Lee Brilliant, Brown Homers Again in Phils Win over Red Sox

Posted by Pat Gallen, Tue, May 28, 2013 09:50 PM | Comments: 29
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Cliff Lee was vintage. Absolutely exceptional against one of the best offenses in the game, shutting down Boston over eight innings in the Phillies 3-1 win. Jonathan Papelbon made his return to Beantown and recorded his 10th save.


-Man did they need a line like this out of Lee: 8 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 8 strikeouts, 95 pitches.

-I have a big issue taking Lee out there. He was absolutely cruising, and I get the fact that your high-priced closer is waiting to come in, but why fix what isn’t broken? Lee barely worked all night and the Phillies pulled him for the sentimental value of Papelbon in Boston. Can’t say I loved it. What did you think?


-Michael Young led off the scoring in the first inning, snapping an 0-for-22 streak with his second home run of the season. It hasn’t been easy for Young lately, especially in the power department, so it was nice to see him strike early.

-Domonic Brown is freakin’ red hot. After winning the NL Player of the Week Award, Brown smashed his 11th home run to right center field into the bullpen. If you’re into this sort of thing, Dom Brown’s on pace for 34 homers and 93 RBI. Not bad. Raise your hand if you wanted him gone – I know you’re out there. At the conclusion of the game, Dom’s 11 homers were tied for 6th in the NL.

-Ugly evenings from Ryan Howard and Delmon Young. Howard fanned three times and on back-to-back at-bats, Young swung at the first pitch.

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  • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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    Pat, Was the decision made prior to Brown’s home run? In other words, I know Paps was warming, but had they congratulated Lee and everything? I couldn’t see on the Boston feed.

    I guess my answer is if they had made the decision prior to that, I might agree with you that they should run Lee back out there. But after the Dom Bomb, and 2 run lead, I would have left it to Paps.

  • Posts: 155 therookie300

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    I don’t have a problem with taking Lee out there. There’s enough injury issues at the moment and saving even one extra inning could be helpful. Paps is paid to finish it, let him.

  • Posts: 0 Jaron B

    Yeah, you should leave Lee in with 95 pitches, 0 three-ball counts and only four base-runners all night, but it was nice to see Pap get some work in against his former team with a 0.00 ERA not counting his 2-run performance in his first appearance of the year.

    How about BROWN?!!! .333/.333/.867/1.200 line with 7 XBH, a .400 BABIP, and only 5 Ks in his last seven games!!!

    This team, especially Mike Young & Ryan Howard, has hit some bad luck recently. Brown is a product of lucky moments. Brown should coach Howard on putting balls in play!

    And I was in the “Give Brown a roster spot!” camp this spring.

  • Posts: 0 DaveP

    Pat, I’m with you. Lee’s stuff tonight was sharp as a razor. When he was getting congratulated, I said out loud “you don’t bring a player in for the story. You don’t do that.” Didn’t come back to bite us (didn’t expect it to), but Lee deserved the chance to pitch a CG.

  • Posts: 0 George

    Mixed feelings on taking Lee out. Maybe Papelbon needed the work to stay sharp.

    What still bothers me is that the Phils simply aren’t scoring enough, even with Brown as hot as he’s been lately. It was only great pitching that won this game.

    • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

      Well-said. Despite Cliff being utterly filthy out there, and Brown lighting it up, unless the rest of the boys wake up their bats, even the wildcard spots are starting to slip away (7 back right now). Let’s go, Phils!

      • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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        Ed, The division is the Phils only chance IMO. Smart money says the WC’s are going to come from the Central and West. Just too many teams to hope they all slump and allow us back in. At least we get a lot of heads up games with the Braves and Nats. Not saying we’re good enough to do that, just that it’s way more likely than WC.

      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        See if we can cycle out a post here. In other words, cover all bases in one send. Deeeep breath, as Van Earl Wright probably still says in some market.

        Re Lefty’s better chance at the division. Probably have what 10 contenders, maybe 8 per annum for the 3 divvys in both Leagues. Probably have more contention for the 2 wild card spots not only more often, but A LOT more often than the division crown. So it’s probably typical to have a better shot at the division. If the Phils have a better shot at the divsion (which they might)m GOOD NIGHT NURSE. Realistically, at least. I’d be surprised if I looked at the standings and found 1 team with a better shot tat the wild card than the division, and I’d guess that’s usually gonna be the case with 2 cards the mode.

        This word vintage that pops up when Cliff is on, and it’s a lot this year is interesting. Faded memory in place, I can’t recall the word getting used so much since Gregory Allan Maddux rode the downside of his career. I guess it got play before Mad Dog, but hell if I remember.
        It’s just weird how some pitchers seem to get the word, most don’t. It’s definitely a great adverb/adjective, it’s just weird who gets it, who doesn’t. I can’t remember the word being in the sports pages before Maddux. My new nickname, let alone description of Cliff’s work is Vintage, which is going even a step beyond this interesting step.

        Some of the conversation on here of late has it’s interesting qualities. Peeps are talking about plate discipline, and it cracks me up. I guess people have worn of freaking hitting the ball, let alone discipline. But I guess if you can’t hit, might as well have discipline. Not that 5 pitches in 4 at bats a la Delmon Young is normal, but I’ve long felt a professional hitter sees a perceived hittable pitch on the first toss, what the hey. Not ALWAYS, but people scream about swinging at a first pitch swing with ‘em loaded as example isn’t always justified upgrade on the decibel level.

      • Avatar of "Big Ed" Delahanty

        I see your point, and it is a logical, strong one; however, I just don’t see this team winning the division. I hope I eat these words at a later date.

  • Posts: 0 Whatever

    You don’t take a pitcher of the stature of a Cliff Lee out in that situation.

  • Posts: 1110 Manny

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    I said it somewhere else on this blog recently and I’ll say it again… if we wanna score more runs (win more games), Brown needs to be hitting higher up in the lineup than 6th. He looks confident out there, he can handle it.

    • Posts: 0 hk

      While Utley is out:

      1. Young
      2. Brown
      3. Rollins
      4. Howard
      5. – 8. They’re all bad, so the order doesn’t matter much

      • Posts: 0 USC

        Charlie, is that you? I can’t see anyone else but Charlie consistently putting Howard 4th.

      • Posts: 0 hk


        Which of Delmon Young, Ben Revere, Freddy Galvis and Erik Kratz do you prefer to bat clean-up?

    • Posts: 0 G7

      Charlie has a plan for the young player, and it doesn’t involve moving him up..The veteran hitters need to get going, otherwise season is lost anyway.

      • Posts: 1110 Manny

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        Sounds like a terrible plan to me.

  • Posts: 0 hk

    Once they scored the 3rd run, I had no problem pulling Cliff. I had confidence that Papelbon would secure the victory and there’s nothing wrong with taking out your star pitcher after 95 (what seemed like) easy pitches and save his pitch count for another day. There were many times in 2010 and 2011 where it seemed like Charlie left Halladay (and others) in to finish the 8th or 9th innings of games that the Phils were 99% likely to win and, while there’s no way to know whether or not Doc’s arm would have worn down so quickly, those extra (unnecessary) innings and pitches could not have helped.

  • Posts: 0 Bob D

    I like the idea of Pap’s for Lee in 9th for the entertainment/sentimental value of it. If Lee had a shutout, then he stays for a chance of back to back CG Shutouts.

    Brown is showing the ability to hit 2/3/4. Kratz is hitting for power lately and could step ahead of D Young. Of course if Lee had hit, they may have scored more runs

  • Posts: 1376 Pat Gallen

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    I’m pretty sure the decision was made before the Brown home run. When Lee went to the dugout, it appeared they were hugging and congratulating right away.

    • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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      Thanks, I couldn’t see that on the Boston feed. In that case I agree with you.

  • Posts: 8 Michael

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    Aside from all that Lee/Pap talk (I didn’t like this move at all), they really gotta talk to Delmon Young about his approach. I know he’s been swinging first pitch for his whole career, but it’s just awful. Especially that “at bat” in the 6th. Dempster had just walked J-Roll and gone (I think) 2-0 to Howard. All of those pitches missed badly. And Delmon just swings at a really bad first pitch and hits that damn soft flyball. Why can’t that guy just let Dempster throw a couple of bad pitches and maybe give him a favorable count? I just don’t get it

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    Pat – TOTALLY not a fan of this move! I was just shaking my head at the TV, wondering if we were all gonna witness a blown save and, quite possibly, a loss. 95 pitches through 8. 0…that’s ZERO… 3 ball counts. I mean, seriously, I don’t get the move just so Paps and his buddy Ocho Cinco could take a trip down memory lane.

    Now….all that said… if ANYONE was gonna pull this off and be totally dialed in, given the situation, it’s Papelbon. I am quite sure that he was gearing up for this for a long time. Props are due and, I gotta tell ya… his post game interview with Murph was pretty classy. Saying what he said about going out and making it HIS job to save games for his starters….gotta love that attitude!

  • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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    Delmon Young is not impressing me at all. The guy has no plate discipline whatsoever! Why not go with Nix last night with the right hander on the mound and that short porch in right??

    • Posts: 1110 Manny

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      Agreed. Delmon Young simply isn’t giving us any value… Can’t run, can’t field. Bat is below average (wRC+ of 80 so far). In just 24 games with the Phils, he has accumulated a WAR of -0.5. He’s hurting this team’s chances, as simple as that. Might as well let JMJ play (better bat, fielding, and baserunning) –or even Nix on some occasions.

      To make things worse, Charlie keeps batting him 5th.. ahead of the NL player of the week. Yea, makes zero sense to me as well.

      • Posts: 2897 Chuck A.

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        I sort of agree with G7 above with his comment about Charlie keeping Brown down in the order. I can see that logic to a point so as not to put too much pressure on him as he continues to develop. HOWEVER….with D Young offering very little out of that 5th spot maybe it’s worth considering moving Brown up????

        At what point to they cut Delmon loose?? 24 games? 34? 2 months? I mean …at some point, if he continues like this, the experiment needs to be over.

      • Posts: 1110 Manny

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        He’s already batted 5th… Idk what’s the big deal about moving him up in the order. Our best hitter –I don’t care how “young” he is, etc– should not be batting 6th. More at bats for Dom!

      • Posts: 0 G7

        I understand ur frustration, but who exactly is getting on base consistently? Not a .300 hitter on this squad, and no one walks..

      • Posts: 0 c. schreiber

        That’s quite a 4 & 5 hitter isn’t it. Howard (strikeout King) & Young (swing at pitchers pitch). Two otus in a row almost every time. Was at game here in DC on Saturday “Big Lummox” 4K’s and I think Young had three. I’m sure Shrenkman will correct me if I’m wrong. Quite a murderers row, huh.

  • Posts: 1110 Manny

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    Pretty much sums up my whole point. With Howard and Delmon struggling to get on base, we are wasting Dom Brown’s extra-base power. Ideally, Howard should be out of the cleanup spot —HE should be batting 6th. But since we all know that’s not gonna happen, we gotta hope that Charlie moves Brown up in the order. All these solo shots are getting a little bittersweet…

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