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Ruben Amaro Jr.: The Rainmaker

Posted by Ian Riccaboni, Fri, July 19, 2013 06:00 AM | Comments: 32
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Writing about baseball is one of my many hobbies – I’m also a vinyl junkie. I avidly hunt yard sales, flea markets and the like, searching for anything that looks good or that I have heard good things about. For years, I had heard of a group called the Rainmakers out of Kansas City, MO. They had a few roots-rock hits in the mid-late 80s and, as cliche as this may sound, were kind of a big deal in Scandanavia. To me, the Rainmakers were a lot like the 1994 Montreal Expos: a supremely talented unit that had all of the tools and players to be a smash but just never made it for reasons out of their control. At one point, the Rainmakers were pretty en vouge, scoring big MTV video rotation with Let My People Go and having their debut record reach #87 on the Billboard chart.

Their 1987 follow up to their self-titled debut, Tornado, failed to crack the Billboard Top 100, despite the video for Small Circles featuring a very young “Stanley” from The OfficeI found Tornado on a record hunt and, for just $2, it was mine. Called “Rainmaker“, the eighth track on the album was driven by a harmonica and a 12-string. And I swear, even though it was written in 1987, it is an ode to Ruben Amaro Jr and the 2013 Phillies, where they are, who they have been, and where they are going, complete with a snap-shot of the sometimes-aggressive fans, capturing a “be careful what you wish for” attitude that I am surprised more supporters do not have.

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The Rainmaker came to town

And the people got what they wanted

The Rainmaker came to town

And everybody got what they need

Amaro inherited the 2008 World Series Champion Philadelphia Phillies, tens years after he was hired by Ed Wade as assistant general manager. Working as an apprentice under Hall of Fame architect Pat Gillick, Amaro witnessed Gillick pull off one shrewd move after another. Amaro watched as Gillick rid the team’s payroll of the then-redundant Jim Thome for Aaron Rowand in 2006. Gillick re-tooled at the 2006 deadline, trading away Corey Lidle and Bobby Abreu before acquiring Jamie Moyer. Jayson Werth, then, an outfielder with plus potential but sidelined by a series of freak injuries, was signed in the winter of 2006 for a song by Gillick.

Gillick continued to make a series of minor moves, including signing J.C. Romero in 2007 once released by the Red Sox, signing Greg Dobbs off of waivers, and trading very little of value for Joe Blanton, Matt Stairs, Rudy Saenez, Scott Eyre, and Tadahito Iguchi (twice). Gillick fared well with some big moves (trading for Brad Lidge) while others left a bit to be desired (trading Gio Gonzalez for Freddy Garcia and waving his physical, signing Adam Eaton to a three year deal, signing Geoff Jenkins to a two year deal).

As the dust settled from the 2008 championship parade, the keys to the Ferrari were now in Ruben Amaro’s hands. And while his first move was trading Greg Golson for John Mayberry Jr., he wasted little time after that making a splash. Amaro signed 37-year old Raul Ibanez to a three year deal, acquired the reigning AL Cy Young Cliff Lee from Cleveland for some spare parts, signed Pedro Martinez, and suddenly, he had given the Phillies fans exactly what they were looking for: a team that returned to the World Series.

The people wanted power and reputation galore

So they became a bunch of bullies in the assorted sizes war

And they sailed around the global block, looking for some heads to knock

And most of them came home heroes, heroes in a box

Something strange happened after reaching the World Series in 2009. Talk radio hosts started insisting that the Phillies were now a “win the World Series or the team is a disappointment” team, suddenly in a class with the Yankees and Red Sox with fans, sports writers, and pundits, despite having only won only two World Series titles and seven pennants in the 107 seasons that had a World Series. The people were out for blood, another World Series they wanted. Amaro was, too. He traded a fair package for Roy Halladay, only to get a not-so-good return for Lee.

The Phillies went out and signed names: Placido Polanco, Jose Contreras, Danys Baez, and Brian Schneider. The Phillies went out and traded for names: Roy Oswalt and Mike Sweeney. It was exciting – each piece seemed to be the missing ingredient that would have put them over the top from the last season. They were not – they closed out the 2010 season at home against the Giants. A few home runs by Cody Rose and one by Juan Uribe put a sudden end to a team constructed for a championship or bust.

The Rainmaker came to town

And the people got what they wanted

The Rainmaker came to town

And everybody got what they need

The rain came falling down

Cats and dogs and buckets

And the Rainmaker sailed away on a flood of relief

The fans got what they wanted: $143 million payroll, stars, notable players on the bench, and lots of them. But losing hurts and Amaro found an old flame, his relief. Amaro signed Lee and the rain continued to fall. The 2011 payroll was $172 million.

The people wanted beauty, prettiness and all

So they stretched and they dressed and they made up and put mirrors on every wall

‘Til they all went blind from eyestrain from the thing they wanted most

Now everybody’s so isolated, a good lookin’ bunch of ghosts

The Phillies were the vaunted “Mystery Team” in the Lee sweepstakes, signing the lefty to a $135 million contract. The Phillies had the shiniest toy of all and merchandise couldn’t be sold fast enough. Fans and analysts pegged the team as the instant World Series favorites. But the first warning signs were there: Polanco played only 122 games, Schneider hobbled his way through just 41 games as the back-up catcher, and Chase Utley played a career-low 103 games as a regular in what would begin a yearly guessing game of how many games the All-Star second baseman would play.

The Rainmaker came to town

And the people got what they wanted

The Rainmaker came to town

And everybody got what they need

The rain came falling down

Cats and dogs and buckets

And the Rainmaker sailed away on a flood of relief

Amaro, sensing an opportunity to improve the team, traded just a little too much to acquire Hunter Pence before the 2011 trade deadline. Pence was quirky with an all-or-nothing swing, endearing himself to the fans rather quickly with quotes like “Good game, let’s go eat.” And once again, Amaro improved the team and won the public opinion battle.

And the women just wanted their food to eat

Instant potatoes and rubber meat

The kids just wanted to watch TV

And now the girls can’t spell and the boys can’t read

The men just wanted a steady job, now they’ve got to pay the union mob

And everybody wanted to be free, laws and rules should keep it that way 

If it was not apparent before, the Phillies became a brand much like the Cubs or the Red Sox. The women flocked to Utley’s good looks, while the men liked his gritty play. Ibanez’s two hot months to start 2009 kept him in the fan’s good graces and Ryan Howard was still seen by many fans as the preeminent power hitter of Major League Baseball. The fans got their meat and potatoes and then some.

Meanwhile, the farm suffered, the kids weren’t alright. After building a World Series winner out of home-grown talents like Howard, Utley, Rollins, and not missing on first round picks like Pat Burrell, Brett Myers, and Cole Hamels, the Phillies found themselves missing left and right in the draft, capped in 2011 by one of the biggest potential bust first round picks in quite some time, Larry Greene. When they did hit it square on the head (Jonathan Singleton, Jared Cosart), those players were traded for established stars. The Phillies were suddenly like a gambling addict believing they were just one hand, one major move from winning the World Series. The Pence trade was the move they thought would do it, to keep the fans happy.

Meanwhile, box office gates couldn’t have been higher. The Phillies were in the middle of a record sellout streak, sometimes pricing the common man out of the ballpark. The cheapest ticket in the ballpark went from $9 in 2009 to $16 in 2011 and the more expensive tickets? Well, I could never afford so I cannot simply look at stubs to tell you, though I’m positive those rose accordingly.

I don’t have to remind anybody: popular opinion dictated that the Phillies should have beaten the Cardinals in 2011 in the playoffs. Laws and rules should have kept it that way. They did not.

Well everybody wants to be happy

Everybody wants to be warm

To be loved and liked and wanted

And to have some kind of home

But kid made his word and keeping it is tough

And destroying it is the easy bit, we’ve all got the magic touch

Fans, writers, and supporters alike entered the 2012 disillusioned with what had happened. Amaro, like a compulsive gambler, added 31-year old Jonathan Papelbon to the payroll to once again stretch it to $171.5 million. Just one more piece. All we need is a reliever. As fans, we told ourselves Howard would be the 2007 Howard if he came back. We told desperate lies to one another that Utley would again be an All-Star second baseman. Yet, the both of them together would play only 154 games.

We kept ourselves warm with fantasies of a Domonic Brown break out campaign, of a rotation that still looked quite formidable, and maybe, just maybe a Thome walk off homer in the playoffs. But in 2012, the Phillies finally lost to Father Time and Mother Nature, who are both, as far as my records dictate, are still undefeated. Polanco would play only 90 games at third base, leading to Mike Fontenot seeing significant time as the starting third baseman before one of the true highlights of the season occurred: Kevin Frandsen leading an unlikely, and somewhat unfamiliar, Phillies club into the playoff mix late in the season.

But Amaro, to his credit, noticed the odds were pretty stacked against the team that was six games off its current 2013 pace at the All-Star Break or an astounding 17 games below their pace from the year before. Amaro had given his word to be a contender and kept it but the 2012 version of the Phillies were beat down by injuries. Amaro traded Thome, then Pence, and Gillick-acquired players Blanton and Victorino. The sentiment stung, but here at Phillies Nation and on Phillies Nation TV, Pat, Corey, and I argued it was the right thing to do.

The Rainmaker came to town

And the people got what they wanted

The Rainmaker came to town

And everybody got what they need

The rain came falling down

Cats and dogs and buckets

And the Rainmaker sailed away on a flood of relief

Sail away

And now, the crossroads. Amaro, thus far, has given the people exactly what they have wanted: a bigger payroll, star players, and, to his credit, a slowly improving farm system. Now what he no longer has is a first place team. The All-Star Break will end promptly at 7:05 PM tonight in Queens, NY, the Phillies, winners of two straight, now at 48-48 and one of the oldest dogs in the fight, looking to climb firmly back into the race. So far, Amaro’s tenure has been a series of “be careful what you ask for”s; some (trading for Lee, Halladay, and even Mayberry) have worked out better than others (trading Lee, trading for Pence and then getting substantially less back for him), while the verdict is still out on others (Gabriel Lino for Thome is looking good in his favor while Oswalt for Jonathan Villar and others is not).

Whether you wish the Phillies to buy or sell – be careful what you ask for: whichever way the coin falls, the rain will fall. A few wrong decisions, and nobody is sailing away on a flood of relief.

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About Ian Riccaboni

Ian Riccaboni has written 819 articles on Phillies Nation.

Ian's athletic achievements include getting stuffed by NBA center Aaron Gray in high school and hitting .179 over four years for NYU against D-III, NAIA, JuCo, and NCBA schools. Ian hopes his athletic successes will help him achieve his dream of becoming the underground Bob Uecker.

 
 
  • Posts: 0 hk

    Ian,

    I am pretty sure that Wade, not Gillick, was GM when the Phils chose Victorino in the Rule V draft.

     
  • Posts: 0 Vinlo77

    I am not sure if I am supposed to take the story this way, but it seemed really condescending. And this is what I find so strange about people who seem to be complaining about Amaro’s “reign”. It provided some of the best baseball we will ever see out of this club.

    Amaro did the exact opposite of what we all complained about the Eagles and Andy Reid. The Phillies organization felt they had a dominant team and tried to add to that…. The same things most Eagles fans complained that the Eagles didn’t do.

    I don’t condone everything that was done in the past 5 years but I wouldn’t trade it in for a second.

    And now that our team has struggled a bit for a season and a half, we are so spoiled that we point out how some other organizations are run and pine for them?

     
    • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

      I agree, we were in the win now mode, or mindset and we made a lot of deals to hopefully further our depth into the playoffs, even though we didn’t win it all,I don’t necessarily view those years after our championship as failure, as I said before you have to be in it to win it and I’m thankful we’ve been in it alot lately and the ball didn’t always roll our way, but that is baseball, and you can’t script it..

       
    • Posts: 440 Ian Riccaboni

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      “And now that our team has struggled a bit for a season and a half, we are so spoiled that we point out how some other organizations are run and pine for them?”

      You made my point for me with this statement. I see Amaro in a lose-lose position with whatever happens this year with this team. He’s suddenly the Emperor with new clothes: not necessarily because he wants to be but in part because he has been driven there by overwhelming expectations by the rest of the front office, fans, and media.

      Without getting too hyperbolic, the Phillies have been run like a gambling addict seeking their fix, their big payout, in this case the World Series, with their friends (the media, fans, and the front office) rarely jumping in and saying “Hey! This behavior isn’t good for you,” because of Amaro’s impressive success in the first Lee and Halladay trades.

      When other outlets did (Buster Olney was critical of a few of the Phillies moves and most grades of the first Pence trade landed in the Phillies favor of the Astros), the collective “friends” were caught up in the rush of gambling – it wasn’t our money, why should we care?

      For the second year in a row, the Phillies are up against the luxury tax and may have nothing to show for. In this piece, I’m not advocating either buying or selling – I’m amazed that the Phillies have come to this point based on some bad luck but a number of short-sighted decisions. Yes, 2008 may feel like it was yesterday or forever ago depending on your perspective, but teams with similar spending and market size find a way, year after year, to compete. Six years isn’t a super long time ago – it is the length a team has control over one player before they must sign them to a contract.

      In part, I feel bad for the predicament Amaro is in: he’ll be left holding the bag, in the Emperor’s New Clothes, win, lose, or draw. And they likely are not winning this year.

       
      • Posts: 0 Vinlo77

        What I don’t get is Ruben some good trades. Ruben made some bad trades. Just like most other GM’s, but a lot of the Phillies fans on the message board view him as a buffoon. He signed guys to some big contracts. Just like a lot of GM’s for a lot of other teams. Most of the big contracts have performed well. Ryan Howard has not and will not live up to the money.

        there is no doubt RAJ should be on the hot seat, I just don’t see the sinking ship everyone else does.

         
    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      I think the spirit of your message is pretty darned good. And you did say you don’t condone all the moves of the last few years, buit to an extent, I think you are carrying the pendulum a t least a little far toward giving a pass and being grateful for the results. Ruben seems to have a knack for making deals that are very good, or darned close to polar opposite. And in that mix are also some moves I thought were poor, but they worked out well, offering evidence that always surfaces that I shouldn’t be too quick to pass judgement on him. Out of all that comes a focus on the future, and I can’t say I’m brimming with confidence toward the future.

       
      • Posts: 0 Matt McCarthy

        If Ruben Amaro had a crystal ball in his job interview and told David Montgomery the following, would he have been hired?:

        I am going to take a full step back in each of the next six season’s from 2008-2013.
        I am going to double your payroll in doing so.
        And to boot, I’m going to drain your farm system.

        My guess is that he wouldn’t have gotten the job.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        No, but that would be one very distorted crystal ball.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        schmenkman,

        I know you like to play devil’s advocate on postings like this, but it’s actually not too distorted. What if Matt McCarthy had instead written?:

        1. Under my guidance, this World Champion will turn into a sub-.500 team in less than 5 years.
        2. During that time, I am going to significantly increase payroll at a time when most of baseball is barely increasing payroll*.
        3. And to boot, although I’m going to inherit a top 5 or 10 farm system in baseball, I’ll have it in the bottom 10 within 5 years.

        * I haven’t checked recently, but in RAJ’s first three years, the Phillies increased their payroll by >67% while the other 29 teams averaged < 2% increases in payroll. Because the Phils have lowered their payrolls since 2013, RAJ's spending relative to the rest of MLB has since reduced.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        If he had also said, that:

        - he was going to hold on the home grown core, which would of course increase payroll
        - he was going to take the team back to the WS in 2009
        - have the most wins in baseball in 2010
        - have the most wins in baseball in 2011
        - and that he would need to rob some from the future to make that possible
        - deal with injuries to the 2 best players plus Howard in 2012
        - and to Howard and Halladay in 2013
        - and that CBP would sell out every game for 3 years
        - and that by 2013, the farm system would again be in the middle of the pack (as it’s expected to be) — and BTW I think “top 5 or 10″ is too generous for 2009, maybe 10-12

        I think Montgomery would say:
        “Understood, I appreciate the honesty, it sounds like you would have done exactly what we would want you to do. Congratulations, you start tomorrow.”

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        Just so I have this correct, what’s the results-based criteria here, regular season performance (i.e. most wins and getting into the playoffs) or post-season performance (getting into the World Series)? Saying he took them back to the 2009 World Series, when he inherited the 2008 champion that Wade, Arbuckle and Gillick built, is a little misguided. And, if post-season performance is the criteria, I’d call taking over a World Champion and turning it into a league champion, then a league runner-up, then a first round loser during a period in which he (a) increased the payroll by 67% while the rest of MLB was practically holding payroll steady on average and (b) gutted the farm system a failure. If regular season performance is the criteria, I’d again say that his team’s success was too short-lived in light of the payroll increases and the farm system gutting.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Getting to the postseason is the goal. Montgomery has been around long enough to know that the postseason is a crapshoot, but you have to be in it to win it.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        So, if getting to the post-season is the goal, how much credit does RAJ deserve (relative to Wade, Arbuckle and Gillick) for the 2009, 2010 and 2011 post-seasons? When you consider the situation he inherited (MLB talent + farm system + ability to spend when everyone else was holding the line), do you really believe he’s done well in his 5 years? I believe that most qualified GM’s – or Gillick if he had stayed – would have produced better results and had the team better positioned for the future. Prior to yesterday, RAJ would get a D+ in my book, but the Gonzalez signing bumps him higher to a C-.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        hk, of course he inherited a very good team, and then he brought in Oswalt, Halladay, and Lee, to improve the team and maximize their chances in a short series.

        And he was successful and did improve the team, as their regular season got better in 2009, 10, and 11, but (no surprise at all), it only translated to one WS appearance.

        I don’t think there’s much debate all about this — the 2009-11 teams were all better than the ’08 team.

         
      • Posts: 0 hk

        schmenkman,

        No one is saying that thee 2009-2011 teams weren’t good / didn’t improve. The issues are:

        1. How much credit for them making the post-season in those years does RAJ deserve relative to Wade, Arbuckle and Gillick?

        2. Would they have made the playoffs in those years with any old GM at the helm and still been in position to extend the run into 2012, 2013 and beyond?

        RAJ’s moves had little to do with them making the 2009 post-season as he basically swapped Ibanez for Burrell at the outset and picked up Lee at a time when the team was nearly a lock to make the post-season. In 2010, he used the advantage of having payroll to spend in a de-leveraging world to add Halladay – although he had to (or decided to) give up Lee to do so. The fact that he gave up Lee led him to need to give up more prospects to get Oswalt and the package that he gave up for Oswalt was greater than the one he got for Lee. Finally, in 2011, when the team was again a near certainty to to make the playoffs on July 30, he gave up a huge package of the future for Pence. To me, the fact that he has made more bad moves than good means that he has done a bad job of capitalizing on the great situation that he was handed. I guess we can agree to disagree because there’s obviously no way to know what a GM like Daniels, Mozeliak, Beane or Gillick would have done with this team post-2008.

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        I’m not making an argument that Amaro is one of the best GMs in the game, or that someone wouldn’t have done better. And I disagreed with Pence 2011 as much as anyone.

        But 1) I believe that at least the overall direction (extend Hamels and Howard, for example) is set, or at least heavily influenced, by the ownership, and 2) I don’t blame Amaro entirely for the injuries to Howard, Utley, and Halladay, and without those injuries both 2012 and ’13 would have looked different.

        Finally, I’ll add that the core won in 2008, despite not being the best team, when they were all already well into their primes. The starting lineup, C to RF: 29, 28, 29, 29, 33, 31, 27, 29

        Gillick didn’t exactly hand Amaro a team of young studs that he could ride into their prime. Amaro didn’t help matters with the Ibanez acquisition, but by Amaro’s first opening day in 2009 they were already mostly 30 year olds.

         
  • Posts: 87 Dr. Dave

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    Enjoyed the article! Liked how you included the song.

    Gillick was the best GM in the business! Amaro received the fruits of his labor.

    NOW, it is on Ruben’s shoulders. If everything goes south, he WILL keep his job longer than expected. He is a legacy.

     
    • Posts: 0 George

      Gillick inherited the fruits of Wade’s labor, and only really did some effective tweaking. His big moves were mostly bad, like Gio Gonzalez and Gavin Floyd for a bum-shouldered Freddy Garcia, the Eaton fiasco, and the Jenkins contract. Wade signed all of the prospects who made up the core of the team: Rollins, Utley, Howard, Hamels, Ruiz, Burrell, and Bourn, without whom Gillick would have been hard pressed to get Lidge. And it was Wade who grabbed Victorino in the rule 5. That leaves Werth, who was a gamble and could have been a bust; in other words, a luck move.

      Personally, I get really nauseated by those who constantly proclaim Gillick’s genius. And if Amaro was his understudy, Gillick certainly couldn’t have been a very good teacher.

      One other gripe: some of the draft picks have been bad lately, but that happens to every team. And you rarely get great picks anyway when you’re at top of the league in wins and thus in the botton part of the draft.

       
      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        Seems like Gillick did nice jobs winning in Toronto (longer) and Baltimore before the franchises fell into decline after he left. Ruben’s either kept the ship more afloat here, or depending how the ship steers the next couple years, just guided a slower deflation.

        He always struck me as pretty deserving of his rep. Not perfect, maybe a little old fashioned, maybe not as easy to love/respect as Paul Owens, but a terrific baseball guy. Might be a fair amount of truth in saying he inherited Wade’s hard work. Not might be, it has truth and fact, but still, to me, he deserves better than to be thought of as a guy who inherited the bennies of a prior administration. Great job on Werth, and I might not have admiited it at the time, but yeoman’s work on Moyer, too.

         
      • Posts: 0 George

        I’ll admit that Gillick has done some good work, particularly with those other teams he was with. But I’ll never believe he was all that great with the Phils. Some of his moves were fine, others were total disasters. To me, that’s not genius; it’s just about the kind of records others have had. And I still say Werth was luck more than skill. Maybe Gillick saw something there (or the scouts did) but maybe he just managed to draw to an inside straight, as most everyone does at times. You can praise the signings of Moyer or Stairs, or a few others, but he cost the team millions with Jenkins and Eaton and lost a future ace and a good 4th starter with the Garcia debacle. And those Eatons and Garcias also cost a few wins. The Phils would have floundered badly if those kinds of moves continued.

        With the Phils, Gillick was pretty good at filling a few holes with castoffs, but it was Wade who made sure the holes were small enough to fill.

         
  • Posts: 0 Fritz

    The last 5 years have been magic for me but I go way back to the fifties with the team.
    I have seen a lot of bad baseball but still love the Phils. I really hope Amaro can pull a rabbit out of a hat and that we get to make a run for the playoffs. I’d feel a lot better about our chances if Revere had’t got hurt.

     
  • Posts: 87 Dr. Dave

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    I have a friend who has a significant position in the Phillies organization. I have been in Ruben’s office. I have rooted for the Phillies since the early 1950′s. I also hope that this current group can go on a special run. I want Charlie replaced. Not Ruben.

     
    • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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      And replacing Charlie…the man with the most wins as Phillies manager, no losing seasons and a great record in the second half…will do just what???……????……..

       
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        all those wins and the great second half records that’s all Charlie’s doing, not the players on field? HA!! Ok

         
      • Posts: 2993 Chuck A.

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        Hogey – Of course the players deserve credit. But Charlie is the guy that has helped motivate them to do just that. Not saying that Charlie is the greatest manager to ever live…far from it… or that someone else coouldn’t do just as well if not better….but the undeserved “hatred” he gets in this town is unwarranted. Especially with his rather good body of work and track record over the past 9 seasons. In my opinion.

         
      • Posts: 87 Dr. Dave

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        Joe Torre was great with the Yankees and nothing B4 or after. Chollie is a joke. With the talent he was given, he should have been in the World Series at least 4 times. How’s it working now? We need someone to kick some a__. J-Roll apparently doesn’t have to hustle anymore. And he’s the supposed team leader? Trade him and let Galvis play defense at SS. Galvis is a great defensive player and at least he would hustle!

         
      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        This team needs a better manager, among other things, but the bottom line in all the Charlie Manuel crap talk is he needs to go, the Phil’s need a new voice, he’ll forever be glorified for the 08 championship and the 5 year run, good for him how move on…

         
      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        “With the talent he was given, he should have been in the World Series at least 4 times.”
        @Dr. Dave, with all due respect, that’s ridiculous. The Phillies have gotten less out of their postseasons than some teams, and more than many others.

        And the last time the Phillies had an a__ kicker with Larry Bowa, how did that work out?

         
  • Posts: 0 Ty

    I do not understand all the gripe Howard is getting. He is a true power hitter. I mean he is not The Big Donkey, but he will strike out and with a alarming frequency. When the team was winning this wasnt a concern, but now that they are not Howard becomes a bum who isnt worth his contract? He is doing what he was signed to do-be a power hitter and for better or worse that means he will hit or he wont.

     
  • Posts: 0 Skip W

    Hey RAJ!….Call Boston….Michael Young and Delmon Young for Shane Victorino and anything else you can get.

     
    • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

      Nice!!! Unlikely but nice lol

       
  • Posts: 0 wbramh

    Well I suppose we can debate forever the relative worth of Amaro versus Gillick versus Wade.
    Personally, I only care about the current team on the field and the state of the farm system.
    Somebody made those decisions and it wasn’t Michael Martinez, Delmon Young or Chad Durbin.

     
 
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