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Royals Discussing Utley, Sox in on Young?

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Sun, June 30, 2013 11:25 PM | Comments: 35
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Chase Utley - Philadelphia PhilliesIn lockstep with Tim Brown’s piece at Yahoo! that states the Phillies will enter a “partial rebuild”, word from the Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo came out today that the Kansas City Royals have begun internally discussing acquiring Chase Utley. On Thursday, we looked at prospective matches for a hypothetical Utley trade, citing the Yankees, Orioles, and Blue Jays as teams that may be interested. No rumors as to who the Royals would offer but the Royals do have three Baseball America Top 100 prospects in their system: RHP Kyle Zimmer (24), OF Bubba Starling (35), and RHP Yordano Ventura (85). That’s probably be a good place to start the discussion. ¬†Starling and Ventura have struggled this season while Zimmer has good K totals (10.4 / 9 IP) but has had some bad luck (5.40 ERA).

In addition to the Utley rumors, Rob Bradford of WEEI.com believes that third baseman Michael Young may be a good fit for the Red Sox. Bradford reported that no “single conversation” has happened yet between the Red Sox and Phillies, while a New York Post report states that the Red Sox “want (Young) badly”. Young was traded for Lisalverto Bonilla and Josh Lindblom in the off-season and a comparable return would be likely.

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  • Posts: 4954 Lefty

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    You know I think if we give our man Cafardo enough time, he’ll link every playoff team to Utley, Papelbon and Lee in the next few weeks. When you guess them all, you’re bound to be able to say you were right in the end.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      I completely agree about Cafardo. He probably consults a crystal ball on these matters to be able to ascertain what officials are talking about thousands of miles away. Or maybe it’s tea leaves or Tarot cards.

      When a man gets a newspaper column, he somehow gains way too much respect.

       
  • Posts: 0 bacardipr

    Good point Lefty…I read the other day that 97% of the time they are wrong anyways. Those guys mention dont look at that exciting going by their stats. Once they concede i would only trade Young for any of them. I would trade Utley for 2 good prospects. I wonder if they will attempt to resign him at the end of season.

     
  • Posts: 0 hk

    Utley can block deals to 21 of the 29 MLB teams and I find it likely that KC would be one of those teams. Regardless, I think they should keep Utley for the duration of this season and try to extend him for another year or 2. Unless they want to sign Robinson Cano to a $150M+ deal, they’ll be hard pressed to find a 2B who can give them as much value in a full season as they can reasonably expect to get from Utley in 2/3 of a season.

     
  • Posts: 0 Kevin

    Is this crazy? possible? or just wishful thinking?

    Trade Howard for pebbles to an AL team (any team) and whatever salary relief we can.

    Move Utley to First and throw Galvis at second?

    Id really like to see Utley finish as a Phillie, and moving to first would prolong his career probably. The guy can clearly still hit the ball just needs to stay healthy.

    Thoughts on that scenario or something similar?

     
    • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

      I agree with everything you said except Galvis can’t hit, I’d go with Hernandez over him at second… and as much as several of us want,I doubt anyone would take on Howard and his money

       
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    I think that if you can get good return for Utley, you should trade him. My reasons:

    1. You have a position player to replace him with in Hernandez (he’s gotta play sometime);
    2. You can always resign him next year if you really want to – which you won’t.

    I don’t think that K.C. would give up more than one of those prospects for Utley.

    The Dipsy

     
  • Posts: 2967 Chuck A.

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    KC isn’t going anywhere …They’re a .500ish team just like the Phillies. I seriously doubt Utley even approves a trade.

     
  • Posts: 0 Pamikedc

    Pointless to give RH away for “pebbles.”

     
    • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

      You aren’t going to get pebbles or bam bam back.

      Maybe when hes in the last year . Which isn’t till 2016 ( cringe)

      You send hiom to the Yankees and they pay 5 million of the 25 million and you get 5 million to spend.

      That’s his value. Today no other team will take him. Wont even give cover of partial salary relief hes not worth 8 million a year. Probably not worth 5 million a year.

      Its really a shame with some of these guys.

      Rollins would have done well to have signed with KC when he was a FA.
      Would have helped all involved.

      Instead the Phillies are awful and old.
      Quite the combo.

       
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    Any chance KC would want Rollins instead of Utley. Agree with some of the other guys would love to see Chase finish as a Philly. Any word on possible prospects that we could get back for Paps?

     
    • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

      I don’t disagree with trying to move Rollins but if we do, whose gonna play ss for us.. Galvis, I’d rather keep Rollins if that’s case…

      I agree don’t trade Utley, re sign him and let him finish his career here I wish we could move him to first but Howard really can’t be moved unless we eat all the money owed to him, that’s unlikely… Idk if there’s other places to move Utley that would be easier on his knees maybe left field but his throwing would be a concern… there’s alot of tough decisions to be made, so it’ll get interesting soon

       
    • Posts: 2967 Chuck A.

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      See…I’d actually rather Rollins stay and maybe even retire here. HE…in my opinion…is the heart and soul of this team…has been here the longest. He had the ba!!s to open his mouth in Spring Training 2008 and say that they were the team to beat. Plus, he’s still pretty great at his position. He’s also cheaper than what Utley will probably command and he’s not as injury prone.

       
      • Posts: 0 Jay

        The way this team plays makes it look like they need a shake up. A move that would wake some of these guys up. Rollins still tries to play like how he used to play when he was younger. None of the OLD Core has allowed there game to evolve. Before the lack of plate discpline was ok bc they would bash homeruns. We dont have that luxury anymore. Chase is the only one that would at least take a pitch or two.

        Looking at this team right now. Moving Utley, M.Young, Rollins, Papelbon, Ruiz are really solid options bc it seems like Rube just doesnt want to move Lee.

         
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        I think Utley will take considerably less to stay in Philly.. I agree Rollins is the best option at ss for us right now, until the likes of Quinn or Crawford develop, which is gonna be a while, Galvis isn’t the answer and unless his hitting develops he’ll only be a backup…

         
      • Posts: 2967 Chuck A.

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        Unless the Phillies are back in it (not sure what really defines that) by the end of the month then you absolutely have to move M Young and Paps, listen HARD to offers for Utley, Ruiz and even Lee and at least consider offers for everyone else except for Hamels and Brown. Ryan Howard isn’t on this list either because he isn’t tradeable unless they eat a huge portion of his contract which isn’t gonna happen.

         
  • Posts: 0 Chris

    With only 4 games separating the NL West top to bottom, I could see maybe San Diego or Los Angeles making a play for Utley considering he’s a CA guy as an added bonus

     
  • Posts: 0 PhillyFanatic24

    Phillies shoud trade Utley now and then sign him again in the offseason.

     
  • Posts: 0 Jay

    if they fire Rube who should they find to replace him. I think andrew friedman of the rays would be a great guy to build a new nucleus

     
  • Posts: 0 Mike in NJ

    I’d trade anyone we could get value for, but I don’t trust Rube to get value.

     
  • Posts: 0 TheDipsy

    Why would anyone give a DAMN about who retires here? So, presumably some of us would turn down the value that comes with a good trade in exchange for the sentimentality of having an aging underperformer be able to finish his career here?

    Thats just stupid. Babe Ruth got traded. Wilt got traded. Gretzky got traded. Opening day 2014:

    CF – Ben Revere
    2B – Cesar Hernandez
    LF – Dom Brown
    RF – Maniac RH power hitter we sign in the off season.
    1B – Ryan Howard
    3B – ?
    C- Tommy Joseph or journeyman
    SS – Galvis

    The Dipsy

     
    • Posts: 4954 Lefty

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      “Why would anyone give a DAMN about who retires here?” Reasonable question.

      I think it’s about the romance of the club and players by the fans. I personally don’t give a damn, but many people do.

      I’m only guessing, I don’t really know, but I think the problem is that RA Jr. really does give a damn. I remember last season during the Jimmy negotiations that he said he had “an affinity” for Jimmy. I thought it was a dumb thing to say publicly during negotiations, but I think it did reflect his true feelings.

      It’s either that or he thinks it’s the best way to hold onto his viewing audience until 2015 to get the maximum for the new TV deal is bargained. Who knows what’s in his head.

       
  • Posts: 2967 Chuck A.

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    Let me re-phrase what I said about Jimmy staying here and maybe retiring as a Phillie. I would want him to stay because he’s relatively cheap for what he does….the guy’s a wall out there at short. Galvis???…you think Jimmy can’t hit??? Please.

     
  • Posts: 0 George

    Good middle infielders don’t exactly grow on trees. That’s why other clubs are thinking “Utley.” The problem with moving either he or Rollins is summed up in my first sentence.

    It may indeed be time to take a chance on Hernandez, but that could be risky with his limited AAA experience. And so far no one in the system can do as well as Rollins. Galvis still seems to have problems with offense, and he’s the only one close. Trades likely won’t work because of the competition from other teams in need, and free agents tend to be costly. I can see why Amaro would want Rollins and Utley to retire as Phils, simply because Rollins’ defense and Utley’s offence will be hard to replace.

     
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    RE: people retiring here or keeping players.

    You see what its done to the team having a GM on a level of a fan who stands in line for autographs.

    Also the fact that Utley is entitled to hit 3rd and Howard 4th is also BS.
    So if Schmidt made a comeback hed hit 4th at age 60? That would confuse Charlie though hed not know how to hit both Schmidt and Howard 4th.

    All of these things need to change for this team to have a chance to win a title.

    And that’s really what its all about.

    When the Braves were winning 19 straight divisions. And one WS. The Marlins won 2 titles as a WC. IMO the Marlins had a better run. Twice as good to be exact.

    Every day I come here hoping to see a manager or GM change as the highlight.
    Id like to see those 2 retire as Phillies. And I mean today.

     
    • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

      Utley has been hitting 2nd as of late and I don’t have a problem anywhere he his because he produces…

      Howard on the other hand has hit 4th for something like 500 straight games because Charlie won’t move him… the gm and manager both need a wake up call…

       
  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    I got no issue with Utley.

    My point was only that you aren’t always a 3 hitter. For life.

    And as much as Wheeler tries to indoctrinate you don’t drink the kool aid.

    Utley probably is still a 3 hitter when healthy. Rollins hasn’t been a lead off titter in over 4 years. Hittiing him 3rd is even worse. He should be 7th or 8th on a good team.

    From 2009 until now hes had about a .315 on base percentage.

    Ricky Henderson is rolling over in his grave.

    Just for comparisons sake. Rickey played 25 years.
    His career on base was .401

     
    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      Unfortunately Rickey hasn’t been one of the options available to Manuel since 2009. Although (since he’s actually not dead) I bet he can still get on base and steal a few.

       
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        careful what you wish for Ruben might get on the phone with Rickey soon lol

         
  • Posts: 0 Bart Shart

    To me, it looks like we are being offered pure crap for two guys that can hit and make a genuine difference. That is from the records I saw of the Royals minor leaguers. Maybe I’m missing something.

     
    • Posts: 4954 Lefty

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      You’re not missing anything in my opinion. I feel the same when people say we can get Avisail Garcia from the Tigers for Paps, just meh.

       
    • Posts: 0 Double Trouble Del

      It seems a little sad to be discussing the departure of one of the best Phillies players to don the uniform however it would be a great disservice to the man to only get back a bag of balls in a trade. A player like Starling was a number 5 overall selection, is 20 years old and after some early struggles due to a vision problem seems to be getting back on track. I wouldn’t shrug off a player like that. I think thats exactly the type of player the team would be looking for to trade away two or three months of Utley’s service depending upon how much salary we pick up.

      I am not really sure that any of the Phillies potential trade partners with the possible exception of Detroit or Texas would be sending back MLB ready talent.

       
      • Posts: 4954 Lefty

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        I’m just saying that if -for example you trade James Shields, you get Wil Myers. If you trade Carlos Beltran, you get Zach Wheeler.

        So, if you trade Chase Utley, you get more than one meh prospect. If you trade Paps to the Tigers, a team that desperately needs a closer because they’re in the “win now window”, you hold out for Alex Castellanos, not Avisail Garcia, that’s all.

         
      • Posts: 4954 Lefty

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        Oops, meant Nick Castellanos, not Alex of the Dodgers.

         
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        I’d hold out for both and maybe another for paps

         
 
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