Braves Drop Phils For Series Victory

Posted by Ryan Dinger, Wed, August 14, 2013 11:48 PM | Comments: 28
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Hamels has been a victim of poor run support all season. (Photo: AP)

Domonic Brown was the lone highlight tonight. (Photo: AP)

Following an hour and 48 minute rain delay, the Phillies took the field and got to doing what they do best–losing baseball games. This time, it was 6-3, but the score hardly matters. Another notch in the loss column, making it 19 losses in their last 24 games.

In a game that also featured a stoppage for bats and an injury delay within the first two innings, the only unremarkable thing on the field was the Phillies effort. They’ve been flat-lining for weeks, and a revival doesn’t seem to be coming. Hapless and uninspired, your 2013 Philadelphia Phillies delivered once again tonight.


- John Lannan has seen better starts to a month. In his first two starts since the calendar flipped to August, he’s surrendered 10 earned runs in 9.1 innings pitched. Perhaps it was pitching on three day’s rest, which he did last week, that has thrown Lannan off, but he has quickly lost it after having a very productive July (3.38 ERA over 32 IP). Though he did struggle in his two starts before that as well.- Still, pitching on three day’s rest can be asking a lot. Perhaps that contributed to Lannan’s apparent knee injury, which forced him out of tonight’s game after an ugly 1.1 innings. Wild and ineffective would be the two best adjectives for describing the 28-year old lefthander’s performance, and his inability to get batters out put the Phils in a hole too deep. He’d leave the game with the bases loaded, having already allowed two runs. His final line is a train wreck: 1.1, 4 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 1 K. No word as of yet on what Lannan’s condition is, but the injury is to the same knee (his left) that landed him on the DL earlier in the season.


- The bullpen didn’t waste any time in picking up where Lannan left off. Long man Zach Miner came on in Lannan’s wake, allowing all three of the inherited runners to come around to score. He’d actually pitch pretty well after that, holding the Braves scoreless for two more innings. After that rocky second, the bullpen limited the scoring to one for the Braves, but the damage had been done.


- Last week, in the recap of another Phillies defeat, this one at the hands of the Nats, I wrote that fans should focus on Domonic Brown for the rest of this season. Brown appears to be a budding star, and it’ll be interested to see how he handles these final two months with this being his first full season in the bigs. I’m sticking with that theme tonight. After a brief slump following a stint on the DL, he continues to produce. He went 3-for-4 with a double and a home run. He was one of two highlights in the Phillies offense tonight. The rest of the lineup went 5-for-30.  He also made a nifty diving catch, as seen in the photo above.

- The other plus for the bats tonight came from Darin Ruf, who hit a solo home run in the ninth. The homer is the fifth for Ruf in the month of August, and his OPS is approaching .900. The young corner outfielders were the only pulse in this game.


-The Phillies take on the streaking Los Angeles Dodgers on Friday at 7:05 p.m. Cliff Lee (10-5, 3.18) goes against Zach Greinke (10-3, 3.21) in what will surely be billed as an “Ace Off.”

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  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    Loser loser
    Ramen noodle

    Watching the Mets.

    I think it is important for Phillies fans to understand what level their team is.

    I am going to lose a better record bet with a Mets fan.
    The Mets are without Wright.
    Harvey is on a pitch limit.

    They are purposely not trying to win games.

    The Phillies start an older player at the lead off spot who has a .307 on base.
    The Phillies continually sign 35 something players with injury histories to long term products.

    The mets traded away last years Cy Young winner. Throwing up a flag of not trying to win this year. Building for the future.

    The Mets and Phillies should not be close this year.

    Understand how much Brighter the Mets future is than the Phillies?

    How many more years of .307 on base percentage of a lead off man must we endure?

    Just going to think of a player good or bad and put his CAREER on base up here.

    That means for players like babe Ruth its including playing till they could no longer play.

    Bob boone .315
    Darren Daulten .357
    Ted Williams .482
    Rick Schu .310
    Ozzie Smith .337
    Mike Schmidt .380
    Von Hayes .354
    Babe Ruth .474

    Any team that would bat a guy first with a lower OBP than catcher Bob Boones career OBP cannot seriously be considered as trying to win or contend.

    Guess how many times Boone ever hit lead off or anywhere near the top of a line up?

    There is a disconnect that needs to be addressed.

    Its not 2008 anymore guys.
    I wish this team and organization would realize that.

    • Posts: 0 George

      Rollins’ OBP is immaterial, because there aren’t any other leadoff options tight now. Revere, who WAS leading off most games is on the DL.

      Also, that OBP has been generated to some degree when Rollins was NOT batting leadoff.

      I’ve read nothing but complaints from you about things that can’t be controlled right now, and NO suggestions as to just who you’d prefer in the leadoff spot. Quit bitching if you can’t offer any possible solutions.

    • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

      Yo, Andrew. Didn’t Jimmy’s wife already have a kid? Yeah, bout a year ago, in fact. So Junior should be attempting English by now. Probably calls Jimmy pop. Shall we call the little thing “up”?

      I can’t get over how close he came to popping up twice in 1 at bat last night. That would have been totally classic.

  • Posts: 0 Phillies fan from Germany

    Starters with an ERA north of 5 is what you get when you don’t have any money left after signing a closer for 50 million.

    By the way AFW, among the countless bad decision of RAJ, I don’t think extending Chase Utley is one of them. He’ll probably give your more value than he will cost and you can’t rebuild a team in Philly the way the Astros are doing it. So you need at least some good players in the upcoming years.

    • Posts: 0 Benny

      Regarding the Chase Utley deal, what everyone that likes the deal seems to forget is that Utley right now is playing at his current best, and would have brought at least a couple of decent, not great, prospects in return had he been traded at the deadline.

      In other words, Utley’s current trade value is at its likely peak, and Phillies aren’t gonna contend next year or the year after that anyways.

      So keeping Utley just prolongs the rebuilding process.

      Right now, Mets, Nationals and the Braves should have better teams than Phillies next year.

      Even Miami may be better, depending on the progress of all their current prospects.

      • Posts: 0 George

        What people also forget is that there are no suitable replacements available at second base, and that two “decent prospects” usually don’t develop into much more than platoon players or middle relief pitchers. I can’t see how trading a contributor for two second stringers who probably aren’t even ready to contribute would ever shorten the rebuild.

      • Posts: 0 Alex M.

        I agree with George on this, unless you get 3 top ten organization prospects there is no way you can even justify moving him. He is still one of the major offensive threats on this team and while I like Cesar Hernandez and think he would be a good 2B, he and Utley are two completely different players. Also the outside factor that no one looks at is the fact that Utley is the face of this franchise and he draws a lot of fans. To the fans that are not diehard and watching all the time they have to have something they tune into see, that is Chase Utley. Especially female fans, I know my girlfriends sister almost started crying when I mentioned that Utley was possibly going to be moved. With the new TV contract coming up this franchise cannot afford to have a major drop in viewership. By committing a reasonable contract to Utley they are going to keep some fans watching and going to the games.

        If this team is going to try and compete every season then trading Utley was never an option. As much as we all would like to see RAJ boost the farm system and do at least a small rebuild, it is not going to happen.

      • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

        Boy, Benny, you done did a whole lot of suppositional thinking in there.


        First, truth be told, if my back’s to the wall, I would agree that the Phils aren’t contending next year. But I learned a long time ago that absolute’s don’t get you far in baseball, or life. At the start of this year, to me, the most legitimate view of the Phils was they could contend, but they needed an awful lot to go right. It wasn’t a real odds on favored development that the season would blow up. It’s pretty much looking (well in advance, mind you) like next year will be quite similar as we project it. . Some similar holes get filled better than they were this year, and there’s a chance to be more competitive, and maybe catch a few breaks. One thing for sure. THEIR thining is that contention the approach (as evidenced by a silent deadline, and of course extending Utley). So they’re PROBABY wrong, but you have to let it develop before you get conclusively critical..

        Secondly, gimme a break. You’re telling us who’s gonna finish where (I know you did say the way it looks right now), again, before the off season develops. And falling into one of the biggest pitfalls in sports. So many knuckleheads might SEEM like they evaluate, process, and really think about their predictions, and wind up going off last year’s results, or at least offer small respect to what’s by then, the prior year’s trends. And within that is the total disregard for history that loud as day teaches us that ONE TIME, since divvy play in ’69, has the NL East repeated the prior year’s standing. Is Chris Johnson gonna lead The League in hitting again? Is Kimbrel gonna cruise through to retirement with no off year? Who’s taking Hudson’s place, or what is he in ’14. Can Gattis repeats good year and bear up if he replaces McCann? Can Frank Wren duplicate the TREMENDOUS off season he had even with BJ’s off year? By February, they might look even STRONGER than this year, but this ain’t February. But it’s especially your point about projecting the Phils ahead of the Marlins. Thinking the Marlins will be down for an extended period is really dangerous. It’s also presumptuous to think the Mets finish ahead of the Phils. Like the Phils, they need roughly 3-4 categories drastically improved, and until we see how they act in the winter, it’s presumptuous. Their starting pitching looks better, but that’s only a start.

        That said, I don’t disagree about your point about Utley. But at least the idea of keeping him is consistent with what they are TRYING to do. That it’s gonna be tough to do it is really besides the point. They’ve let some guys go, none of whom have done great elsewhere, and not that short term is not to be overlooked, but just because Shane and Pence probably make the 2013 Phils a good amount better doesn’t mean the 2015 Phils would have been. . Maybe in that regard, for a year or two, keeping Chase was smart. If Rube can make some productive acquisitions and pace young talent with exposure that nets productivity. But there’s a decent chance we look back and wish he had gotten talent while he could.

  • Posts: 0 Dave

    Yes, the fact that Rollins will be the Phillies all time hits leader next year makes me sick. People who never saw him play will say, “Wow he must have been the greatest Philly ever!” Unfortunately, we are stuck with him. Personally, I would bring up Galvis next year and tell them both, whoever is hot with the bat gets to start. If Jimmy doesn’t like it he can request a trade. There’s alot more changes to be made too. Besides the bench/role players and almost the entire bullpen, I’d get rid of Kendrick, Lannan Ruiz and Mayberry for starters.

    • Posts: 0 schmenkman

      While he has his faults (who doesn’t), few in the game have gotten as much from a 5’8″ frame.

      • Posts: 0 Dave

        No argument there. I’ve really tried to like Rollins, but his lack of hustle and refusal to improve his game and move down in the batting order, has irked me big time. He could potentially have been one of the most beloved Phillies of all time (especially in the fans eyes) if he just hustled and worked a little harder, because he really has a much more likeable personality than say an Utley or Carlton. As a result, I don’t think the fans will ever like him as much as those other guys. A .269 career average for a leadoff hitter is not good.

      • Posts: 0 Hogey's Role

        Galvis couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat… Rollins is the best option at short stop right now… he is not a leadoff hitter… he’s at best a 2 or a 6-8 hitter, he’s not the 2007 Jimmy Rollins anymore

      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Dave, you say you don’t disagree that he got a lot out of his small frame, but then you say you wish he got even more out of of it. It sounds like you just wish he played differently to match your conception of what a leadoff hitter should be. And while it’s not up to him where he bats, the Phils haven’t had hitters who fit better at leadoff than wherever they actually batted. Also, how do you know how hard he works? I don’t think it’s that easy to stay healthy for three years considering where he plays and how he runs the bases.

      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        @Schmenkman While I respect and admire your knowledge of the game and the fact my friend. It is absolutely time for Rollins to go. He’s had one of the most insignificant seasons of any premium position player I’ve ever seen in my life.
        I’ve never been a big Rollins fan for the same reason I wasn’t a Werth fan. They both pad ther season stats with a couple of outlandish streaks during the season. But the rest of the time they would flounder as if they didn’t have a clue. Jimmie’s problem this year is that he hasn’t had one or two of those streaks and he has basically been invisible on offense this year.
        I’ve also noticed he doesn’t get to some balls he used to gobble up just a short year or two ago and has been thrown out attempting steals this year more than other years, so his speed and range are diminishing. I do hear you about how he compares to others at his position .
        Also I’ve noticed with him a laid back attitude with how things are going with not only him, but the team. He should be a spark to the team. If his physical tools are diminishing he should at least be a leader. Something he’s never been. Now I don’t know why, but I’m assuming that he’s so sulky selfish about himself that he’s too busy worrying about his legacy instead of trying to boost the morale of his team mates.
        And all this I say is a shame cause with the tools he possessed he could have been so much better, a true hall of fame SS above and beyond all the others. He has never made adjustments to his game, I’ve watched him since he was a raw rookie and had the highest of hopes for him. But he still does the same dumb things at the plate he did as a rookie. The only difference now is with his skillset starting to go he has now become invisible It’s a crying shame. But don’t get me wrong he has had a good productive career, but by being dumb and selfish he could have been great.

      • Posts: 0 schmenkman

        Ryne, I agree he’s lost a step and has had a down year at the plate. I disagree strongly wih everything else, and I’ll highlight two things:

        - there is nothing wrong with being streaky. So he helps the team less than a similar but consistent player sometimes, and he helps the team more other times. In the end, it doesn’t matter, the only thing that matters is the total overall contribution.

        - this idea that some people know better how Rollins could have helped team, and that he didn’t get the most out of his talent is the height of presumption. We are talking about one of the most successful players of his size in the history of baseball

      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        @Schmenkman. On your two points Schmenk. Ok I stand corrected on the streak part. Maybe the word I should have used is consistent. No there isn’t anything wrong with being streaky, but I would rather have had him be more consistent. I think overall that would be way more productive over the season.
        As far as some people being presumptive? I’m way guilty of that my friend. And I don’t get offended for that being pointed out. That’s one of my two faults I have! (Just kidding.) And you’re right on the size thing. I don’t know why but as I read your reply I busted up cause I have a goofy sense of humor. Before I replied to you I was thinking wow are we talking about a ball player or a HOF porn star. anyway that’s just my goofiness showing. If you can’t laugh at stuff the way this team has played you’d go nuts. Sometimes I feel like I’ve seen this crappy play before. Oh wait ….I have almost my entire tenure as a Phillie fan dating back to when I first got hooked on them. guess when? Game one of the 23 game losing steak. It figures right? Have a good one Schmenk.

    • Posts: 0 George

      It’s easy to say “get rid of people,” but I bet you have no inkling of where to get replacements that are any better.

      • Posts: 0 Dave

        Most of those players are not hard to replace George. Pettibone can take Lannan’s spot and save us 3 million a year to go towards relief help. Ruiz would be hardest to replace. If we don’t make a run at McCann then I’d like to see us make a trade. Someone mentioned Saltalamacchia. He would definitely be a power upgrade, but I’m not sure about the rest. Bullpen guys are not hard to find. Every other team in baseball has solid bullpens…just not us. I wonder alot about the pitching coaches in this organization – including Dubee. Outside of Madson and Bastardo, we haven’t developed squat over the years…that’s very troubling.

      • Posts: 0 Ryne Duren

        George the way I see it you are right! But if J-Roll keeps going it won’t be long that it won’t matter if Galvis replaces him, cause Galvis defense will be superior and their offense wil be almost the same. so then who do you go with? just saying ya know.

  • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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    You have to give to get, that part is obvious. It seems the Phils aren’t willing to do that in the current environment. Maybe it’s the upcoming TV deal? Maybe they have other reasons, I don’t know, none of us know. We speculate that the GM is incapable of taking proper care of his team. That might be true, and/or there might be outside (or more likely inside, IMO) forces at work here. I have opinions too, I think his organization’s lack of willingness to embrace analytics is a huge problem, but I also think there are pressures RA Jr. faces coming from places we don’t know about.

    I side with the fans that want to see them make REASONABLE moves that may mean giving away a fan favorite or two in order to rebuild. BUT- They are no longer in a strong position to do that. An Utley trade three years ago could have been smart. The same goes with Hamels and Lee and many other fan favorites. I believe that this year, RA Jr. was offered crap for these guys and made the conscious decision that it was indeed too late. (Although he probably should have traded Michael Young, he’s not a home grown favorite.) Many are older players, or players with contracts that other organizations can’t pay. Their relative worth is simply not going to bring back any superstars.

    I’ve already weighed in on the Utley signing, it was the absolute right thing to do. But I never endorsed the Hamels or Lee signings. I thought at the time of those signings (you can look it up) that the moves made no sense in more of a hitters ballpark than the models they were following (Giants) concerning spending on pitching. I know what the ESPN park factors say, I don’t need them to know that when I stand looking from the right field corner out to center that the fence does not bow like most parks, it goes straight. It’s a left handed power hitters park. Left field isn’t much better. I just have no idea why they thought the Giants example would work here.

    As painful as this sounds, sometimes you just have to be bad for a while before you can get better. Sure the Mets are doing many of the right things, it took a disaster for that to happen, but they are doing it. They haven’t been relevant since 07. That’s six years, and thy are two years away from contending. I understand why some would want to be more in the Mets position right now than the Phils are, but not me. I believe the Marlins will win the division before the Mets ever do. They have a young core of pitchers in a pitchers park.

    It will take a while to straighten things out, but I think the are learning from their mistakes. I think it will not take as long as the Mets, because they have the resources to keep it going if they spend wisely, the Mets clearly didn’t. In the meantime I’m enjoying watching the development of the three promising young guys in the batting order right now, Brown, Ruf, and Asche, and I look forward to seeing more over the next couple years. It took a while for them to jettison D Young, Nix etc, but now having 3 out of 8 promising young guys mixed with the vets is a decent combination.

    I have to go back to work, I can’t respond to this if anyone wants me to until around 6pm.

    • Posts: 0 Alex M.

      Nice response here. I agree with you on a lot of these points, I am with you originally I was not for resigning Cole and trading him for a ton of prospects. But with the amounts that some pitchers are getting I am not upset about the deals that Hamels and Lee have. I mean Hamels will be getting around $23.5M over the next couple of seasons but in comparison to Grenike at $25M a season I would much rather have Hamels.

      I would agree that Ruben needs to start making some moves if you look at the standings we are only a game ahead of the Cubs and Brewers and half a game in front of the Giants. If we continue at this current pace it is not difficult to believe that we may have the 4th overall pick in next years draft. Honestly I think we should try to shoot for that, we need more prospects like that. In that knowledge I think that RAJ needs to look at moving Young, Ruiz, Kendrick, Pap and either Galvis or Hernandez. The key for the Phillies is that unless they can get a draft pick out of any of these players (only Michael Young might be able to get them that) they need to move them. Young has little to no value for the Phillies and getting a prospect out of him would be good. Everyone talks about that we should not move Ruiz, well look at it this way he is a FA no team is going to give up a draft pick to sign him and if you tender him a contract and he takes it your looking at a minimum of $7.5M (could be higher). He may actually have the most value to a contender, the Cards could use him as well as the Yankees and Tigers. Trade him RAJ. Kendrick is looking at a massive raise and is not worth it, move him for a prospect or two. And I think RAJ should look at moving Galvis, honestly IMO he has no value to this team. He has a ceiling of a utility infielder with some pop. A team like the Cards would love to have him as a depth piece. It is time to make some moves.

      Finally I think that the notion that we will be rebuilding at any point needs to be thrown out the window because we wont be. We are one of the top 5 baseball markets in the country and we might have a slight down year but rebuilding is not going to happen.

      • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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        Alex M.,

        Agreed, it is not the least bit difficult to believe we could have a top 5 pick the way things are going. I hope our scouting dept. has the right guys in mind. And yes you are right that the going rate for pitchers is what we paid. My thoughts were not that we paid too much, but that we should have spent the money more wisely on offense in a ballpark that allows so many balls to fly out. When you look for instance at the difference between pitchers with extremely low HR per nine averages (under .5 per game) compared to Lee and Hamels (around .8-.9) it’s remarkable how many of them pitch in parks that don’t typically give up a lot of long balls whereas Lee and Hamels do. Unfortunately Chacin is number one in that stat and he pitches in Coors, which blows my theory to hell, but the rest of them pitch in parks that aren’t typically known for Home Runs. And the fact remains that I always thought they should spend more on hitting, than pitching. Offense and a decent pitching staff with one ace won us a WS, not the four aces. We don’t play in a park next to the pacific marine layer like the Giants do.

    • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

      I have to pay to watch this.

      Beating the Mets pays for it.

      When Dummy Amaro loses to the mets I have to pay off a bet then pay to watch Rollins hit first.

      Rollins could hypothetically have a .100 or .200 OBP and nothing would stop Charlie and Ruben from hitting him first.

      Quality of play is moot. He is a fan favorite.
      He is setting records.
      Many want him to hit first.

      For me it means I have to sit and watch him hit first.

      • Posts: 5434 Lefty

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        I don’t know if you are responding to me Andrew, but I didn’t mention anything about Rollins or the batting order.

        But since you mentioned it for the thousandth time, – Who on this roster would you bat first? Last year I proposed that Chooch bat first despite the lack of speed. It looks like without the central nervous system stimulants to treat ADHD, that is no longer an option. How about you?, Show me what your lineup would be. Michael Young? Utley? Who would you bat lead off?

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    I’m a little less wired up about Doc’s comeback than his last couple efforts, so I’m inclined not to overanalyze his start today.

    But it sounds like there’s enough positives to build off, and maybe guess at some conclusions after a couple starts up here.

    I would assume he’ll feel good tomorrow, and he should be pitching for the club by month’s end.

    I’d love to go nuts again over the guy, but we’ll cross that bridge if the road leads us to it.

    89 MPH peak seems pretty good for the first start of spring. But, we’ll see where it goes. Velo’s not everything, but with it, you can diversify a little more.

    Go Doc.

  • Posts: 0 Andrew from Waldorf

    My worry is Doc pitches 4 no hitters in September in meaningless games then Dummy throws 250 million at him.

    I don’t want him.

    No matter what he does or how cheap he is.

  • Posts: 0 Ken Bland

    Ryno’s first lineup…

    1. Jimmy Rollins (S) SS

    2. Michael Young (R) 1B

    3. Chase Utley (L) 2B

    4. Domonic Brown (L) LF

    5. Darin Ruf (R) RF

    6. Cody Asche (L) 3B

    7. John Mayberry (R) CF

    8. Carlos Ruiz (R) C

    9. Cliff Lee (L) P

    as the tome of this series sure changes. Laughter seems the best remedy to have directed the club in the miserable second half that is, and let’s call a spade a spade, that’s not terribly likely to change. It’s unfair to expect drastic change from the semi stagnant lineup that is, so Ryno follows Charlie’s path for tonight.

    Suffice to say that it’s a little out of place to laughat these guys this weekend, it’s gonna be a tough series to make a statement.

    Tonight, we’ll watch 2 extremely athletic pitchers. Just from that standpoint, it’s gonna be a treat. Two really good pitchers, too. So we’ll get our monies worth no matter what.

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