posts: 0 jason

    I know from personal experience that shoulder surgery is no joke. Ive had 3 surgeries on my labrum in the last 8 years, the.most recent one being 4 months ago. If Doc can come back in ’13 it will be a miracle.

     
  • Posts: 0 Don M

    One thing about Roy Halladay, he’s no Kyle Kendrick that’s for sure

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    John Clark, crack reporter, told by Roy Halladay that doctors had told him that “he’s had this injury for years” (bullshIt) and that surgery would “turn back the clock 2-3 years on velocity and location”. Firstly, who can predict how a pitcher’s location is gonna be after surgery?

    I admire Roy. But today, the dearth of common sense on how to discover and treat an injury, to communicate information about it to people, and how ridiculous people just wildly speculate about such stuff as medicine and recovery time and the like, is just maddening.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I’m frequently a percentage guy. So I feel safe in saying please ship the I was wrong message down the road.

      It’s adorable how people love to try to outguess the doctor on the spot.

      Back shortly after the all-star break assuming he does the scope like soon, and if the ballclub is closing on seller status, Doc would offer a potentially nice trade chip. Or pitch a playoff game in a Phillies uniform.

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    No shot Ken. None. Why would someone trade for an overpaid player just coming off of surgery? Thats just silly.

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Why would you write that? You made your point, I made mine. Do I look like one of these people that wants to solve a debate without anything close to the times discuused rolls out?
      See what happens. I love the way people make a poiunt, somebody disagrees, and they come back and repeat the same opinion they originally expressed. Good lord. If you disagree, you disagree. Ain’t my problem.

       
    • Posts: 0 G7

      Have to agree..last year of contract and rotator surgery..zero trade value!!

       
      • Posts: 0 wbramh

        IF Doc is healed enough to pitch in September it would be to beneficial to both pitcher and team to give him time on the mound. Being in a contract negotiation year he’s going to have to prove he’s healthy to any team, including the Phillies who would sign him in a second if he’s anything close to to the Doc of two years ago.

        Otherwise, he’ll likely rd be forced to prove himself in winter ball and remain unsigned until the last minute – and even then his value would still be in question against more uniform major league talent.

        Bad timing for everyone.

         
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        I could have elaborated on my point more than I did. I will, and it’s really nothing personal against anyone, but I’ll maintain in essence that people overly concerned or negative about Doc don’t know what they are talking about. And of course we’ll see if I do. Tell ya up front I’m no doctor, so this is largely fanspeak, but as I apply what I define as common sense, here’s what I envision happening.

        Firstly, no procedure, and/or a bone spur is a laughing matter. But along the lines of it, and arthroscopic surgery, as opposed to full blown, I won’t call it minor, but it’s not major. So it’s accurate to say I lean toward minimizing it (which isn’t to say it’s minimal, it just makes it less concerning than major.

        Get it done by May 15ish, and Doc should begin throwing semi seriously around June 15. I don’t see much reason not to project his legs being in pretty decent shape. Pitch 3-4 weeks of rehab type deals. and that puts him with the parent club around July 15, all-star break time.

        Pitch 2-3 games of effective baseball (I’m assuming the procedure helps, of course) and then you have let’s say 18 buyers, about 8 of whom could use a good starter for the stretch. Maybe as many as 4 could even use an actual playoff starter. Sure, Doc costs about 10 mil for that time, maybe as little as 7 or 8, but still a lot of bucks. So you wanna give up less of a prospect, but if he’s throwing well (defined as less than vintage, but better than even his “good” games of this year, and you sense he’s “back” so to speak, in a competitive bid, you’re more likely to overpay. If the Phils are hangin’, and Rube decides to keep Doc, I’d
        expect him to parlay those first couple starts into more.

        Time may prove me wrong. I don’t think so, but that’s got nothing to do with it. My opinion, which I’m fine with putting up to the time and circumstance test is that anyone thinking later than sooner about Doc is looking at it the wrong way. This has nothing at all to do with free agency, or trying to win a ring. It’s got everything to do with the competitor within versus the difficulties that are. And shoulder and age, and “surgery” as they are, I like the pitcher’s chances. Like I said, that’s how I read the percentages, and I’m a percentage guy.

         
  • Posts: 0 Bob in Bucks

    This is all becoming even sadder. I have a hard time believing that a bone spur causes you to pitch behind the batter without feeling significant pain.

     
  • Posts: 0 Rudy Canoza

    Good luck to Doc, but historically pitchers his age don’t come back from this.

    “Players over the age of 35 that went on the DL for any sort of shoulder injury only averaged 59 innings over the course of the rest of their career.”

    http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/is-roy-halladay-done-done/

     
  • Posts: 0 DavidE

    Halladay probably would be better off taking the rest of the year off. He came back quickly last year and while he certainly helped the Phillies make their run at the end of last year, he might have come back too quickly.

    The 3 months that Utley sat out last year probably prolonged his career and have likely contributed to his very good numbers this year.

     
  • Posts: 1190 Manny

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    I’ve said before that if Halladay isn’t close to this 2011/2010 version we’re screwed. I stand by that. However, if KK can become a sub 3-ERA starter, essentially replacing Halladay, we still have a chance. I don’t see that happening over the course of a season… but if he keeps pitching like that, you never know.

    Here’s to hoping Lannan is decent enough once he gets back from the DL.

     
    • Posts: 2990 Chuck A.

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      Top 3 starters in 2008 were Hamels, Myers and Moyer.

      Top 3 starters in 2013 are Hamels, Lee and a MUCH improved and almost re-invented Kyle Kendrick.

      Nothing against the 2008 staff because, after all, they DID win a championship. But, on paper, I’ll take the 3 from 2013 every single day.

       
      • Posts: 0 Rudy Canoza

        If the 2013 starting rotation had the 2008 lineup they’d be just fine, I agree.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        The bullpen was also much better in 2008, which was also helpful. In 2013 when a guy like Petibone or whoever replaces Halladay only goes 5-6, you’ve got to bring in the likes of Horst, Valdes, or Durbin. Not exactly a formula for winning a lot of close games.

         
      • Posts: 1190 Manny

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        In 2008:

        Moyer: 3.71 ERA
        Myers: 4.55
        Hamels: 3.09

        In 2013 (so far):

        Lee: 3.26
        Hamels 4.34
        Kendrick: 2.45 (NUTS!)

        I wouldn’t say there’s too much of a difference… and our lineup/bullpen were simply nasty in 2008. We don’t have that now. It’s different this time around; we rely on pitching and doing just a little better than in 2008 won’t cut it.

        Our starters need to really shine (aka Lee, Hamels, and someone else –KK?– need to post ERAs under 3.00 or so).

         
 
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